FAL vs. G3
which cold war rifle is best adaptable to a modern tacticool rooty tooty?
G3 Is overall better but the FAL has 2 things over it
Bolt hold open and side charging
>>29320083
>which cold war rifle is best adaptable to a modern tacticool rooty tooty?
AK
>>29320112
>>29320148
burn that unholy abomination
>>29320083
g3's still used outside the third world and when you mallninja out your ptr people will be mildly disgusted instead of upset
>>29320112
STOP
>>29320089
In situations where there was an option to select between the two (like in Rhodesia), most soldiers picked the FAL over the G3.
>>29320302
Absolutely disgusting, at least be decent with it.
>>29320083
Which of these (or other BRs) is best if you want it to take full advantage of the fullsize rifle round's potential range/accuracy, and you want to do reloading.
As I understand it, this knocks the G3-types right out.
>>29320083
I love my PTR more than the DSA I owned, but I have to admit that the FAL is far easier to modernize and probably the more tactical rifle
Kongsberg AG3F2 looks cool but it's heavy as fuck. 5,9kg unloaded..
>>29320351
They're both pretty much equally as heavy in any practical form, with a bare-bones G3 being very slightly lighter than a bare-bones FAL.
>>29320351
>>29320364
Someone should make a somehow magically lightweight G3 with a proper BHO.
>>29320315
They didn't have a choice in the matter; it was a simple question of logistics. Rhodesia had 40,000 new R1 FALs from South Africa and 5,000 surplus Portuguese G3.
>>29320330
an ar-10
>knocks the G3-types right out
you could just get a port buffer
>>29320364
Is there a G3 that weighs less than a Para FAL?
>>29320371
Lightweight could be done by barrel re-profiling, maybe slimming down the cocking tube + furniture, and using more modern polymers might help in those parts. The UMP45 IIRC had both the slap lever and an AR-style bolt hold-open, so that's all within the realm of possibility. I'd give my left nut.
>>29320381
this one
>>29320302
Yea and they lost... FAL is the rifle of choice for a whole country that got BLACKED.
Okay, so say the G3 is a slightly better rifle. What type should someone get if that's what they wanted? Like, what's the best bang for the buck? PTR has like 3 or more lines of rifles and then there's also the pretty rare HK rifles.
>>29320315
>>29320390
Whops wrong tag..
>>29320389
Heh, that grip looks comf
>>29320392
I have a ptr91, if you go that route instantly get a metal lower and a new grip. The poly lower is ergonomic crap, the surplus h&k grips are about 100% better.
>>29320083
I was under the impression that G3 is inaccurate for a 308 rifle.
Thoughts?
>>29320407
Most of them are.
>>29320419
As in off the shelf BR's
since G3s fuck up cases, would it just be best to use tulammo in them? steel case ruins the gun is a myth right?
>>29320407
I believe its supposed to be a 3 MOA out to like 600 meters. Average is about 2.5" at 100. I guess it depends on your definition of accuracy, suitable for hunting but you arn't going to hit hole for hole on paper.
>>29320422
steel case is fine, but if you do want to reload get a port buffer
>>29320422
The chamber flutes actually relieve a lot of the problems normally associated with steel case ammo, so oddly enough, I've found steel to be even more reliable than brass, at least in my PTR.
>>29320374
It was just one example blackie. Don't ever reply to me or my family again.
>>29320422
>>29320456
Shoot mostly SP brown bear out of my ptr, never had a single problem.
>>29320425
>definition of accuracy
In a relative term.
>>29320407
G3 is the most accurate of the old NATO 7.62 battle rifles.
>>29320392
If HK91s were still eligible for importation they'd be ~$1500 rifles. Since they're usually twice that, it's better to get a $1000 PTR91 if you want a G3 clone, or a $2500 SCAR17S if you want the best current autoloading 7.62x51mm military rifle.
>>29320422
The case scoring caused by the chamber flutes are cosmetic damage; the real issue is the dent left in the case wall by the lip of the ejection port. A port buffer cushions the impact and saves about 90% of the brass from dents.
>>29320661
>port buffer cushions the impact
OK Mister GEETHREE is the BEST budEEE, what the fuck is everything, including price points, anyone should know about port buffers.
I don't want to turn a cheap PTR buy into an expensive production when I could have just gotten an AR10 and been done with fooling around.
>>29320083
>modern tacticool rooty tooty
G3. Easily.
FAL has been dropped out of service long time ago but G3 fits every gear from cold war era to modern age.
>>29320089
>G3 Is overall better
>2 things better
>better overall
Contradicting yourself is foolish
None they're both shit lol.
Pic related: The best one
>>29320083
FAL
It actually has common modern day features like BHO, easily reachable safety, left side charge that's actually reacheable, and a reload cycle that takes no more than 5 seconds
>>29320302
that fucking scope set up
0/10.
>>29321055
Handloader here: Does it mutilate the brass like the G3 does?
>all of these fags claiming the use of G3s proves it's better
>not realizing countries buy the cheapest lowest bidder guns that work
>also not realizing that no company makes the FAL anymore because they've switched to modern designs
>G3 companies are literally stuck in the past making money on fools who want cheap shit
>>29321112
>g3 companies
lel, you are really dumb.
Neither. Intermediate cartridges in 22 caliber rule the modern battlefield.
>>29320403
And what model PTR do you suggest? The GI is affordable, but starting to inch closer to the price of some of the other more "premium" models. I can't really tell the differences aside from the furniture.
I have a ptr91
> $3.00 mags
There are more practical rifles out there, but I got my ptr by trading an ar15 built from del-ton and PSA parts for it.
> I like slapping it
> I like the fact it's a brutal 308 kicking mule
> I like the fact it's just so fucking angry everything about the g3 just seems like it was made to be angry.
Charge the rifle? Slap th fucker
Clean? Oh fuck no its dirty always
Brass? No it's going to chew it like a rabid bear
Brass?? Good luck finding it, its currently in orbit about to take out a satellite
Light? No it's made to hit people with... Once
>>29320112
AK is good but to be honest desu the M16 is just better, Famicom.
>>29320278
There's nothing wrong with it, friend.
>>29320302
>clawmount top rail
Jesus, PTR literally sells a variant with a proper top-rail welded on top, he did NOT have to do that.
Also I can't say that I'm loving quad-rails when KeyMod and M-Lok is a thing.
I like how three years ago the general /k/ consensus was that the FAL was the superior battle rifle but with the proliferation of cheaper PTR91s since, a lot of people changed their tune.
>>29321112
>not realizing countries buy the cheapest lowest bidder guns that work
It was the cold war, countries bought what they had the connections for. If they didn't have the cash for superior german engineering they were given some aid to fight commies.
Also nowadays many weapons are handmedowns.
>>29321186
The fad grew tired.
>>29320351
Looks real slick honestly, but I can see some ways to cut some weight.
Get rid of that big rail-mount and just plain weld on a length of rail proper, less mass and bulk.
There's some rails out on the front, but it seems they're not being used for anything, take those off.
Seems there is a sort of KM/ML setup, but it's only being used for a foregrip, I'd replace it with a plastic handguard which is modified to attach a foregrip.
I'd also use plastic mags instead of metal mags.
I figure this could cut down some of the bulk desu.
>>29320302
The only thing you did right was put a carrying handle on there, fuckboy.
>>29321111
You can stop the G3 from raping brass casings by attaching a port buffer.
>>29321220
It's fuccboi. Fuckboy is teenager girl language.
>>29321111
I get very small dings on mine, but nothing detrimental
>>29321237
>not carying that I didn't even post a battle rifle
I don't care about your closet internet memes.
>>29320997
>what the fuck is everything, including price points, anyone should know about port buffers.
POF (the derka one) makes one for $35; the actual HK-brand ones (which are the same design) are $60 (CTree used to make one but they seem to have disappeared from the face of the internet). It's basically just a hunk of rubber held on by spring clamp.
>>29321143
The A3R from Atlantic.
Powder coat finish and wide handguards.
Plus it takes the hk bipod.
>>29321157
Underrated post
>>29321273
>HK bipod
Have any more even come around? Seriously.
>>29321163
Purists faggots hate the welded top rail. I think it's great. Claw mount is shit.
>>29321245
Be honest; how many dicks did you suck to get a 93 OD slim handguard?
>>29321246
>>29320661
Ok, ok. Not TOO bad. What about accuracte models for the money though? That CS308 abomination from Century is inaccurate as hell, and is $600-$700. Fuck That.
>>29321186
Go to /brg/ all the cross dressing weeaboo faggots still think the fal is superior.
>>29321301
I payed much more for the Hendsoldt, I can tell you that. As for the OD green? Rattlecan. Fuck paying extra money for that shit. What fucking bullshit to pay money for something that doesn't get a whole lot of wear as a range toy.
I love both, but if I could only have one it'd be the FAL
>superior ergonomics
>BHO
>left side charging handle that isn't three feet out
>mag release that you can easily reach with your trigger finger and empty mags that are dropped out due to spring pressure
>EZPZ Rock in mags with a bolt release
>more mild recoil
>adjustable gas system
>DAT PEEP SIGHT
>fun to build from parts kits
That being said, the G3 is the most accurate out of the big three Cold War NATO rifles, but that doesn't mean the FAL isn't accurate. It's plenty accurate for a combat rifle. The G3 has slightly more recoil but it's made more noticeable due to the massive bolt jerking around back and forth. It isn't bad to shoot at all but it has a wonky feel that is unlike any other rifle.
tl;dr buy both
>>29320083
PTR91 because it makes my dick diamonds and the FAL does nothing for me.
I really want a SCAR but I can get the PTR91 and an ACOG for less than the price of the 17 alone.
>>29321273
Any differences in the construction of the barrel or other internals? From what I understood they all have great barrels? I've also heard that PTR went down the shitter a bit in the last year, but it could have been a rumor.
>>29320083
I'm retarded. The two are related somehow, right? How, exactly?
>>29321324
The bolt hold open is probably the most important part, imo
that's my primary complaint with the G3.
>>29321292
The one pictured was bought for $180 two weeks ago on numrich gun parts
>>29321245
>HK33 clone
>Battle rifle
There someone said it
>>29320302
>claw mount w/ collapsible stock
That's all kinds of fucked up.
>>29321308
>C308
>ever
>>29321330
Aside from being chambered in 7.62x51mm and both being used by Kenya, they have nothing in common. Very different operating systems and design histories.
>>29321327
No with the exception of the powder coating.
Atlantic does have a heavy barrel model that has a different barrel and aluminium handguard but everything else is the same.
>>29321337
I bet it's fucking sold out too.
FUCK
>>29321341
Eh? I know that HK33' and it's clones are not battle rifles.
>>29320390
>FAL is the rifle of choice for a whole country that got BLACKED.
OH SHI--
>>29321327
The PTR-GI model has a pencil-profile barrel like the original G3 and HK91; the PTR-91F has a heavier bull barrel.
>>29321356
Nope they still have em.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/1477990.htm
>>29321355
Okay thanks.
>>29320089
Both are side charging
>>29321324
Literally most of the things you listed are subjective or already available on a G3.
>>29321365
Is there any big difference in barrel life or is it mostly cosmetic/for a slight accuracy increase? You know how people get all flustered over barrels in the AK and AR world, I was just wondering if the same shit happened in the G3 world. I'd like something with a good barrel, but it doesn't have to be "the best".
>>29320351
Is it 5,9 with optic and vertical grip or without?
>>29321380
G3 is fucking front charging pulled three feet back nigga, it just so happens to be on the left side
>>29321157
PTR does not kick luke a mule you fucking manlet, the recoil is not bad at all
>>29321346
>they have nothing in common
Huh.. This whole time I thought one was a derivative of the other or something.
>>29321382
>BHO
>Easily reached charging handle
>easily reached and easily ejected mags made easy to charge the rifle due to a bolt release
>adjustable gas system
>easily and affordably built from parts kits
>able to do on a G3
I prefer the G3 anon but come on
>>29321382
except a BHO, a charging handle that isn't retarded, an easily released magazine with the right hand, a magazine that actually drops out, a magazine that's easy to put in and doesn't have a fairly undersized magwell, and less recoil.
Idiot
>>29321440
They are rivals. Kinda like AK vs M16 of the battle rifles.
>>29321421
Exactly... Yet everyone bitches that it has the recoil of 1000 Suns compared to the fal or m14
>>29321295
Why? The clawmount sucks, it's an inelegant solution to a problem we can solve much better today.
There's no reason to get one outside of a retro build
>>29321421
it's a lot more than an FAL or other comparable 308
>>29321497
>308
>Recoil
Anon, i.....
>>29321510
it's a lot more than a 5.56 m8
>>29321330
They aren't.
FAL:
>short stroke gas piston operation with a rotating bolt
>rock-in magwell
>milled receiver
G3
>roller-delayed blowback
>stamped receiver
>straight magwell
>>29321533
>>short stroke gas piston operation with a rotating bolt
>>29321523
>5.56
>recoil
i dont have an adequate response to this
>>29321533
>G-3
>not rock-in magwell
>>29321555
>>29321523
>I'm a tough guy who only thinks recoil matters if it hurts
I see you never take quick follow up shots, bench boy
>>29321533
>>29321551
>straight magwell
I think he is just making shit up. That term doesn't even make sense, as well as being wrong.
>>29321565
you don't really need to rock G3s in either
I used to own one and it did need a little bit, but it was basically straight in
>>29321533
G3 mags rock in...
>>29321186
/k/ has always been full weak-minded trendies.
>>29321421
>>29321510
>>29321555
>yo guise ima tough gui yo man lololo fags puccibois feelin rekoil kek
God.
>>29321563
>Bench Boy
but the bench makes your heavy recoiling guns more painful to shoot, you moron. Confirmed for never shooting anything than .223 Peashooter.
>>29321295
>>29321487
Why though? I don't own either one, so I'm curious.
>>29321618
My ptr doesn't have a rail. The CLAW is my only option
>>29321641
No, I mean why does the claw suck? I know why you'd use one.
>>29320083
When I think of the FAL, I think of hot men in short shorts.
When I think of the G3, I think of a fat neckbeard and Miller lite
So I'm going to choose FAL every time
>>29321618
It sits really fucking tall and it weighs more. Also they're pricy and hard to find IIRC
It's almost like attaching a carry handle to a flat top AR for the express purpose of putting an optic on top of that.
>>29321641
You could have bought a railed one.
>>29321667
>>29321442
It's clear that you don't understand the meaning of word "subjective."
>>29321533
You can rock in the mag on a G3. In fact, it's actually easier if you do.
>>29321671
So, are all of the low-pro ones really expensive or something?
>>29321667
When I think of the FAL, domestic terrorists shooting up churches
When I think of the G3, I think of a guy look for a good .308 semi-auto that's affordable to own.
So I'm going to choose G3 every time
>>29321694
the addition of a BHO is an objective assessment
closer is an objective assessment
the magazine release is objectively easier to actuate with your trigger finger instead of twisting to reach or using your thumb on a paddle
it is objectively easier to build an FAL
>>29321667
Not fat not neckbeard but DONT hate on Miller
>>29321671
Didn't buy it traded a mix matched cheap ar15 for it
>>29321685
jeez. sakuya looks pretty underwhelming when out of costume
The CLAW mount is perfect for the original military surplus scopes. However, these are now almost impossible to find.
The CLAW mount with original scope was ideal for it's zero retention and 4 power scope with BDC, as well as being able to aim through the original sights in a channel on the scope mount, giving you the ability to use your sights still, as well as detach the scope in about half a second if you want.
>>29321715
A welded rail is really the best solution for a low-profile mount, but there are varying degrees of quality of G3 scope mounts. I couldn't say for sure what works and what doesnt, but i think B&T makes one in the high 100 dollar range, down to chinese clones at the 15 dollar range.
>>29320083
FAL but seriously just get a scar
>>29321685
yep...that's about what you'd expect from a FAL owner that spends too much time on /k/.
>>29321738
Mich Golden is better
So much so that Minnesota switched as a hole
>>29321685
I meant actual Rhodesian men with FALs, not shitty images of Canadins with L1A1s that G3fags keep.
>>29321751
MNfag here. Both beers are shit. You should be drinking grain belt
>>29321765
>grain belt
Okay, bald creepy uncle
>>29321728
Who shot up churches with a FAL? I think you're losing it anon. Why not just submit to the short shorts?
>>29321734
>the magazine release is objectively easier to actuate with your trigger finger instead of twisting to reach or using your thumb on a paddle
Says you.
The charging handle and the building being "easier" is by term of reference a subjective statement.
>>29320083
FAL
G3 is a second choice, or a budget choice.
>>29321770
Idk what you mean. When it comes to grain belt, I think of college kids.
>>29321728
>I think of a guy look for a good
wat
>>29321614
Has nothing to do with being tough, it has to do with not being a bitch. It doesnt kick like a mule now stop being a fgt
>>29321557
Can we get these stocks, and what are they called?
>>29321777
a wrench and vice is objectively easier than a bending jig, welder, and grinder
try again
>>29321792
The 300$ stock because HK hates you
>>29321787
grain belt is a college beer now because it's cheap
everyone used to drink it, same with PBR
>>29321810
Yeah. So I have no idea where the creepy uncle thing came from. Maybe anon just has a past
>>29321800
Uhh, but wouldn't you need to machine a fucking milled receiver somehow? That's way fucking harder than bending a flat.
>>29321036
Nice b8 m8
>>29321817
because it's college kids and creepy uncles who drink it
>>29321820
The receivers come machined from DSA/Coonan/imbel.
Or are you talking about building them on an industrial scale?
>>29321820
>Uhh, but wouldn't you need to machine a fucking milled receiver somehow?
Not when I can buy one pre-made, nerd
>>29321849
>>29321846
>you can't buy G3 stripped recievers
>only flats
okay
>>29321864
you still have to weld them together, faggot
AND you have to install the barrel
>>29321667
The fuck is wrong with Miller lite?
The fuck is wrong with YOU?
>>29321912
>pisswater
>>29321912
Have you tasted miller lite?
>>29321112
Heckler and Koch sold production licenses to whoever wanted it. Germany, Turkey, Norway, Iran, Pakistan, South Africa, Myanmar, all produced rifles which helped keep the cost low.
>>29321790
Not a ptr.
Shitty federal arms clone.
>>29321899
>complain that one rifle needs a bending jig because you HAVE to use an 80 percent lower
>Say the other rifle is better because you expect to buy a pre-machined lower
You're a retarded faggot. Go fuck yourself.
>>29321942
Who cares about the lower? Its just a trigger housing.
>>29320083
>Doing this bullshit again.
Go fuck yourself. This is no better than the moronic AK vs AR question.
>>29321950
i dont know anything about FAL's. I just know that anon is being retarded.
>>29320083
>FAL vs. G3
Only one way to decide it;
which rifle
>in its ideal setup
is better for melee
>bayonets and buttstrokes
The Green Grass must Grow.
>>29321985
Both are pretty good.
>>29322009
>wood furniture
>bayonet
Having shot both, I like the FAL more. Less recoil, better charging handle, more comfortable to me. That being said, PTR 91's are cheaper right now and it's a pretty great gun regardless.
but the fal's barrel length attracts me.
>>29322065
>>29322107
>>29321942
>implying you can just drop a PTR barrel into a receiver
tell me anon, do you even know how the barrels are put on?
>>29320389
Wow, that should definitely not happen.
Hey, does anyone know of some good magazine pouches for the G3 besides the German Flecktarn? Looking for something that I can use with MOLLE gear. kida looking for double mag pouches.
![rX53OcX[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/I8IrR7R.jpg "rX53OcX[2].jpg")
>>29320389
Other than the original optics, what's so bad about this? You could get it railed and glassed and it'd be good to go. PTRs are cheap as fuck and who cares if someone chops one up.
I really want there to be more bullpup battle rifles, they're in need of compacting more than other rifles.
>>29322221
What do you think of the contoured polymer lower compared to the straight-grip polymer?
>>29322277
It's just photoshop.
>>29322284
I kinda favor the straight grip ploy over the contoured for everyday use. the contoured is nice for stationary shooting, though.
>>29320390
Yeah, but that was because of sanctions, not losing battles.
>>29322255
tacos
>>29322344
Tacos? Could you elaborate, please?
>>29322378
lurk more gear queer threads, newguy
>>29322284
the straight grip is literal ass. it single handedly ruins the feel of the rifle. i dont know why the fuck they even made it in the first place.
of course it has the same grip profile as the standard SEF polymer grip on this SEF polymer lower.
>>29322426
It's not like it has an Ambi selector or anything either. Plus, the G3 grip is fine for lefties, probably still way better than the ambi navy abortion lowers.
>>29322405
just for the sake of it, can you explain here? I'm tired of getting ignored in those threads.
>>29321245
How are the $60 mags for that piece of shit?
>>29322255
Esstac 762 kywi short pouches.
Come in your favorite faggot tactical colors.
>>29322882
They work.
Don't buy promags, I guess. Kind of wish the market wasn't stupid expensive, but whatever, I have five now. Never going to buy any more.
>>29322692
>can you spoon feed me
Fuck you. Go to skdtac and fucking look up what you want to buy.
>>29322924
way to be perpetuate the stereotypical asshole gun owner, dickhead.
For a millitary, the G3.
For every /k/unt's SHTF, BOB, wet dream, stalker scenario, the FAL.
>>29323046
>the readily available information I want is not being handed to me
>stop locking me out of the hobby I want to be a part of
Kill yourself to make room for a transgenered red fox in your college's safe space.
>>29321791
Doesn't mean there isn't recoil fgt.
>>29321555
physics would argue that 5.56 has recoil.
>>29323321
>physicals
kek
I'm looking to get a 16" bull barrel PTR here in the next month or so, will the skinny hand guards fit the bull barrels? Either wood or polymer.
>>29323342
Also, I looked but maybe I just missed it, do they make a 16" bull with a welded rail?
>>29320112
>AK
But im not a poorfag nor an illiterate peasant
>>29323342
>will the skinny hand guards fit the bull barrels? Either wood or polymer.
Wood yes; polymer usually not without modification.
>>29323352
http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%2091%20KFM4R?id=5
>>29321667
So your argument is literally "muh feels"
>>29321315
I'm a crossdressing weaboo faggot and I prefer the G3 so it's really just Sakyua with his hideous glossy "rhodie" paint job
Fondeling my superior FAL as we speak
The G3 is complicated and cumbersome (if you disagree, you've obviously never had to use and maintain one on the field).
Never handled an FAL, but I can't imagine it being worse than Vorgrimler's unwieldy musket.
t. Estonian
>>29323383
> that stock...
Looks like that's the one I want tho, good thing the stock and hand guard are easily changeable.
Thanks so much anon!
>>29321396
Barrel alone isn't going to make too much of a difference in accurizing a G3. Reinforcing the reciever to reduce flex, free floating the cocking tube a la PSG-1, and other things like that are your best bet. These are mass produced conscript rifles, they'll hit a man sized target at 300 meters but you won't have too much control over where on that target it hits.
>>29321330
Aside from being the two main nato rifles at the time that shoot 7.62x51, there's not a whole lot in similar.
>>29323383
You're going to have to modify the skinny hand guard anyways if you don't want to burn your hands. they retain heat like a MF.
>>29323424
maintenance in the field is push a lever, tilt open, pull out bolt
That's it
>>29323441
all PTRs are fully free floated
the most important time is a better lockup
G3s have a tendency to be fucking awful
>>29323389
Not everyone can handle a real man I guess.
>>29323462
Fewer G3s were fielded by NATO troops than M14s, kind of hard to call it "the two main" when it was, and is, third place.
>>29320083
FALs fill that role pretty well
>>29323046
Do you know where you are /k/unt?
This isn't a fucking safespace.
>>29323474
I love how easy it is to field strip a FAL. If anybody knows that pic of the guy popping the mag out of a SCAR with his face lit up saying "it ejects!", that's basically how I feel about taking the bolt assembly out.
>>29323499
Considering the M14 was only general issue for about 5 years before it got dropped, it's pretty easy to keep it in third place.
AR-10
I have a PTR and a FAL and prefer the PTR.
>>29323547
The FAL is very nice but reliability seems to go to the PTR. On a particularly dusty day last year the FAL started to have failures. My PTR has never once failed unless you count a bad primer from my reloading.
Claw mount super strong
>>29323671
Here's a better picture.
Greek milsurp bipods when?
>>29323671
>>29323685
That guy in the background has such dick sucking lips.
>>29321111
As long as you understand the rifle, no. You can turn the gas system up and beat the fuck out of things or you can keep it tuned an get .22lr-.223 level recoil and magnificent brass.
I keep my gas knob one setting stronger than the minimum setting that cycles. It's like .45acp in a rifle. There's a lot of moving mass but it's nice to shoot.
>>29321226
>You can stop the G3 from raping brass casings by attaching a port buffer.
Ok but there's nothing you can do to stop the rollers from raping your trunion. Also you can't buttstroke some one with your sheet metal receiver since its not put together loose like an AK. You can lean on them wrong and torque the receiver which makes them stop cycling.
Game. Set. Match. FAL wins. Flawless victory.
>>29323845
>you can't buttstroke some one with your sheet metal receiver since its not put together loose like an AK
This has literally nothing to do with being able to punch someone's teeth in with the buttstock. Go fuck yourself for trying to sew discontent and fracturing among gun owners.
how do i buy an fal? what do i look for?
I don't want to be a noob at the gun store
>>29321360
>>FAL is the rifle of choice for a whole country that got BLACKED.
>OH SHI--
You realize that nignogs are individually fast but unorganized and slow as a group. They were just closer to Rhodesia than Germany but now they've gotten to Europe and are blacking most of it now.
>>29323845
sounds like you're reaching for reasons there, paco. can't say I've ever seen rollers fuck up a trunion without something else being wrong with the rifle. you can buttstroke some just fine with them. I mean if you can do it with a plastic stock M4, you can do it with a g3. and you really have to "lean" on the receiver to get it to fuck up. everything you listed is on the far end of the spectrum. meaning, you kinda have to go out of your way to fuck it up. even dindus in africa are still using G3 rifles from them 60's and have never cleaned them. and they still work.
THAT BEING SAID.........I do like the FAL better. egro's just flow smoother and the recoil is a little bit better. plus there is the added benefit of adjustable gas settings so you can use a suppressor with killing the gun(The G3 has a reduced service life with prolonged use with a suppressor).
>>29321440
>Huh.. This whole time I thought one was a derivative of the other or something.
U wot m8?
One is milled, gas operated, desihned by Belgians. The other is a welded sheet metal, roller delayed blowback, designed by Nazis hiding Spain after WWII.
>played the Division
Want a G3(or even PTR) so bad now...
>>29321533
>with a rotating bolt
Wat wat in the block?
>>29323904
if it's a century arms, it's a crap shoot. the newer ones are better and have less issues. DSA is pretty much the one to look for. For CAI, you'll literally have to shoot it to find out if it's any good. Mine was from 2012, functioned flawlessly. only problem I had was the flash hider wasn't properly secured from the factory so it came off the first time I shot it. I reinstalled it with Loctite and never had a issue again. ate everything I fed it. steel or brass cased. didn't matter.
>>29324030
neither have a rotating bolt.
FAL: tilt locking bolt with a short stroke gas piston.
G3: uses rollers to lock the bolt in place and and a combination of chamber pressure and recoil to unlock the bolt.
BTW, Supposedly putting too much of a muzzle compensator on a G3 can mess with the cycling. supposedly.
>>29324026
Wait, is there a G3 in the division? The closest I've found was an MP5.
>>29323499
Are you conting only Germany?
It was also used by Norway, Denmark, Greece, Turkey, Portgual. Probably some more i forgot about.
>>29324093
I gotta ask, is the division any good? I thought just the beta was out right now?
P.S. does anyone know if EA is coming out with another battlefield came this year? I haven't seen any news on their fall flagship. If they even posted anything.
>1995+21
>not using Shiherlis brogrip to lug your raifu around
Do you even operate?
>>29321662
>No, I mean why does the claw suck?
There are two types. Original German throw lever and B&T style screw mount.
The German style go one great when new but if the receiver flexes they can fall off. The more they go on and off the rifle the more beat up the little nubbins it gains purchase upon get. If you drop it it can damage the receiver and make the rifle stop cycling. They can straight up fall off during recoil like my HK branded one did. They're also high and hard to sight with like 2"-2.5" height over bore.
The screw on kind go on easier and tend to grab better but they're always on the verge of squeezing the receiver to the point of not cycling.
Buy a welded on rail and shoot it until you wear the rollers out and sell the rifle. You can replace the rollers but it won't shoot the same. You have to weld in a new trunion to fix it. The G3 is a disposable rifle. Treat it as such.
>>29324114
mexico, and a couple of south american countries. that's were PTR got their equipment from, lol.
>>29324093
No, which is why I want one.
>>29324116
I've really enjoyed it.
>>29324135
Yeah I was disappointed too.
>>29324135
What gun is that? That don't look like no G3 for one it has wood hand guards.
>>29324125
wisest info I've ever heard. I've been saying this for years ever since I got my first HK rifle. Kinda interesting though with the rollers. how does it not shoot the same if I may ask?
>>29324132
>hurr durr
They actually got the rolling from the HK licensed factory in Portugal if I remember right.
>>29324146
It's an FAL. There are wood handguards for the G3 though.
>>29323656
Norwegian or Icelandic rifleman?
>>29324171
I was thinking it was Argentina for some reason. I just remember the literal shit storm that came about when H&K found out.
>>29324171
>rolling
Should be tooling.
>>29324125
I was under the impression that replacing the rollers was a fairly simple and normal thing to do when needed. Does it really create an issue?
>>29321292 yes. amounts.
>>29324203
according to HK, the locking piece is supposed to be changed first. It's made out of a weaker metal than the rollers. it's also 10x more expensive than just changing the rollers. if the locking piece does not fix the issues rollers can be substituted as a band aid until headspacing can be fixed. usually with a new trunion installed.
it does take a shit load of rounds to do this though.
>>29324274
Interesting, I really need to look through the old HK manuals I got from the Ar/k/.
>>29324116
There are rumors of it being WW1. Modern times 4th time in the row would be extremely dull.
You can still always try comfy Battlefield 2 with G3, it hasn't aged a bit and it's free with golden gameplay.
>>29324317
is that the bullet tip pointing out of the barrel?
