>In a stark assessment, the US Air Force chief-of-staff warned that China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will be poised to overtake the US Air Force by 2030.
>“At the rate they’re building, the models they’re fielding, by 2030 they will have fielded—they will have made up that 2,000 aircraft gap and they will be at least as big—if not bigger—than our air forces," Welsh told the subcommittee.
We are not keeping up with that kind of technology development
US confirmed for cucked out of aerospace by not 2050, but 2030!.
http://read.bi/1R6Xz8W
>inb4, it's j-just journalism!
It was said by this man, Mark Welsh. A USAF fighting man serving since 1976. What have you done with your life?
>>29309728
>implying China isn't anything but a paper Dragon
He is only talking about numbers.
>chinese blue water navy stronger than US 2050
Also manmade islands
>>29309728
Note the wording OP.
>will be poised to overtake the US Air Force by 2030.
>poised
As in, be in a state that they *can*, but not necessarily will.
and get ready for the butthurt amerifat shitposting
>>29309728
I'm not sure how to react to this. Do I move to China now? Write someone a check? Do I open fire and call you a faggot?
Propaganda just seems like international banter at this point.
>>29309763
what did you originally think propaganda was? a mechanism to collect bonds?
Military goys wanting bigger budgets. What else is new.
>>29309728
>cucked
opinion disregarded
>>29309728
If only we could stop getting cucked by lockheed martin.
>>29309758
Holy shit, we need to stop these fuckers. They are trying to take over the world
>>29309766
It's supposed to encourage a mindset in a given group. I'm not sure how it worked in the older days, maybe people were different. Like Tokyo Rose saying how you should stop fighting because your wife is cheating on you and your leaders are idiots. Most GIs would say there's a possibility of the former and probably agree with the latter. But those Japs needed some vengeance for Pearl and nothing was going to stop that.
During Desert Storm Saddam dropped leaflets depicting Coalition troops as Looney Tunes-esque doofs that should beware of Iraq's army. Did they start surrendering to the republican guard? No, it just pissed them off more during the ground war.
So seeing some asshat declaring America's death on the web is pointless until they can make shit go south fast.
>>29309801
>we need to stop these fuckers
>>29309801
It's called expansion. All fledgling nations do it.
The SEA countries can bitch and whine all they want but China will always have the biggest stick in the SCS.
>>29309815
Chinese vatniks are furious that their govt is just being "extra super deeply concerned" and actually does nothing. lol
>growing rarger
>>29309821
>It's called expansion. All fledgling nations do it.
>>29309728
It's budget season dipshit.
So far the Navy, Army, Air Force, and Commandant of the Marine Corps have all released statements about how their particular units and programs NEED that extra funding. They NEED it OR THE GOMMIES WIN!
They do this shit every single year right before the fiscal year starts in a bid to sway congressmen to earmark more funds for their particular branch or programs in the budget.
They've been doing this since 1789 when Congress was asked whether we needed to buy actual uniforms for the Army or build boats to have a Navy.
We're a Republic, a pretty open one at that, it is up to the civilian leadership of our country to allocate funding for our military programs.
>>29309821
Difference being that SEA countries can essentially bottle up the Chinese navy with land based systems if they get too butthurt. Actually that's exactly what they are doing.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-military-china-exclusive-idUSKBN0U107220151218
>>29309728
In less than 50 years whites will be the minority in the US. And the biggest portion of the budget will go towards wellfare. So probably true.
>>29309825
>"extra super deeply concerned" and actually does nothing
B...but china can deploy ships
>>29309869
What the fuck? /k/ told me China could never reach the US
>>29309728
Unless they can surpass the US and the rest of Oceania it doesn't matter.
>>29309728
>more planes=better airforce
>potential threats are never exaggerated for budget purposes
>>29309858
Mate, we're on /k/, not /pol/, think you've gone to the wrong board.
>>29309728
>"if you gibs me moneys I can stop dragons"
oh look another aerospace shill saying they need more funding or else china will steal all our women
lel they're trying to create another lensman arms race
remember muh bomber gap with the soviet guys?
>>29310054
They can have our women, they need some discipline.
>>29309835
That strategy worked so well for the Japanese.
>>29310037
Why are kikes like you hell bent on hiding truth?
>>29309728
>OH NO CHINA COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD MORE AIRCRAFT BY "SOONER" THAN WE THOUGHT
>You dont want the commies to WIN do you?
>The A10 is the ONLY SUPER DUPER BESTEST CAS platform we have
>Please ignore the fact that it's ancient and only getting worse
>Gotta get mo money fo dem programs
>Oh Russia is super scary too guys
>They could potentially have a gen 4 fighter in production in 20 years
>Gibe shekels nao
Its budget season moron. The military has been over-exaggerating threats to get fear-shekels since the goddamn cold war. Im amazed that he was able to say all that with a straight face, then again thats his job.
All this thread of people not realizing this is the armed forces going "guys look over there! He has a twig! That's nearly a stick! We all need new baseball bats to counter this"
>>29309728
Meh.
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs could be shitting in a solid gold toilet encrusted with diamonds with a unicorn skin padded seat and the top brass would STILL be poormouthing about how they didn't have enough money.
They did this shit all throught the Cold War and are desperately trying to prop China up as the next big bogey man to justify spending more on defense the the next five nations combined.
And the irony is fiddy cent China shill posters buy into it and get all excited about it.
>>29309875
Something something can see Russia from my house something.
>>29309728
>not realizing this is how branches get appropriated money
fucking moron.
>>29309728
A reminder that India will become a superpower by 2030
>>29309728
>Air Force trying to justify more spending
Get fucked
>>29309728
Impressive
Although the estimate is widely known to be off. Internet experts have concluded that by 2020 China will have surpassed America in 5th Gen stealth airplanes.
..Most of the PLAAF is literally MiG-21s.
>>29310278
HAHAHA! HOLY SHIT!
HAHAHAH!
Regional outmatching will happen sooner than 2030.
>>29309875
>>29309869
Samefag pls
>>29310303
>..Most of the PLAAF is literally MiG-21s.
>PLAAF has zero MiG-21
Never change /k/
>>29309842
That's not what the article says.
>>29309835
>using a convention which the USA isn't even part of it
>>29310360
>J-7s aren't MiG-21s like how J-11s aren't Su-27s
>>29310360
>incoming muh J-7
Of whom not even 100 are in reserve anymore.
>>29310448
Source? Wikipedia may be a shit source, but it argues that there are ~700 of them
>>29310461
Looking at Wikipedia.
It claims that 320 J-7 aircraft were in service in 2012.
>Amazingly, the J-7G Fishbed, the latest derivative of the MiG-21, remains in production, with as many as 96 were in PLAAF service by the end of 2010.
2030
>China takes Asia
2040
>China takes East and West Africa
2050
>China takes South America
2060
>China doesn't need to take the USA because they'll already have imploded from the fedres collapsing
It's happening boyz
>>29310120
Why can't loonies like you stick to your containment board?
>>29309858
whites are a minority today
and welfare is like 80% of the budget
free schooling & free healthcare is still welfare
>>29309728
Basically the USAF is saying "GIVE US MORE MONEY BECAUSE!"
>>29311026
I can't get enough of those excuses.
>>29310853
>whites are a minority today
In some places.
>and welfare is like 80% of the budget
[citation needed]
>free schooling and free healthcare is still welfare
Doesn't make it not a good idea.
Love how scared american in this thread have become.
You know how every times a russia thread is posted on /k/ american posters always laugh at how shit russian's latest toy is? The same thing happens on China's military forums, but to us' gears. Soon they will have hundreds webm of american tank turret flying to laugh at.
>>29310076
>>29310076
They don't need more discipline, we just need to do 'em like the chinese do.
>>29311138
Fascinating.
>>29311090
>In some places.
no in the overall population
Average white age is 45
Average non-white age is low 30's
>[citation needed]
google a breakdown of the budget
Free handouts are all welfare, regardless of what its called
>Doesn't make it not a good idea.
Thats debatable
Turning your government into a kleptocracy is never a good thing.
>>29311797
/pol/ please
>>29309744
Dubs don't lie
Maybe, just maybe, if the U.S. could keep its fucking classified information out of the hands of fucking chinks this might not have happened.
2030?
When will China overtake Europe in military power?
>>29310278
take the poo to the loo
DESIGNATED
>>29309728
'Told the house appropriations committee'
Why not just rename the article 'Gib monies plz'
>>29311797
>told that whites aren't a minority
>comes back with some shit about ages
That wasn't an answer. White people are the majority in the US.
>makes spurious budgetry claim
>asked for [citation]
>replies with 'google it'
So I'm just going to go ahead and assume that you made that '80%' figure up then.
>kleptocracy
It isn't.
When has a military officer ever said "we're totally fine, you can cut our budget it's okay"
Of course (insert here) is going to overtake us in (certain time frame) unless you gibbe monie plox
>>29311906
The amount of classified information that China has been able to obtain has been greatly exaggerated.
And real life isn't like a game where stealing a blueprint means you can build something.
>>29311982
OP is both new at this and unable to recognize the obvious.
>>29309758
They're called atolls retard.
>>29312006
>The amount of classified information that China has been able to obtain has been greatly exaggerated.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/nsa-report-shows-china-hacked-600-us-targets-over-5-years/
>And real life isn't like a game where stealing a blueprint means you can build something.
I'll give you 3 guess as to where a vast majority of counterfeit products are produce.
>>29312067
china counterfeits products because these dumb companies set up their production in china
You notice their knockoffs general suck balls?
>>29312067
>arstechnica
Making counterfeits of things already produced in China is not exactly comparable to producing something like modern aircraft engines.
I am chink as fuck but even I can see this is the USAF saying:
>GIB MOAR MONIES PLOX
>>29309858
>>29309728
Is 2030 like a magical year for BRIC nations or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM
>>29312155
It rustles your jimmies that America has, at minimum, ~90 million more white people than any other nation.
>>29309821
I'll agree with this anon that the mongoloid races give no fucks about whats "right" and "fair".
Any country there with a bigger military will try to bully the small, weaker ones.
pic related, this is what they actually believe
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31478-china-s-communist-capitalist-ecological-apocalypse
This is a pretty good article about everything that is wrong in Communist China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6X2uwlQGQM
>>29309803
Meanwhile our propaganda worked great in the invasion of Iraq. Leaflets made so many people turn against the insurgents.
>>29310508
>China takes Asia
>India carries out a first and final strike on China before losing conventionally, both countries ruined
>Pakistan becomes Asian Hegemon
>>29311138
American here. Former military. But I am giving. I am kind. I want you to feel good.
Go jack off violently to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHMPvKI0u6Q
read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack-in-the-box_effect
>>29310175
Okay burger, the agreed upon shekels have been deposited into your account.
Keep up the good work
>>29312215
>90 million
>not 90 quadrillion.
Sigh...I want my Anglo-Aryan American Galactic Republic.
>>29311692
Put them in bags and throw them into a river? But then our descendants will be doomed to the gay, just like most of China's men are now.
>>29309728
Quanity=/=Quality
If just having more airframes is an indicator of strength, we'd be cranking out a bunch of shitty COIN aircraft like modernized Mustangs and Super-Tucanos.
Having a bunch of aircraft in the sky is pointless if they're all gonna get shot down by the F-22 the moment they attempt to do their jobs.
>>29313338
>Anything
>Being shot down by the F-"NOIRST"-22
>>29313338
>Having a bunch of aircraft in the sky is pointless if they're all gonna get shot down by the F-22 the moment they attempt to do their jobs.
Good thing they've got J-20's then huh? ;^)
>>29309821
This can be solved you know. America merely needs to say "Japan, you can have military again" and the IJN will poof back into existence faster than the 3 years it was destroyed.
>>29309839
It's always budget season.
>>29313338
You can even have a 100% kill rate and you would be outmatched around China.
And we all know that 100% doesn't gonna happen, so dealing with the Chinese air force is quite the fucked up thing right now which only gets worse.
>>29312322
I feel bad for India reaching the demographical sweet spot when automation will do all the work in 20 years.
>>29309728
there are only two scenarios:
1)PLAAF >USAF by 2030
2)USAF wants more funds, but US $18trillion in the hole
lose-lose desu
The problem with American doctrine is that they don't even "need" more aircraft than China but also more aircraft than Russia and there are also a bunch of ME states which the Israeli and Saudi-Arabian overlords don't like and we also need more aircraft than those nations.
>>29313449
FUCK NO.
Gib us nukes then.
>>29312254
Thats a big article.
>>29313449
>>29313779
Why aren't SK and Japan armed to the fucking teeth? What the hell kind of shit-show is going on in the Pacific?
>>29313870
For their size they are very heavily armed.
>>29309728
China will have bigger problems by that time.
Economic growth is also shrinking.
>>29313544
What the fuck is a "kill rate", anon?
Are you referring to missile Pk in 12 year old terms?
>>29313814
For you
>>29309728
Nobody in the USAF could possibly tell lies to make the case for more funding
>>29313449
Lol
This is the nation that hasn't developed an indigenous fighter since WW2
>>29315565
Setting aside that the F-2, which has little commonality with the F-16, was pursued to rebuild Japan's aviation industry.
>>29316091
Which lead to this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkDsDVnjdd4
>>29309728
>In a stark assessment, the US Air Force chief-of-staff begged congress for more funding
>>29316091
>which has little commonality with the F-16
Anon, come the fuck on now.
It was also still heavily produced in the USA. Something approaching half of it.
>>29316125
>that solo wing pixie paintjob
>>29316125
that thing is kawaii as fuck
>>29316125
that has some good acceleration
that said, Japan needs to do away with its Article 9 and move onto building a navy that can tell China to fuck off.
>>29316125
That is the product of the Japs desperately still wanting the F-22, so LM gave them an inch and helped make their own home grown version.
>>29316890
China already has more surface combatants than the USA, what makes you think Japan will be able to touch them?
>>29311755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVLswMQct2Y
>>29316907
Because they have a massive country that can funnel a lot of money into defense spending.
>>29309834
We bear gifts.
>>29316159
this
What he said about the pla's air power over taking the US' might be true but he is obviously just saying it to scare congress for more money.
Also does his assessment take into account what ever aircraft the US might build by 2030?
>>29316907
>China already has more surface combatants than the USA
A most of which are small missile boats.
>>29310112
Except Japan didnt have nukes at the time.
>>29317224
>most of which are guided missile frigates
ftfy
Looking forward to it desu
>>29309757
Numbers matter.
>>29317224
Distributed lethality is China's game senpai
>>29317756
I don't see any Chinese CSG's to make that an accurate analogy kohai.
I get the feeling that China won't need to use nukes in WW3 because they can just human waves and the US would be hard-pressed to have enough conventional munitions to take out their armies.
>>29309739
>It was said by this man, Mark Welsh, so that more money would be allocated to his department.
>>29317660
>1000-2000 ton
>guided missile frigate
ayy lmao
>>29312248
If you're going to post memes, at least post the original one. No one, not even the pinoys, think that their nation is a military force to contend with.
>>29312322
>Pakistan becomes Asian Hegemon
>Implying they stand a chance against the Juche-Hwan Empire
>>29309728
So why would China having more aircraft be a threat? The tech gap would still remain out of their grasp.
>>29309728
>In a stark assessment
Goddamn it Tony...
Reminder, China only needs less than a 1/3 of the US force to control all of Asia and its trade/war.
I suspect by 2020 this will largely be very much true, if we pussyfoot around.
>>29314407
Well defined terms.
>>29318092
That's wrong.
The tech gap is shrinking at a faster pace than anything else.
India will become a superpower in a few minutes or so OP,what do we do
>>29319946
designated superpower
>>29319891
You ever play a civ game where you don't research a lot of shit but rush down a single path and eventually down the road you "auto-learn" the shit you skipped? Yeah that's China.
Except it's getting the advanced/modern shit without learning the basics like metelurgy and propulsion technology.
>>29319976
What is that CIV analogy supposed to show?
When I play CIV my tanks getting raped by spearmen.
>>29310278
Maybe when they learn to use a toilet.
Have they even gotten that used aircraft carrier from Russia yet?
>>29319989
The gap is shrinking not because they are doing their own R&D but modernizing with now common as fuck technology (CIV tech gifting) or corporate/state hacking to get more advanced research.
This level of increase in tech can only sustain itself as long as there continues to be a gap to allow the theft/accrual of already developed tech/research. The closer the gap becomes the slower the rate of increase and ultimate stoppage as they have to establish their own independent R&D sectors. This is shown as already slowly happening primarily in the Aviation field as I stated before where their engine propulsion technology is complete and utter shit. This is considered a fairly basic field of study and yet they continue to be forced to outsource engines because they can't make one that last for any significant length of time.
>>29320017
>The gap is shrinking not because they are doing their own R&D but modernizing with now common as fuck technology (CIV tech gifting) or corporate/state hacking to get more advanced research.
That's wrong.
It's not even worth talking about it.
>right before WW2
>european militaries warning their leaders about the german military build up
>nobody listens because its just the armed forces wanting a budget increase
>WW2 happens
>OH SHIT THEY WEREN'T LYING TO US
/k/ needs to study history.
>>29320017
>>29319976
>>29318092
I mean everyone loves to listen to dumb shit once in a while. But I wish /k/ wouldn't overdo it all the time.
Thinking in CIV mechanics... is this shit for real?
>>29316890
>Article 9
Which has no bearing on the number of destroyers they can build. They simply don't have the money to build a lot of ships.
>>29320025
Japan has like the fourth largest navy already.
>>29320030
My point is that doing away with Article 9 isn't suddenly going to lead to more ships being built for the JMSDF. Considering the disparity in build rates compared to the PLAN, they're going to be left behind.
>>29309728
>!.
Fifty, please.
>>29316830
This.
It will be anthropomotphized as a loli anime girl, one day.
I can only hope that F-3 will happen one day.
Will be funny to see Japan as only nation with a modern 5th gen fighter while the first F-22 are already hitting the end of their lifetime.
>>29319891
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-08/20/c_132646180.htm
>>29320017
I see what you're saying.
50% of their research is true research, and 50% is theft.
As the gap closes, the latter group's output reduces accordingly. When parity is reached, 50% of their staff are dead weight.
That said, they run before they can walk. Metallurgy, and the finer points are somewhat skipped, fucking the product.
It doesn't matter as much for them though - life is cheap, promises mean nothing to a foreigner, and labour is plentiful and obedient.
This will get messy for all involved.
>>29309835
I can understand maybe the Paracels, but the Spratlys are nowhere near China.
>>29320280
>50% of their research is true research, and 50% is theft.
>>29320308
He only pulled out bullshit percentage to appear more like an authority. .
>>29309728
OH GOD THEY ARE COMING RIGHT FOR US WE NEED MORE PLANES NOW
>>29320350
It's basically what US doctrines dictate.
If Nation A gets 100 more aircraft the USA needs to counter it in some way.
>>29309875
>What the fuck? /k/ told me China could never reach the US
>>29309763
>I'm not sure how to react to this.
You are not supposed too. People in allied to USA (and more or less neutral) countries are. There is new biggest boy around the block. Let's choose new winning side, group around him and cuck old boy.
>>29320328
Their research facilities are some top level shit. They are doing an even faster Japan.
>>29309728
Just like infantry, they have cannon fodder aircraft too.
If any of them survive, they get experience and get promoted.
then they do it all again.
Their planes can be put in production just like teddy bears, or oy phun, or honga cars, or bwm cars or abidas, or noke shoes.
And dont forget about the 150 000 000 that will surrender in the first 15 minutes of any war.
They have been around for a wong wong time and learned a thing or two, mostly learn about what kind of things not to give a fuck about.
>>29317964
Their guided missiles are just ass.
>>29321870
Never good to underestimate your adversaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Hanit
>outdated copies of chink missile from the 80s managed to mission kill israel's most advanced ship.
>>29316125
This is what the F-35 should have been: a smaller, cheaper F-22. Instead they went for the STOVL meme.
>>29321996
F-35's are smaller and cheaper than F-22's while being competitive at what F-22's do.
So is this just the AF's way of saying
>we need mo money fo dem programs.
>>29322006
>while being competitive at what F-22's do.
Call me when the F-35 can supercruise at Mach 1.8 with a fuel internal load.
>Implying the F-35 even works
>>29322032
Sorry, do you have an actual argument or just pictures like this?
>>29322058
The F-35 is PAINFULLY slow compared to all other fighter jets. How is this duck that can't exceed 900 knots going to compete against Russian jets zipping around at Mach 2.0+, with longer range, higher missile capacity, and best of all, the ability to actually turn.
Europe should buy Eurofighters instead.
>>29322083
No Europe should buy Chinese.
>>29322006
Mike Hostage, one the air forces most cited generals in old /k/ threads for his praise, said it would take 6 F-35 to do what one F-22 does.
>>29322083
Its fast enough, and the Russian Airforce is a joke and there is a reason the ground defense forces are have such an important role. Also Eurofighters cant turn for shit, that delta wing causes massive amounts of drag in a turn. Eurofighters also have a massive issue when it comes to production considering their components have to be manufactured all across europe.
>>29322083
>jets zipping around at Mach 2.0
>>29309728
>On March 2, General Mark Welsh told the House Appropriations Committee's
Litterally all that needs to be read in regards to the OP
>>29322111
They dont even do the same job. The F-35 is intended to be a multirole aircraft that can utilize nearly all existing weapons in the airforce arsenal and those that will be developed in coming decades. The F-22 is a dedicated air superiority fighter that excels at what it does. They arent supposed to be equal in terms of their abilities as that would detract from their ability to do the jobs they were made for. You are an idiot if you start saying "the f-35 isnt a better fighter than the f-22", its not supposed to be, and again, you are an idiot.
>>29322111
>said it would take 6 F-35 to do what one F-22 does
Both are obsolete manned aircraft.
>>29309869
notice how the US does shit about them exercising freedom of navigation because thats what you do?
China thinks their special and the whole country needs a bitchslap
>>29322111
Well, the F-35 was never supposed to be an air superiorty fighter like the F-22. So comparisons can only be misleading.
Doesn't change that the F-35 project was handled in the worst possible way though.
>>29322083
>The F-35 is PAINFULLY slow compared to all other fighter jets.
It flies at the speeds aircraft actually travel at and performs fancy maneuvers through controlled flight instead of ballistically throwing itself.
The question you should be asking is how can a Russian jet compete against an aircraft that will have fired on it before it even knew it was being targeted.
>>29322151
What a surprise that an aircraft fleet of non supercruise capable aircraft don't operate much in transsonic/supersonic regimes.
>>29322111
[citation needed]
>>29322151
I don't get it. Isn't the answer obvious- jets at the time could only go fast when afterburning, which consumes a shitton of fuel? So it makes obvious sense to use dry thrust and stay subsonic most of the time.
The paper makes it seem like it's some great mystery.
>>29312264
since most insurgents weren't from Iraq id say it was a marginal success.
>>29322212
Supercruise capable aircraft do not normally fly at those speeds either, it greatly reduces range.
Lets see here....
In 2030 they might have hundreds of a fighter that carries less BVR missles of the much smaller F-35 (at that time)...which, at that time, the us will have thousands.
In 2030, they will have 3 shit teir 40k ton 2nd hand russian designed poor excuse for a carrier. In 2030 the us's 6th ford class carrier will be in sea trials.
In 2030 the US will have already unvield its 6th gen fighter, already in LRIP.
The chinese are so fucking behind the ball they have to desperately try anything to stay at their current position behind the US
>>29322214
Supercruising still takes a shitton of fuel.
>>29322185
>The F-35 is intended to be a multirole aircraft
That's the whole issue. The F-35 is basically a strike aircraft, it is too slow and too unmaneuverable to compete in air-to-air combat. That might be okay for the US because the US actually has the F-22, but other nations that buy the F-35 as their sole option for air defense are getting screwed royally.
>>29322242
So the super hornet is too slow and unmanuverable?
>>29322234
I'm not arguing about the F-22 vs F-35. I don't give two shits about that.
I'm just interested in the paper. Did military planners at the time really expect air combat to occur at full burner all the time, and making minimal maneuvers to maintain mach 2?
>>29322248
Yes. The Tomcat never should have been retired. The Hornet was a poor replacement: slower, and shorter range.
>>29322197
>Doesn't change that the F-35 project was handled in the worst possible way though.
Being bad at dealing with the constant lies and sensationalism by the anti F-35 crowd?
>>29322262
Well, ill send your astute top gun knowledge to the DoD. Ill make sure to add in that you are smarter than them
>>29322224
Good that most missions don't require max range but are so planned that the aircraft can go supercruise when they enter the combat zone.
RAF's Eurofighter proved their superiorty over Tornados in that regard.
>>29322271
So the long delay and increased costs are lies?
How much of a shill do you need to be to deny such facts?
>>29322242
>it is too slow and too unmaneuverable to compete in air-to-air combat.
0 for 2, sup Pierre
>>29322272
The Tomcat was murdered because Dick Cheney was a shill for the Hornet Mafia, period.
>>29322280
What long delay, based on early estimates from the 90's before work actually started?
And the costs are going down constantly, hell the difference between what a F-35 costs now and the early estimates from the 90's is less than what a new F-16 costs now and what it did in the 90's.
>>29322296
Dropped your hat, dont worry, i got more.
The f-14 was retired because the old birds advantages were not worth their high cost. End of story.
>>29322280
?
There was no long delay or increased costs except compared to made up estimates from before it was even designed.
>>29322316
>By 2014, the program was "$163 billion over budget [and] seven years behind schedule.
There isn't much to discuss about it.
Also nice bullshitting.
>>29322296
And the fact that it was absurdly expensive to operate while its primary reason to exist disappeared when the Soviet Union fell.
>>29322319
It wasn't just the cost.
F-14s were hangar queens that required too much maintenance to justify. They just weren't good first-response type of aircraft.
>>29322326
You are quoting 60 Minutes of all sources?
>>29309728
>In a stark assessment, the US Air Force chief-of-staff warned that China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will be poised to overtake the US Air Force by 2030.
In other news, a man with a vested interest in increasing military spending publishes a dire warning that increased military spending is necessary.
>>29322137
>can´t turn for shit
The only western fighter which is better at that is the fucking F-22.
>>29322191
>herp derp muh drones
>Jamming doesn't exist
>AI capable of making the right decision exists
>>29322402
except the European canard fighters.
>>29316125
Holy shit, I didn't realize they had an actual aircraft yet.
>>29322471
But the Eurofighter is the yuropoor canard triangle plane.
>>29320291
falklands is near argentina. falklands is not british
>implying China can do shit
India will smack China's shit around in 9 years, they're gonna be a superpower by 2025 bitches
>>29310371
Nobody important wants any articles to say exactly that, because that would instigate the pro-expansion elements of the Communist Party. But the facts of the matter are that these atoll installations are supposed to deter SEA in the short term and prepare for a future inevitability where the US would no longer be able to protect SEA and leave all of Asia to Chinese domination in the long term.
The only thing that would stop it is a complete cockblock in relevant airspace and sea lanes. And the only way that will happen is if SEA instigates the Chinese into attacking a country protected by US treaty. So if Japan does a Cuban Missile Crisis blockade of a critical sea lane and China blows that blockade up, America will come in and re-enact the Pacific Campaign.
>>29322214
>the paper makes it seem like it's some great mystery.
No it doesn't. With your argument you were on point. Also there is another point.
>>29322242
You are saying the F-16 is useless because we have F-15's. You are an idiot, and not worth arguing with.
>>29322761
More like super-pooer
>>29309728
How about China implosing before 2030.
It's far too quiet for such big cunt three.
>>29309728
>GIEF MONIEZ PLOX
as always the dumb military animal is trained to recite this line
>>29320291
This is bad logic.
>>29309728
More fear mongering by the liar
>>29323156
If you say the funding is enough you gonna get cut.
>>29309842
Are we reading the same article?
>>29309858
I'm someone who tries to defend China using sources and facts here on /k/, (yes extremely difficult), and China is going to be facing more economic problems than America in 50 years.
>>29310303
>people on /k/ actually believe this
>>29310508
>2020
>Indian superpower launches bioweapons of mass destruction (Indians) into the Himalayas, forever tainting the fresh water and leading to the mass mutation of Chinese into Supermutants. Chinese leaders, after realizing they have not fulfilled their Communist Utopia, then nukes themselves and the world, creating the Fallout universe.
>>29312006
It's exaggerated, but not "vastly" exaggerated.
And even implying all they have gotten are the "blueprints", that information is still very useful to a militarily backwards place like China.
>>29312254
>truthout
China is shit, but this is shit as well.
Into the trash it goes.
>>29313338
Quantity has a quality of its own.
Considering the Chinese soul concern is defending the Mainland and the surrounding 1st island chain, they'll definitely have the regional advantage even with less quality planes. See, the Phillipines, Taiwan, and Japan aren't armed with the most modern weaponry either.
>>29313449
>and the IJN will poof back into existence faster than the 3 years it was destroyed
>>29323209
hence the constant fearmongering and concoction of phantom threats to justify funding
militarism at its very heart is based on lies
>>29316091
>Setting aside that the F-2, which has little commonality with the F-16, was pursued to rebuild Japan's aviation industry.
Lmao
>>29316091
That looks exactly like an F-16 anon.
It's like arguing that the CF-18 isn't actually F-18.
>>29323363
What % parts commonality does the F-2 have with an F-16.
>>29316125
>all that smoke
And I thought the Chink engines were bad
>>29316890
That isn't going to change the fact they are 240% of GDP in debt and their economy is in chronic stagnation.
>>29323387
The only smoke I see is a brief second when the engines leave idle.
>>29309869
>>29322196
The US do this shit all the time in Latin America.
>>29318092
The tech gap will remain, but it's shrinking.
Catching up isn't as hard as discovering new ground.
>>29322151
>vietnam
>>29323548
>it ain't me starts playing
>>29322232
Lets see here....
>In 2030 they might have hundreds of a fighter that carries less BVR missles of the much smaller F-35 (at that time)...which, at that time, the us will have thousands.
(Citation needed)
There's supposed to be upwards of 700 J-20's by 2030. The F-35 won't hit 1000 PRODUCED (not even ready) until 2032.
The J-20 currently carries an outdated missile that will be replaced by more advanced missiles in the future. PL-12 for example. Both the updated Block 3b F-35A and J-20 will carry the same amount of BVR missiles in 2025.
>In 2030, they will have 3 shit teir 40k ton 2nd hand russian designed poor excuse for a carrier. In 2030 the us's 6th ford class carrier will be in sea trials.
In 2030 the Chinese will have 3 indigenous carriers, one of which will be a fully modern new built Lianoning class, one will be a 70k ton non-ski jump, and one will be the 100k ton nuclear supercarrier.
The 4th Ford will be in sea trials in 2030.
Ford 1 = 2013
Ford 2 = 2018
Ford 3 = 2023
Ford 4 = 2028
This is assuming there are no delays, as there already have been.
>In 2030 the US will have already unvield its 6th gen fighter, already in LRIP.
(Citation needed)
All current indications show that, if anything, a 6th gen will be in prototype stage at that time. The competition winner will not be known until the mid 2030's.
You are so fucking ignorant, that I can't believe I spent the time responding.
>>29320023
Its all fun and games until a country actually starts using it. China is that country. Occupying those atolls are nothing more than landgrabbing in preparation for future invasions in a few generations and everyone knows it, but the Chinese can't stop themselves from doing it while shitting naval ships and aircraft all over the region.
>>29309728
This statement smells of "gib moniez plz"
>>29322382
So using this logic, if he said the Chinese would never catch up he is asking for less funding?
>>29323659
Hes asking to be reassigned to the Antarctic.
>>29323385
>The program involved technology transfer from the USA to Japan and vice versa. Responsibility for cost sharing was split 60% by Japan and 40% by USA.[6] Lockheed Martin would manufacture all the aft fuselages and wing leading-edge flaps and eight of the ten left-hand wingboxes.[7]
I am not going to go find you the percent commonality. Being one mm different in size of certain parts doesn't mean the F-2 isn't based off of the F-16 Agile Fighter design.
>>29323650
>They are going to invade ASEAN in the future because they are building some islands
Using this logic Vietnam, Malaysia, and Indonesia are going to invade other nations because they are building up their own islands.
They haven't invaded anyone since 1979. Considering the fact China would only hurt itself by invading any ASEAN nation, the US is more likely to invade an ASEAN nation than China.
>>29323669
I just don't see how a general pointing out China's military rise is inherently just shilling for more funding.
Maybe he is correct, and he is asking for more funding to correct this.
>>29323733
>Using this logic Vietnam, Malaysia, and Indonesia are going to invade other nations because they are building up their own islands.
What they have made, and what China has made, there is no comparison.
>>29323637
>The F-35 won't hit 1000 PRODUCED (not even ready) until 2032.
From what I have seen, just in 2022 to 2030 there is supposed to be 120 a year.
>>29309728
Why does the F-35A use flying boom refueling but the B and C use probe & drogue?
This seems like a very simple way to increase commonality that was missed for some reason. It is so garish that there simply must be an underlying reason for it.
>>29323886
>China is worse even though Vietnam occupies by far the most islands because China is the duly designated enemy according to the military mouthpieces
>>29324179
A is for Airforce, B&C are for Navy, they probably use different methods for refueling because that sounds like the sort of thing the military would do.
