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Bee yourself in the polygraph edition
>IRC Channel
>implying anyone uses IRC
#MEG on Freenode
If you're on mobile look up AndroIRC for the app. Any questions, ask in the thread to get you set up.
Resources:
>Armyranger.com
For Ranger info, obviously.
>Shadowspear.com
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
>Professionalsoldiers.com
For all Army SF info.
>http://www.corpsman.com
For Navy Corpsman info.
>http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?115180-MARSOC-Force-Recon
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
>http://www.uscg.org
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
>www.defencejobs.gov.au/
For info on the Australian Defense Force, and how you can shitpost on the world stage.
>https://www.airwarriors.com/community/
Naval Aviator forum with info on Navy OCS as well
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Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
http://strawpoll.me/6764857
Ask questions, get advice from retards on how to lie on the poly, bitch about recruiters, accuse each other of stolen valor, just keep it in this general.
Use the IRC pussies
The next fucker who starts /meg/ with a pepe image is going to get his fucking teeth kicked in.
>>29301549
I don't understand how you have such a low chance of dying/getting hurt as an 11b infantryman. Everyone says that you'll most likely be fine, but how can that be true when your job is to seek out and engage armed terrorists in gunfights? How can a job where you kick down doors and clear buildings be "pretty safe"? Can someone explain this to me?
>>29301676
>your job is to seek out and engage armed terrorists in gunfights
your actual job is to seek out and clean dirty rocks on post
I signed a contract for the air Force, I am going in as a 1A331, what should I expect, is it cool, and will I have much fly time?
>>29301492
The fucking forum on Corpsman.com is down
I asked this in last thread but it died.
How does reclassifying work in the AF? Could I enlist TACP and gain a skill set for a couple years and then reclassify/retrain (not sure on the vocab) into combat controller?
Also, do TACPs get stationed on Air bases or on army bases? Is there a chance I could be stationed in Europa?
>>29301549
It's the same faggot every time
I'm going ANG officer and I got a 31 quant on the afoqt. I already interviewed with the unit and they love me.
How fucked am I?
>>29302045
If it's like the Army, the MOS you're going into has to need bodies, or the MOS you're in has too many and the one you're going into doesn't have too many.
>>29301676
Modern US military won't take fights it doesn't absolutely dominate. That means 3-to-1 advantage with way superior training and equipment.
Now add in the fact that deployment is pretty rare right now and you can spend a whole deployment without seeing combat. You're more likely to die by shooting yourself than being killed by an enemy weapon.
>>29302154
What about ied?
>>29302267
they used to be a problem
http://icasualties.org/oef/
>>29302296
Why aren't they anymore?
>>29302314
A mix of less activity in general by both Taliban and NATO, better protection in vehicles, and probably other shit too.
>>29302055
>>29301549
Dumb dumb frogposter
>>29302552
never posted on /k/ before, but is it better to enlist before or after college. (19, took a semester of community college)
>>29304271
Are you paying for college out of pocket?
>>29304283
my parents were but we hit hard times and i realized i should be doing my part and work (work towards a scholarship/job/loan) but i've always wanted to elist but i also want to be an engineer.
>>29304435
Two options anon, take out student loans and pay your way through college.
Enlist and use the GI bill to pay for engineering degree in a few years.
Have you been accepted to good uni yet(not community college)?
>>29304559
>Have you been accepted to good uni yet(not community college)?
no i was just planning on going through the 2yrs and applying on my way.thanks for the advice by the way
>>29304692
Air Force is a good option if you just want to enlist and get out. You get the G.I bill, and you can get an associates degree with the Air Force Community College. You'll really only be two years behind, but you'll be coming out with money (if you save), the G.I. bill, and work experience.
>>29304783
>implying that national university isn't on every base of every branch
Have you even served?
>>29304783
>two years behind
from the time in service right?
Annapolis or West Point (assuming I can get into both)?
>>29304805
not the same anon but please explain
>>29304692
This the optimal route if you plan to get out after your first enlistment. Your post 9/11 bill will cover you for 36 months of schooling. This means it will cover you getting your master's degree.
Bonus points if you live near your college as you can just drive to it and collect that delicious BAH without living on campus.
What are the living quarters like for enlisted soldiers living on base?
>>29305196
you gotta blow your CO's dick everyday
>>29305290
and you have to swallow every yummy drop right into your tummy
>>29304901
National University is a nationally accredited college that has a satellite on every US military base, so saying that an advantage of the Air Force is the community college is fallacious.
>>29305728
The advantage to the Air Force is that your training itself is accredited.
Now there's the JST, but at least with the Army it used to be AARTS, and I've never heard of anyone getting anything taken for credit except for a PE elective.
Haven't ran in years, how much is basic gonna suck?
>>29306487
>The advantage to the Air Force is that your training itself is accredited.
I know, I post that in practically every /meg/ thread.
>Now there's the JST, but at least with the Army it used to be AARTS
I don't know what this means.
I got all kinds of math, English, and some CIS units doing MCIs and from 5942 school. I guess the only people you know were in retard MOS's.
>>29305290
t. russian army
Any stories, experience, or wisdom to share about the Air Guard or National Guard?
How many days out of the month are monthly drills? I've heard it ranges from 3-4 days a month, plus 2 weeks a year of training.
Is the Air Guard very selective and picky, or more picky than the National Guard? Kind of how the Air Force tends to be more picky than the Army?
>>29306603
i dont have personal experience but im sure it depends on the branch. from what i've heard the airforce is on the easier end
I'm about to finish AIT as 91b in the national guard, I've planned out the next 4 years like this:
Use guard to repay the federal student loans I currently have (13k), go back to uni and get a 4 year, reenlist when I have that into the active army, maybe 92r for that sweet maroon beret, become nco, and from there I don't know.
I'm not 100% certain about the benefits offered by the guard, my recruiter had me convinced but other privates here say differently, do any OTHER privates here have some prior experience? How can/should I adjust my plan?
>>29306606
Oh and I didn't mean to reference accreditation, I meant that the Air Force was better for international certs. The example I always bring up is how af networking school follows comptia curriculum while usmc 0651 school has its own random bullshit that doesn't help you get any kind of professional certs.
The Marine Corps is really the worst choice if your focus is professional training, just in case anyone is wondering.
>>29306753
Everything you asked can be found through google. Yes, the Air National Guard is more selective than the Army National Guard.
I'm going through the process of getting commissioned in the Air National Guard currently. I don't really have any information that can't already be found on the official website.
>>29305728
>nationally accredited college
National accreditation is an indicator of a garbage school and should be avoided.
With only a couple exceptions, I wouldn't consider attending schools on military bases except to take gen ed credits in order to transfer them to someplace decent.
Most of the "military friendly" schools are pure scams designed to leech government money while providing nothing to the service members taking the courses.
>>29301492
How can I find out what branch is right for me?
>>29307084
I wouldn't worry too much about branches.
Decide what job you'd like to do, and go from there. Likely that will narrow your options down to at most 2 branches. If you still can't decide, then you can come back and ask which branch is best for that type of job.
>>29307010
Not sure how boot you are that you don't know, but no, nobody actually graduates from National. You are correct, enlisted people get their GEs and transferable UDs done there then choose a university after they get out.
Thought that was obvious and didn't need to be said.
>>29307260
>Not sure how boot you are that you don't know, but no, nobody actually graduates from National.
National University seems to only be on a tiny handful of Naval and Marine bases, and I've never heard of them before. Turns out that the military is a lot bigger than just the few places you've been.
>>29307260
>Thought that was obvious and didn't need to be said.
Plenty of people graduate from those types of schools.
Even for gen eds, a lot of those schools are a bad idea. You're probably not going to be challenged or learn anything, and if you transfer to an actually decent school after your time in the military, you may have a rough time in upper level classes if you didn't get the basics that you needed. Obviously depends on your degree.
>>29307260
Nationally acreditted institution's credits are often untransferable to regionally acreditted campuses. Often because they are just scam schools. It's counterintuitive but 'regionally' accredited institutions are the ones that you need to get credit with in order to get a genuine degree.
>>29307340
I'm guessing you're looking at brick and mortar locations and learning centers. They have a representative for a satellite on nearly every base and at least one classroom. Go to your education center and check it out Monday, come back and tell me how right I am.
I'm sure nobody goes to these school to learn anything. They just want their degree in leadership from them or Ashford so they can pick up MSgt or whatever.
>>29307416
Admittedly, I do always get them confused.
All I know is that the people focused on school go to national and end up transferring to whatever state or private school they want to attend, myself included.
>>29307125
Honestly, combat related jobs interest me the most because they're what I think about when I think of the military. I understand the US isn't involved in any conflicts on foreign land and there isn't much of a point in joining the Infantry, but there isn't much else that interests me.
With that said, I guess that narrows my options to Army and the Marines but I'm not entirely sure what the distinctive differences between them are.
>>29301765
Hey same guy from last thread, I'm still jealous, and still want to know as well as him about that job.
>>29301492
>going to MCRD:SD on monday
i cant tell if I feel nervous or indifferent
Am I supposed to feel like this
pic unrelated
If there is army National guard and air National guard why no navy National guard
Or National coast guard guard
>>29307010
What about AFCC? Will the credits I get there be transferable to the UC system?
>>29308648
Why would we need a navy ng? We have the cg. Besides, what good would an additional 100,000 cock suckers do?
>>29308648
pretty sure the puddle pirates were intended to fill that gap
>>29308648
coast guard.
>>29308697
Call up admissions and ask them yourself.
Navy computer nerd here. Shipping out in about a month. Quick question.
Do all ITs require a Top Secret security clearance, baseline, or only the guys who work on important shit?
Would rather not have the military taking a good look into my past. I'm a dirty liar.
>ship out to boot camp in 7 weeks
>can't do any unassisted sit ups, can barely do ten when my feet are under something really heavy and I'm basically putting all my weight into my feet
how fucked am I
how can I try and unfuck myself before I ship out?
h e l p
>>29307505
Well if you go army for a combat related job you will be eating glue and sweeping the sunshine off the curb for 4 years, if you go marines you'll be doing that but with an older broom
If you want to have a little bit of fun and danger but not too much, what job should You get in the army?
>>29309806
If you have the intestinal fortitude to stick it out, you'll be fine. You'll probably go to sick call once, like it, get a profile, and just never go back to training though.
>>29310366
Thanks for the vote of confidence m8
What can I do in the 7 weeks before I ship out to get me more prepared?
Is Boom or Load critically manned right now?
>>29310398
Having your buddy butt bone you is a good start recording your core, otherwise work out you fat fuck. Sit ups are your issue? Do sit ups. Slot of sit ups. When your home do sit ups and push ups for hours, till total muscle failure or you vomit.
>>29310429
Lol they are fucking packed m8
>>29310441
Damn, I wanted one of those two because i've heard they're basically the best enlisted job to get for travel...wonder if I should just wait a few months instead of signing anything now
Do you think the average white male, if forced to do 4 years of infantry service, could do special forces training with more ease than an infantry boot/pog?
>>29310485
>>29310485
Any form of combat arms experience is valued as a SOF guy for selection and training. So yes.
>>29310451
Always wait for the job you want, but you will never see those at MEPS, they are snagged at basic. So wait all you want and you MIGHT get lucky. If not, don't bother, and just wait to pick a job at basic if it's what you really really want. But it's a roll of the dice, and a huge gamble.
>>29310548
Oh, but combat arms experience is sweeping rocks and parking lots. Peace time, I forgot.
Going Coast Guard, talking to the recruiter next month to sign the paperwork. Already spoke to him in June (God damn, these threads are still going, does anyone know for sure that Navydepper dropped?)
Have a -ton- of information about the CG in the big ass folder they gave me, if anyone else is interested.
>>29310574
Nice try, Mr. Article 15. I spent a couple of years in the peacetime infantry. We trained for war constantly. I served in the 75th Ranger Regiment but never saw combat until I was with the Amos and Annie Airplane Gang - the 82nd Airborne.
>>29310613
CG? Are you okay with being a puddle pirate?
>>29310635
How is the Army vs the Navy for SOF? I would include the USMC but I don't know enough about MARSOC, or Force Recon if that's even a thing anymore
>>29310613
What would I have to do to see combat as a coast guard? What are the guys who fight the drug cartels on drug boats called? How do you go about becoming one?
>>29310662
Army over navy, marsoc Is on the up and up and I recommend but it's a hard road.
>>29310651
I'm planning to go into either SAR or Maritime Enforcement, the jobs I'm interested in doing (Law Enforcement & Search and Rescue) are both provided by the Coast Guard, and I'll be entirely honest, I could give a fuck about people bashing on the Coast Guard, hate them until you need your ass pulled out of the water.
>>29310711
As of 2013, Deployable Operations Group (DOG) has been decommissioned, so "combat" in the sense of deploying to Sandboxistan is more or less impossible to see. However, they have a handful of jobs that routinely perform booardings of various levels.
Maritime Enforcement Specialist (ME) is the initial job for that, and after that you can go to more schools and become MSST (Maritime Safety & Security Team), which is basically a SWAT team. Maritime Security Response Team (MSRT), which is the Coast Guards only offensive oriented job. It's a counter-terror, counter-narcotic team, does highspeedlowdrag stuff.
There's also Law Enforcement Detatchments (LEDET), which deploy aboard Navy ships, and perform law enforcement tasks abroad. I believe they routinely perform boardings and counter-piracy.
The Coast Guard goes as follows:
Boot>2 months
First Duty Station>Minimum of 6mos
(You are required to spend 6mos as a "Crewman" at your first duty station, adjusting to life in the CG, as well as getting a feel for which A-school you want to go to)
A School>
Duty Station>
>>29308648
There are five states with active Naval Militias, including New York.
There are about 20 with authorized but inactive Naval Militias.
>>29306606
>I don't know what this means.
JST= Joint Service Transcript
AARTS= is the Army specific transcript that used to exist.
When you enroll you have to give this transcript to the school before the VA will let you use chapter 33 benefits, because the VA are a bunch of stingy fucks and if they don't have to pay for a 1 hour PE elective credit they won't.
>I got all kinds of math, English, and some CIS units doing MCIs and from 5942 school. I guess the only people you know were in retard MOS's.
I was in Military Intelligence and the school I enrolled in took a single PE elective credit hour.
>>29311386
That is a humorous jab. Truthfully, a guy with a 17' fishing vessel that is mostly rusted, is not a reliable figure to our defense.
You're being obtuse. Admit it.
>>29311445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_militia
>>29309806
Keep doing push-ups, sit-ups, and running every single day before you ship out. Do as many as you are physically capable of, multiple times a day if you can. PT isn't really too bad desu, but this will make it suck a lot less.
>>29310284
Combat Engineer. 12B. Everyone I've ever known in it had a blast.
>>29311493
i feel like this is b8, i don't know what to think about some of the shit y'all say. it could be true, it could be absolute bullshit, i don't know
>>29311519
Nah I'm serious. I didn't do it so I can't speak from personal experience, but my buddies liked it.
>>29311534
i wonder how much info i've taken to heart has come from bitter rejects and 11b's, i had like 3 people tell me that was a shit job
>>29311552
Idk. I didn't enlist in the army like my high school buddies; I went to college and ended up in developmental engineering for the Air Force.
>inb4 POG
>inb4 muh chair force
I don't really give a shit because I enjoyed myself and ended up with good experience.
>>29311575
that's pretty cool actually
>>29311575
As someone who did enlist after high school, I wish this retarded culture gap between military and civilian would go away.
It's grating to hear fellow veterans talk about how shitty civilians are etc. and reinforce retarded stereotypes about veterans. And it's usually the POGiest of POGs who do that shit.
It chips away at my faith in humanity more than Trump being on track to be the Republican nominee.
>>29311807
>hating on trump
>>29311485
>running every single day
b-but C25k says to take rest days
>>29311955
you get one
>>29311888
One of two outcomes:
1. He is the embodiment of "slimeball politician", and is a product of system he is supposedly outside of convincing people he is something new.
2. He is a Democrat in disguise destroying the Republican party to guarantee a Shillary win in the general.
Considering his past political positions and support of the Clintons, I'm going with 2. Trump supporters are going to feel dumb as fuck when Shillary takes the general this year and Trump makes a speech talking about how he tricked all you retards into supporting a Clinton supporter for the Repub ticket, and then he drops the mic and walks off stage to "Trollololololol".
>>29311955
Take rest days.
That anon is retarded and has never trained longterm as an athlete.
>>29312148
"no"
>>29312204
Lol sure thing homie.
You're right, Trump will usher in a new age of world peace and has evolved his positions on, for example, gun control rather than the far more likely possibility that he's pandering.
>>29311955
Take rest days. Slightly slower progress is better than an injury that takes weeks to months to heal.
>>29312148
Yes, those are the ONLY two possibilities. I'm sure your B- in high school government class taught you that.
>>29309713
Are you CT?
Can I get some word on AF Operations Intel vs AF IMGINT? Also, why does SERE have such a turnover rate.
Also, don't do Security Forces or MP.
>>29312148
The reason rich people don't usually run for office is because f the number it can do to your reputation. He could have paved the way for Hillary simply by propping someone else up to play this role.
If Trump loses then it's going to hurt him as much as it damages the Republican Party and its supporters. The nation is already at a tipping point so the wealthy of america will becom targets for populist rage before Hillary finishes her first term.
If he wins then he gets to decide presidential policies himself instead of through a proxy.
Neither the Republican Party nor the democrats can control him. So he's effectively a third party candidate who ran the smartest way he could and will have the best chance of turning things around in an otherwise locked political system.
>>29302068
bump
>>29312158
>>29312610
Yep, running every day will only get you shin splints and probably stress fractures. You'll get put in the medical platoon when you get to boot and can't keep up... end up in boot camp for like six months.
>tfw stuck on vacation with family and missed out on a week of c25k
>whole plan is now a week behind
fuck
Any 25B's here that can comment on how hard it is to reclass into 17c or 25d?
>>29314052
>I can't run on vacation
>>29314483
we've been going out to places every day, havent found the time
i could've waken up earlier and ran before we went out for the day but im a fuckup
>>29314518
Stop being a fuckup anon. You can stop fucking up. Stop fucking up tomorrow.
>>29314052
>tfw hurt my knee 20 days ago and haven't ran since, and I leave for basic in 9 days.
fuck
>>29314555
How bad is your knee? What branch?
If you hurt it bad enough, tell your recruiter, they can generally push you back even at such short notice. If you get to Basic and they discover the knee problem, you could get into a world of trouble for not saying something.
I want to do cyber. Can only qualify for secret.
What options do I have?
>>29314555
tell your recruiter man
you dont want to go to basic with a fucked up knee, especially if they find out you hurt your knee a while ago
>>29314554
Yeah, I'm gonna try to get on the ball. Eat healthier, stick to my running schedule, the whole shabang.
>>29314573
Air Force. I don't know how bad it is to be honest, since I haven't done much on it. For weeks it hurt to go up and down stairs, but this week I can barely feel any problem at all, but I can tell it's still there.
I'm sure if I push it and run, it will be painful later. But I'm hoping by the time I get to basic it will be healed.
I leave on the 28th, and the injury happened at the end of February, so I'm hoping to god it's better by then.
>>29314601
>>29314573
Are you guys sure I should tell my recruiter? I'm afraid of what could happen, and I'm just hoping in 9 days it will be better. I haven't seen a doctor btw so I doubt they'd know it happened before basic.
>>29314656
If you've gotten this far, you won't be disqualified for haivng a sore knee. Just ask him if you can delay it, because you hurt yourself running.
>>29314656
>>29314634
Now you're fucked.
If you tell the recruiter, he's either going to say "Fuck it, go on it" or "Go to a doctor". Doctor could complicate it, there are several "activist" orthopedists that try to DQ people for the military. (Personal experience, can elaborate but not necessary). If he says go to a doctor, you obviously need to go get cleared, which may involve an MRI or X Rays.
If you go on it, and it gets injured you could honestly get "lucky" and just sent to medbay where you're evaluated and watched, or get fucked and sent home, potentially with an OTH separation for lying/hiding it. You should go through MEPS for another physical prior to leaving anyway though.
>>29314698
>lying/hiding it
well I'm not going to tell them it was injured before I went obviously. Idk I can't think of any other solution other than just waiting till I ship and hoping it's better by then. Every other option seems too risky.
>>29314779
If it feels really fucked up, feign injury once you get there. Like, act like you fucked up your leg on one of the runs. That way you'll be able to stay to get better.
>>29314779
Right, well you do know that lying about it, or hiding it is grounds for disqualification during basic, right? If it's bad, and you can't run on it, you need to let them know. Hell, you might actually -need- to see a doctor. Basic is running, running, and more running.
>>29314555
> tfw the fascia in my left foot is strained/incredibly painful when I run for more than 2 miles
> have EOD contract and have hardly done any running recently
> 11:22 1.5 mile
> leave in ~3 months
JUST
>>29314817
That run time is good enough for USAF standards. You're not going to set any records, but you won't fail the PFA.
>>29314817
See a doctor? Especially if you have an EOD contract you'd like to keep. Remember, it's not like the running stops after boot/basic. You're gonna run. A lot. Might as well make it a point to make sure you're not going to get injured and possibly medically discharged over something that's avoidable.
>>29314817
I run an 18 minute 1.5 mile and leave in 7 weeks.
What branch would be the first to use the word "triggered" in a non-ironic manner?
Which branch would be the first to have a Tumblr page of its own?
>>29314817
>>29315053
not trying to be a dick, but are y'all just fat as hell or what? do you just put forth zero effort? do you know what running is? dead serious
>>29314911
>Air Force standards
The Air Force doesn't have standards.
There is a reason you have so many 300lbers
>>29315066
the marines because manlets
>>29315084
I was morbidly obese from the ages of 5-20.
Then in the span of 16 months or so I dropped 150 lbs and signed up with my local recruiter. Was surprised they let me through MEPS the first time, no questions asked. Ended up getting in at 510 210lbs, just under tape at 38 inches.
So. Yes to the first question, no to the second, and 'I'm fucking working on it' to the third.
>>29315286
gj anon, keep it up. i'm in the opposite boat, i'm shit at bulking so i'm a hungry skelly
>>29315093
Seems like the Air Force does what the other branches wishes theirs would do - take a look at the whole person rather than their bmi. I knew chubsters who could run, and of course senior staff and O's rate to do whatever they want.
>>29315103
Seconding
At only 6' 2" I towered over everyone I ever saw during my time in the Marine Corps. It definitely seems like manlets are drawn to the whole implied superiority thing.
>>29315330
I'm fucking dreading boot camp, brew.
I am not fucking ready, and I JUST BARELY make tape. And I doubt 7 weeks of C25k, core/bodyweight exercises, and starving myself is going to make much of a difference.
>>29315889
if you fuck up bad enough you can recycle. i'd be much more concerned about the mental stress
>>29315889
I went from 241 to 220 in 4 weeks by watching what I eat and working out.
If you actually stick to your ~1700 cal diet, it will happen for you. No cheating like a little bitch; you just have to decide how badly to want this for yourself.
>>29316046
I'm at 1500 right now. Self loathing and the sunken cost fallacy are the only sustenance I need.
I just want to fucking get there already! Been working towards this goal for almost two fucking years to escape my Mom's basement and actually DO something with my life. Seven more weeks of purgatory is going to be hell.
>>29314598
None in the military. Get a TS.
>>29316187
If waiting for things to happen really bothers you then you're making the wrong life choice.
Look at it from the standpoint of paying penance: if you hadn't let yourself get this fat then you wouldn't be going through this, use that as your motivation to never let yourself get fat again.
cadet in air force rotc
how hard is it to get a pilot or CSO/nav slot if you have no flight hours cause youre a poorfag
>>29318098
Your focus should primarily be excelling in college and getting 90+ on every afoqt composite at this point.
Having a pilot's license and hours means practically nothing. They want to see a superior afoqt and gpa from kids coming out of college.
GOD BEING IN DEP IS SO BORING
I CANT WAIT TILL NOVEMBER!!! REEEE
any ausfags have any experience with Army trade apprenticeships? Thinking of doing sparky work
>actually landed the niche job I wanted with the Navy
Nifty.
>>29319433
nice dubs
also which 1
>>29318272
tfw in EE and my gpa is only going down from here
thanks man i will study for the afoqt from here on out
>>29315889
>I am not fucking ready, and I JUST BARELY make tape.
Don't worry about it.
So you'll get yelled at for being fat. Remember: you will be yelled at for everything. Everyone gets yelled-at. You'll lose weight pretty quickly anyway once you get there.
Show effort, don't make excuses, learn quickly, be a good team-mate. If you can manage those things, your DIs will be pulling for you.
As someone who is fairly smart(33 on ACT, 4.5 GPA in High School), would joining the Marines be a bad idea? I sort of plan on using some military service as a jump into an alphabet agency, hopefully the CIA...would a different branch be better for this? I did plan on possibly trying to get into SOF after my first 4 years so i'd have experience before I attempted it, but still...
>>29321133
yes join air force or navy for smart people things.
Something to consider for people in my situation that I don't see very often in these threads. The Simultaneous Membership Program. I did 4 years in college and then dropped out to focus on my business and now want to join the military. If you join ROTC and Nasty Girls at the same time you get twice the benefits and your commission will override the National Guard contract when you graduate
>>29321133
>>29321247
>Mureenz is so dum lol
If you enlist, you will not be doing things that require thinking. No matter the branch, no matter the job. Every single thing you do will be according to a standardized procedure that you will be trained and qualified to perform.
Officers make decisions, enlisted follow instructions.
If you want to go into an agency after military service, the only real good thing is that the GI Bill will pay for your college education, because a degree is far more desirable than military experience.
I say, if you want to be a Marine, be a Marine. There's no need to join the Air Force and spend the rest of your life wishing you'd been a Marine instead.
How hard does a top secret clearance look at your past?
If you're a white male from the midwest with no debt or criminal record, is the guy checking your background going to care enough to dig up, say, your history of drug use, or you being a problem child and being expelled in the 7th grade?
Can you carry tissue around in basic for the Army? My grass allergies always fuck with me and I want my nose game to be on 10 for all the female recruits.
>>29319736
Check out the stats on people who get accepted by the board. For non-prior service they're only taking stem majors with a 3.5+ gpa... yeah I know the national average is only 2.8.
Sucks but that is the way things are currently.
>>29321536
That wasn't even a good try. Come back with something better.
>>29321133
If you want to work alphabet, realize that 95% of TLA jobs are analyst/desk jobs that go to two types of people: college grads with STEM degrees or multiple languages, and ex-military analysts who got clearances and real-world intelligence experience riding a desk in the military.
SOF coolguy -> Agency gig isn't as typical as movies would make it seem. There aren't many field jobs in civilian orgs, which is why those guys usually either stay in the military until retirement or go PMC.
>>29321970
This
It isn't like cowadooty where some random general is walking around watching people train, then picks someone to join the CIA because he shoots gud.
Do some research. The agencies oftentimes hold information sessions on many college campuses. Find one and attend.
>>29321438
p-pls
>>29322305
>>29321438
I only had a secret and they looked at my elementary, middle and high school. So I would imagine that yes, they will find out you were expelled.
I'm only guessing but I would think that is a big deal. You have to be a pretty massive edgelord to get kicked out of a school, maybe that will make you look like a liability.
>>29312638
You're right. He'll bring about a new era of world peace and fix everything that is broken about the US.
>>29313290
>The reason rich people don't usually run for office is because f the number it can do to your reputation.
Are you serious?
>>29322305
You can thrive for about a year on your interim but if you have anything to hide, they will find it eventually. It doesn't matter if you are John Rambo, if you falsify your application, you are put out like trash day. Oh, you saved the world? Great. You are no longer qualified for this position.
What happened to all the very helpful trips that used to be in these threads?
>>29322442
If you're talking about all the deppers, they shipped off to basic and then failed out.
>>29322269
>The agencies oftentimes hold information sessions on many college campuses. Find one and attend.
This.
>>29321285
>because a degree is far more desirable than military experience.
This.
>>29321970
>If you want to work alphabet, realize that 95% of TLA jobs are analyst/desk jobs
That's not necessarily true. Collections, like acquisitions, is much more appealing to policy makers and managers than analysis, and it's analogous counterpart maintenance.
Analysis is extremely important but it takes a back seat to collections because it's not as "sexy". So there's a lot of work there.
>that go to two types of people: college grads with STEM degrees or multiple languages
People really overestimate the qualifications here. Someone having a STEM degree or knowing multiple languages doesn't inherently make them a better analyst. As part of a special program at my university I met with a junior CIA analyst who would have been my civilian counterpart before I got out of the military, she was a psych major in her undergrad and got her MA in anthropology.
And she spoke exactly one language, English.
People really underestimate the amount of maintenance you must keep up to maintain a language at any proficiency that would get you hired for that language. That's why agencies and military branches recruit specifically for linguists.
The fictional spook who can speak ten dialects of Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, and Russian and is also a Physics PhD, Olympic level athlete, and super operator but decided to become an all source analyst and sit on an account looking at Burundi for two years is exactly that, fictional.
>ex-military analysts who got clearances and real-world intelligence experience riding a desk in the military.
Sort of. CIA for example is exempt from veteran preference for hiring. But straight from the mouth of an analyst manager: experience in the military can't hurt, but if you're otherwise not what we're looking for it's not going to get you hired.
>>29322496
How can someone fail basic...
Anyways, I remember there used to be a LOT of helpful trips when I frequented these threads last June and now there's no one.
>>29322556
maybe i will start tripfagging
>>29322556
They were false flags. There is a reason the idiom of "don't believe everything you read" exists.
I'm ten year veteran with two tours of combat. No matter how many times I get asked, my response remains - it is your experience. You deal with it your own way.
>>29322505
>The fictional spook who can speak ten dialects of Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, and Russian and is also a Physics PhD, Olympic level athlete, and super operator but decided to become an all source analyst and sit on an account looking at Burundi for two years is exactly that, fictional.
I want to touch on this again:
Like, you guys realize when you watch spy movies or read spy novels that, for example, the protagonist being able to speak the language at a native level and being great at all kinds of things are plot devices, right?
I just want to make it clear that a lot of this BS people who never worked in the IC put out about who gets hired and what they do is based off of fiction.
>>29322442
>What happened to all the very helpful trips that used to be in these threads?
Aside from the previously mentioned deppers who didn't know anything in the first place but answered questions anyway, my guess would be that the few others left rather than deal with 20 questions about weed per thread.
Probably 75% of MEG threads are posts about clearances and specific unicorn MOS. Those mostly go unanswered. Pretty much everything else gets an answer.
>>29321906
sounds like someone wasn't on fleek in basic- i really dont think it'll be a problem but im still wondering
>>29322787
just spit it out onto the ground, have you never played sports? tom brady is a goddamn winner, he doesn't use tissues
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSKCN0WM0QC
Happening?
>>29322807
Depends which branch you're joining.
Spit on the ground in Marine boot and you're going to receive a chest punch followed by a half hour of IT.
>>29322807
>>29323827
specifically Army- I don't want to mess up my J's since I can bring shoes n shit to basic
>>29322639
For real
If someone has been in for less than say three years take anything they say with a grain of salt, particularly career advice.
It is pretty dumb to be planning your career from the advice of someone on their first enlistment who has not separated or has never been to any advanced courses for their mos. And of course if they are in a mos that has no advanced courses then they're probably too dumb to be giving advice anyway.
>>29322556
Probably fatty neckbeards who get there and refuse to train after deciding it is too hard. That is the only situation I can imagine where someone would drop.
>>29323863
Do whatever the fuck you want. Face the consequences like a man.
>>29321839
is that pilots or all rated slots? im okay with RPA and CSO too. either way, ive got a lot of work ahead of me.
>>29323902
Average for pilots is composite scores 95+ and a 3.6, rated like flight nurses and physicians get in pretty much automatically, line officer average is 77+ composite score and a 3.5.
The Air Force and guard are also starting to enforce degree limitations for jobs. For cyber you have to have a CS, CE or IT degree and if not then you need 25 units of coursework in those disciplines.
Getting commissioned in the Air Force is no joke. If that is your goal then you need to take it seriously.
>>29322639
This has been my experience in /meg/ as well. The large majority of the people in these threads are all kids who are thinking about joining and a few deppers all giving each other retarded advice they got second and third-hand.
There are only like three or four vets and people actively serving who come in here.
>>29323963
Interesting, thank you. EE isnt acceptable for cyber? I'll consider a minor in CS.
>>29324019
The following is the posting that the Air Force and guard use for cyber positions:
"Bachelor of Science undergraduate degree in one of the following disciplines is mandatory; Computer science;
cyberspace security; computer or systems engineering; mathematics; information systems; or
information security/assurance. Graduate academic degrees in the above disciplines will also be considered.
Officers not meeting above academic degree requirements shall have a minimum of 24 credit hours (200-level
equivalent or higher) of science courses, to include but not limited to, courses in telecommunications and computer
science."
I was looking up videos of TACP shit on youtube, and saw some guys wearing boonie hats. What are the regs on boonie hats? Would wear/10
>>29324150
>What are the regs on boonie hats?
While I was in Iraq everyone wore boonies instead of PCs.
In Kuwait it was discouraged by the CoC after we switched from USF-I to ARCENT.
>>29324358
Are you allowed to wear it at your duty station?
>>29324384
>Are you allowed to wear it at your duty station?
For a long time unless you were in the motor pool the duty day head gear was the black beret (if you weren't airborne , Ranger Regiment, or SF). Right before I got out it switched back to PC (Patrol Cap) at the commander's discretion.
The only time I put one on my head state side a SGM told me to take it off.
>>29324431
gee durnit
>>29324431
>(if you weren't airborne , Ranger Regiment, or SF)
To clarify, airborne qualified personnel in an airborne unit wear the maroon beret, RR wears the tan beret (since big Army took the black beret and gave it to everyone), and SF wears whatever they want.
Additionally, the cav wears Stetsons, and Army Cyber teams wear fedoras (if they ever go outside).
my birthday is during basic
will I get cake ?
>>29324706
i think mine will be too, should i just not say anything to anybody about it?
>>29324545
>and Army Cyber teams wear fedoras (if they ever go outside).
You kek, but...
>>29324706
There's cake in the DFACs at basic.
Go ahead, eat some. What's the worst that could happen?
>>29325177
kek'd and chek'd
In Boot camp, whats the running PT like? Is it running as hard and fast as you can or is it jogging at a pace?
Is working on a submarine miserable no matter what you do, or is mostly just miserable if you go nuke?
>>29325854
Branch-specific question is branch-specific.
>>29325854
anon attended Army BCT 11/08-2/09 here.
PT was conducted according to FM 21-20. You run through diagnostic fitness tests, then are assigned an ability group during conditioning runs. You will do every kind of running you can imagine. Shuttle runs for warm up, running in place, sprints to build endurance, bodyweight squats and lunges for speed. Get used to running on paved roads.
Don't be afraid of running. I started in group D, graduated BCT in group B. I went from a skinnyfat civilian with a 23 minute two mile before basic to a 13 minute two mile at the end of AIT. Whatever you achieve, be proud of it.
I wouldn't recommend the Army to anyone.
>>29326864
that's a fuckin nice 2 mile dog, had 12:50 as a trackfag
>>29326864
mines 17 minutes right now
fuck
i just need less than 13:30 for 1.5 miles but its so disheartening to be so slow, ideally i want at least good which is 12 minute 1.5miles
Will SOF still take an enthusiastic and in shape 29 year old?
>28 is the cut off barring a waver
>>29326883
Thanks m8. AIT was at Corry, 1 mi down and back on almost perfectly level paved street. I separated after 7 years and now I look like pic related. Showing up to college at 34 with GI Bill and dad bod, can't wait.
>>29326883
18 y/o out of shape fag here, how long will it take to go from 9 minute mile to 7 minute mile?
>>29301492
too bad those poppies are flowering...
>>29326920
you need a waiver you answered your own question. its possible to get one
>>29326939
are you fat? or asthmatic? (not ridiculing, need to know)
>>29326962
Not asthmatic. I'm at about 20% bf right now but I'm cutting
>>29326956
My question is more regarding the difficulty of getting said waiver.
>>29326934
c'mon man, once you've done it once it's easy to get back in shape, just find a running buddy
>>29326972
height/weight? shouldn't take long at all, i ran a 5:40 as an asthmatic druggie my first time. (insane amount of effort into that tho)
>>29326761
Navy?
>>29327005
6'2" 185lbs
I just need to meet the minimums for the TACP PAST for now, then I can worry about getting into good enough shape to make it through the schoolhouse
I am posting to voice my advice to others who may be considering enlisting (I know, this was my first mistake). I joined the Navy as a nuke (ET for those who care). It has been the worst decision I think I've ever made. I'm a few months in and it hasn't gotten better so don't tell me it will.
I am going to seek a mental discharge it is so bad. Nothing has ever made me feel this way. I've never been so close to ending it all.
That's not to say it isn't for anyone. Some people here are able to convince themselves it's all OK and that they made a good choice. If you can do that, or have legitimate reasons for joining, you might make it.
If you are considering Navy, stay away from this hell. And DONT DO IT FOR THE MONEY.
>>29327022
you probably just don't know how to push yourself at all, to be honest. you should be able to have a very quick mile/two mile soon. don't worry about cutting, you need to build up muscle mass, don't bulk tho, just eat normally. find a training buddy and start really pushing yourself and running long distances
>>29326981
Thanks for the encouraging words anon. I have no friends here, but I can figure out a Jungian shadow self split personality situation to start. Also, need to cut the drinking to zero. You punks and your healthy cardiovasculars and no unquenchable rage. >:|
You're alright, guy.
>>29327069
i think thats my biggest problem, i cant push myself and especially when doing shit like bench im afraid the weights will fall on me
>training buddy
>>29327034
I knew a guy who was some kind of sub crewman - slit his wrists the attention seeking way like three times before they sepped him with a bcd. Nine years later he still can't get steady work and lives with his parents.
Imo, quit being a bitch and suck it up because taking the easy way out will ruin your life.
>>29326761
Anon who posted here.
Army. I do have asthma but it doesn't affect my ability to run unless i do it for a long ass time.
>>29327074
nigga i used speed and had a 90 rhr and ran a 5:05 mile, just believe in yourself and you can do anything. or alternatively you could just get really strong at the gym
>>29327098
bitch how old are you? if you're still in hs get some damn friends, even if you don't like them. friends are damn useful.
>>29327069
Cool, thank you sir. I'll try and find a training partner but I'm moving to bumfuck nowhere countryland so I may just have to learn to push myself
>>29327098
Time yourself on your different types of runs. Get a known distance and time yourself.
Take note of weights, sets, reps. Don't increase weight too much, esp. with bench. Just up your reps or sets and mark your progress. You will see progress.
Compete against your own numbers. You're already training, and that's great!
>>29327120
college graduate
>>29327134
i dunno how to help you, i'm just a hs graduate neet right now
>>29327130
same fucking boat my friend
>>29327103
I can still get a ELS so it will be like I never joined (kinda). I would rather say I failed at something then hate my life for the next 5 years
>>29327158
Fuck that noise.
My time in the military l got me to where I am now. I went to a state school, got pell grants, worked and collected my e5 bah. I was probably getting around $8500/mo. Now I get vet preference for every job.
It is such a small price to pay in order to set yourself up for life.
>>29327303
I guess I'm too negative about everything to look that far into the future. I really don't care about money. I just want enough to buy guns, books, and eventually some land in Alaska. I don't need the military to make that kind of money.
The stress isn't worth it to me. I'm a loser I know, but it was also a mistake on my part
>>29327362
jesus christ shut the fuck up with your goddamn pity party, it's called serving for a reason. what do you want us to do, feel sorry for you? everyone knows nuke is shit sometimes
>>29327362
If you say so.
Hopefully you won't regret your decision down the road, finding yourself either unemployable or living paycheck to paycheck.
>>29327433
I just wanted to tell people that they should have legitimate reasons for wanting to serve. Doing it for the money is not a good reason and I should have listened to everyone I talked to.
Thank you for your service.
>>29327465
ah okay, nvm, misunderstood your purpose here.
Does anyone have experience with enlisting after being on antidepressants and ADHD meds for a while? I currently take fluoxetine, adderall, and resperidone (1 mg helps me sleep). How easy is it to get past the medical exam for the Air Force?
>>29327465
Reading your story has made at least one anon be happy that he chose IT instead of Nuke, like his recruiters were trying to shill him into.
So at least you've got that going for you. Buck up, champ. You can make it.
>>29327529
Your only chance at enlisting involves MANNING THE FUCK UP, quitting the literal jewish sugar pills, and lying through your teeth that you've never been depressed nor taken medication for depression.
>>29327034
>guize being a grownup is hard why do I have to work for my tendies
>>29327034
>I'm a few months in
Wouldn't that mean you're still barely in "a" school you fag?
>>29327855
you got me. I want chicken fingers instead of a decent life. Keep working for whatever your goal is. I hope your green paper keeps you company when you die.
>>29327879
literally every instructor and actual nuke in the fleet I've talked to says it's the same. I can't force myself to do this shit for another 6 years
>>29315084
My time before this was 10:30ish, which is just getting into the good enough category. Don't like running.
>>29327904
I have a literally autistic friend who is now in nuke prototype school. Stop being a pussy
>>29327904
Man if you can't even handle the first school then maybe the military and learning in general just isn't for you
>>29327991
That's why he's doing well, friend.
>>29328001
Yeah, you think? I mean, I can't believe Cpt. Obvious didn't point that one out
>>29328015
No he's doing well because he's not a little pansy who backs out when things are difficult. I'm with the other guy, I think learning just isn't for you.
Not sure why you'd go for nuke in the first place. A job search reveals like fifteen position in the entire country, seems like a pretty stupid choice if your plan was to use it to set yourself up for a career.
Plus, the fucking technician jobs only pay like $52k.
>>29328155
I was lost and looking for anything. The recruiters made it seem like it was good choice. I now know it wasn't and hate myself for making this kind of decision.
>>29328182
Eating your way out will probably end better for you than suicide attempts; you'll get a general under honorable rather than a bad conduct.
I have never known anyone who purposely tried to get out so I have no idea what "ELS" is.
>>29328155
I don't think most expect to land some six figure job right out of the Navy. Though there are plenty of fields willing to hire nukes.
>>29328323
Examples please. It seems like nukes are going to be fighting for same jobs as all the other technicians the military outputs as far as I can tell.
Choosing to be a nuke looks like a practically worthless endeavor compared to all the other useful technician fields.
Is reenlistment possible after receiving an uncharacterized discharge for something that could possibly be wavered?
>>29328656
Your separation paperwork should say one way or another.
>>29328400
Bumping for this. I've heard job prospects are good but largely overstated.
>>29328732
I'm so glad i didn't fall for the nuke meme
Going in the navy as an AC 8)
>>29328714
I do not have my paperwork. I am not sure what my discharge or separation code was, but it was an EPTS and I feel the condition may have healed.
Apachebro checking in to the nightly /meg/ shitshow
>>29301549
I just don't give advice when they frog post.
>>29328841
You can either talk to a recruiter or else request a copy of your personnel file from the human resources command of your branch of service.
