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what went wrong?
>>29288432
Your dad didn't just make your mother swallow
>>29288442
at least i have a dad
>>29288445
Only in the biological sense.
>>29288451
you have none in the literal sense, you asexual jellyfish.
>>29288432
powered flight was mistake
Bless you /k/.
This thread went from 0 - shit in less than 2 posts.
>>29288432
F35 made it abandonware which is sad. F22 was probably the last fighter program done right.
Wanting to make it good at everything.
Followed by cronyism.
>>29288432
187
>>29288548
meh. literally the third time I've seen this thread about the F-22, copy pasta. seen it at least a dozen times now about other systems. old copy pasta lazy bait is bullshit. at least try.
in the great pantheon of dick slobbering OPs that can't go five seconds without sheathing a pork sword in their stink sheath, you, OP, are surely the most cum infused.
>>29288648
>3 words
>copy pasta
>>29288442
First post, best post.
man it's gonna be impossible for america to come back from such a blow. the f-35 is commonwealth tier. how does that make you feel?
>>29288432
Export ban.
>>29289004
Oddly enough, I haven't been able to find the defacto export ban with the past couple of National Defense Authorization Acts, but it doesn't seem like anything's going to come of it.
>>29288513
Powered flight is a meme- see this Blacktail video on the future of military hot-air balloons that is being held back by the MIC and the fighter jock culture at USAF
Government bureaucracy. It was made to make money for specia intersects instead of replace the f15. That's why it took so long, went over budget and was made in so many places.
>>29288672
that's why you're a lazy cunt.
>>29288432
POGO
The USAF doesn't have a Mobius 1.
I don't own one
187
>>29288624
>>29292228
187 more than are needed. Whose gen5 fighter are they going up against that we need to send out a hundred and eighty seven of these against?
Fuck, might as well convert them to a2g to finally replace the A10 for CAS. They've already got a gun, don't they?
Or maybe put electronic warfare kits on, the F22 growler...
What point is there in advanced fighters? Don't the armaments do 95% of the work?
Shouldn't the logical strategy just be more f22's?
Am I missing something important? What is the point in improving aerodynamics, maneuverability, or the engine when all you need to worry about is making sure other nation's flying missile platform's missiles don't hit your flying missile platform?
>>29292762
>Shouldn't the logical strategy just be more f22's?
Not when they cost 3 times more than the F-35.
Research Hi-Lo strategy vis-a-vis the F-15 and F-16 in the late 70's. Also realize that the F-22 is designed primarily for the air superiority role. Anything else it can do is not necessary to it's design mission, only gravy. The F-35 is designed to do every other mission while F-22s provide top cover (and even then the F-35 is designed to support F-22s and provide CAP itself).
>>29292762
>all you need to worry about is making sure other nation's flying missile platform's missiles don't hit your flying missile platform?
The whole point of achieving air superiority and reducing IADS with SEAD/DEAD is so that you can get bombs on enemy C4SIR, logistics and troop concentrations. The F-22 handles the air superiority, the F-35 does everything else.
>>29292823
>Not when they cost 3 times more than the F-35.
inherently superior cost due to design, or just less shit contracts?
>>29292855
>inherently superior cost due to design, or just less shit contracts?
Far, far more technology and production risk and cost associated with (arguably) over exposure to far too advanced and unproven tech in the design/requirements stage.
Basically, it was too advanced at the time for the resources we were willing to put into it/need for it.
One excellent example of how this equation changes over time is the RAM coatings on the F-22 vs the F-35. The RAM coating on the F-22 had to be hand-applied in a clean room and by itself accounts for over 25% of the maintenance hours expended on keeping the F-22s in fighting trim. It is incredibly time intensive for all applications (though still an improvement over the even more time intensive F-117 and B-2 coatings, which require just as much/more maintenance and climate controlled storage). The F-35 coating, by contrast, is robot-applied (pic related), far easier on maintenance personnel (basically the bay door edges are taped with RAM material that is very easy and quick to remove and reapply for maintenance) and far more robust - designed to resist all climate and usage challenges including extended salt water exposure.
Basically our production and operational systems have caught up with and surpassed the bleeding edge lab tech that developed into the F-35. It's not just what you can build in a lab, it's what you can effectively mass produce and keep running.
>>29292855
>>29292919
I should also note that several features of the F-22 do dictate greater cost due to greater capability as well, but it by no means accounts for the full difference in cost (either procurement or operational). Features in this category include:
>dual engines
>much larger airframe (size is still directly correlated to cost)
>three weapons bays instead of two, and two of those much more complicated
>thrust vectoring, although this is a cost wash when comparing with the F-35B
several other things necessary for air superiority focus but not necessarily essential for a multi-role.
>>29292919
>>29292946
RAM process with an F-22 (this is actually the outer paint layer, which is part of the overall coating, but you get the picture)
$ & #
>>29292263
>need
As the russiaboos 50 centers love to point out, their fighters have never been up against actual modern fighters, so the specs on those fighters are still unknown. We can guess what they are capable of, but unless we capture or steal one, its always better to be prepared.
>>29292762
The last time we didn't have technologically superior aircraft, Pearl Harbor happened.
>>29293708
If we stole one of the completed Russian Gen5 fighters, we'd have 1 more than they do.
Bringing our Gen5 numerical advantage to 188:0
