How could Britain improve? We've already got pretty much the best of everything in the world. Type 23s could maybe do with replacing though.
>>29267036
Get rid of your Muslim and Migraints and uncuck yourselves.
>>29267036
even the RAAF has P-6s (737s that drop missiles/torpedos) so right there they have a better air force than you
>>29267036
Sufficient equipment acquisitions, enough personell and training, and an operations budget that lets the British military operate as a coherent force capable of long term action, rather than the hollowed out paper tiger it is now.
>>29267036
>ski jump
>no force projection
>mediocre 4.5 gen aircraft
>tiny Navy
>tiny airforce
>tiny ground force
>Chally 2 hasn't had a good upgrade in decades
>rifled barrel with HESH, no proper penetrator.
Gee OP, I dunno what they need to improve.
>>29267044
Yes and as of the latest SDSR the UK is buying 9, and they are a tiny island not a continent.
>>29267044
*P-8
It's not sexy but it's probably one of the most important aircraft an air force can have. This is the thing that would conceivably be mass produced (since it's a 737 airframe) to be used to sink fleets or bomb cities. Hence why Australia is the first non-US country to get them
>>29267044
We're getting 9 and we have the Navy, Airforce and Army to go with them.
>>29267061
I was under the impression the SDSR nixed it due to cost and were going with MRA4s. Apparently I'm wrong:
http://news.usni.org/2015/11/23/new-u-k-defense-plan-britain-plans-to-buy-p-8-poseidons-commits-to-f-35-procurement
>>29267049
If you're going to get all butthurt and point out flaws, at least make sure they're all correct
>>29267049
>>no force projection
Blue water Navy and bases all around the world...
>>mediocre 4.5 gen aircraft
F35 that suits our needs
>>tiny Navy
>>tiny airforce
>>tiny ground force
Tiny country? Don't compare us to Americas bloated and corrupt armed forces. We have huge amounts for our size.
>>Chally 2 hasn't had a good upgrade in decades
M1 Abrams is currently getting BTFO in the middle east by guys wearing sandals
>>29267084
>Saudi export models with M1A1 tier armor and incompetent crew are getting destroyed
Gee, who would have guessed? Doesn't change the facts about the Chally.
>>29267081
If you're going to say someone's argument had flaws, the least you could do is list where they are instead of being vague.
>>29267084
>>Chally 2 hasn't had a good upgrade in decades
M1 Abrams is currently getting BTFO in the middle east by guys wearing sandals.
How are these two remotely related.
F-35 is an upgrade but your airforce is still laughable. Just like your blue water Navy.
Not really. A lot of our shit is second class at best.
>improve
- Leave EU
- codified constitution written by people who value freedom and aren't pussies
- Scrap NHS
- Cut welfarce
- Do something about overpopulation
- Stop turd world immigration
- Repeal authoritarian laws already in existence
- Get rid of 'lad' and binge drinking culture
- Get rid of celebrity worship
- Stop London from being the cultural powerbase, it's too big of a shithole
- Devolve more power away from West Minster to local government.
- Find a way to reverse the politically correct, socialist, urbanite anti-independent brainwashing that kills our society and pushes their agenda
For a start.
>>29267103
Why bother, if you actually believe that list nothing is going to convince you otherwise.
Even if I point out that the UK is the only nation in Europe to have go on operations alone and have all the force projection to back it up in recent years, you'll find some way to steer it back to not having the US oiler fleet like a turbonerd.
>>29267036
>Type 23s could maybe do with replacing though
They're replacing them with 2 classes of frigates: the Type 26 and the Type 31
Type 23 is still one of the most advanced ASW frigates in the world though. In spite of their age they've had some good upgrades with Sonar 2087 and the Artisan 3D radar
>>29267124
So why did you even bother posting in the first place.
>>29267036
C U C K R A M P S
U C K R A M P S
C K R A M P S
K R A M P S
R
A
M
P
S
>>29267147
To let you know how much of a turbonerd you are, of course :^)
>>29267121
I'll vote for you on those policies.
Maybe not scrapping the NHS. It's a good system but it needs reworking. Too many people abuse it for personal gains (titties) and fat people shouldn't be given help unless they prove they can change themselves.
We need people that value freedom more. People are too reliant on the government.
>>29267109
>blue water Navy.
>laughable
You realise only three nations in the world have a high ranking (1-2) blue water Navy?
>>29267147
He hoped you weren't an jingoistic moron I guess.
>>29267160
Yeah and yours, at the end of the day, isn't capable of surviving in hostile waters. Further more while I won't call it a joke the QE has some serious deficiencies.
>>29267175
>Yeah and yours, at the end of the day, isn't capable of surviving in hostile waters.
Why is that? Elaborate my Ameritard friend.
>>29267154
>People are too reliant on the government.
Not just the government; on everything. This country is built around having oranisations to do everything for you, it costs a huge amount of money and strips people of valuable and essential life skills. It's now so bad that people couldn't even feed themselves for a short time if supermarkets closed up. 70 years ago it was standard that even people in towns would keep chickens and maybe a pig, they would have a vegetable patch and make preserves.
And I honestly believe health insurance is the better way to go. People don't realise just how much of out money spent or lost is to tax. It all adds up across the board and the vast majority of that tax money goes to the NHS and to welfare. It's an enormous and unjustified ammount, care for the elderly is one thing but when the NHS and emergency services are stretched to the limit every Friday and Saturday night because people decide to abandon all personal responsibility, pissed up, and act like a fucking under-evolved ape is another.
>>29267042
It's not the Muslims and Pakis who are the problem it's the Polish
>>29267036
>Type 45
>best
I'd take a flight I DDG-51 over it any day of the week tbqh
>>29267036
Not letting 1000's of children get raped per year.
>>29267063
Think India has a gimped version of them already.
>>29267084
>Don't compare us to Americas bloated and corrupt armed forces. We have huge amounts for our size.
>m-m-m-muh america is corrupt!
kek
France would crush you 1v1 and even Italy is on par.
>>29267063
>P-8
>sink fleets
>bomb cities
Tiny af fleets maybe or a hut somewhere if it crashes into it.
>>29267150
Yeah, thank God my squeeze likes turbonerds.
>>29267223
>France would crush you 1v1 and even Italy is on par.
Vietnam did crush you 1v1 though
>>29267241
Oh shiiiit
>>29267241
Americans BTFO!
>>29267241
Don't forget they also got wrecked 1v1 by 19 guys with box cutters
>>29267223
French would choke and die, Italy are a fucking joke.
Brits would shit on both of them.
>>29267241
>>29267254
Ahaha
Americans on suicide watch
>>29267036
Dissolve BAE systems.
>>29267241
Inb4 Americans claiming they won when they got literally chased into the sea.
>>29267241
Inb4 "muh bodycount" as a justification that they "won".
>>29267256
Have fun with dat foreign legion bro.
>>29267175
And other than the US what navy could? Whilst also supporting it?
The RN isn't anywhere close to the USN. It is still better than any other navy out there though.
>>29267256
Have fun dealing with dat foreign legion bro. They don't go down easy.
>>29267272
>>29267285
Jesus I hate mobile
>>29267271
>What is the Paris Peace Accords
>>29267241
I didn't know that there were any Norwegians in Vietnam. Thank you for this brilliant history lesson britcuck
>>29267285
Foreign legion are about on par with Para's and RM.
French and brit forces are of comparable quality with a few differance. Brits being an island have a better navy and force projection, the french have a larger army.
>>29267241
Hahaha
>>29267241
Lmfao let the butthurt begin
>>29267194
Yeah, I agree with you actually. You're not wrong about the NHS I guess.
Hand based skills are going down the shitter. My girlfriend wanted an apple crate, was willing to shell out £20 for a rotten piece of shit. I built one for free. Reclaimed screws and wood from the dump. It's not hard. You're right people can't function without a system. I can't wait until I finish my dissertation and hand it in next week. I'm going to spend the summer building stuff, renovating my mothers 1930s van, shooting and doing archery on the farm. Gonna be great.
I think a key issue for us is a lack of respect for our history. Even as far back as the mid 2000s when I was in school the teachers were talking about how evil the empire was, how all those cities and hospitals we built people were oppressive.
Whatever happened to some pride. I like how much attention help for heroes gets now though
>>29267036
The British Military is at top form for its current budget. I can speak on how the Army is doing and at the moment there isn't any real issues. The Challenger 2 not being upgraded is due to how we believe wars will be like for the next decade or two. Since Afghanistan was mostly light tank action with the Warrior APCs and Scimitar ARVs doing the armoured fighting. Since then the Army have bought new ARVs with the AJAX (known as the SCOUT SV before) to replace the Scimitar. The Royal Armoured Corps alongside the new focus on Light Armoured tanks adopted the new role of Light Cavalry to serve as Light Recce. Warrior is getting one last upgrade package otherwise nothing is changing there. Infantry wise it's just the same courses as usual with lessons learned from Afghanistan.
The Navy is not doing so well currently as during a time of defence cuts unlike the Air Force and Army they elected to cut more Enlisted Sailors than officers and they were left with a crippling shortage. This has led to the basic training time of the Navy to get slashed in half just to get numbers up as fast as possible. The Fleet Air Arm got Merlin helicopters from the RAF and are awaiting the new multi-role (ha) F35. The Submarine service has been faced with recruiting issues as well due to the massive cuts in personnel.
The Royal Air Force is doing alright at the moment, using Typhoons for strikes against ISIS in the middle east and are also going to get some F35s. But it seems they are keen on using the Typhoon mainly at this point.
>>29267241
>>29267243
>>29267249
>>29267254
>>29267260
>>29267266
>>29267271
>all 1 minute apart
>not a single new poster added to the thread during this time
Don't samefag so obviously, it's unseemly.
>>29267339
RAF and RN did better out of the last SDSR than the Army.
>start strategic bomber program
>get a proper ICBM shield and sandwich them with multilayered air defence
>upgrade chally 2 main gun
>more type 25 and queen lizzie aircraft carrier
>establish artic fleet
>establish south atlantic fleet
you could try replacing that grapefruit launcher on your main battle tank for starters
>>29267339
Can Eurofighters even designate targets for themselves yet?
>>29267121
Did you forget you're a nation of subjects to rhe crown not citizens?
>>29267036
As a Brit... Why would you start this thread? You know it's just going to lead to a tonne of shitposting by people from both sides who don't really know what they're talking about but believe they do. And, as usual, everything will be viewed in the context of a country that spends our annual defence budget every week or something insane like that.
For the resources we have and the operations we're expecting to carry out, we are in a good place.
>>29267049
>Chally upgrade situation
As it becomes more and more apparent that MBTs are falling out of fashion, the need to spend vast sums updating what is an adequate (note: not amazing) tank diminishes. Note the recent investment in replacing CVR(T) - light armour is the future for us because it's much easier to project overseas.
>>29267121
>scrapping the NHS
Honestly I like the NHS. It's done me well. I do think that people who self-inflict should be denied treatment (and if you're too fat to work you should get the bare minimum of benefits, if any) and the Needless expenditure on middle management needs to be controlled but scrapping it is the wrong approach.
>>29267036
Better ABM systems.
>>29267084
You have naval bases around the world but few ships between them.
>>29267390
My passport says I'm a citizen. The Crown has nothing to do with policy.
Try harder
>>29267036
There's no reason you should have more than 2x as many admirals than you have ships.
>>29267418
>19 active ships
>40 admirals
>260 captains
Why?
>>29267406
The navy needs to get bigger. As do the rest of the forces. MOD always seems to go for quality rather than quantity. So whilst individual units are often as good as is possible at their jobs, we have too few to establish enough concentration of mass to win against a major nation in dependantly (apart from destroying there navy).
MOD thinking is that wars in future will be small (and constant) small scale independent actions with any large scale stuff being done within nato.
>>29267401
Those people hate NHS because they have to pay for fucking life insurance and are jealous because NHS works wonders while their obamacare went to shit
>>29267036
Bait as fuck. Burgers beware.
Acquire some actual assault rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv0_dK6WEiA
>>29267206
yes, not the chop-chop happy dindus, its poor Siemkaski cleaning the toilets while demanding concessions, special food and prayer rooms.... wait a second...
Daily reminder the Type 45 literally does not work
>>29267206
sure m8
the poles waiting outside ur daughters schools trying to drug & rape them
>>29267036
>Hammond asking /k/ for advice
For god's sake, man.
>>29267443
NHS works wonders? lol
NHS is a giant pile of shit that survives only because all the doctors/nurse are foreigners now
Even then, you have substantially lower cancer survival rates, longer wait times, and are worse off in every other measurable way
but at least its free huh?
>>29267484
Hang on, it has no Torps or towned Sonar array?
Is this a joke?
>>29267036
I fucking hate these threads.
Always. Always filled with asinine shitposting of both /pol/ memery and ill informed posters.
Educated British defence commentators on this side of the web are practically non-existent, meaning there's very few who can argue the miisconceptions and asshattery.
>>29267461
Now, the A1 had some real problems but holy shit what is so hard about "don't ride the cocking handle forward" and "tap assist". Shitty handling and fucking awful IA drills from those visiting soldiers.
>>29267513
The Type 45 is not a ASW asset, though it comes with either two Lynx HMA8s or one Merlin HM1. Both great sub hunters.
The ASW hunting is for the Type 23.
>>29267557
Surely they could fit them regardless? Was it bean counters screwing the Navy over?
>>29267589
Not him but I think the 1 or 2 helicopters are enough for hunting subs.
>>29267589
If you're directly engaging submarines with torpedoes from surface vessels that aren't simple patrol boats you've already really, really fucked up
>>29267593
Typically you have 1 helo out, 1 refueling/prepping and then you use the ships towed or bow array to triangulate the target.
>>29267589
Why?
The Type 45 is a AAW asset, anything else would be mission creep. They only exist to act as the shield of a CBG for AA and do a damn fine job of it.
>>29267596
Why are so many ships set up like that then? Will the T26 forego them because of what you just said?
>>29267624
Because you don't willfully hunt subs like that...? Everyone in the world follows this practise. USN included.
>>29267623
Does the missile system actually work now?
Are they all finally fitted with Harpoons?
Have they finished repairing and modifying them so they don't overload all their systems and shutdown dead in the water?
If it's sole job is air defence, why does it have half the number of VLS compared to a Burke?
>>29267063
>It's not sexy but it's probably one of the most important aircraft an air force can have.
ASW is very important, yes. Especially for Australia, with China et al fucking around nearby.
>>29267206
The mudslimes alone account for 30% of crime in England. Don't think the Polish are anywhere near that bad.
>>29267241
>bomb them until they begged for peace
>too afraid to do anything until 2 years after we left
>lulz, you guyz lost
>>29267624
The Type 26 and Type 23s are a bit of a different breed. They're built like subs themselves- lots of sound dampening throughout, dual-mode propulsion that can run on electric only for a while (So no moving parts), sound-minimising hullform, screws designed to the same specs as submarines etc.
Subs are meant to have a hard time seeing them until it is far too late. But even they go for heli-launched torpedoes as their first line of offense.
>>29267084
You know what you britbongs don't have, that you should have? A decent fucking service rifle. The L85 is fucking trash; it took years of upgrades just to make it serviceable.
But everything else? You're good. Your entire armed forces are smaller than the US Marine Corps, true. But when you have a tiny military, you are free to be selective in who you hire. The US Army will hire absolute retards and give them retard jobs like driving forklifts or shoveling shit in Missouri. Y'all britbongs are free to hire only the best and brightest even for the shit jobs. Your forces aren't very big, but whatever task they DO get handed, they fucking do properly. Every significant military operation where the Brits ally with Americans, you've pulled your weight and more. Plus your increased spending on your navy - including an actual power projection asset in your new carrier + aircraft purchases - signal a renewed commitment to dealing with problems around the goddamned world instead of investing the minimum possible into domestic defense like a lot of European nations.
And this is coming from a rootin tootin point'n'shootin burgerlander. I don't know who it is who keeps making these "fuck England" threads; maybe some putin shill or fiddycenter, but fuck'em. When we call for help from our allies, we notice who fucking delivers, and Britain's there every damn time.
>>29267716
This. Leaving with South Vietnam intact and a peace treaty in place isn't what I'd call "BTFO."
>>29267734
>You know what you britbongs don't have, that you should have? A decent fucking service rifle. The L85 is fucking trash; it took years of upgrades just to make it serviceable.
The L85A2 apologists are going to come here now, and defend their awkwardly weighted crap kept together by cellotape.
>>29267036
Well, other than going CATOBAR for your carriers, your navy is fine. Only complaint is that it could be larger.
On the ground, the Challenger is a good tank, but as others have pointed out, it is due for an upgrade and a Smooth bore. Can't fire sabots out of a rifled barrel.
In the air, the Tornado could use some replacing with a better aircraft. If you want stealth, the F-35A is the choice. If you don't, I don't think anyone would complain if you got 100 F-15E, or whatever they would call it for the UK (F-15GB? F-15QELIZABETH II?).
>>29267754
But the A2 is fine.
Took far too much time and money to get it to this state, but for the time being it is fine. Money is far better off spent somewhere else until something significantly better comes along.
>>29267762
>>29267767
>But the A2 is fine.
The weapons the Americans use are better. We wasted our time fixing a shit, and while it is usable, it's subpar.
Anyway, isn't it going to be replaced as part of Army 2020?
>>29267734
Where were the Brits in Vietnam?
Pay attention to this thread, fellow Americans. All the problems mentioned that aren't directly military related will be our problems too in the next 20 or so years.
I can't make an accurate prediction of what the state of our military will be like, but it will likely be in a similar state as well. Anemic numbers of good, but under-integrated and under-utilized equipment.
>>29267767
Well, you certainly can fire sabots out of a smooth bore, but you lose performance. I get that you guys have that fetish for HESH rounds, but if you are sacrificing performance with the best AT rounds in use to obtain better performance with HESH, something might be going wrong.
>>29267802
The L85A2 will never be your problem, don't lie.
>>29267401
Bongistan doesn't need a large defense budget because they rely on being friendly with clapistan to keep them safe.
>>29267674
1. It has always work.
2. No, because those Harpoons were pulled from a retired class and again, ASuW is not part of the Type 45 remit. They are not multirole DDs like Burkes.
And much like any informed USN poster, they will tell you that ASuW is not normally left to a Burke but either aircraft or submarines.
3. The power outage happens under very particular circumstances. Mostly on the first of the class, HMS Daring and again any informed poster will tell you that the first in the class is rigged with problems.
When each Type 45 goes for mid-life refit they'll be getting new diesel generators to end this problem.
4. The tldr answer? We don't have the money.
The USA spends $598.5bn (unsure if this number includes OCO/supplemental2b one defence.
We spend $56.2bn on defence.
However, much like ESSM, our new missile for AAW can be quadpacked, allowing for us to have a very good number of short-medium missiles mixed in with our longer legged Aster 30 (with limited BMD ability).
This is also not including the upgrade space for an additional 16 strike length VLS.
>>29267781
"Officially" they never were involved, but Commonwealth forces saw action and indications are that a fair number of British soldiers were sent in with Australian and New Zealand forces.
>>29267781
We didn't ask for their help with a French colony, just like they didn't ask us for help in the Falklands.
Britain has pretty much always punched above its weight class with regards to the current world order.
Brits do fine by this burger. World economy has been shit, can't blame them for some cuts, especially now they are rebounding on that.
>>29267815
Especially when there are rounds like the AMP coming out that decreases the logistics footprint considerably.
>>29267781
Malaya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency
Oman, Indonesia, Kenya and Cyprus as well, but those were fairly small conflicts.
>>29267844
They were asked for help and refused.
>>29267518
as a british army cadet i dont understand how shit he is, the drills are simple
>>29267762
There's very good reasoning why we went with CATOBAR.
This report is a great outliner why:
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/10149-001-Carrier.full-report.pdf
To hate on the QE for being STOVL is as silly as calling the F35 a lemon because it isn't a slow and low CAS aircraft or the LCS for being under-armed.
Escort numbers are a problem and there's solutions to this being looked at such as rolling MCM/third rate ships into the light frigate budget for more hulls.
>>29267897
>army cadet
underage b&
Still, what do you mean by that?
>>29267841
*The USA spends $598.5bn (unsure if this number includes OCO/supplemental on defence)
>>29267897
>as a british army cadet
You need to be 18 to post here.
>>29267841
Just fucking with you mate, I'm sure they're breddy gud.
Type 26 when?
>>29267932
Think he means the post below:
>>29267549
The rifle has a number of problems with feeding, which while obviously are unacceptable have procedures to work with. The most important one is to not ride forward the cocking handle when making ready the weapon, as a slow and uneven bolt movement causes misfeeds, yet the soldier pictured often rides the handle forward, causing a painful number of misfeeds.
Second to this, is when using the cocking handle, after the bolt moves forward, you're supposed to forward assist - reach over the top of the rifle with your left hand and bang the cocking handle forward. These two tips together stops 99% of failures to feed but they weren't actioned here.
When the rifle does fail to fire, there are of course drills to clear it fast and reliable. While the soldier shown probably isn't familiar with the rifle, the instructor isn't doing anything to help either.
As I said in the original post, the A1 is fucking awful, and the A2 isn't a huge lot better, but at the same time this person is so badly undertrained in how to make the A1 work that it appears even worse than it is.
>>29267432
Exactly the issue with the Royal Navy. Unlike the Army and Air Force the Navy scrapped a shit ton of Enlisted. Keeping those Captains and Admirals instead. Poor leadership in the Navy caused this.
>>29267992
Building should start this year, we're just waiting on one more white paper -- some sort of national ship building plan.
>>29268007
Be far from me to defend bureaucracy, but those Captains and Admirals fill extremely important roles with liaising and advising within civil government, NGOs (UN, NATO) and allies.
If we were to cut their number we would be loosing out major opportunities for influence. There's good reason we're ranked as (top in three of them) one of the most influential countries for soft power.
>>29267241
US ended up pulling out of a country we were demolishing, after France left first because they're cucks. Only 30 years after the UK and France had to come crying at our feet for help :>
>>29267036
>Eurofighter and Tornado is such trash that they need a transport aircraft to stay in air.
>>29267754
Have you used it?
For a service rifle it does fine. A1 a shit but the A2, with decent magazines and a properly trained user is a fine weapon.
Personally, I like the balance. I've used M16A4s and M4s on a range, and they shoot well, but not noticeably better than the L85. It's a service rifle, not a match shooter.
>>29268189
This is true for Germany, but thats because they've apparently decided to just not bother maintaining aircraft.
>>29267880
As did the french with iraq. Allies don't need to agree all the time.
Both wars where a cluster fuck which should have been avoided
Man /k/ falls for these "some idiot pretends to be a bong and posts low quality bait to get heat on the Brits" threads every fucking time.
You're all embarrassments.
>>29267309
> the french have a larger army.
Larger is relative. Remember that the French Army includes the Paris Fire Brigade in its numbers (About 8,500 members) and France has no significant Air Force or Navy infantry assets adding to numbers outside that. The UK has the Royal Marines and (yes yes I know) the RAF Regiment. That adds on a good 10,000 extra men. In personnel size, the British and French Armies are actually very similar. The British however have a larger "deployable force" upper limit, owing to their superior expeditionary logistics. (Greater naval carriage, strategic airlifting, recent experience with deploying a good 40,000 men at a time)
When it comes to equipment though, the UK is definitely over the French in terms of high end kit for the Army. 50 MLRS as opposed to 3, vastly more combat engineering, more modern logistics and information networking, ATGM systems way in excess, vastly superior attack helos and a good third more tanks in service.
However this is not to say the French Army is bad. It is not. It is exceptional. They are fucking great. They're hard men, capable men and well trained men. They've got great tanks, an awesome new howitzer, an EXCEPTIONALLY good "light mechanised" tactical doctrine that has its shit squared away incredibly well. It's just that the British Army has been through the fucking ringer for the last 14 years or so of constant large deployments and has the new shiny kit to show for it on the other side because fo all the UORs.
>>29267507
>more cost effective
>less complicated system
>higher patient satisfaction
>better accessibility
>more readily available primary care
>higher infant survivability rate
>higher longevity survival statistics
>higher cancer patient survival rate
I love this anecdotal long waiting time argument because waiting times are on average shorter in the NHS. I had a cancer scare a year ago and it took <2 weeks to get an appointment at my local hospital (Which is 1 month 2 weeks less than the NICE recommended time frame). I mean if you're jealous then I understand.
>>29267206
Complaining about eastern europeans is LITERALLY a cover by UKIP so they can get the pakis out, because slavs are white. Getting rid of pakis would be a great start, they put a Muslim in command of Trident a couple years ago, fucking MADNESS.
>>29269086
>two weeks waiting time
Jesus Christ. My grandfather had a cancer scare and it didn't even take 2 days to get the lab work back in the US.
>>29269128
Because all cancer cases are equal, right?
>>29269128
Because it wasn't a "Holy shit you have definitely have cancer you have to go now" situation.
>>29267036
Get rid of the BBC.
>>29267432
Admirals have more fighting power.
>>29268386
>Have you used it?
Yes, and it's back heavy, which is autismal.
When's the last time you've heard someone shower it with praise? It's passable, nothing more. Thank god, I think it's going in Army 2020.
>>29267241
>Vietnam did crush you 1v1 though
Fucking rekt
>>29270648
>going in Army 2020
This is literally the first I've heard of that. There's less than 4 years till that comes into effect and they haven't even finished upgrading the existing weapons to the new handguards and optics.
It's gonna be around for a while, if you like it or not.
>>29270776
Theres no real reason for them to furnish the non front-line units with all the fancy rails, lasers and elcans.
>>29270776
It's up for review in 2025 last I heard, evem then "up for review" doesn't mean they'll replace it.
In fact even if they do decide to replace it the replacement probably won't be available for another 5-10 years and take a while to fully implement. So you're right it will be here for a while yet.
>>29270874
>>29270776
>It's up for review in 2025
Yeah, I'm probably mistaken about it being Army 2020.
>It's gonna be around for a while, if you like it or not.
I'm gonna be be around on your face, mate, if you're going to bantering me. swer on me mum's lyf
>>29267401
>You know it's just going to lead to a tonne of shitposting by people from both sides who don't really know what they're talking about but believe they do
That's literally every thread on /k/
>>29267194
NHS gives one of the best value-per-dollar health care in Western world. It's a good system. Health insurance is not necessarily more efficient so fixing abuses at source rather than privatising to Virgin corporate fuckheads much better idea.
>>29271064
>NHS
>good system
You niggers know you can get private health insurance in addition to the NHS right?
>>29271128
Yes but then you are paying a massive portion of taxes for NHS while also paying for private.
>>29271064
>>29271084
>>29271128
>>29271137
All of you. Please stop. This is a weapons board.
Take it to either /int/ or /pol/.
>>29271137
Your personal NHS contribution is minimal, you can get private healthcare like Bupa if you wish and still have full access to all NHS services.
>>29271064
one option could be a move to a more hybrid system, possibly something similar to the singapore system where everyone has a health account for day to day care and the government deals with the big stuff
though probably the biggest issue is the growing elderly population and their higher demands for care whilst the viable workforce shrinks as a proportion of the whole
that and the massive credit crisis bank debts
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must bring the topic back to guns...
is it right to remove badgers from the protected species list again in the uk since they provide such a significant reservoir and vector of tuberculosis?
>>29267241
Damn son
>>29267589
>that pic
TRIGGERED
>>29267734
Last time I checked all Brits have done as of late is criticize the shit out of the US constitution like they have some sort of say over what we do. Not to mention bending over for Merkel's strap-on and the smelly brown cocks of her Syrian friends in the gangbang of a continent. I only say this because as the descendant of English immigrants, I care about its future and lament the fact its been reduced to a shadow of its former self.
>GO UKIP
>>29272033
>all Brits have done as of late is criticize the shit out of the US constitution
Fuck off, not once on this board for 6 years have I ever criticzed the constitution.
I get spat at by people for being pro-constitution, and what do I get? I get shat on by the very people I defend, so fuck you.
Don't think our media represents us, because it is exactly the same as yours.
>>29267285
England has the commonwelfare, so they can possibly have the assistance of the all blacks, beer drinking convicts and knife wielding gherkins
Fucking gurkhaburgers
>>29267994
Correct me if I'm wrong but those are aussies, no? I believe the same is true of the austeyr as well; when I've handled one, even unloaded riding the bolt handle left it out of battery.
>>29268767
Fair-weather friends, both of them.
>>29272772
No such thing as friends on the international level. Just interests.
that's how national sovereignty works
>>29272306
>Correct me if I'm wrong but those are aussies, no?
Norwegians, look at the flag 2-3 seconds in. At the time they would have been using G3's as their service weapon.
>>29267049
We've actually got rid of all our skijumps - they're currently in india being broke up for scrap metal.
>>29267121
>- codified constitution written by people who value freedom and aren't pussies
like the one we have had for the last 800 years, sure we havent sat down and put it all in one document but its been a real thing since the magna carta
>- Scrap NHS
fuck no, with as much problems as its got the NHS still spends less per capita than the US government for far better coverage, it isnt perfect by any means but the £150 on your tax bill would be £300-£450 with a nasty deductable if we went the american route.
>- Cut welfarce
reform perhaps but it does serve as a safety net, unemployment needs looking at and probably reducing but child benefit and disabilty allowance are good things.
>- Do something about overpopulation
fixing a problem that doesnt exist isnt a high priority, frankly we need more young people, to counter act the aging population, more housing is needed and we need to unfuck the planning process to get there.
>- Stop turd world immigration
see above, also note that most immigrants these days are eastern europeans who are generally pretty keen on learning the language and actually working.
>- Repeal authoritarian laws already in existence
or at least be more selective in applying them perhaps
>- Get rid of 'lad' and binge drinking culture
>- Get rid of celebrity worship
>- Stop London from being the cultural powerbase, it's too big of a shithole
how and how for the first two and no for the last, partly because its simply impossible at this point, and secondly because we sure as fuck dont have a real alternative for cultural center.
>- Devolve more power away from West Minster to local government.
hell no, the local government is actually worse and the devolution of wales and scotland was a major fucking mistake that needs to be rolled back as soon as possible, those running the local government are the ones not smart enough to make it on a national level, lets not give those cunts more power.
>>2926739
1688 asshole
>>29267781
same place you cunts were in the suez.
wasnt like britain wasnt doing its own anti communist insurgency work in the 50s and 60s
also northern ireland and the BAOR sucked up a lot of resources
>>29271137
still less than the US for the same standard of care.
>>29272170
I think he meant how the British media keeps butting in on US issues and then speaking down to is about our Constitution, not British people on this board or in general. Think Piers Morgan.
>>29267049
>Tornado
>Mediocre
Wew lad
>>29267036
I want to fuck that sexual chally
>>29267354
Glad someone else noticed this too.
Every post is timed with the capcha cooldown.
Ive been saying this for years but /k/ really does need flags.
>>29267734
>TFW Australian and we didn't get a mention
Yes I realize this is a British thread but we help loads, massive amount of air sorties over the middle east recently
Is it the school holidays in the United Cycks of New Africa already?
Is that why /k/ has been getting a lot of shit b8 and shitposting threads lately?
18+ To post on this website, kids. Best if you hop off back down to /reddit/ or wherever the fuck you came from.
>>29267241
And America crushed the British empire. So Vietnam crushed the UK by proxy.
>>29276979
>And America crushed the British empire
American education at work
>>29276868
its march break
>>29276868
Honestly I'd its a positive British thread, its been started by a none Bong specifically for the point of having a 'we hate bongs, they are cucks' thread.
No self respecting Bong would be so impolite as to put up a thread bragging about our stuff.
More likely that bongs are behind the anti-beitain threads, we love to moan.
Anyway, 60% of /k/'s shirposting currently eminates from 'hydrofoil/size of a PT boat/punch of a deatroyer' retard who shuts up naval threads, he's definitely not a bong.
>>29277004
There are nuggets of truth, the yanks leanes very heavily on the British to let go if their colonial possessions/not re-absorb liberated colonial possessions after world war two.
>>29277055
Its the equivalent of someone in outer Mongolia shouting "FREE INDIA" and because it happens they take the credit
Nigga please, things were already falling apart. US had nothing to do with it.
Lotta pretty nice hardware there
Can't wait to see an upgraded Eurofighter with Meteor Missiles
Oh look, a shitposting thread.
I'll contribute.
World Power Tier:
USA
Capable of defending itself and hosting a decent offensive tier:
Britain
China
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Could most likely hold it's own ground for a considerable amount of time tier:
Israel
Turkey
Pakistan
France
Italy
Australia
North Korea
Ukraine
Switzerland
Finland
Shit Tier:
Everyone else
>>29277154
France can easily defend itself and host an offensive
>>29277159
lol k
>>29277168
>Iraq
>Chad
>Central African Republic
>Mali
>Ivory Coast
>Libya
>Comoros
>Afghanistan
That's in the past decade.
>>29277205
Beating up trash cans doesn't make you a UFC fighter, bruh.
>>29277215
>If your war is in the middle east or Africa it doesn't count
How convenient for you
>>29277223
That's not what that anon said at all
lol gtfo frogfag
>>29277236
That's exactly what he said
Also, not French.
>>29277236
Fuck off retard
France is the only equal for power projection compared to Britain.
>>29277223
I think it's more along the lines of
>if you deployed fewer than a full brigade of soldiers (Chad, Ivory Coast, Mali, Libya, Comoros)/only deployed SOF in support of a much larger NATO force (Iraq and Afghanistan) it doesn't count
The fucking US has more soldiers as part of KFOR in Kosovo currently than France has ever deployed to Chad and literally nobody counts that as a war.
>>29277271
So you're trying to make it fit your arbitrary definition of an offensive rather than admit that they were offensives.
>>29277271
>The fucking US has more soldiers as part of KFOR in Kosovo currently than France has ever deployed to Chad and literally nobody counts that as a war.
Probably because soldiers in Chad were fighting and soldiers in Kosovo are sitting around jacking off onto Bradley sights and banging prostitutes?
>>29277257
>this is what the french actually believe
>>29273450
Seconded.
>>29273588
And how many countries don't have media outlets that butt in on other countries shit?
>>29277039
>March break
I've never heard it called that and it isn't on yet either.
>>29277067
>it's the equivalent of someone in Mongolia shouting free India
Well apart from the fact that we owed the US Billions of dollars and needed their help to actually push the Japanese out of colonial possessions yes,it is like your poorly thought out analogy.
>>29277664
British colonial possessions were re conquerd by the brits. As was Vietnam.
>>29267241
Gr8 b8 m8
>>29267432
>tell top brass that you've got to many people and need to cut numbers
>top brass decides between getting rid of nameless enlisted and their officer buddies
>top brass chooses to keep their officer buddies in a job.
>>29267432
Being an admiral or a captain doesn't mean you're in charge of a ship.
>How could Britain improve?
Stop wasting its money on a 'nuclear deterrent' that we cannot control. Actually having a defense force capable of defending our country, not another arm of the American military's offensive capacity.
Reducing the recruitment of ISIS by stopping bombing Iraq and Syria.
> aircraft carriers still have ski ramps
>>29271064
Sure its great value per dollar
just as long as you don't get sick, or expect competent health care, or want your doctor to speak english
>>29268102
>thinking that soft power comes from superfluous officers being sent on busywork and not economic power
Seriously?
>>29277848
You should stop reading the Sun if you think Trident isn't under total UK control.
>>29277848
>Stop wasting its money on a 'nuclear deterrent' that we cannot control.
Good meme, but trident isn't controlled via GPS. The UK has full control over Trident.
>>29267036
You could get more than one of each.
>>29277874
Be facetious all you want with your ARR BOYHS attitude, but to suggest that having a network of high ranking officers integrated into the world's most influential institutions is meaningless... well you might just want to go back to reading the Daily Mail.
Also who the fuck are you quoting? Because where did I say that economic power doesn't count?
>>29277876
>>29277877
I may be wrong, but aren't all the nuclear weapons from the US? Or the codes to fire them not controlled by us?
>>29277933
Trident missiles are produced for the UK to cut costs for both nations.
The partnership ends there. The US has no control over the use or firing.
>>29277933
your wrong, the agreement between the US regarding the missiles is that there are no american restrictions on their use and no americans in the control loop for firing.
as a side issue there are no codes for firing them on british subs, everything a sub needs to fire them is onboard and they can be fired at anytime without specific government instructions
>>29277933
The missile is American, but the warhead(s) are British.
These """"codes"""" don't exist, well, not in the way that you think.
During deployment a Vanguard Class has little-to-no contact with the outside world, this is because for clear reasons. However, in the event that a Vanguard class cannot hear BBC Radio 4 broadcasting and with additional verification, they will consider that a nuclear attack has happened.
This will then lead to the captain opening a safe (that can only be opened in this event), written by the Prime Minster on their orders.
Three likely choices:
>fire
>don't fire, but report under either USN or RAN
>don't fire, hide and surivive, carry on living for those don't
>>29272772
>friend is a retard who gets in a retarded fight despite you warning him
>don't get involved because you did your best to stop him but he's committed to being dumb
real friends will call you out on your bullshit and stay out of it instead of following along like lapdogs
i find it amusing how the british new tank will be called Cuck
>>29267036
What about the Chally vulnerable driver position ? What's the consensus about that ?
>>29278156
it will be fixed in the Cuck, along with a smoothbore gun
>>29278156
Already fixed by slapping bit of Dorchchester on it.
>>29267036
Tanks - missed the boat on surplus German tanks, now probably have to go American, hopefully with a diesel powerpack. I can't understand what happened specifically to the MBTs, the rest of armoured procurement has flexibly moved over to foreign designs/partial outsource combined with remaining industry strength. A British-ised Abrams isn't sacrilegious.
The carriers - I think were a mistake. Cruisers may have been a more forward-looking alternative. This all factors around F35, so mostly not UK's fault tbqh.
And L85 is early 50s/late 60s technology built into a wobbly early 70s design that "got fixed". Too long. I know the Japs etc. have had a similar approach, - small arms are a minor cost and relatively important element today, especially in low-intensity wars.
>>29278148
>>29278160
>The Cuck
I don't think the British will be buying the Abrams or T-90 anytime soon, anon.
>>29278215
>The carriers - I think were a mistake. Cruisers may have been a more forward-looking alternative. This all factors around F35, so mostly not UK's fault tbqh.
>cruiser
A cruiser that carries aircraft? So like a through-deck cruiser?
>>29267121
>- Get rid of 'lad' and binge drinking culture
kek
>>29277299
Do you even Mistral-class Landing helicopter dock ?
>>29278255
Tico/Type 055. Cruise missiles take over the airstrike role.
>>29267036
You need Railgun Destroyers! Maybe if you ask politely we'll sell them to you for a discount.
>>29278495
And why do you think this? On what studies is this based upon? If cruisers can replace the role of aircraft, why do you think that other nations bother if carriers at all?
>>29278495
You know there's a reason cruise missiles are only used in the opening day of a conflict right
>>29267042
>Get rid of your Muslim and Migraints and uncuck yourselves.
this is why you need education.
>>29278557
Clearly he's a highly educated Memeologist
>>29278445
Could the Mistral-class support F-35Cs, assuming the French could tolerate the idea of purchasing US gear?
>>29278566
F-35B, I mean
>>29278566
>Could a helicopter landing ship support an aircraft that requires a carrier with a catapult
Use your fucking head
>>29275142
Bad example, Piers Morgan is as much of a joke in our country as he is in yours.
>>29267047
Wow an opinion on k that is informed by more than just Wikipedia equipment tables?
Man wasting your breath on idiots like op
>>29267042
You elected a black man.
Twice.
>>29277848
Fuck off Corbyn.
>>29279604
Holy. Shit.
>>29267121
found the 15 year old edgelord who has noc clue about the bs he says
just kys desu
>>29278233
They're too cucked out to spend money on anything else than welfare for african rapists
>>29279604
wow
>>29268189
>>29267241
>>29272794
>>29278085
Pathetic excuses.
>>29267194
NHS is fine, just make one small change:
>treatment for binge drinking-related emergencies is no longer covered and is now charged for.
Suddenly billy big cock thinks twice about getting off his face pushed when he knows it'll cost him 200 quid if he drinks too much.
Also, legalize weed so it's more of a viable alternative to drinking. Job done.
>>29278539
>>29278546
Use Apaches after the first day. And gunfire. Then land GMLRS and tube artillery. Then launch drones from captured minor airfield. Cost benefit tradeoffs. Best use of what exists.
