Russians pull out of Syria. Now what?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/putin-orders-main-part-of-russian-army-to-start-syria-pullout-ilsa7fi5
>>29258121
Well, it'll reduce pressure on the Rebels in the north, especially around Idlib and Hama, but I guess with the truce broadly holding it won't be an immediate change.
I think it's more significant for domestic issues in Russia. Putin is being quite wise in getting out while he still can.
>>29258121
Sounds like Turkey gets to do what it wants.
>>29258357
implying.
its a trap.
>>29258121
Its a trap. Its all a trap. He is going to send loyalist chechens among the SAA, promising them money after the oil goes up.
They are simple mountain folk, they will trust him and will want to prove themselves to him too.
>>29258121
Well, even though it's been a fairly cheap war all things considered (they've gotten a lot of creds world opinion, tested/showed off cruise missiles and pilots have gotten a lot of training), Russia does not have the funds to burn in Syria.
Also, this way, the arab league sees that they can trust russia and Russia pushes their influence on Assad.
>>29258121
The way I see it - they've done their job, Assad is safe and secure, so they pull out until they need to save his ass again.
>>29260243
The way I see it - they ran out of money. Get real you fucking Putinboo. Their economy is in ruins because of sanctions and oil prices.
>>29260486
no matter how much you hate russia, >>29260243
is right
>>29258121
>linking to that piece of filth Bloomberg's site
>>29260243
How is he fucking safe?
ISIS gone from the map? No, in Syria, in contrast to Iraq, they have become even stronger.
YPG gone? No, now they are probably stronger than Assad, look at their progress on map.
And rebels obviously continue to fight Assad after Russia will gone.
>>29260486
When the rebels were storming into Latakia, literally everyone was convinced Assad was going to lose his core province and heartland of support. If that fell, there was no doubt that what little support he still had was going to topple.
Since their intervention, Latakia is not only secure, but now a spring board for operations into Idlib. Kuweris, which had been surrounded and cut off for years is now a stronghold controlling the lower plain of eastern Aleppo. It's no longer a question of when Assad will fall so peace talks can start- it's now about making peace talks Assad agrees to.
This is undeniably a success for the Russians in every regard and an absolute embarrassment to the US. Literally every force projection of US troops in Syria say tens of thousands of soldiers for years to accomplish even the simplest objectives. It's amazing how fast you can get in and out of a country when you don't topple its ruling structure.
>>29260773
ISIS is a mess.
>>29259596
Seems to me like it could just be a pullout in name only, kind of like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Create a media story, gain whatever benefits come from "withdrawal", but at the end of the only practical change being shifting some forces and hardware around.
>>29260778
The Russians leaving will definitively put the pressure on Assad to resume the peace talks; that is probably the main reason to do so. The syrian government proclaimed that they had no intention to adhere to the UN directive of free syrian elections 2017, which Russia supported.
>>29258121
Now they go back to Ukraine
>>29258121
The fighters and all the air defense apparatus will stay behind.
>>29260773
SAA and PPK will work together to squeeze ISIS out, US coalition will supply midday of the anti Isis support, assets left behind like S400 and small airforces to serve as cadre for Assad's Airforce will be sufficient to keep West from openly attacking Assad.
Kurds will be granted autonomous state in eastern Syria.
>>29258121
Tsar Bomba.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYe_UaWZ3U
>>29262499
This. They are concentrating resources into air effort, rather than pointlessly standing guard over the Latakia bases. Latakia is secured.
>>29260893
More like Russia doing what it said back when estimated campaign would last approximately 4 months unlike the US "pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan" and stucking there forever.
>>29265148
Pretty easy to say it'll only be 4 months when you know pretty much for sure that's when you run out of money to support the op.
Isn't Turkey gearing up? Its a revolving door of influence.
>>29265380
Yearly cost of operation was like 1% of military budget. It's not money.
Kinda remined me of VIetnam desu, from the airstrike to the ""treaty"
everythings was fun and dandy for a few years then all went to SHit
>>29259596
What Imperial Guard regiment is that?
>>29265380
>>29265441
would say it probably was money. russia runs the op to distract from its shitty economy. gotta keep promises or it stops becoming a propaganda machine and starts becoming a burden.
>>29258121
I miss one Syria war General and this shit happens? Confirmed or what?
>>29265441
That money was coming from somewhere - at least one other project was going without. It's not like they're increasing spending, anon, and they've got so very many wonderwaffles to build.
Poor Ukraine, probably more funds will be going to the "hybdrid war" again. Go rebels tho'
>>29259596
>loyalist chechens
Chechens come in two varieties, 'angry' and 'not so angry.'
Chechens do not come in 'loyal.'
>>29265441
When half the government budget comes from a revenue stream that currently does not exist, 1% can mean a lot.
>>29265548
>Chechnya
>not loyal
>the current year
Think again friendo, Putin essentially has the Chechen leadership in his wallet so to speak. Putin allows them to govern as they wish, in exchange for their votes and total support.
>>29265588
No, Putin allows them to govern, in exchange for votes, and so long as they keep the terrorism in check. There is no loyalty there, it is purely a business relationship.
>>29265492
>necklace says "mom"
>milf confirmed
>>29265611
this
>pull out of Syria
>not pulling out of Tartus and that new airbase they built in Latakia
People thinking this means anything are fools. The Russians started to bomb everyone in Syria just from the Tartus base alone. They have two bases now.
>>29258357
KURYER @KURYERSAT
Rus to keep all AD systems, ten of combat helicopters, some attack planes, 4 Su-35Ss, (probably) 4 Su-30SMs, BTR-82As & T-90As in Syria
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Nope.
>>29260789
I like it this way better.
>>29265588
because he pays them to be 'loyal' you stupid nigger
>>29258121
oil prices spike because the saudis have no more reason to fuck with russia
Now Qatar can't build pipeline through SAA controlled territory, and US can't have no-fly zone with S-400 still in place. Both of which were the actual priorities from the start.
>>29268621
that's not how a PPSH works.
>>29259596
If i was ever a grand raging poz faggot, one of them or all of them are what my perfect boyfriend and husband would be.
>>29266496
And in return he gets the best shock troops the Caucuses can offer.
>>29258469
>>hurr durr
>Assad planned for the US and co. to invade and arms radicals in the middle east for decades
>in Syria for 5 years
>for Syria to have no allies and forces left, with a coup and murder imminent
All according to plan...
>>29266361
>Latakia
>a dock
>a landing strip
>"bases"
No. Just no.
>>29266556
Actually, Saudi's aim has been ruining US fracking.
>>29270516
They had tactical sauna trucks too. Not to mention the tactical restaurant truck, and the tactical storage truck too.
Its part of their new war doctrine, to add trucks that have a tactical function while stationary and form a base next to a landing strip or a dock, or both.
And that is exactly how they formed 'bases'.
Can someone catch me up on what happened in the last month? I stopped following after SA surrounded the city and Turkey shelled the Kurds for advancing.
Anyway, there is no way to spin this as "Russia completed its mission." Everything points to fear of:
a). Being bogged down forever without achieving anything.
b). Getting involved in conflict with Saudis/Turkey.
c). Straight up losing and embarrassing themselves.
I do believe the funds argument to be bullshit, but Russia didn't accomplish its stated mission, which was "to fight terrorism, e.g. ISIL." People will argue that it was the "hurr durr true" objective, but it doesn't matter, because Russia lost major face by failing to achieve what it promised to.
>>29258357
Lel if it wants more of Ankara, sure.
>>29260001
Ayy the Russian military is still spending $60 billion this year and $25 billion on arms purchases/repairs.
He's not leaving because of cost, especially considering the up-front cost was only paid 5 months ago. That would be wasteful.
It's to make the ceasefire continue and to force Assad to make peace with the Rebels.
>>29260486
It's not money. Russia's economy fell 3% in 2008 and 8% in 2009. They still spent a lot on stimulus back then.
>>29260773
>ISIS in Syria have become even stronger
AYY LMOA SENPAI
>>29265558
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-13/putin-s-50-billion-oil-cache-gives-russia-luxury-to-ignore-ecb
There's a certain fund meant just for stuff like this. According to Bloomberg this fund still has $50 billion. It used to be $80 btw in 2014.
It's not money that made Russia withdraw some forces, it's Assad not going to the peace table.
>>29273442
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/02/11/how-the-assad-regime-is-winning-in-syria-in-three-seconds/
Here's what happened.
Here's a CURRENT MONTH map. Pic related. Look at Aleppo March 14th.
Notice what the Kurds did. There's a reason the ceasefire has held for three weeks.
>>29273442
What ever the russians do, it isnt going to impress you or even make you say anything nice about them.
They lie, putin lies, they do things while they say that they arent doing things or do something else, and they dont give a shit about who thinks what about them loosing face.
Real objective was to keep assad alive and in power, which was completed.
They said it before that they will be there for 3 or 4 months, 5 tops.
Terrorists for them are what freedom fighters or moderate opposition is to the rest.
Armed kurds who are on the roll is their answer to turkey.
They 'exposed' turks of supplying weapons to alnusra or buying isis oil
There is a ceasefire going on right now because of russians getting involved.
The supply routs to turkey are cut
There are mercenaries from chechnia among the ranks of the SAA.
SAA has been trained and taught many things to keep them away from fighting like arabs do
The russian air base is safe and in syria to stay, with the AA systems protecting the skies.
They didnt get bogged down in the sand dunes again
Nobody gives a shit about isis now that they dont get money, weapons and men flowing in and assad is secure, or some russian puppet will replace him
And the most brilliant part of it all, they are pulling out now while they can, after accomplishing all of the above.
Not to mention how all of this is going to affect their weapons sales.
Also they did something with saudis and oil which i dont understand, but someone else might know what im talking about.
It was when TOW kill T90 that Putin scratch head and embarassed. Now Turks will rule Middle East
