http://www.xdtalk.com/threads/accidental-discharge-polish-p64.232632/
Was this guy just stupid for carrying the P64 like this or is it a real design flaw?
I only ask because I bought a P64 and I don't want anything like this to happen to me.
well, they weren't meant to be conceal carried...
>>29080019
How the fuck does that tiny ass hammer get caught on anything? If you have a round hammer p-64 you have to really try to get it into single action, there's no way cloth in your pocket could get caught on it
>>29080067
To be fair he may have had a later production wedge hammered ones like I do.
>>29080019
>xdtalk
>ccing a fucking p64
poor life choices all around
I have a P64, and I intend to CC it once I get my permit (hard to afford on college poorfag budget)
this guy is an idiot
and the part that bothers me the most is him parting it out because he's too dumb to use it properly
if he feels guilty selling it to someone else for CC, then just ask the buyer if they're going to use it for CC or collecting and sell it to a collector
fucking instructors always think they're hot shit because they took an NRA course to certify them to tell retards not to point guns at people
>>29080019
I have a p64 and would never carry it with one in the chamber. The thing isn't meant to be a cc piece. I bought it just to add to the collection.
>>29080497
perfectly safe to carry with one in the pipe and safety on
but I'm smelling a bit of BS
I got out my P64 and the hamer only goes all the way forward with the trigger held down
otherwise, it only moves forward about 2-3mm less
I dunno if the small amount of movement with the trigger untouched is still enough to hit the firing pin with enough force to set off a primer
>>29080019
Somewhere on the internet there is a story from a guy who lost a nut due to a shitty holster he got at a gun show and either the p64 or similar slavshit pistol.
Get a not shitty holster and be very, very cautious when holstering and you should be fine. Also carrying safety on could have averted this entire situation.
![20160227_120848[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tunP4WZ.jpg "20160227_120848[1].jpg")
>>29080560
here I am pushing the hammer as far forward as I can without touching the trigger
Thanks guys, from reading this article closer I see that this guy is a complete fucking idiot for carrying one in the chamber safety off cause "HAHA LOL LIKE 20 POUND SHIT TRIGGER PULL NO WAY IT GOES OFF"
And same >>29080440, if I wasn't on a poorfag budget I would have bought a real Mak but 200 for a pistol like this ain't too bad
![20160227_121749[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oxlYQXE.jpg "20160227_121749[1].jpg")
>>29080593
>>29080560
and here I'm pushing it all the way forward while holding down the trigger (on an empty chamber obviously)
>>29080019
If the P-64 is unmodified and not broken (i.e. working as designed) then that story is full of shit.
The P-64 works with what is known as a 'rebounding hammer' design, along with a drop safety, meaning, that unless the trigger bar is set properly/pulled back properly via intended firing of the weapon, the hammer is mechanically incapable of moving forward enough to strike the firing pin without the trigger being depressed.
Now there is a disclaimer to that, as with anything, enough force behind something, like hammering the pistol into cement, or hitting the hammer with a hammer will physically shear/break the internal mechanics of the firearm... simply holstering the firearm or dropping it from a normal height will not allow that to happen.
>>29080019
This cocksucker either needs to make cocking the hammer part of muscle memory when he unholsters his weapon or he needs to grow some man hands and stop bitching about his stupidity on the internet.
>>29080019
He had one in the pipe with safety OFF.
I always carry my 92FS with safety on, and if the firearm has no manual safety I keep it with an empty chamber.
Safety first. Again, its user error 99.999999999% of the time
>>29080701
the safety on with the P-64 decocks it entirely, unless you do a "half safety" where it's safe and doesn't decock, which is kind of a hack that wasn't intentional by radom... so yeah, the P-64 is not a good carry piece
>>29080701
>and if the firearm has no manual safety I keep it with an empty chamber.
So how do you carry a revolver?
>>29080174
>>29080058
can you explain why/what design part makes it so it shouldnt be CC'd. the intricacies of gun niches elude me
>>29080831
The way cowboys did
>load one, skip one
>>29080845
>can you explain why/what design part makes it so it shouldnt be CC'd
There is none, they're just trolls/retarded/both.
>>29080870
>I would carry a 5 shot revolver loaded with only 4 rounds because I'm not confident in my ability to handle a gun without shooting myself
>>29080896
Well considering your more likely to shoot yourself accidently then use your handgun in a self defense situation, it may be wise to keep an empty chamber.
>>29080930
That's just a meme from when revolvers used a fixed firing pin, it's safe as hell nowadays
>>29081032
even revolvers with fixed firing pins can be safe to carry with every chamber loaded
for example the M1895 Nagant and S&W Model 10-8 both have rebounding hammers with fixed (or semi-fixed, they do swivel a small amount) firing pins on the nose of the hammer
both are safe to carry with a full cylinder
I carried my p64 with a round chambered and the safety on. With the hammer spring upgraded the da pull is not nearly as retarded as it is from the factory. The pull was comparable to a modern dao pocket pistol. If you would cc a ppk then there's no reason not to cc a p64. It's a throw away pistol that's still good enough to get the job done. I'd rather have that held up in an evidence locker for God knows how long while I'm on trial for defending myself than a 900 dollar Sig that I'll most likely never see again.
>>29080599
>from reading this article closer I see that this guy is a complete fucking idiot for carrying one in the chamber safety off cause "HAHA LOL LIKE 20 POUND SHIT TRIGGER PULL NO WAY IT GOES OFF"
Want to know how i can tell you don't own any guns?
>>29080019
>trusting a gun from a slavic country to have up to par life-saving quality control
Nothing more embarrassing than people who cc tokarevs and makarovs
>>29081959
plz go KIDF
>>29082019
If you would honestly trust a $300 gun over a quality made western gun then you deserve what happens when you need it and it fails.
>>29082086
No different from buying shit surplus ammo to protect your family instead of quality factory ammo.
>>29082102
the problem there is that military ammo is limited to FMJ and/or has corrosive primers to assist in cold weather function
military surplus (unless it's shit Paki or Iranian shit) is gonna be just as reliable as HD ammo
nothing wrong with surplus handguns for defense
although they, like the P64, are often not tuned for carry
>>29082130
would never ever trust it to perform when I needed it to, fun for plinking and training but I would never rely on it
>>29080870
That's moronic. Modern DA revolvers have a transfer bar or some other safety so there's no chance of an AD if the hammer is bumped. The only way it could go off is if you pulled the trigger, which will still happen even if you carried with the hammer resting on an empty chamber since a revolver indexes a new chamber when the trigger is pulled.
>>29080019
What a fag. Has an ND and is blaming the gun for a 'critical design flaw'. He just didn't know how his gun worked and was carless.
The P-64 is only drop safe etc with the safety on. You should know that if you plan to carry one.
>>29082543
it actually is drop safe
I wouldn't pound on the hammer and I wouldn't purposefully drop it on the hammer, but I wouldn't worry about it either
it has both a rebounding hammer and a firing pin return spring
it does lack a firing pin lock with the safety disengaged, but the other two features should be sufficient to protect you in most situations
something smells fishy about this guy's story
the hammer, even if you pull it back to nearly full cock, shouldn't go forward enough to impinge on the firing pin without the trigger being pulled
>>29080019
>>29080845
>not drop safe
>not drop safe with the safety on
>unreasonable DA trigger pull
Yes, it's a poor CC gun. The linked OP was negligent in several ways, not the least of which was not understanding exactly how his carry gun works.
>>29080019
>>29082889
He got real salty about old boy calling him out on it haha
"Maybe you should get a few more posts over 260 before you start spouting off."
>>29082851
Fair enough, though as you said safe in most situations. I consider the firing pin lock necessary for it to be truly drop safe but thats just a difference of opinion.
>>29083114
Of course, because how much time you have to post on a forum dictates gun knowledge. Also notice this jack off is a 'founding member'.
Radoms are shit, get a real Mak
The guy is a fool for not using the safety. It is extremely easy to flip off as you draw.
>>29083114
oh man that's gold
>>29083673
see: >>29080761
>>29080845
see: >>29080761
>>29083686
If you have a p64, change out the spring to get a better double action pull and then it's not an issue that the hammer is decocked.
I always start with the safety on so that flipping it is part of the ritual
I shoot the first round double action and then follow up with another shot. I get acceptable groups even though I'm not the best shot.
The maks a damn fine gun for 300 dollars. I'm at like 500 rounds without a single cock up. You can't make the thing misfire and it shoots like a laser once you get used to the weird recoil from the fixed barrel.
>>29081804
Psh. It's not like a million people carry nosafety guns with 5lbs triggers everyday. If they did, the pants industry would explode. Oh, wait.
>>29080560
>>29080593
>>29080602
Hey anon, I just check mine as well and my results are identical to yours...the hammer does not go all of the way forward without pulling the trigger. Not sure if it matters, but mine was manufactured in 1974.
