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Nogunz here. Went shooting back in September, got hooked on it. Looking for a really cheap gun to start out with. Has to be under 300, pref under 250. For now, just target shooting. Pic related, what I'm thinking of, simply because it's cheap and fairly reliable.
>target shooting
>hi point
>>28922320
Why not get a Makarov?
Zastava makes factory new Tokarev clones in 9mm
So im new with guns can someone explain to me why hi-points are so hated? I googled what they are and i dont understand whats so bad with them
>>28922320
Buy an M57.
>>28922376
They're cheap and they work most of the time. It gets annoying for some people when they learn their $500 pistol is no better than a $150 chunk of plastic.
>>28922376
Basically because they are nigger guns. There isn't anything wrong with them functionally except they're ugly as sin. Obviously you aren't getting a precision instrument, but it will be reliable.
>>28922359
The 9mm version has problems.
But from what I've seen with the regular 7.62x25 versions, they function just fine for a $250 service handgun
Buy a surplus handgun. Buy a .32 auto for like $199 on aim surplus or something. Cz 75 copies can be had for cheap as well for usually under $320 and they're built to last. Tokarevs can be had pretty cheap also. Around $250ish
>>28922416
>>28922392
Pic related
>>28922376
assuming this is not bait, cause we see threads like this a lot...
All guns are not the same, there are tons of different factors as to whether a gun is fun to shoot, accurate, or reliable. That being said, Hi-Points are looked down upon here because they are the cheapest new firearm you can purchase, and it is usually the symbol of new people or those who just want "a gun" without any knowledge whatsoever.
The hi-point will go bang when you pull the trigger. It will work, it wont kill you or anything, but you will get ridiculed for buying it simply because its the cheapest option.
Typically 400-500 is the best price to performance ratio for a handgun
>>28922416
>The 9mm version has problems.
Aside from mag disconnect and gritty trigger what's it then?
>>28922425
>7.62x25
yeah give a new shooter a completely obscure and rare caliber.
>>28922320
Get a Ruger 22/45.
>>28922320
The C9 is a great gun for the money.
You get a lot of gun for the money.
Also they are surprisingly accurate.
The warranty is awesome.
The grips from the factory suck but you can get textured grips from hipoint.
Source: I have the c9
>>28922484
>Ruger 22/45
This. You can find a Ruger MK .22 pistol for pretty cheap at LGS and mainly pawnshops, I saw someone selling one near me on armslist the other week for 300 but it came with 1000 rounds of .22 lr. Great for first timers, plinking and target shooting.
>>28922376
Because they're ugly and you can't conceal them well.
Even though they'll eat any and all ammo and are basically indestructible and accurate.
What's the best pistol to vet for 300-400? Also I really want a mauser how much do they cost?
>>28922559
Don't care about looks for now. And not planning on CCing any time soon, seeing as my school is in Assacusetts.
>>28922442
Not bait. I actually want a gun, but can in no way afford 4-500. I just want something cheap to have fun with while I'm saving up for bigger and better things.
>>28922641
A hipoint is the way to go.
Theyre just a good solid gun.
>>28922670
Can't afford 4-500 means you're not willing to save up for long enough and are impatient. Which is fine, but you CAN afford 4-500, it just takes longer to save.
I just got myself 1 of these
looks and feels so fucking real, and cheap to play around with.
>>28922442
Thanks for the answer. Not bait im just a retard.
>>28922320
Bersa Thunders are pretty good handguns. Can be had for ~$250 at pawn shops
SCCY/SR9E/ SW equivalent.
>>28922320
Save up get. anything else.
For target shooting a mk2 or a 22/45
For protection and range fun
A police trade in glock.
>>28922320
How about reading the sticky 1st?
It's a little dated, but you'll find some good info to do your own research.
http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki/APPROVED_POORFAG_GUNS
>>28922376
>much bulkier and heavier than other comparable guns
>magazines really aren't the best, feed lips are more easily damaged due to softer steel and sometimes the feed lips come out of spec from the factory leading to jams
>significantly higher quality used guns are available for slightly more
>the annoyance of people going on about the warranty when it doesn't mean much in the long run if the gun is more likely to have problems than other guns and other guns without such a warranty can be easily repaired at home in the event that something does go wrong if you know anything, also repairing a gun at home is generally faster than sending it in
>the annoyance of people who continue to insist that they can't afford anything more than a Hipoint when the price difference between that and a much higher quality used gun is equal to a couple trips to the range
um, mosin?
Just buy a sar b6p for around 100 more dollars. Its a cz75 clone with polymer lower made by a turk weapons factory.they make a compact version as well.
If you want one of the most boring fucking guns ever to target shoot be my guest.
If you want a pistol get a 22/45.
If you want a rifle get a 10/22, CZ 452/455 or a savage Mark II
If you want a shotgun get a mossberg 500
If you want milsurp get a mosin, or an SKS.
>>28922320
Hi-Points aren't bad. Just as someone who enjoys shooting, I don't like them because they aren't fun to shoot. A Tokarev is a good choice, M57's are around $200 and the cheapest new gun I'd buy.
Taurus pt 111 g2 pro. Its 9mm, concealable (but not a sub compact) comes with two mags. can be had for around $200 if you wait for a sale.
Lots of reviews if you google it.
>>28922320
for around 300 you can get a .40 by a reputable mfg. look at used gun cases.
>>28922441
best $219 I ever spent.
>>28922909
>CP88
>CP
>88
>>28922409
>most of the time
Uh huh. Hi Point owner detected.
Hi points being straight blowback firearms are very picky with ammunition. They also don't have useful features like a slide lock, little to no aftermarket, and are also UGLY AS SIN.
So please, please pick something else
>>28924355
>being straight blowback firearms are very picky with ammunition
>>28924355
>Hi points being straight blowback firearms are very picky with ammunition
wat. Straight blowback guns tend to be less picky than recoil operated guns.
>>28924084
Strictly speaking it's an EAA Witness clone.
But yeah it's a big-tier cheap handgun.
>>28922320
>Has to be under 300, pref under 250.
1000 rounds of 9mm is going to run you ~250, so you're not ready to buy a gun.
You're gonna need about $1000 to get into rifles, then another $600 to get into pistols even with something as cheap as an SD9VE.
>>28924355
Never owned one. A friend had one but since has sold it and bought a 1911. They do have a slide lock, the safety doubles as one.
And how the fuck does being straight blowback make any difference on the ammo it works with?
>>28925389
>1000 to get into rifles
No. Milsurp and ammo is cheaper and .22lr is WAYYYY cheaper.
>>28925444
>milsurp
$800 for a beat up Yugo or export norinco SKS and 1000 rounds of 762
$900 for an AR and 1000 rounds of XM193
>rimfire
22 doesn't really count for getting into rifles. The literally negligible recoil doesn't exactly lend itself to developing your skills.
>freakin mosin nagant
Semi auto or go
If you are buying ammo when you need it then you are doing it wrong. This is only more true with less common cartridges like 8mm Lebel.
>>28922465
What? There's supposed to be plenty of people's republican surplus.
>>28922625
You mean 7.62? Maybe you could just get a tokarev and feed it mauser ammo, like they did in WW2? Or do you mean 9mm mauser?
>>28925618
Less recoil is a negative? The dude is trying to get into the hobby and learn fundamentals without flinching. Not everyone is trying to oper8 right from the get go.
>>28925618
>1k rounds
You're a fucktard. Get a fucking mosin and 500 rounds for like 5-6 hundred bucks.
>22 doesn't lend itself to develop skills
Militaries throughout history who use .22 trainers disagree.
Oh I'm sure you know better mister internet armchair operator.
>semi auto or go
Shit shot detected
>>28925618
>22 doesn't really count for getting into rifles
>Semi auto or go
>waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh stop liking what I don't like
>>28922409
This
>if your hi point breaks they'll repair it for free for life
>>28923917
My friend shot his hipoint with a nugget and he got a straight up new gun
>>28924355
My c9 will run winchester white box 115 grain no problem.
The only issues it has is going into battery with a new clipazine
>fire last round
>slide holds open
>insert a new magaroid
>rack the slide
>round nose dIves into feed ramp
>hit the back of the slide
>goes into battery
>mag runs fine
>>28925393
Low velocity ammunition won't cycle right because the bolt/slide is too heavy because they're not locked breech in general
It's like running that shitty German .22lr through a 10/22.
But hipoints don't seem to have that issue unless you're using like subsonic .45 acp
I just had mine literally come apart after shooting my 12th round.
It pisses me off because I actually love hi point and never bought in to the it's junk band wagon.
> The pin that holds the dolls head and slide came out of the gun while firing.
> slide came up and over the camber
> scatched the fuck out of the camber
> firing pin and springs go flying
> round in chamber still
This happened yesterday I have to wait to call hi point as they are not open on Sunday's
>>28926024
what ammo were you shooting?
how old is your gun?
>>28922320
They have pretty cheap shotguns and other stuff at Pawn Shops and stuff a lot of the time. Shooting skeet qualifies as target shooting.
And don't start. It's a relatively small quick target. It can't be too bad for preparing to shoot a guy in the face at a much smaller distance.
>>28922416
Bro it's a $300 gun, not a $1000 tacticaplastica hoobooboo.
>>28922347
Well, if you learn to shoot a hi point well you will be able to shoot anything well.
Get a Taurus PT111 G2.
>>28926020
>Low velocity ammunition won't cycle right because the bolt/slide is too heavy because they're not locked breech in general
My reloads tend to be really close to the minimum loads and neither my blowback pistols nor my recoil operated pistols have had a problem excluding the time I messed around with downloading 9mm to .380 pressures (blowback gun still worked but it has a bolt a bit on the light side, recoil operated one didn't).
>>28925618
Why pay attention to it being rimfire? Like that has any real impact? .22 magnum is not so cheap, or even .17magnum. Though puniness problems may be shared.
>>28922359
High-point is waaaay more accessible than makarovs, we only even talk about them literally because it has become a meme (which is because they used to be cheap af).
>>28926024
Keep us posted, hi-point_ranger! I very much want to know what dealing with their customer service is REALLY like.
You've even got fucking permission to trip because this is what it was designed for.
>>28922320
Talk to whoever took you shooting in the first place. They can actually talk to you face to face.
>>28922359
Makarov appears way too similar to .380ACP - what appeal could it have?
>>28925186
>big tier
For you
>>28926126
I was shooting blazer brass. The gun is only a few months old. I got it brand new and it was the second mag I ever put through it
>>28926405
>Makarov appears way too similar to .380ACP
...and what exactly is wrong with that?
>>28922909
Pellet guns that look like pistols always strike me as a little daft.
If you want pellet hunting, get a rifle one.
If you wanna play pewpew with co2 canisters get an airsoft.
Only real use they have is low budget movie prop.
>>28926329
I will post a thread tomorrow on it and the whole process.
>>28926453
>Pellet guns that look like pistols always strike me as a little daft.
>If you wanna play pewpew with co2 canisters get an airsoft.
Pellet pistols do have the advantage of being a bit more powerful for plinking purposes and a bit more accurate, but I do agree that a good airsoft pistol is better for everything else especially for shooting inside due to their lower power and significantly being cheaper to feed.
>>28922320
M88A is a great starter gun.
Got mine for $180. Basically a compact Tokarev in 9mm. Was actually a military and police weapon for a short time. Shares some parts with original toks, and can handle +P.
Trigger is fair, but gets better after break in. Small enough to CC, and has an effective manual safety, but also rugged enough to take camping or leave in a glove box. The barrel is long enough that the pistol could fill a HD roll with some authority, too.
Capacity is a limiting factor, would love to get a drum mag.
>>28925618
Don't listen to this retard.
Holy hell guys. More info relevant to my case: Live in VA, almost 20, and only planning on occasional target stuff. Read through the sticky, I'll keep that stuff in mind.
>>28926439
.380 is said to be kind of weak.
It sounds like mak will just progressively die because new guns in it won't be made because there's .380 all over.
>>28926627
I recently picked up one and love it. Except lack of magazines. Do you know where I can buy some?
>>28926807
Thanks anon
>>28926686
Original guy here. Are we always assuming our attackers are PCP raged men? I don't need the strongest caliber to fend off an attacker. I am confident 9x18 and the sound of bang bang will make cowardly robbers drop/scatter.
Do you really want the family of the deceased to bring you to civil court for using a "war" caliber?
>inb4 muh stopping power
Fuck you. Do you want to get shot by a .380?
>>28926807
>home defense guns
>handguns options
>revolvers with timing issues from the factory
>single stack full size semi autos
>a fucking cap and ball single shot pistol that costs more than a cap and ball revolver
>shotgun options
>a fucking single shot break action
>recommending Remington anything
>recommending loading down a shotgun with a side saddle, buttstock shell holder, and a sling that can hold shells and a cheap ass flashlight that will break after a you take a couple range trips to practice with the gun
>rifle options
>seriously recommending .22 rifles
>a hi point carbine recommended to be used with the extended mags that make it jam all the time
>a moist nugget
>a fucking black powder rifle
>a bolt action rifle with a fucking scope
All of my wat. This seriously reads like one of those your roll decides how many point you get to do X pictures.
>>28922416
Pic related happened to mine after 2 boxes of ammo. It has been re-seated, but I haven't had time to shoot and test it out.
>>28927163
I didn't make the list and I think it said the older Remington's of course. Also .22 would work if you use one of those drum mags on a 10/22.
>>28922320
It is implied that you're looking for a handgun, though you didn't specifically say so.
If you just want an entry-level plinker of any kind, Hi-Point's carbines are very fun and cheap, also chambered in common pistol cartridges and have reasonably cheap mags. They are ugly as sin, but are more fun than the similarly-ugly pistols from the same manufacturer, if you're going for super-cheap.
>>28924208
This.
The poorfag guns list needs to include it.
>>28927163
Unless you can make a better guide, some of the options here are decent enough for any gun owner on a budget. For home defense, a .22 is decent if you have a decent capacity magazine. The one's breaking into your home are probably too poor to afford body armor anyways. Unless you pissed off a cartel or something, then you are probably still going to die with your .223 or 7.62 rifle anyways. The blackpowder guns are thrown in there for humor.
>>28927449
>For home defense, a .22 is decent if you have a decent capacity magazine. The one's breaking into your home are probably too poor to afford body armor anyways.
The magazine size isn't the problem, how unreliable rimfire ammunition is is the problem.
>>28922320
Buy a Ruger P95 or 9E. Better than a hi point or old slavshit
>>28927468
>unreliable
I beg your pardon?
I never had any issues with reliability while shooting .22 lr pistols or rifles.
>>28927526
>I never had any issues with reliability while shooting .22 lr pistols or rifles.
Are all of you non rimfire semi auto guns shit tier to the extent where you think regular jams are normal or do you just rarely shoot your semi auto .22lr pistols and rifles? Anyone who owns and regularly shoots both can tell you that centerfire guns are significantly more reliable.
>>28922376
shitty magazine capacity for the enormous size?
horrible ergonomics?
freakin hideous?
>>28927069
No, I'd much prefer to get shot with a .22 from a 1.5" barrel. Or better yet, 1".
And I do not think the courts would be all that likely to take it easy with stomping down on me if I started shooting people with a varmint caliber.
>>28927203
Happened after my buddy dropped his gun, too.
