Sigs. That long trigger pull has always bugged me. Is it designed so that you always have the slack taken-up? Does a SEAL walk around with his trigger half-pulled all the time when in combat? I started to imagine it like a clutch lever almost- something you keep tension on. Am I over thinking this? I've never fired another pistol like it.
>>28909708
I'll school you since I too was confused as fuck and the p228 was my first gun I ever shot and I know how confusing it is.
It's specifically designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. The heavy Double Action pull is meant to be at ~10-11lbs so you don't accidentally discharge it because its so heavy that you need to make a concious effort to pull it.
After that, every other shot is a crisp and light 4lb Single Action pull. There's guns like the 1911 that are Single Action Only (SAO) but instead of a Double Action pull, it uses a manual safety instead.
And yes, seals and everyone else train on the DA to SA transition. The sig's Double Action is actually very smooth for a DA trigger pull. It's one of the best DA/SA production guns you can get really. I've practiced enough with my p226 where the DA isn't a problem at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J90s9ob3424
>>28909708
I pull the DA in one continuous pull, no staging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsoX26OhDCY
>>28909843
Thanks for your reply! Good video too.
It doesn't specifically answer my question though, as there is a comparison to the Beretta M9 -- I had no trouble training on SA/DA with that pistol, but the sig always seems to have a looooong trigger draw, despite whether or not the hammer is down. I was at the range and rented a sig, and I felt pretty stupid thinking there was a safety I hadn't disengaged pulling the trigger all the way back....it turns out I hadn't pulled the trigger all the way after all, and I found myself doing repeated shots with all that slack taken up, keeping the trigger on the edge of dropping the hammer, as it were. Any insight?
He's talking about the trigger reset, and the answer to your question is that Sig makes a short reset trigger (srt) that can be installed on any of their pistols, so that way on your single action shots if you release the trigger it doesn't go all the way forward, and the reset is right at the breaking point.
>>28909980
I'm a little confused by your question 2bh. You shouldn't be staging the trigger at all, you should pull it straight through until it breaks. (?)
>>28910018
That's interesting. Since Sig offers that feature, it means i'm not alone on this issue.
Though, I will point out, you AREN'T supposed to let the trigger all the way out between shots regardless if practicing proper trigger discipline. You only let the trigger out til it resets.
>>28910036
>>28910045
Aha. Here is two different points of view.
On the M9, your trigger is going to be in two different positions, for SA and for DA. That first shot takes some getting used to.
>>28910045
Which brings us back to my original question; training with the sig and its long trigger pull, no matter if the hammer is cocked or not.
The long DA pull is designed for you to not shoot yourself in the foot. However if the DA is too long for your tiny female hands then consider getting the E2 grips.
>>28909980
>but the sig always seems to have a looooong trigger draw, despite whether or not the hammer is down.
That's fucking weird. I'm probably going to be wrong but by any chance it was a DAK Sig? Their trigger is consistent in travel and around the 7lb trigger pull. Maybe I'm just not comprehending your post correctly.
Do you remember if there was a decocker on the side like in pic on the right?
>>28910083
on any pistol, of any length of trigger pull, you should apply a steady, slightly increasing pressure until the trigger breaks. no stopping, no slowing, no waiting,
some pistols have a longer trigger pull than others, thats just life I suppose
>>28910141
It's honestly no longer than a 1911.
>>28910141
sounds more like a DAO
>>28910113
>>28910141
>>28910145
Nope. I've got the fundamentals down. I'm talking about an issue that makes the Sig unique.
I'll try to illustrate what I mean.
>1911
PPBang
PPBang
PPBang
>M9 Beretta
PPPPPPPPBang
PPBang
PPBang
PPBang
PPBang
>Sig P226
PPPPPPPPBang (10lbs)
PPPPPPPPBang (4lbs....)
PPPPPPPPBang
PPPPPPPPBang
PPPPPPPPBang
PPPPPPPPBang
>>28910206
hard to say, maybe you should stick with your Beretta
>>28910172
>posting some poorfag RIA brand 1911
Modern 1911 have less a pull than milspec brands.
>>28909708
W. German P226 here.
All stock condition. Long ass trigger reset.
Just ordered an SRT kit. Reviews all say it makes a world of difference
>>28909708
Trigger control 101 junior.
I bet you don't think your breathing and heartbeat matter either.
>>28910367
>I bet you don't think your breathing and heartbeat matter either.
It doesn't
>>28910230
>>28910367
Maybe I'll ask on nighttime /k/, when replies are less....acerbic.
>>28910385
>>28910398
>get into a shooting
>wait hold on, let me calm myself so I can breathe properly and regulate my heartbeat
OP here. It's not about the weight of the pull, or the fundamentals of pistol shooting. I"m all set on those. What I'm inquiring about is LENGTH of the trigger pull on subsequent (SA) shots of the Sig.
>>28910234
>>28910389
but you aren't asking a serious question. why is the trigger press so long? what kind of question is that, what are you looking for exactly?
>>28910486
Is the long SA trigger pull on the Sig an intended feature and how is it used? In combat, is it intended that the shooter keep the slack "pulled" to just before breaking?
If you're a competitive shooter, do you do the entire 2" of travel on the trigger, or do you hold the slack?
Or let me speak 4chan: Are Germans, despite their engineering genius, autistic?
>>28910424
>hasn't learned to control his stress under pressure.
Absolute civilian.
>>28910569
Dude for fucks sake you are running in circles everything was explained early in thread
>>28910569
>Is the long SA trigger pull on the Sig an intended feature and how is it used
mine isn't very long, but it should be used as any trigger on any other hand gun
>In combat, is it intended that the shooter keep the slack "pulled" to just before breaking?
no, the gun should be returned to DA if you are not going to fire additional shots
>If you're a competitive shooter, do you do the entire 2" of travel on the trigger, or do you hold the slack?
Again my SA isn't that long but a competitive shooter should be prepping the trigger before reaching the next target, or before it returns to the same target.
>>28909843
>and everyone else train on the DA to SA transition.
well, not the polis
>dem NYPD discharges into the ceiling
>>28910206
>single action pull
>same as double action pull
are you high or something? it's the same basic thing as the 92FS.
I agree with the other anon, stick with your 92 then because either that Sig was broken, a DAK model, or you brought your confusion hat to the range.
>>28910648
OP here. Thanks for your detailed reply.
>>28910626
Nope. It wasn't. It's a difficult question, but the format of 4chan I thought would make for an interesting discussion.
thanks everyone.
>>28910709
The trigger position on the Beretta changes from DA to SA. The Sig's trigger doesn't change (in my experience). I don't know whether the one I rented was a DAK or not, but I remember the trigger returning to the DA position, though the hammer was back and a round in the chamber. There was a lot of slack to take up thereafter, hence my question.
>>28910797
that's not correct at all. the trigger should be in a middle position, an SA position, just like a Beretta.
top picture is DA position, hammer down. bottom is hammer back, SA position. this is how it should be. there's a tiny bit of slack on the SA but not like a TON, less than a 1/4" for sure.
>>28910883
it's a troll thread
>>28910883
Hunh. Weird. Well thanks for that. I wonder what the hell I was shooting at the range.
>>28909843
also you can just cock the hammer before the first shot if you really want to
>>28909980
My insight is that you're a mouth breathing fucking retard sperg.
Just pull the fucking trigger you dumb faggot. No one else has this sort of insanely complex issue with something that isn't complex at all.
I mean seriously, for fucks sake. Do you expect to point the gun and have the trigger pull itself or something?
>>28910083
>its long trigger pull, no matter if the hammer is cocked or not
This contradicts my experience with 226, one of which I happen to have. The pull is distinctly different for DA and SA. Hell, the trigger position is different when the hammer is cocked.
SRT someone mentioned is awesome. Both the break and the reset are crisp, reset is about 2mm trigger travel at the tip.
I heard that Legion SAO trigger is even better (from the guy that paid premium to get specifically the SAO, which is pretty unobtanium), but didn't have a chance to shoot it.
>>28910197
DAK is a DAO, with a twist.
>>28911096
yes but it still resets into a shorter pull single action while the DAO resets all the way back to full reset every time.
>>28911129
That's exactly what I meant by a twist. GIYF.
>>28910619
>implying military experience/training negates that
>>28909708
Just get an SRT kit
>>28914466
change your trip to "AnchorWhore"
>>28914424
>implying experience
>experience
That is exactly what was implied. In what possible way could you refute that?
>>28914478
I am an anchor pimp, pimping off anchor whores
>>28910234
That was some weak ass bait anon. I hope to god you didn't bother to open the thumbnail
>>28914543
Why censor?
We all know what your face looks like, Jon Ramirez.
>>28914537
I would imagine it's because of you're use of the word civilian and your belief that having a tricare card somehow makes an individual calmer under pressure than a civilian when both walks walks of life have situations and occupations ranging from care free to suicide inducing.
>>28916111
HOLY SHIT PRIVATE PYLE!
YOUR ASS LOOKS LIKE 400 POUNDS OF CHEWED BUBBLEGUM!
>>28910113
What grips make it bigger? I'm rocking hogue right now
>>28916111
look at dem d cup titties!
>>28910305
SRT kit does make a world of difference. I installed one in my 227 and I shoot tighter groups. I really hate the factory reset.
