Anybody ever have trouble with Primary Arms? Cock suckers just sent me a used bolt carrier.
Funny you should start this thread now. I just got in the mail, less than an hour ago, a used PA Advanced Red Dot. It's scratched up externally and actually looks worse than the PA Red Dot that I already own.
By the way, it should go without saying, but I ordered a new item...
>>28708466
This looks almost new lol
>>28708478
Did you not notice the big ass scratch?
>>28708478
Also, for some reason it came with two bases, but is missing one of the wrenches you need to install it.
>>28708491
>notice the big ass scratch
Nope. I did not actually, my bad. Is this a common thing with PA? Because I was thinking about ordering a new gas tube from them.
I'm not even pissed at the idea of a used carrier, but they better cut me a 50% refund. I'm pissed that someone handled this item, saw it was not new,packaged it with scotch tape, and said "maybe he won't notice."
>>28708565
Not normal at all for any company, let alone Primary Arms, which is typically excellent. I already called them and left a message to the effect that they need to call me back and arrange a return on their own initiative because they screwed up.
I don't know if it was just one doofus working the inventory department last week who thought that the customer-returned goods were g2g for new orders, but whatever the reason, they should not be sending out used products to people who ordered new products. You should call them tomorrow to complain.
>>28708636
I already called and left an email. Of course I would get home at 5:15 when they close at 5. If I don't get an early morning call I'm gonna be kind of butthurt about it.
I have ordered from them in the past and never had issue. I hope they take care of you two anons. Keep us posted. Customer service is what can kill a company quicker than a bad product.
>>28708430
>used
Nigger that is brand new. How retarded are you?
>>28708466
>a scratch
>OHMUHLAWD IT BE USED
This is where you send them an email and say, "Hey guys, the finish is worn off one of the corners. Any way I can exchange it?"
They'll likely hook you up with some extra shit. Not being a faggot when you have a minor issue goes a long way.
>>28708727
This is bait, everyone freeze
>>28708727
How retarded are you? This is my other used one, and by comparison the one they sent me is abused.
>>28708727
Not op, but that BCG has clearly seen a good couple more rounds than "brand new," just look at the lettering and the lengthwise striations.
It's funny how we always get people like >>28708727 / >>28708765
coming out of the woodwork in any thread with negative connotations about any company ever. It's always the same kind of post. No matter whether people post photographic or video evidence, they just blatantly deny reality or else try to change definitions of words. It's the same kind of posting style as the people who try to derail a thread by calling people noguns/airshitter AFTER they post pictures of their guns.
I own two other PA red dots which I use regularly, and both are in better condition and cleaner than the one they just sent me. I don't mind buying used goods for certain things, but you can't charge new prices for used items.
>>28708784
>the one they sent me is abused.
Where? There is no wear on it in your picture. Bulk packaging (aka bags) are what saves money so the retailer can offer it at a lower price.
>How retarded are you?
You're the one who ordered a Fail Zero BCG. Twice.
>>28708817 again
Also, I'm not even saying this is a negative story about Primary Arms. I have bought from them many times before and they're always very good about shipping new items quickly. Depending on how they handle this fiasco, this could still turn out being a good story about them. However, they did screw up my order and apparently OP's order, and receiving a used item that hasn't even been checked to see if it has all the necessary wrenches is already a much lower level of service than I have ever received from any gun-related company before.
>>28708817
>you can't charge new prices for used items.
You obviously don't know the difference between used and damaged. Damaged =/= Used
>>28708727
Hey, I have a px4 storm .45 for sale. Can you buy it from me for $650? I think that's a fair price since, you know, it looks new.
>>28708840
Are you actually blind? The BCG in the OP is filthy.
>>28708862
Not sure what you're trying to say here. You think that I received a new red dot that was just damaged on the assembly line? How do you explain the non-standard packaging, the rub marks on the bottom of the mount, and the fact that they erroneously sent two mounts but not enough of the required wrenches? See: >>28708540. This is not what the packaging should look like for this product. I know because I own two other PA red dots and still have the packaging for both of them.
>>28708905
>The BCG in the OP is filthy.
>aka cardboard fibers on it
There is no visible wear from use. It was likely purchased from the manufacturer in bulk, shipped in bulk packaging, and pulled from a warehouse to fill the order.
>>28708905
>This is not what the packaging should look like for this product
I've sold hundreds of their optics and there have been a few with a couple of this and not of that. Shit happens. Don't be a faggot.
>>28708969
I'm not the OP, so I can just go from the photo, but to me, I would describe the bolt in the picture as being "caked in soot", and the laser etching of the manufacturer's logo is showing heavy abrasion as compared to the other bcg he posted. This didn't happen from just firing a few test shots at the factory.
>>28709022
Would you pay full price for a new vehicle that didn't come with half the fuel injectors? How about missing the windshield? Didn't think so.
>>28709022
>implying you are some sort of industry professional
I don't believe you one bit.
>>28709041
You're too dense to grasp the concept on other things I've said, so I'm not surprised you can't wrap your head around that either.
>>28709070
You're a real tough guy, aren't you?
>>28708860
>they missed a wrench
>much lower level of service than I've ever received before
FFL guy here.
We've gotten half a rifle on at least one occasion from Remington, LaRue, and Savage.
Seriously, open the factory-sealed box and there's just a barreled action in there. No bolt, no stock, no mag. Or in LaRue's case, just a lower+stock, no FCG and no upper.
Now obviously the distributor corrected the...error...in short order on the Remingtion and Savage, and LaRue eventually got around to sending out a complete rifle after insisting we pay shipping to return the half-a-rifle they sent us (it was a custom order), but everything got straightened out with minimal fuss.
>>28709037
>wild comparison that doesn't apply to the situation
A fifty cent tool and thinned anodizing that wore off on the most likely place it would, a corner, isn't even close to that. This is a simple fix that they'll likely bend over to fix for you.
>>28709022
>sold an optic on Craigslist once
>I've sold hundreds of their optics
Put your leddit fedora away please
>>28709037
No, but the majority of Americans pay full price for new vehicles missing things like bottle jack handles or owners' manuals. Which is a more accurate comparison to "hey it's missing a ten cent allen wrench of which the customer probably already has a dozen".
>>28709075
Nope. The customer isn't always right. Most of the time it's their own fault because they don't read anything, or had unrealistic expectations.
>>28709103
Again, I'm optimistic that Primary Arms will fix the situation. I was just commenting on the "service so far" progress for this order.
>>28709104
>reality distortion glasses
>knowing better about things he doesn't have access to than people who have access to them
Give it a rest, buddy.
>>28709167
Why do you get so upset when you get called on your whining?
>>28709128
>missing the point
First, it's not an allen wrench. It's a star wrench, and most people don't have many of those laying around the house, but that's not the point. The point is to use that as one of MULTIPLE pieces of evidence to suggest that the item is used and not new in box. It was obvious with your first post that you are irrational, but now you have become hysterical. Get help soon.
>>28709128
If you're going to make a comparison at least make a fair one
>new car that doesn't have owners manual is the same thing as his optic doesn't have Allen key
No retard. 40,000 dollar car that's missing some paper =/= 100 dollar optic missing Allen key. A good comparison would be a new car that didn't come with an alternator or starter.
You're an idiot and you let companies cuck you around because you're a cuck. You bend over and let them fuck you because "well they tried their best". If I pay full price for a product I expect everything to be in the package when it gets here. I can't go to the company and say
>I'm going to buy this $100 optic, here's $90. It's not that big of a deal right?
>>28709201
...that actually was my first post.
I think you think I'm someone else. I was trying to hit a middle ground between the guy claiming it was like a car missing fuel injectors, and the guy claiming it was 100% okay for them to do that. It's not OK, but it's also not willful fraud.
>>28709220
>cuck this
>cuck that
>ur an idiot
Grow the fuck up.
>>28709220
>40,000 car
....
Are you aware that in America you can get a factory-new car off the lot for around $12,000? And that comparing a roughly $20 owner's manual to a $12,000 car is pretty fucking comparable on price ratio to comparing a $0.10 allen/star/whatever wrench to a $160 optic?
But obviously you're hung up on your cuckold fetish and it's the only thing on your mind judging by how many times you brought it up in that post.
>>28709220
Super butthurt.
Allens keys are like 5 cents and people typically lose them anyway.
>>28708840
>You're the one who ordered a Fail Zero BCG. Twice.
fuckin REKT!
>>28709030
you do know that the surface you circled doesn't touch anything inside the upper, right? Coulda just been a bad laser etching.
OP why dont you take a picture of the cam pin, you know, where you can actually tell if there is wear on it already??? Ehhh but what am I saying, its not like someone who orders a FAIL bcg twice would know such a thing.
>>28709232
>but it's also not willful fraud.
I wasn't going to use the F-word. Remember, I like Primary Arms and I order a lot of stuff from them. This is the first time they have screwed up one of my orders. To address what you are saying, though, there is a very clear and well-understood meaning for the term "brand new" in product sales, and when you sell customer returns or otherwise used goods which have been scratched up, are dirty and are missing parts, you're supposed to disclaim that. Otherwise, it's misrepresentation.
>>28709240
>waahhh I have nothing else to say because I'm a child who can't admit he's wrong
>>28709103
>and LaRue eventually got around to sending out a complete rifle after insisting we pay shipping to return the half-a-rifle they sent us
ladies and gentlemen, this is why I always say:
FUCK Larue.
>>28709267
>Autism
Selling guns to spergs must suck. A tool designed to kill people, instead sold to anal man-children who cry when there's a tiny little abrasion on the part that doesn't effect it's function.
>>28709267
>otherwise, it's misrepresentation
Do you know what that is synonymous with?
Yep. Fraud.
>>28709256
>$12,000 car
Enjoy your moped with 4 wheels
Also
>2011+5
>using a manual when you have google
>>28709201
>MULTIPLE pieces of evidence it's used
>in actuality, none
These are made in China and imported in that packaging. You order it, they ship it. Not every product is absolutely perfect when it isn't made in house. Shit happens. They will fix it.
>>28708430
Probably just a shitty coating of whatever marketing gimmick they dipped it in
Looks more like a manufacturer "defect" than seller error senpai
>>28708466
Heaven forbid you take your guns outside of the safe and get a scuff on them
Probably just wear from transit/manufacturing/pissed off chinamen who's economy is collapsing/pissed off ups box boy making minimum wage only allowed to work 25 hours a week desu senpai
>>28708565
>new gas tube
For what purpose? Do gas tubes go bad anon
>>28709273
What needs to be said has been said, and detailed pictures have been posted of both relevant items describing their condition when received. Trying to squeeze some sort of attack argument into what are basically open-and-shut cases is far more childish than the person dismissing you for speaking like a child.
>>28709288
Wow. Read the first sentence in that post.
>>28709304
Nah, built an upper from scratch and I need a tube. It's the last part until it's ready to fire. Just ordered it
>pic related MFW it comes in.
>>28709301
The packaging has scotch tape on the bottom so I don't think it was shipped like this from China, but yeah. I expect them to fix it.
>>28709304
>Heaven forbid you take your guns outside of the safe and get a scuff on them
Like I said, I have two other PA red dots, and neither of them look this bad. I don't drop my guns on the ground and I transport them to the range in a case, not in a truck bed. So, no. This is now what I'd consider normal wear.
>Probably just wear from transit/manufacturing/pissed off chinamen who's economy is collapsing/pissed off ups box boy making minimum wage only allowed to work 25 hours a week desu senpai
I strongly doubt that.
>>28709297
>spending more than absolutely necessary on anything
Enjoy your lifetime of debt to DA MAN/da republicunts/the NWO/da jewz/whatever bogeyman liberals are afraid of these days
Also
>2020-4
>WAAAAH IT DIDN'T COME WITH A MANUAL
>lol who needs the manual? We have the internet :^)
Sucks when someone out-argues you with your own argument huh?
>>28709304
>>28709304
>Do gas tubes go bad anon
http://www.vsevenweaponsystems.com/products/v7-extreme-environment-gas-tube
this is the one and only gas tube you will ever need to buy.
its made of the same material the ass-end of a jet turbine's spindles are made of, the metal that actually touches the fire for hours upon hours on end. literally will never fail.
>>28709345
Try screwing the optic on with the Internet faggot.
>>28709314
I did.
>I wasn't going to use the F-word
>Instead I'll use a synonym for the F-word and go out of my way to describe how what they did is exactly the F-word, but I'm somehow above reproach because I didn't use the F-word.
>>28709359
I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was a disgruntled employee who wanted to screw over his bosses on his last day at the company.
>>28709345
>implying I didn't save up for my car for years so I didn't have to get a loan
I know you're a poor fag because apparently buying a new car isn't possible without the bank helping you.
>>28709304
>>28709263
A little more than just a shitty laser etching. Cleaning soot off to find pitting = not fucking new.
>>28709346
>a complete overkill part to fix a non issue to still deliver shit were it will eat
>>28709384
Good. That's what (what I assume was your) first post felt like, and then the shitfest started and subsequent posts of what I'm assuming was you started getting sourer.
>>28709407
Dude, stop sperging out, contact PA customer service, tell them what they sent you. Send pictures if they want to give you shit about it.
Chances are, they are going to fix a fuck-up like that ASAP.
>>28709407
inb4 autismo chimes in saying "that's a feature!!"
>>28709297
>paying more than $12k for a car
enjoy being cucked by the man u gay homo
>>28709395
>I'm an anonymous person on an imageboard world renowned for being frequented by people that can't afford food every day (due to mental illness, being too young to have a job, being too lazy to have a job, or some combination thereof) and I'm hurt/insulted you didn't automatically assume I didn't need a loan to buy my car when 99% of the rest of the world, not just Americans, needs a loan for even a used car.
okay
>>28709395>>28709463
Enjoy trying to convince yourself your rusted out ford pinto was a smart purchase.
>>28709407
Take a picture of the cam pin.
>>28709407
>pitting
Those are casting flaws.
Still a bad thing though.
>>28709430
>and subsequent posts of what I'm assuming was you started getting sourer.
I am:
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>>28709384
Which of those posts are you saying got "sourer"? All I have done is give my story, explain when requested and defend my story, which I'd prefer not to have to do, but whatever. When people attack your story, you defend it until it's abundantly clear to the other person that you believe what you say.
>>28709493
No need. Just a nice ding up top. Otherwise fine.
>>28709407
>he still doesnt know what the cam pin is.
those can be casting flaws faggot. take a picture of the fucking cam pin and gas key face port.
>>28709493
>layers of caked-on soot on the bolt aren't adequate evidence that your bcg is in used condition
>i need to see the cam pin!!
Not him, but what would even be the point? Under what pretense would you think it's OK to send out a brand new bcg with that much soot on it?
>>28709342
>The packaging has scotch tape on the bottom so I don't think it was shipped like this from China
You have high expectations from China.
>>28709263
>you do know that the surface you circled doesn't touch anything inside the upper, right?
I'm not sure that's true, but even if true, that's what makes it so bad. You'd have to use shoot that thing A LOT for that part to start to show wear.
>>28709534
>with that much soot on it?
bolts get MPI. that means they have to shoot proof rounds, aka rounds overfilled with powder. It doesnt mean its used if they tested it and just threw it in the 'pass' bin and never wiped it down.
>>28709545
Again, I have two other PA red dots. The packaging on both of those doesn't look like this. Neither of them came with dust all over the optics. Neither of them came with scratches. Neither of them came with rub marks on the mount. I do know what I'm talking about, even if you are just speculating about something you have no clue about.
>>28708784
Dude your fingernails m8
>>28709560
>You'd have to use shoot that thing A LOT for that part to start to show wear.
are you retarded???
>it doesnt touch anything at any time.
>hurr you'd have to shoot it a lot for something that never touches anything to wear down liek dat.
ffs....
>>28709565
How many test shot do you think most bolts see before they get shipped out? You really need to give this a rest.
>>28709574
Yeah, god forbid you don't just sit around collecting NEET-bux.
>>28709575
The evidence contradicting your claim is staring at you in the face. The laser etching HAS worn thin. The bcg IS covered in soot.
>>28709520
Well, a couple of those towards the end were getting pretty hot (though mainly not at me), but I'd assumed wrong on a few posts that weren't yours.
My apologies.
>>28709407
>not knowing what pitting is
Retard confirmed.
>>28709585
LMT bolts are tested extensively. They come with brass rings in the breechface pocket.
perhaps your shit-tier bcg's come sparkling clean because they only test 1 out of a lot of 10k and clear them all for purchase, but quality stuff comes with love marks.
>>28709531
You mean "unused"?
>>28709572
>I do know what I'm talking about,
You don't know shit, noob.
>>28709615
Yeah, define "extensively". 100 rounds?
The more ammo they shoot, the more it hurts their bottom line.
>>28709615
False dichotomy and exaggeration. I am well aware that guns and many gun parts are test-fired before leaving the factory. I have never seen a new gun or gun part that was as filthy as the bcg in this thread. You'd have to fire something like 500+ rounds at a time to get it that dirty, I would guess. I regularly clean my AR after range trips and I've shot 300 and 400 rounds in between cleanings (and that's a lot of cost of ammo to spend on test-firing a fucking bolt!), and my bcg never even gets that dirty.
>>28709662
the nigger has been handling it, and do you see GSR all over his fingers? no. All you can see are is disgusting unkept nails and their delicious cake hidden beneath the surface. The cam pin is perfectly fine and unworn as his words, >>28709531
>No need. Just a nice ding up top. Otherwise fine.
what he refers to as "pitting" (from all that corrosive 5.56 people have been getting recently) is actually a casting flaw, because its a shit-tier bcg and probably cast. The laser etching probably didnt stick due to the "cris costa's cum-dipped" proprietary coating they put on it.
If hes unhappy with it, send it back, dont blog about it on /k/.
>>28708430
You should sue them in federal court.
>>28709766
>>If hes unhappy with it, send it back, dont blog about it on /k/.
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>>2870979
Fuck you,
K is my personnel blog
>>28708430
I had the opposite of trouble with primary arms. I bought a PA red dot, they sent me two red dots plus a 30mm cantilever mount. I sold all the extra shit and made money.
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>>28708784
My failzero bcg came in the factory packaging from primary arms back when it was on sale for 99 dollars during the black friday sale. Yours looks rough as hell too.
>>28709929
You are a cunt of a person. Die in a fire.
