So /k/ I come to you with a question. I'm in the market for a 6 inch 357 magnum revolver and have narrowed it down to the Ruger GP100 and the S&W 686+. I like both, but I'm leaning towards the S&W because it seems more refined and has an extra shot. What I'm worried about is that damn "Hillary Hole" on the smith. I've only heard of the lock failing once and that wasn't even proved it was the lock in the first place. Am I worried about nothing or should I just stick to the ruger? I'm also looking at the GP100 Match Champion but that's a 4 inch and I'm really wanting a 6 inch to utilize that 357 goodness better. So which one is best in your opinion?
>>28661335
Personally I lean towards Ruger.
>cheaper
>insanely durable
>lots of insurance for retard-tier handloads
>no HH
>much simpler internals, you can actually take it apart in the field
Downsides.
>Slightly heavier.
>Not as polished, but that's perfectly fixable.
Personally I have a Security Six and I have in fact once taken it apart using only a dime.
>>28661409
Seconded. It's the closest thing to indestructible you can get with a functional firearm.
>>28661409
Good points, Ruger's customer support is top notch. I also like how easy it is to change the front sight to whatever you like. The price is also more attractive but not really an issue. That 6 inch GP100 is certainly a looker too in its own right. Fuck I wish S&W did away with those fucking locks.
>>28661409
Same , fuck if our gp100 survived 1k+ of retards handling them ( majority anyways since we started letting in 18 year Olds in corrections ) there isn't much that can destroy them.
Not alot of love for the Smiths huh?
>>28661659
It is pretty.
>>28661335
Skip both and buy a 586 instead.
Another vote for the Ruger here. The simplicity and price were the main factors for me. Get a shop to do a trigger job on it and it'll shoot just as good as the S&W
I vote for the Smith. I have a 686+ with a 3" barrel, and I think it's a good carry gun. I haven't had any problems with the hillary hole, and I actually kinda like it.
The GP100 isn't bad either, but I think it's pretty ugly, so that's why I don't like it.
>>28661747
This.
>>28661736
That she is.....that she is.
>>28661747
I would, but no store has them in stock. Even tried used gun places like pawn shops and stuff. No luck. Are they still making them?
>>28661768
Probably going to end up with the Ruger to be honest.
>>28661788
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. The 686 is more attractive but the GP is not ugly by any means to me.
>>28661768
How much does a trigger job cost?
>>28661409
>>28661452
>>28661768
What's with all the Smith hate on /k/?
>>28661829
https://www.gunsamerica.com/945453503/NIB-Smith-Wesson-586-Combat-357-Magnum-Layaway-Available-Give-Us-A-Call-Today-For-Detail.htm
I personally want too buy one for myself but already got layaway on another gun atm(S&W model 49)
>>28661829
>Are they still making them?
They do, they just aren't the main like S&W is trying to push like the 686 is. They're part of the "retro" or "classic" line.
I was in your place not too long ago and basically the Ruger is the more economic and hardy choice. That said, I think Rugers are just plain ugly and unless you plan on really abusing and feeding a constant diet of heavy 357 loads through your gun, there's minimal chance you will ever bust one or the other, so I'd still rather have a S&W.
Another option is to comb gunbroker and armslist for older 5 or 686s without the internal lock. You can fairly often find them for around the same price or not much more as the current offerings and in my opinion you get a better gun.
Again, I was in your same place and after my research I would have rather looked for an older Smith, though the Ruger was my choice if that option failed.
>>28661859
It's because /k/ is irrationally afraid of the Hillary Hole, even though it's been disproved many times.
>>28661859
saying you like ruger is hardly saying you hate smith.
cute persecution complex though
>>28661879
Does Smith & Wesson still make the 581/681?
>>28661912
But there's literally no reason to not buy a Smith, they have a revolver for any need or role.
>>28661946
smithfags, everyone
I have the S&W 686 plus.
I actually don't really like it all that much. It's my first revolver and first .357, my main complaints..
Trigger is absolute garbage. Double action trigger is like trying to pull a train, single action is a hair trigger that will release if you even think about pulling.
Front sights suck.
Stock grips suck.
Also was unreasonably expensive for a .357 magnum revolver, even with its 7 round cylinder. Got it for like $700, got lucky.
Been considering selling it and getting a Ruger .44 magnum or something else instead.
>>28661335
nothing against SW but everything on ruger revolver is pinned (not screwed) except the rear sight and grips. also ruger warranty and customer service really is top tier
>>28661859
I don't think anyone expressed hate for the S&W but the Ruger just seems to be the crowd favorite.
>>28661985
RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE STOP HATING ON SMITH & WESSON!!!
I'm buying a Smith and Wesson atm(and plan on getting many more) but I'm thinking my next revolver should be a .357(smith I'm getting is only .38) and I'm thinking of a 3' Ruger sp 101(like Harvey Keitel in Bad Lieutenant) should I go for it in a few months?
>>28661859
Nobody be Haitian on em, I just like the Ruger better.
Kind of like SN95s and GM F-Bodies. Both are nice but I just like the late model SN95 better.
Tbh guns without mags are antiquated and any caliber over 9mm is redundant
>>28662156
>>28661999
Seconded on the trigger. My friend bought one a while back, the trigger is horrible. I have an older taurus 66 with a way better trigger. This just adds to the price of the 686, a trigger job isn't optional, the stock one is so bad I'd call it defective. I love revolvers, I have a smith (old model 19-3) that isn't shit like this. I''m going to be in the market for a new 357, but when he got his 686 smith just fell off the radar for me. Terrible.
Maybe I'll change my mind once he gets a trigger job, but that's getting awful expensive. I've shot a gp100 and found it very pleasant even with wacky handloads. It's heavy but balanced better, 686 feels too light in the whole butt area, the weight on the barrel (6") makes it feel heavier for being so front heavy.
>>28662156
Gun off topic but was wanting too get a Charter Arms .44 special Bulldog, found a place with a damn good price on them and they even let you pay within 90 days, what your opinions on one?
>>28661659
Both are fine guns. The Ruger wins simply due to price.
>>28662290
The older ones are okay, but I've heard that the new ones Charter Arms makes aren't all that durable. They'll shoot fine but don't expect it to last if you wanna put hundreds of rounds through them every weekend at the range. Other than that not bad, at least they're cheap.
>>28662405
Should I still get a new CA .44 bulldog classic or look for a old one?
>>28662494
Hmmm not really sure. Didn't even know they had that model honestly. Either way I don't know much on them. Do some research online and see what you come up with is all I can say.
General question for everyone, would it worth the time and effort to build a python from scratch?
>>28663025
Would you know how too? There schematics online? Blueprints? Someo F those can be an arm and a leg with some extra on the side but saw a few go around 1800-1900 on gunbroker and gunsamerica recently so maybe keep a eye out.
>>28662290
Alright son of sam
>>28663055
I mean buying all the parts to build one. Idk the thought came to me the other day, they are such a iconic gun and it's a project that I think would feel amazing to complete
>>28663086
Funny thing my name actually is Sam.
>>28663089
I say go for it. Be a great project, I doubt I could do it, I do a bad job field stripping let alone cleaning them.
>>28661335
Old model 19>GP100>S&W 686
Ruger wins on price really. Don't really see what new S&W has going for it. Handled a JM 8 shot S&W once and the trigger was miles behind my '68 model 10.
>>28663209
I would love too get a 19 if I could find one, getting a nice like new 49 soon but was wondering, which should I get, a model 10 or 36? How a Colt police /detective special for that matter?
If you're buying a .357 for life, get a GP100, if you want a .38 Special, get an S&W there are plenty of police trade-in Model 10s available. I bought this one recently from J&G Sales.
>>28663154
Is your Father named Sam? I thought not.
>>28663209
Model 19 is a stupendous weapon, but I usually never shoot .38's at the range. So my steady diet of hot .357 magnums means GP100>Model 19 for me. Just based on that fact alone. Otherwise I'd love one. Hell I'd still want one, I just wouldn't put thousands of magnums through that forcing cone.
>>28661335
>S&W
Easier to clean.
Looks better.
Better double action trigger.
Can twirl the cylinder via the ejecting rod
>Ruger
Cheaper
They can charge more for the 686 because it's a better gun OP.
>>28663267
this
cheap old smiths are fun for .38 special, just fucking don't put +P or .357 in them unless you want to lose a finger
my voter for a dedicated .357 would be the ruger, all day erry day. people also say they are ugly, but I think theyre great looking. they have a certain charm to them, like the old hi point carbines with the planet of the apes stocks
>>28663516
I did forget how easy it is to remove the cylinder on smiths. Something very appealing about just having to unscrew one screw. I don't necessarily think the Ruger is hard to disassemble either but still.......... At the end of the day I think I'm going with the GP100. I want this gun to last forever even if I shoot an unlimited amount of magnums through it. Thanks for the help deciding everyone.
>>28661859
Nobody hates them. Rugers are just built heavier.
Never thought I'd see the day when Smith was the new Colt.
Get a Match Champ GP100
SMITH OR BUST
>>28661859
I don't think it's hate. I used to be all Ruger but now that I can afford Smith, I tend to prefer them. Both are fine. Both shoot very well.
>>28662102
I like mine
>>28666341
If they made one with a 6" barrel and a full underlug, I think my dick would explode out of my pants
>>28666417
I would be happy if it had adjustable rear sights
Match, my ass
My first revolver was a Speed Six. I thought I wanted a Smith until I tried to release the cylinder. The Ruger push button ruined me. All the others just seem awkward after that.
>>28662156
>>28666341
I enjoy mine quite a bit. Somewhat wish I got a .44mag instead, but it's fine for what I want of a revolver.
>>28661335
buy a ruger.
send to gemini customs.
cum buckets.
>>28661829
where you get those grips???
>>28666407
What you think about the SP? More info?
>>28661335
Get the ruger, it has a stronger design and will last longer.
>>28661500
Is that the hiviz front sight? I just ordered one
>>28661946
I tried the 686 and the gp100 and the GP felt better in my hand. A little rougher around the edges, and a little heavy of a trigger, but I like taking shit apart.
I got a blued 6" GP. Hiviz front sight is on order and a trigger job will happen when I get around to it. They're both awesome guns.
>>28666417
This. I want a 6 inch barrel, so if they made a match champion in a 6 inch I'd be all over it.
>>28666497
They have a Match Champion with adjustable sights now. It's pretty nice.
>>28666891
Oh if I had the cash for that.....
>>28667473
Yup, just went today and put in an order for a 6 inch GP100. Very excited.
>>28667473
Yep, it's a great fiber optic if that's your thing.
>>28669710
Mmmm I kinda wanted the blued but went for the stainless for ease of cleaning. I still might get the blued one day.
>>28661889
I don't dislike it cause I think it will malfunction ion. I dislike it because it exists. With all the shady gun grabber bulshit S&W has gone along with over the years I will buy my guns elsewhere.
>>28661335
I have never had a Smith and Wesson lock up because of its Hillary hole, or at all for that matter, but I have had an LCR lock up on me after I short-stroked the trigger. I had to send it back to Ruger to get them to un-fuck the mechanism, which had completely seized up. Ruger does have good customer service, but do you really want to depend your life on a gun that might need to go back to the manufacturer for service in the middle of a gunfight?
My father has a Smith and Wesson 329PD (the scandium-frame .44 magnum Smith and Wesson which is supposedly notorious for having its internal lock break during firing). He's probably put 800-1200 full power .44 magnum rounds through that gun, which is A LOT for that gun, btw (this isn't the kind of gun to plink with) and it's still working fine.
Both are good, if going with a smith and Wesson, go for a older one, for new go for a Ruger.
>>28669922
Not bashing Smiths but why in the hell would you buy a gun that can't take a steady diet of whatever caliber it was meant to shoot? If 1200 rounds is considered alot for that gun I would not blow a good chunk of change on it. Just saying....
