Give me one reason why I shouldn't order this massive son of a bitch
>>28603133
Personally, I find it to look silly
Plenty of good gear out there that isn't military-esque
>>28603133
>$650 for a bag
might as well paint a bullseye on your back when shtf because you are a target
>>28603133
I just bought it, holy shit.
what have I done that was supposed to me my glove money.
Go fuck yourself anon.
>>28603180
>getting mad at buying premium, indestructible gear
You are welcome.
i found this one for 35 bucks, what do you guys think?
http://nationalparksdepot.us/products/large-military-style-hiking-backpack
so are you going to get $650 of use out of that backpack or will it sit in a corner?
>>28603180
Wtf is glove money?
>>28603476
i think he was supposed to buy gloves for them, maybe.
>>28603253
jesus fuck WoW is such shit now.
>>28603133
Mystery Ranch is a quality brand. I got a bag of their's on deployment and still hike with it.
Not sure if the huge bag you're looking at is the right way to go. Depends how much stuff you're going to shove into it, but I found my smaller MR Expedition more than sufficient to live out of on deployment and use for a hiking pack. It can hold a lot and close to the body in a vertical position. I'm old now and don't play the "who can pack the most weight" game young guys do. I too out at no more than 60lbs of pack weight anymore, and the Expedition packs are more than enough to carry that much without being as huge as the pictured pack.
>>28603133
fuck off to >>>/out/
>>28603551
>military bag
>/out/
You probably hate plate carrier as well threads don't you
you would honestly pay 600 bux for some off brand pos back when you could easily get a bigger much better bag for way less.. I have one of these its sturdy as shit and frikken massive.
>>28603724
>bigger
>better
>sturdier
Hahahhahaa, oh god haha. Thanks anon. I needed that laugh. I used one of those pieces of shit in Ranger School and they're terrible. We regularly broke the plastic frames, the fit was fucking awful, and even unloaded the bag was heavy.
I'd take a civilian backpacking bag over that any day, and I know for a fact mystery ranch is better.
>>28603287
>It's only 600D.
I've been looking at getting one. The way I figure it, it's $40ish. I get one use it and give it a lot of abuse, if it holds up, awesome I have a new go bag, if not I'm not out a shit ton of money.
>>28603133
Hmm, maybe, but not at that price. Probably not even half the price would I buy it.
>>28603724
Mystery Ranch is not "off brand", they are very well made. The USGI packs are honestly pretty shit and their external frames are overbuilt, strangely shaped, and not as durable as you would expect.
Those packs are really only good as short haul to pack up all your stuff to and from a flightline. The smaller Mystery Ranch internal frame packs are better for mission packs, and the Eberlestock packs are better when you really do need a giant fuckhuge pack for some reason. External frame is a shit, especially when the bag is so fat rather than vertical.
>>28603133
If you have money like that to piss away on WAY overpriced gear. Knock yourself out!
>>28603893
>Mystery Ranch, one of the most respected and well regarded brands in the world, owned and operated by a world famous ruck designer who is known in mountaineering, hunting, camping and other outdoor hobbyists as the best of the best, is overpriced.
Found the poorfag!
Honestly if you don't mind the money go ahead, but for the same cash you could probably order custom made shit from smaller brands.
650$?!?!? not on your life even if i was a rich fag
>>28603133
I've been using a Mountain Ruck on one of the MR airborne NICE frames for years. Never had a problem. I've hauled everything from mortars to radios to a weeks worth of kit. The internal compression is one of my favorite features.
>$650?
>buy once, never worry about it breaking
>pic related, mine when I got it
To all the people bitching about price, eh, hiking packs are expensive. An Osprey pack half the size costs $300, and it doesn't have even the kind of padding and edge stitching.
Really, it depends how much use you get out of it. $600 is a lavish overexpense for a bag that sits in a closet, but it's not bad for a bag that actually gets a lot of use.
>>28603133
Only reason you shouldnt have ordered it is if a Kifaru or Hill People pack was better suited to your needs.
>>28603153
No, this is a bigger target.
>>28603900
I surely couldn't drop money like that frequently. Family life comes first and the pension the army pays to disabled soldiers is shit. I just have zero reason to drop 650 on a pack that I could get a 250 bag to do just as well. Understand that I am sure the stuff MR moves is high quality but either the mark up or the business model is shit for them to have those price points. They are geared to a market that gets lots of govt funding also. Think of it like getting a "normal" car that is reliable and sturdy, or getting a "super car" that cost as much as many homes. Heh, or like having one F-22, or 100 conventional aircraft.
>>28604076
>pension the army pays to disabled soldiers is shit.
Well if you aren't at 100% it's supposed to be compensation not a wage to live on bro.
>>28604076
>I have zero reason to pay so much for a high quality bag
>Therefore it is overpriced
This bag is meant for people who routinely beat the hell out of bags and use them a lot. It's not meant for people who go on half mile walks or use it for range days.
Don't apply your personal situation and think everybody else is the same. For people who use or travel with these bags, it's a not unreasonable price.
I'd get the 7500 over the mountain pack.
>>28604118
You may not fully understand how the army works when they medically retire you from service...
>>28604147
I am medically retired
>>28604119
post dd214 or you are just a dumb underaged poster making up shit.
>>28604156
>post dd214
Like that shit can't be faked.
>>28604166
then an hero on stick cam or post sharpie in pooper.
>>28604119
I guess I should say, hey guys look a company that marks their stuff way way up so they can make a fortune from the war industry, PMCs, and PMC wannabes. What the market bears and all that. I have a problem with anyone that makes something out of conventional quality materials then sells it like it was made from gold. Yes the stuff has a great warranty and is pretty much bomb proof. There are loads of people that still swear by the old ALICE gear, or the army issued rucks, or the bags some small business makes just for regular folks. There isn't really a way to say one way or another what is "the best" but one can call out that the markup is very high.
>>28604156
>>28604166
Like I would bother trying that hard to "win" an internet "discussion" Not to mention, why rise putting that kind of info out on 4chan of all things? Not sure how many of you people were around when /b/ mailed hundreds of empty boxes to a guy that pissed off another anon.
>>28603133
>Internal frame
>Plastic buckles
>MFW
Just get a Savotta LJK for half of that price, if you don't need a big ruck. 78 liters is only medium size. The price is not the issue but an external frame is a must in my opinion and I have positive experiences with that Savotta ruck.
>>28603133
There are better packs for a much cheaper price, in my opinion.
If you can find surplus Swiss alpines packs, they're worth it, however, they've gone up in price.
That said, I think I'd rather buy pic related pac or, if I needed more space, I would pick up a black 100 liter pack.
I don't think I could ever justify spending more than 300 on a pack, but it's your money.
>>28603133
I have 650 good reasons.
>>28603253
That seems ridiculously good.
>>28603900
Why spend $600 bucks on that when I could buy a Kelty internal frame Red Cloud 110 for like $150?
Bigger bag made by a company that has been making hunting and outdoor bags for decades for 1/3 the cost
>>28604151
Granted retirement, not just med boarded out then collecting from the VA. Don't have to be 100% to be marked off under Individual Unemployability.
>>28603512
That's not real, dingus
>>28603476
I had saved up money to buy gloves and try each one out. I had an entire list and everything. Welp, guess another two weeks without gloves.
>>28603512
>now
It was always shit. Blizzard fags have brain damage. And they ruined videogames with their memespamming bullshit.
>>28603512
>Now
>>28603133
Because you could buy a LL Bean canvas rucksack for next to nothing compared to that cost.
>>28603133
because backpacking bag exist.
>>28603133
Because it costs $650, as oppose to <$100
Just get a hiking bag from Wal-Mart. They're cheap and last a while if you don't treat it like a floor mat.
>>28603747
>I used one of those pieces of shit in Ranger School
Prove it or it never happened.
Not arguing thou that army bags can have... issues.
I'm gonna be in a 25lb pack laughing as you big bag guys get picked off one by one. I'll be bounding lightly over the corpses and sprinting at full speed through alleyways while you INCH baggers are trying to have it all.
Build a cache, pack a 3-day bag, and you'll never get stuck lugging 85lbs innawoods.
While I wouldn't drop $650 for a pack I will forever be a shill for their Hot Top firepack. The thing is fucking amazeballs for weight distribution making 45 lbs of gear feel like 20 and is worth every penny for making hiking and working on fires less fatiguing.
Or you could just do an osprey and not draw attention to yourself.
>>28612471
>or you could by Arcteryx and have some self respect
>>28612504
Touche. I wish I could get myself to buy arcteryx, I know they're better, but I don't use mine enough to justify the cost. Osprey has worked well enough even after loading up my 60L to well over 50lbs for some long ass back packing trips.
>>28605007
>that's cause it's an epic
Too bad it's not real
>>28603133
Do what I did anon. Enlist. Get deployed. New high speed kit issued out for deployments comes with sweet mystery ranch pack.
>Hey LT, whats all on the hand receipt for this stuff.
>Only the computer, anon.
>rog
When we were handing our shit over to the 82nd, we broke into what used to be our storage room that they just signed for and stole them. The next day, 3 LTs and 2 E4's were in line at the post office sending them home. Best loot I've gotten thus far.
>>28612586
The Marine ILBE ruck was designed by Arcteryx and can still be had for under $100 on eBay.
Just sayin.'
>>28603133
Because mystery ranch sucks a big dick and there are WAY better pack out there for the money.
You can buy a nice 90 liter hiking bag and a camo pack cover for less than half the price
>>28614114
ILBE isn't bad if you can get it cheep but the new USMC main pack is better by a big margin having used both.
>>28603724
>spot the dude that doesn't use his gear for anything
Issued rucks are garbage. There's a reason SFQC dudes use everything but.
>>28614139
>better packs than Dana Designs 2.0
>for "the money"
Every outdoorsman ever would like to have a word with you, keyboard commando
>>28614139
What's a way better design. I've always heard top 3 brands were mystery ranch, hill people gear, and kifaru? Check the spelling I'm not sure.
>>28604672
Is the ljk really as comfortable as I've heard. I read somewhere its suppose to be one of the GOAT issued rucks. I kind of want one but I'm not sure if its worth it.
Looking at an Eberlestock pack sometime later this spring, once backpacking weather finally returns to Colorado.
Anyone have one? I can't seem to find any actual negative reviews of them.
>>28616553
I have a GS2 and I like it. Took it to the top of Shavano
Mystery Ranch guru Dana Gleason makes impeccable packs, pricey but well worth it.
still use 2 Dana Design packs I picked up 20 years ago. Bomb proof.
>>28612391
>pic related
>>28603133
>Literally a glorified ALICE Pack for $650
You can buy a large good condition ALICE and Frame for like $70 on amazon, but you can get em way cheaper at surp stores or garage sales if you can find them
http://www.amazon.com/Military-Large-Olive-Straps-COMPLETE/dp/B005BTVG94
and some improved MOLLE II straps for around $15
http://www.amazon.com/Enhanced-Shoulder-Straps-Desert-Surplus/dp/B00CHSR1C8/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1453322733&sr=1-5&keywords=molle+straps
The fastex clips and MOLLE webbing can easily be added to the pack if you are any good at alterations (even if you aren't, it's not difficult to follow a tutorial).
Then that leaves you with a Ruck that's practically identical to this one (minus zippers) for about 1/5 the cost
>pic very related
>>28620177
>external frame
>practically identical
No anon it's not. But I would agree that $650 is about 400 too much for the product offered.
>>28616352
I don't know what you've heard. It's not comfortable per se but the idea is that it feels the same no matter how much load you're carrying. In my experience, internal frames feel good up to about 10-15 kg and after that the comfort level gets lower rapidly. LJK feels just ok at 10 kg, it's ok at 20 kg, 30 kg, 40 kg...
And the reputation it has is well deserved. It has been issued to Finnish special forces, rangers and recon for three decades and it has endured the abuse well.
You should consider it. It is one of the best rucks in the world, although not very well known outside Finland. There are three variants: the original LJK, LJK Modular and Jääkäri. Also, Varusteleka is currently testing a prototype of a new ruck with the same frame. I carried the original during my conscript service at Border Guard and will definitely buy one of the variants as soon as I stop being a poor student.
>>28614114
did that too, just the chick was way cuter
>>28620408
I prefer external frame rucks, there's just more attachment options (usually anyways).
Yea either way its way too much
