9mm vs .40
Which caliber is better?
>>28512059
9mm because .40 is gay
>inb4 .45
.40 is a worst of both worlds compromise that will wear your gun more
.45 or 9 choice is yours
>>28512059
Is that including 10mm auto?
>>28512059
40 super because fuck you
9mm. Same wounding ability as .40.
Less recoil than .40
More magazine capacity than .40
Lower weight than .40.
.40 has literally no reason to exist. Nothing of any value would be lost if every company and individual in the world decided to scrap every gun in .40 and destroy all of the ammo.
The only thing decent to come from .40 is .357 Sig, and that is only marginally more powerful than 9mm.
But really, why wouldn't you use 5.7 over 9mm? Even more capacity, even lower weight, even less recoil, can function in an AP role without needing special bullets, longer range.
>>28512059
9mm
40 short and wimpy fags can get out
>>28512317
I really want a 5.7 glock, AR or AK that dose not use the block drop top mag, I just want regular mags.
>>28512447
a 5.7 Glock, 1911, M&P, or pretty much anything would be fucking awesome. You could make a crazy narrow double stack Glock with 5.7.
Someone fund it, I'll buy 10.
>>28512059
.460 Weatherby Magnum
>>28512486
>>28512447
So what's stopping you from picking up a Five-seveN or P90??
>>28512486
I know this is a .40S&W hate thread...but I have CZ 75 in .40S&W, a Browning Hi Power in .40S&W and a Glock 35 and 23 in .40S&W and what I've noticed is that metal frame guns even aluminum allow frames and steel slides have a bit of extra weight compared to polymer pistols...and there is a 10mm Colt Delta that exists and I was just wondering why no one has made a .40S&W 1911...I'd imagine the size and weight of a 1911 would negate any snap and be perhaps a 9 round flush mag.
>>28512533
Eh, While a P90 looks cool and there is that conversion AR that uses P90 mags, I I'd rather use a traditional GI shaped mag filled with 5.7
Like how much can you fill in the traditional sized magazines of other guns like a slim 1911 .45 acp mag...how many 5.7 rounds could fit in that?
>>28512589
You could fit 10 rounds into a single stack 5.7 mag the same height as a 1911 mag. Make it double stack and you could fit 15-20, depending on the design of the mag and how much you modify the grip.
>>28512059
>9mm
cheaper
Easier for nubs.
>.40
The bullet is heavier.
All other points are moot.
>>28512533
Already have both.
>>28512628
Objectively wrong.
>>28512550
http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/1911-emp-40-cal/
http://stiguns.com/guns/trojan/
and I'm sure there's more
>>28512486
>5.7 1911
That could be a double stack within the same magwell with custom mags
>drop-in 5.7 mags and barrels for 1911s
>>28512654
>Objectively not knowing what either objectively or wrong mean.
>>28512639
>wound vectors
tee-hee
Get a real caliber, that overpriced .22mag was designed for military truck drivers and other to spray and pray with because they have less training and aren't supposed to have to fight anyway.
>>28512690
>im going to pretend you dont know what ur sayin even though its perfectly applicable
this is u
>>28512715
5.56 is just overpriced 5.7. 5.56 was designed to wound not kill because a casualty takes 3 soldiers off the field, where as a death takes only 1.
>>28512735
>fails to point out what's "wrong"
>misuses "objectively"
You seem dumb but perhaps you just meant that the post was too reductive.
Well, there are 2 kinds of people in this world, those that can extrapolate from incomplete data
>>28512755
>>28512755
>5.56 was designed to wound not kill
Is that what they told you on the History channel?
5.56 was designed so that a soldier could carry more of it and defeat any wave of Asian zerglings they may encounter.
>>28512797
>>28512784
>>28512769
So you admit you were objectively wrong.
Kay? Thanks.
>>28512059
I really hate to dabble in caliber wars but since I'm in an okay mood.
>9mm
>for high volume shooting, competition, plinking, personal defense and everything else
>.45
>if you're big on 1911's or like shooting with a supressor
>.40
>if you're leo/dod/coastguard or just have a hankering for replacing parts, accidentally shooting innocent bystanders or putting down an unruly neighbor's pet beagle
>rifle caliber
>if you actually want to kill something dead
>>28512843
My penis curves slightly downward.
>>28512059
40 is dying, bro.
>>28512809
>pic related
>>28512831
Do you get some weird pleasure from shit posting too?
>>28512059
9mm, because there's just a .1" difference in expansion between quality 9mm self defense ammo and most 10mm self defense ammo sans the boutique shit which can get up to .21" more expansion.
>>28512843
>.45
>if you're big on 1911's or like shooting with a supressor
Wrong, 9mm pistols are easier to suppress and 147 grain 9mm costs less than shitty steel cased .45 ACP.
AAC Ti-RANT comparison:
http://www.silencerforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=12&Itemid=215&limitstart=10
Silencerco Osprey comparison (first link is the 9mm version, second link is the .45 version):
http://www.silencerforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44:silencerco-osprey-9&catid=12&Itemid=215
http://www.silencerforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46:silencerco-osprey-45&catid=12&Itemid=215
9mm 147 grain ammo prices:
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger/-handgun-147grains-
.45 ACP ammo prices:
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/45acp
>>28512059
9mm but I think you knew that OP
>>28512886
>Do you get some weird pleasure from shit posting too?
You a newfag? You didn't get that joke?
You're objectively wrong lel.
>cheaper
depends on which brand and types you buy, so wrong.
>Easier for nubs.
preferential, wrong
>The bullet is heavier
Not all 40 is heavier than every 9mm load, wrong.
What moar you want retawdo?
If you can afford it and aren't a first time shooter, .40 is the best you can get for daily carry.
>Groups consistently
>Better barrier penetration than 9mm
>Fits in a 9mm sized gun.
The only downside is that it's more expensive and you should actually know how to shoot if you carry it.
Bottom feeding poor fags, people who can't handle a gun or need a lot of extra bullets should just stick with 9mm.
9mm is the caliber you chose
40 is forced upon you but works
>>28512886
That entire post reeks of newfag.
>>28512949
>http://loadoutroom.com/12077/fbi-going-9mm-comes-science/
>>28512949
>this is what mr poorfag says to desperately justify how he jumped on a $300 glock 22 trade in
>>28512933
Time to stop posting
>>28512886
kek.
Anonymeek posted shit comparing 5.7 to a caliber that is half as powerful, then said some bullshit about it being designed for some shit. I posted comparing 5.56 to a caliber half as powerful, and stated some bullshit about what it was designed for.
Enjoy your sour grapes.
>>28512997
>i-im just acting retarded guis!!
>>28512983
>The FBI is the standard by which individuals should strive for
bwahahahahahahaha
>>28513013
Come down, compose your words and try to form complete sentences mad fag.
>>28513016
>i know more than an entire agency that has furthered the worlds understanding of firearm ballistics by leaps and bounds
Wew lad.
>>28513016
who's standards do you suggest?
>>28512983
>FBI
>Can't even put Hillary Clinton in jail with overwhelming evidence.
Not the standard of excellence.
>>28513055
The FBI are a bunch of cucks with a habit of performing poorly in shoot outs. My standard is to be the best, which I am. You should strive to be more like me, I carry .40.
>>28513079
>heres something that has nothing to do with the related topic
>it proves im right guise =))))
>>28513081
shiggerdigger
>>28512059
9x19mm luger
>>28513040
>agency that has furthered the worlds understanding of firearm ballistics by leaps and bounds
Autofags can go home now, superior ballistics, accuracy and reliability coming through.
THIS IS NOW A REVOLVER THREAD.
>>28513102
Why not 9x19mm parabellum?
>>28513081
the reason the .40 even exists is because of the FBI. you sir don't know how to stop being cucked even after you wife has left you
>>28513013
How much longer do I have to wait to be with mai waifu?
>>28513108
>Accuracy
Fixed barrel guns have to much variation in the POI elevation when oscillating projectile grains.
Delayed tilt is superior.
>>28513107
IWBA was spurred on at the FBIs call.
>Which is better
Whatever caliber you can shoot accurately in a frame your comfortable with.
>>28513125
... fuck you got me.
Look the real reason I carry .40 is because I get more consistent grouping with it over 9mm. I think it has to do with the high pressure impulse but that's just a guess.
>>28513142
Kek, then why are all rifles fixed barrel tiger? Delayed tilt would essentially be the same as a fixed barrel for harmonics during firing anyway.
True American breakfast.
>>28512059
45acp
>>28512059
Why not both?
>>28513159
hehe. actually I have no problem with .40.
I bought my 9mm in 1993 and I got hammered for it because at that time everyone was running from 9mm because of the fbi to the .40. nobody trusted the 9mm anymore... the latest trade-in/trend back to .40 has been fun for me.
but really, I don't think anyone is under gunned or is at a disadvantage with any of the popular rounds. there is no magic round choice that will give you an advantage over regular practice
>>28513188
Rifles still need to be sighted in for particular ammo, everyone knows this.
If you are willing to sight in your revolver every time you change ammo, switching form range to carry ammo or whatever then they're very accurate. The thing is, for handguns, even autoloaders are more accurate than any shooter. I think the theoretical (clamped in bench) accuracy of a Glock or HK is like a 4" group at 50 yards. I don't know anybody that can actually shoot better than that, maybe Bob Munden I guess.
I have a .44mag and switching between target loads and bear loads is a difference in elevation of a few inches at just a few yards.
>>28513137
Robot waifus will be banned long before they become remotely attainable for the normal citizen.
>>28512059
.40=10mm
there for 10mm is beat mm
>>28513469
best*
>>28512961
LEO here, pretty much this.
I carried .40 for years, and I have 100% confidence that it will put holes in people but my agency just recently authorized 9mm, so I picked up a Glock 17 and I'm not looking back.
>>28512961
fucking this. The only time you should ever use a .40 is if you're a cop or coastie
>>28512059
40mm
>>28513785
What's the coast guards reasoning for .40S&W?
Sharks shrug off 9mm and lol?
Hey guys first time gun buyer here. Getting ready to go to a gun show at the end of the week and looking to buy my first 9mm. Want a home defense, and range gun that's relatively easy to take care of for around $300~
Any suggestions I should look for or brands to try to find ?
9mm I cant shoot a squirrel and still have something to eat.
>>28514033
>home defense
>pistol
lol
>>28514011
uscg fag here.
we us it because it is the service pistol for DHS.
overseas we still use the m9
>>28514099
For home defense I would say pistol is primary until barricaded...
>>28514110
I mean if that's all you can afford any full size 9mm that doesn't have piece of shit reviews is better than nothing.
But it's far less than what you should be lookin for.
>>28514155
For you, I'd say you need to learn to use a rifle indoors.
For you.
>>28514033
glock17 19
>>28514175
>Rifle indoors over pistol
Am I being trolled right now
>>28512317
Because 5.7 is garbage out of a pistol.
>>28514195
Nope, seeing as pretty much every military and every SWAT team uses rifles indoors instead of transitioning to pistols which they have access to.
You think there's no reason? You think you can't learn to use a rifle indoors? You think you don't sacrifice a shitload of superior ballistic performance and weapon controllability by opting for a pistol?
>>28514175
>learn to use a rifle indoors.
>implying
a handgun is better when gathering loved ones, operate doors, using a phone and carrying little ones. For home defense a pistol should be your primary weapon until you are barricaded.
>>28514192
>Glock17 19
Which one....
>>28514238
pretty much every semiauto rifle can be operated adequately with one hand
>>28514238
>a handgun is better when gathering loved ones
Why?
>operate doors
Sure, what's the performance tradeoff? You can't open a door with a rifle? Really? Try it sometime.
>using a phone
You're doing it wrong.
>carrying little ones
This is the ONLY place you have me, and it's still a serious performance tradeoff.
>For home defense a pistol should be your primary weapon
No.
>>28514283
This.
>>28514232
>every military and every SWAT team
you are not defending your home with the military or swat. you're methods will be considerably different
>>28513455
Shit, so I'm just going to be stuck interacting with mai waifu in VR.
>>28514351
>I'm only one person
>I guess I should give up a shitload of fighting capability since I don't have a team with me
Wat.
>>28514033
>for around $300~
At a gun show? A Hi Point C9 if your lucky.
>>28514033
>>28514259
goddamnit nigger you deleted your post on me >>28514046
Also fuck gunshows, all you will get is bad deals, beef jerky and despair for the most part.
>>28514132
God Damn I wanted to get into the CG so bad. I love you guys !
>>28512090
>.40 is a worst of both worlds compromise that will wear your gun more
New to handfuns. Please explain why it's the worst of both and not the best of both.
>>28512090
Not if you get one built around it.
>>28514796
It has the snap of a 9mm and the push of a .45, but if the gun is built around the cartridge its not a problem. It still penetrate better than both, and has more reliable expansion than both.
Daily reminder that Hickok uses a .40 G27 to hit the gong from 230 yards.
>>28514875
>but if the gun is built around the cartridge its not a problem
So something like the M&P? THat's a model I am interested in owning.
>>28514875
>It still penetrate better than both, and has more reliable expansion than both.
Citation needed.
>>28512654
All three of his statements are literally fact
>>28514995
And objectively wrong.
>>28512933
im cutting in.
ob·jec·tive: (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts
sub·jec·tive: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions
>cheaper
9mm lowest for .15 cents/round
40SW lowest for .21 cents/round
source:gun-deals.com (only semi live track i know with large selection)
If you average the 1st 80 ammo listings on gun-deals.com for 9 and 40, 9 is lower in price.
So he is objectively right.
>>Easier for nubs.
>preferential, wrong
you are both wrong as both statements are subjective. For the sake of this post we will null and void this point and counter point.
>The bullet is heavier
9mm lowest common weight of 115gr and highest of 165gr
40sw lowest common 155gr and highest of 180gr
(I did not include the 4-6 first lowest selections of ammo because they are either fragmenting or fudd G2 shit)
So adding up the avg weight of 9 and 40. 40 is heavy.
So he is objectively right.
2/3 for him and 0/0 for you.
This court finds you guilty of shitposting.
>>28512059
>9mm vs .40
>Which caliber is better?
40 Super, dont fall for the 10mm thin and weak meme
>>28515527
>So he is objectively right.
Comparing deals and bulk buys on .40 vs boutique rounds in 9 you will find the prices do cross depending on the product, objectively wrong.
>you are both wrong
I'm saying he's wrong to assume it's easier for new people, not that there's no instance where it would be easier. Reading comprehension required.
>So adding up the avg weight
Why are we talking averages? Like the prices, you'll find heavier 9mm rounds vs lighter .40 rounds the weights cross. Objectively wrong.
You tried.
>>28514822
This, why haven't gun companies realized you need to use larger caliber frame like a .45 ACP or purpose build a .40S&W frame, instead of cramming it into a 9mm frame?
9mm pushes the border of small bore pistol round and .40S&W while at the bottom of the spectrum is a big bore.
>>28515602
Can this faggotry be banned
There's shitposting
There's trolling
And then there's this
>>28515602
>major of 9mm prices are cheaper then 40
FACT.
>major of 40 rounds are heavier the 9
FACT.
get over it bud.
>>28515681
Absolutely, I agree with that statement, you win, majority are, 100%!
Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with the post I first responded to.
>>28515675
Fortunately for him, being a complete retard talking about shit he doesn't know a single thing about isn't a bannable offense. And even if it was, /k/'s mods are fucking retards.
>>28512059
They feature similar ballistics and lethality, and one allows for a higher capacity magazine in the same size gun.
Which do you think?
>>28515699
it has everything to do with it!
objective = fact.
it is fact that most 9 is cheaper then 40 is most instances. yes there will be outliers on both ends of the scale and some overlap.
it is fact that most 40 is heavier then 9 is most instances. yes there will be outliers on both ends of the scale and some overlap.
I dont think you can get any more objective with this.
>>28515815
>it has everything to do with it!
Read the fucking original post you moron, and then get back to me, holy shit you're jumping in on something you have no idea about.
>>28512628
Point out where MAJORITY was stated nigga. Indulge me, start making shit up.
>>28515848
dude.
>>9mm
>cheaper
it was just a generalized statement.
I backed it up with a statistical fact.
>>40
>the bullet is heavier.
it was just a generalized statement.
I backed it up with a statistical fact.
Im now inclined to agree with the other posters, about you.
>>28515930
>it was just a generalized statement.
That's wrong
>I backed it up with a statistical fact.
The statistical fact is correct, the generalized, extremely broad sweeping statement, and then stating all other points are moot, is objectively wrong.
>Im now inclined to agree with the other posters, about you.
Doesn't change the facts.
>>28513772
>LEO here
HEY FAGGOT, FUCK YOU!!
>>28513455
>ywn live the life of a sketchy black market waifu distributor.
>>28512059
10mm
>>28512317
Why the fuck are you back?
.40 hurts my hands and I suck dick so 10mm is out of the question
>>28512895
Gonna need to see some data on 147 grain 9mm vs 230 grain 45 first.
>inb4 overly hostile response
>>28512059
objectively, round vs round? .40 obviously. more power and energy and size
9's advantage is in capacity and weight, so if those are more important to you than a bit more ballistic energy there you go
>>28512639
post more pics, maybe if you have any outdoor ones i could use for a desktop wall paper
>>28514300
Handguns are better if you're able to use an intruder as a human shiel
>>28517150
What do you mean by data?
>>28515848
>Point out where MAJORITY was stated nigga. Indulge me, start making shit up.
Don't have to make anything up, you're just a moron. There's exceptions to everything and I don't care that there is some overlap. For example, white people tend to be smarter than blacks but I'm certain that rule does not imply in your case.
>>28515955
>extremely broad sweeping statement, and then stating all other points are moot, is objectively wrong
Any other statement is either an extrapolation from what's posted here >>28512628 or is incorrect. Going on about pedantic subtleties is subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=moot
>>28514822
> LEM
eww
>>28514033
9mm beef jerky, enjoy your first beef jerky show
>>28514232
>>28514232
almost every swat team uses pistol caliber sub machine guns, for a reason. have you ever shot a rifle indoors?
>>28517210
Something like expantion in gelatin or bullet energy numbers from like 20 feet.
>>28512317
Holy shit is that really you?
so this is probably a good thread for this:
how does /k/ feel about 357sig
>>28517301
>>28517292
This work? 147 grain 9mm tends to perform pretty well from what I've seen.
>>28517333
Here's another one for Speer Gold Dots.
>>28514875
hickok's gong is about 80 yards away
when he backs up behind his house and shoots over the hill, he's shooting 230 yards. he only does this with rifles
still impressive though, 80 yard shot w/ pistol
>>28517341
>185gr 45s expand larger than 230gr 45s
wut
>>28513469
>1200 fps
more like 1500 fps.
>>28517356
>he's shooting 230 yards. he only does this with rifles
Hickok carries the same gun as myself, a Glock 27.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqIhmu9Fuk
>>28517361
>Not 1775fps from the glorious 40 Super
>inb4 a 5gr difference
>>28512059
both work fine for your average garden variety nigger. 9mm is probly your best bet though, more capacity, less weight, and more choices by far when it comes to home defense ammo.
main reason i like .40 is because it seems to be the last round to disappear off the shelf after mass shootings.
>>28513772
>I just carry whatever they tell me to
>>28517407
pistol round i should say
>>28517399
a botique cartridge that is pretty much out of production and cant feed from double stack handguns? no thanks.
>>28512639
You can always count on this weeb showing up when someone sends up the 5.7 bat-signal.
How old is that pic?
>>28517438
>a botique cartridge that is pretty much out of production
DoubleTap and Underwood both make it
>cant feed from double stack handguns
Thats only glocks, pic related holds 18+1
>>28517333
>>28517341
Looks like 9 and 45 did well. Disappointed with 40
>>28517481
FNX guy?
>>28517504
FNPfag shilling my obscure hobby cartridge
>>28512533
I've held a five seven and did not like the look or feel of it. It is to large for what it is IMO. Definitely would need aftermarket sights and a grip.
>>28512755
This filtering thing is going to come in handy I see. Your about to join Phil.
>>28517282
Pistol caliber subguns handle like rifles. MP5s and the like are more rifle than pistol. PCCs give the best of both worlds in an HD scenario.
>>28512090
.45 is an ugly number!
If there had to be something bigger, there should have been a .50 ACP!
Sorry, y'all screwed up!
>>28512784
>>28512797
>>28512886
>all these idiots taking the bait
