I never shot a .380, it's like a short 9mm, right?
>>28453594
Yes.
Be choosy with your ammo, look at some gel tests to IWBA standards out of similar length barrels.
>>28453594
.380 would be as small as I would go
And honestly that's only because the self defense loads they put out for it now, some self-defense .380 is actually pretty respectable
>>28453594
I don't carry below 12g.
Basically
And yes, any round that will reliably penetrate 12" of properly calibrated ballistic gelatin is suitable for self-defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts
This guy tested a bunch of different .380 ammo, and Precision One reliably penetrated to 13" inches and expanded properly.
>>28453637
I dont carry below 20mm
9x18 Makarov and .380 are the lowest I'd ever go.
People who carry .22 handgun astound me. Yeah I wouldn't want to get shot by .22 but for fucks sake step up to an actual caliber that justifies having a full-sized gun built for it
>>28453594
9x18 is stronk but .380 is weak, that extra millimeter of case length is the difference between life and death.
>>28453779
Read some real life accounts from people who have used .380 in self defense situations then get back to me.
Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated with a 380. It's all about location.
>>28453796
.32 ACP is better than .380
>>28453796
32 acp has successfully been used in militaries and in police service for over a century
I carry a makarov in 9x18, bretty gud id say. I trust my life to it and its comfy and ergonomic so why not.
pic unrelated
Depends, I even carry .22 magnum depending on what I'm wearing or where I'm at.
>>28453594
.30 mauser and 7.62x25
>>28453806
>>28453812
That still doesn't mean .380 is any less effective.
>>28453670
It's not .22's ballistics that are problematic, it's the inherent unreliability of rimfire rounds.
>>28453890
.25acp
I pocket carry my beretta 3032 as a backup or when I shouldn't have a gun, like traveling in certain places
>>28453820
>comfy and ergonomic
>dick grips
>>28453650
I don't carry below RPG
>>28453650
Can you imagine a situation using this for personal protection
Wasn't there a murder suicide?
Anybody have the pic or link?
Some dude shot his wife in the head (she was in bed). Then killed him self. She woke up, bleeding but 100% fine. Police were like "are you ok"?
It was some pussy ass .380 fmj.
Based on videos I've seen of various .380 loads, I definitely wouldn't want to have that for my last defence. I'd be happy with 9mm in a handgun the same size despite the increase in recoil.
>>28453670
If you really just want to magdump into a mother fucker and get out then a .22 is okay CCW. Noise is another factor, some people are legitimately frightened by loud guns and know they would either fire poorly and hesitate when confronted with firing in self defense. Not saying those aren't things that could be corrected with training but I would rather someone who is that bad at guns be throwing out .22 slugs than full bore .44 magnum.
I personally carry a .38 LCR because its a handy little gun and one of the only snub nosed revolvers I've handled that is really enjoyable to shoot. My old scandium framed S&W wasn't kicking like a mule or hard to keep on target, the gun itself would just wear on my hand after 50 or so rounds.
I would say .380 and .38 special (from a snub nose) are about on par with one another as the bottom row of acceptable carry calibers.
>>28453806
>>28453812
Been used by tiny european manlets to shoot other tiny euroPEONs. Americans come sturdier than that, .380 is the bottom of the barrel here.
I carry my mak for shits and giggles on occasion and I would trust my life to .32acp but you won't catch me carrying a .380.
>>28454017
>I would trust my life to .32acp but you won't catch me carrying a .380
Toppiest of keks. .32acp is like a fucking .22. At least .380 has something behind it.
I personally wouldn't since there are so many small 9mms on the market now that rival the size of many 380s and are a breeze to carry. However I would feel fine carrying 380.
>>28454043
Thats .25 not .32 nigga.
![p32_in_palm_350-300x245[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/17tumrR.jpg "p32_in_palm_350-300x245[1].jpg")
I don't bother carrying, so any caliber would be better than average.
Though with the ease of carry of the guns currently on the market, it looks like I wouldn't go for anything under 32 since the lightest semi 22s and 25s seem to actually be heavier or snaggier.
>>28453937
I don't carry below 120mm Sabot
.380 is kind of shit for shooting through a barrier, but otherwise it's an OK point blank defensive round, IMO
>>28453626
for example?
Buh....mah stoppin powah
>>28454264
I don't carry below Davy Crockett.
. 380 HST meets most of the FBI tests.
Is fine for light self defense, but single stack 9mm are so small now, that it's hard to justify using. 380 unless you need an absolute tiny gun like the lcp
>>28454374
I don't carry below Deez Nuts.
>>28453939
I don't have to imagine, a fellow /k/ommando used a 20mm for his HD a while back
I would carry a .380 but with how small some 9mm pistols are I just don't have a reason to.
>>28454399
kek I remember that.
>>28454399
PONNNNNNNNNG
>>28453939
>walking home from work, carrying my trusty RT-20 behind my back
>wild dindu appears, begins to chimp out with cobra 380
>whip around my RT-20 and fire
>my right shoulder dislocates
>my back shatters
>thrown 10 feet backwards
>dindu explodes
>dindu behind him is cut in half
>round goes through engine block of car parked behind said dindu's
>round goes though 2 more parked cars
>every car alarm within a 5 block radius goes off
>lay on the ground paralyzed from the neck down
>I did the right thing.
>>28453594
I wouldn't carry below 9mm.
Reason being, the only benefit I see of .380 is the tiny gun. With tiny gun comes tiny capacity. Once you're limiting yourself to 6-7 rounds, you might as well carry a 5-6 round snub revolver. Just as easy to conceal, similar capacity, more power.
Auto cartridges belong in larger frame handguns, where the small caliber benefits you with a greater capacity. And in those larger frames, again there is no place for .380 when 9mm is the same size.
But, that's how I see it, carry what works best for you.
>>28453966
I find this difficult to believe. I've shot plenty of things with .380, hard drives, frying pans, cinder blocks, frozen pumpkins, and from what I've seen even a .380 do to those, a skull wouldn't be an issue.
If the only other alternative is to be unarmed then yes, .380 is acceptable.
First rule of a gun fight: have a gun.
A .380 two shot pocket pistol in a holster you have on you 24/7 is infinitely more useful than a 9mm/.40/.357/10mm/.45 full size duty pistol you have on you "sometimes."
>>28454441
and I didnt see that the RT-20 is recoiless, so replace that with an NTW-20
>>28454441
fucking kek
>>28453906
I really like 25 acp, I feel like if they made more guns chambered in it that had a greater than 3 inch barrel and decent capacity, it could become the new .22LR
>>28454464
dude all jacked up on murderlust probably grazed her head
>>28454464
Skull wouldn't stop it. If he did hit her in the head, it would have to be either a bad shot through the lower front part of the head or one of those freak occurrences where the penetrating object somehow misses all the parts of the brain vital to immediate survival. And just because she survived it doesn't mean she's living at the same quality before she was shot. Without more info, anon's anecdote is shit.
>>28454358
Lehigh defense xtreme penetrators give a .380 the same penetration as a 9mm. Those things are pretty boss
>>28454441
In the legit HD one, the guy was sighting in a bore scope with it in his garage. Fuckbois drove up and kablamo, RIP his eardrums. Anyone have that greentext saved?
Lowest Id go is 380 for a pocket gun. Id use Lehigh extreme penetrator.
>>28454480
>not ccing an oerlikon l70
>>28453637
>>28453650
>>28453937
>>28454264
>>28454374
Carrying anything below 800mm. CC a Gustav or go home. It's like you all want to get raped by dindus.
Not enough stopping power
Fat Man in hip holster.
Little Boy in ankle holster.
>>28453820
What holster do you use for your mak?
>>28454441
I want to see that in a movie
>>28455251
sounds like Bollywood senpai
>>28453650
I center a single shot break action 20 mm snub on the center of my chest with a series ofor straps resembling a six point seat belt. I keep a round in the chamber, with the action broken. When I need to defend myself, I use a wire in my left sleeve to pull the barrel up, and a wire in my right sleeve to work the trigger. To onlookers it appears as though I briefly work an invisible marionette, then my chest gets a boner and the person in front of me explodes.
>>28455442
and you die from internal bleeding because the ribs will break and the news headlines will be like
>"Local man does Magic trick with Chest Erection"
>>28454043
Noguns detected.
>>28453594
I carry a .32 H&R Magnum Smith & Wesson Airweight Ti 332 revolver as my CCW. So light you forget you're carrying.
>>28453594
would and have. Sometimes you just need a pocket gun and anything is better than your hands. You can argue ballistics all day but If I put 3-4 rounds of anything in your direction odds are you will fuck off and more then likely will not have body armor, a rifle, 5 other friends willing to die for my pocket change. Sorry mall ninjas, but tis true. If youre really that paranoid about X number of situations then OC a rifle and be done with it
i cc a .177 cal pellet rifle in my anus desu family cuz britcuckistan
>>28453806
Something to consider in the factors of what a CCW can do for you.
Most .32ACP guns have the same terminal power as .380s. Besides the Tomcat 3032 for example is smaller, lighter, quicker to aim with shorter barrel for those 1-10 yard triple taps.
If I know there is going to be trouble and expecting it, grab your .45 ACP or hand cannon or raifu.
A deadlier, heavier round has compromises with the amount of ammo you can carry in the magazine, and sheer bulk of CCW counter issues.
Yeah, lets see you whip out that 9mm beast of a gun with rails on it and twist your wrist to aim .1 seconds slower. Not all of us lift weights for a living, and may have carpal tunnel.
>>28453594
my CC is a 32acp. I don't have a problem with it, I wouldn't have a problem with CC'ing a 22 if it weren't for the unreliability.
>>28456227
I sold my .380 Bersa Thunder CC for $150 due to the fact that the barrel was too fucking long for my taste, twice as heavy to sling around to shoot quickly at targets in 360 (alone at the range ).
Besides looking kewl as the James Bond Walther PPK clone made in Argentina, the tear down the firing pin was a bitch to put back together.
I plated the sucker with nickel and nobody would bid on it on gun broker, so I dumped it at the pawn shop in desperate times.
Unless I can shoot 4-10 .22LR at a time like some hornets nest, I wouldn't depend on the CCW aspects of it.
The Tomcat 3032 is as loud at 9mm normal barrel length guns for the scare factor.
Still pissed at the cracked frame issue on mine. Beretta wouldn't replace it, welded and polished to fix it.
>>28453613
>>28453626
you guys sound like idiots
sorry, im not from /k/
this is the first /k/ thread im reading and the first two posts give off this huge weapons fag vibe.
its hard to explain, but guns are really worthless and its like this type of information is for idiots.
you are trying to sound knowledgeable about some worthless shit, like toys for grown idiots
>>28456413
>huge weapons fag vibe
what the fuck vibe are you looking for on the weapons board?
4/10 got me to reply
>>28454548
>things that totally happened
>>28456413
Here's that (You) you were looking for.
>>28454391
I have never seen anyone carry an ankle holster.
>>28453594
I carry .38 special, which is a step below 9mm para
>>28453594
smallest would be a .32 ACP, followed by .380, .38, 9x18 in no particular order.
that's my smaller caliber category I feel safe with before we get into 9mm, .40s and so on
>>28453594
380 is the smallest I would be comfortable using. makarov is go to. 9mm or 45 in winter months when you can more easily conceal full sized shit.
i think i've said this a few dozen times, but here it goes again: reliability is a new thing for mouse guns and the ammo you feed them, that's the only thing that lead people away from a gun so light you forget you're carrying with enough rounds to do the job.
>>28454511
Given the current price situation with. 22 in some places, that could be viable.
I personally love .32acp for some goddamn reason. Just wish it went so tapered
>>28456444
Just give him his:
>(you)
and let it go faggot.
>feeding trolls
>>28453812
>>28453806
I kinda want a .32ACP pistol myself, though it would be a range toy first and a carry gun only if I have a specific reason to choose it.
>>28456413
gr8 b8 m8
>>28457391
What a sexy gun
>>28458887
.22 lr maybe a bit iffy but how people feel about good quality .22 wmr?
>>28453594
Well this thread might have made me feel better about getting .380
What are some good affordable .380 carry guns?
When i was an underage innawooding loner a 22lr revolver saved me from a retared dog
If i had to CC a 22 I'd feel safe. I wouldn't choose it to begin with, but if i ad too I'd feel safe
Yes gun is better than no gun.
Some places in the world do not allow you to get a 9mm so the .380 is the highest you can go in a pistol.
In hueland, .380 for pistols or .38spl for revolver.
>>28459911
Pretty much any .380 is going to affordable. Walthers are good choices. For a slight step up in caliber you can get a Makarov and it's just as good for CCW
>>28459911
I always suggest the Bersa Thunder/Firestorm. It's inexpensive, reliable, and fun to shoot, plus it eats anything I put in it. She's a pretty classy broad.
>>28453594
Are people so weak that they cant rack the slide on a 9mm?
What's the best 380 ccw? I'm a 5'4" Asian manlet. I don't need a high caliber. Just need a weapon that'll end a confrontation by fear. That's good enough.
>>28454681
having trouble finding a holster/200 man team for my CCd Gustav. Any suggestions? Also, having to lay down railroad tracks everywhere I go is getting old.
>>28457391
would you carry 32 S&W?
>>28461355
Some are. My wife had reconstructive surgery after a double mastectomy, and lost a lot of upper body strength. She's getting it back, but still has a hard time racking the slide on her CZ75, but has made progress on her Glock.
>>28462541
maybe, it wouldn't be my first choice but a bullet is a bullet
id probably just be carrying it for the hell of it though
>>28461373
>Wants a gun for self defense
>Not prepared to use it
Asking for trouble
>>28455442
Shot placement is what kills the man. So practice will improve shot placement. So shoot what will encourage you to be a better shot. A lady who's afraid of the 1811 her husband gave her might end up being less deadly than a lady who shoots her .25 every other day.
>>28453890
>inherent unreliability of rimfire rounds
Remington .22 is unremitting shit that's only good for plinking.
I've never had a dud CCI or Aguila.
>>28453966
>bleeding but 100% fine
he missed cause he was shaking like a leaf
>>28456413
I hope you get facefucked by a chainsaw
>>28453594
Two dudes that I know who have served in Vietnam and then Iraq (multiple tours each) are both carrying .380 and are quite confident it'll do the job.
>>28453641
>penetrate
The catch is that you don't want it to penetrate. You want it to stop before exiting and thus transfer all its energy to the target.
How much of energy is a different question.
>>28453973
But then you run into a different problem - longer barrels will result in higher bullet energy, but bigger guns are a nuisance to CC.
It's a can of worms. Learn to shoot better and faster, carry spare mags, and Bob's your uncle.
>>28456413
>>28462915
Well then prepare for double
>>28456413
It's hard to explain, but anime is really worthless and it's like this type of information is for idiots.
>>28462915
I am willing to use it. I just don't need something that blows giant holes. The sound of a gun and getting shot are usually enough to spook anyone nearby to run away from me.
>>28455670
.88 lb of fun fully loaded. Six shots where a .38 Special of the same size would hold 5. 100grJHP gives 324 ft-lbs.
>>28453594
CC'd a P226, loved it but was like wtf this is huge.
Switched to pocket .380, was like this is cool but wtf no. Sold it.
Now CC a P320c and will never buy a .380 again.
>>28453594
there was footage on a show once of a store owner taking a face full of bullets from a shoplifter he chased. the guy fell and then rolled over and shot the guy point blank in the face with a small caliber pistol. you would not believe the scream. he stopped chasing though.
Yes.
.22.
>>28465953
>a .38 Special of the same size would hold 5
ever heard of hte colt detective speccial...
>>28467528
Sweet blog, friend
Care to elaborate?
>>28468097
Sure. p226 was/is mk25 in 9mm
.380 was S&W bodyguard, gun is fine just feel under powered with .380. More mental than anything.
Can carry P320c with bigger caliber and higher capacity with no problem so no reason to carry a pocket pistol really.
>>28454399
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