Classy Semi-Auto CC
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In roughly a year's time I'll be moving innacity for University. In between now and then, I'm saving up to buy my first EDC/CCW handgun, with a planned budget of around $500 though I could likely go higher for good quality.
While I understand the immediate push for a Glock 19/M&P Shield/etc, I am just about avoiding Strikers and all "modern" style handguns in favor of more "classic" semi-autos such as Makarovs, Toks, CZs, Walthers, etc. In at least 9mm or comparable (9x18 for example) This is pretty much a matter of personal preference.
So tl;dr advise me on a classic 9mm CCW pistol for around $500+
>>28412671
>a classic 9mm CCW pistol for around $500+
Military/police surplus Browning Hi-Power.
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>>28412671
>Posts about classic 9x19/9x18 mak handguns.
>Uses a photo of a 7.62 x 25 slavshit tokarev.
Classy conceal carry huh? Do you want to hide it under your fedora and cap too?
>>28412676
/thread
>>28412671
>muh carry gun should be classy
>muh james bond fantasies
>muh aesthetic
>muh showing off my piece to impress friends
dont be a faggot. most carry polymer guns because they are high cap, relatively low weight, and are relatively streamlined making them comfortable to carry.
The foremost thought on carrying should be having something that will get the job done, not be cool.
>>28412671
If you like the Tok, zastava m88. It's a Tok in 9mm.
>>28412676
Wow, fast response
Forgot to add, I'm a fairly skinny guy, so I'm being especially attentative to frame size, anything with a more compact build like a Makarov is very high priority. Will look into the Hi-Powers though, forgot they existed.
>>28412671
If you're willing to go up to $550-$600, you can get a CZ75b, arguably one of the best handguns ever made and drop dead sexy as far as 9mms go.
>>28412691
The area I'm moving to is not so bad as to necessitate 17 rounds of 9mm, and the specific models I'm interested in have all performed incredibly well as carry pistols for decades.
If you don't have anything relevant to add, why bother posting?
>>28412698
>>28412700
Am definitely interested in CZs but I know very little about the individual models, that 85 looks a bit big for me to CC, will check out the 75b
>>28412671
>CCing a tokarev
>1933+83
enjoy shooting yourself in the leg
>>28412712
Because fuck you that's why
>>28412730
>anons post allday about M1911s
>ask about a CZ or Makarov
>NOOOO FAGGOT STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
That's just sad man
>>28412671
Youre a fucking sperg faggot if you're making the decision to carry and would take a fucking tokarev or makarov over a modern carry piece. At least get a cz Rami and stop.being a hipster
Sig p230, now git out
>>28412752
People post here daily praising Makarovs as carry pieces, it's hardly 'hipster'. I threw in Tokarevs just to establish what I'm looking for.
You people sound like you expect me to EDC a .32 Ortgies just because I don't want a Glock. I didn't realize it was this easy to set off /k/'s autism
>>28412695
>Forgot to add, I'm a fairly skinny guy, so I'm being especially attentative to frame size
I'm skinny at 6'2 and 170lbs and can keep a glock 19 and extra mag on me concealed (no printing) with jeans and a tee. If you can't do that then dress around the gun.
>>28412712
>The area I'm moving to is not so bad as to necessitate 17 rounds of 9mm
The problem with CC is that we don't have the luxury of knowing what we are going into. And more importantly we're not exactly trained for how to react to stressful situations. Do you think you can reliability kill one or two person in the dark with 7 rounds? Or three? I don't.
I'm not saying you need to be super elite operator navy seal. But for me carrying is about not being apart of the "never going to happen to me" mindset and I feel more comfortable with my glock 19 and extra mag than I would with some 7 round single stack. If you think "Oh well I don't need 17 rounds because I'm not in a bad area" then why do you even to carry a gun?
>>28412770
Unless I'm missing something there aren't very many P230s in 9x18, I'm not exactly comfortable with only a .32 or .380
>>28412775
Then get a Makarov. They're fine carry pieces, only issue is ammo availability.
>>28412785
>If you think "Oh well I don't need 17 rounds because I'm not in a bad area" then why do you even to carry a gun?
Because I'm comfortable practicing with a firearm that only carries 8-10 rounds, is more concealable, and that I enjoy aesthetically as well as performance-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I see the value in Striker-fired handguns and I'm not trying to convince you that you should carry a Mak- so why are you trying to convince me to carry a Glock?
This same issue would come up if I was looking for a .38/.357 Revolver and it would be equally as redundant.
>>28412797
That isn't an issue at all.
>>28412797
Obviously, a Makarov is something I'mvery interested in but I know nothing about the price, availability of ammo, etc. That's what this thread is for.
>>28412671
>>28412797
If you decide on a Makarov, be sure to pick up a Wolff recoil spring. I got one of their heavier springs (23lbs I believe) and my Mak has such light recoil I can't help but shoot it fast. It's almost comparable to a .22lr.
>>28412671
Just get a cz83.
>>28412826
Good advice, thanks. Any info on trigger replacements? From what I understand Makarovs are prone to squishy triggers like many pocket pistols designed around that time
>>28412671
Colt 1903 pocket hammerless
Source an old J-frame off gunbroker or something.
Or get a new one if you must, I love my cute 637 with pink grip.
>>28412671
>classy
>makarov
You aren't a FAS drunk slav, and maks aren't classy, quite the opposite in fact they are trashy.
>>28412820
I got a bulgarian makarov from southern ohio gun co.
they're brand new, unfired pistols still in cosmoline. comes with a very nice leather holster, lanyard, cleaning rod, and maintenance log book.
I got mine for $300, they've since risen to $330 but still a good deal I think. Mine shoots dead on
http://www.southernohiogun.com/bulgarian-makarov-pistols-unissued-condition.html
>>28412844
Not looking for revolvers for this particular use, though when I get more settled monetarily I'm looking at picking up a S&W .357 and a matching levergun for reloading.
>>28412849
Class is a matter of opinion, though I'll admit it may not be the best phrase.
>>28412855
Awesome, will look into these, had heard of Bulgarian Maks but didn't know much about them and $330 is a great price if they perform well.
Has someone suggested 1911 yet
Will you be donning a trench coat and fedora with your classy carry piece?
>>28412877
Not interested in 1911s. I have no problem with them but they're a good deal larger than I'd like for CC and quality 1911s can be quite expensive
>>28412867
quality-wise they're right up there with the Russian ones. and typical to soviet design, any mak is nearly indestructible
>>28412723
They make a compact 75 that looks sexy as hell, as well as the Rami, which has a more European Brutalist look.
>>28412867
There is nothing classy about the mak unless you consider yourself a tranny and enjoy holding dicks. Not saying its a bad gun but its definitely not a classy one either. I used to CC one, they are okay for CC. You might as well get a shield and get something that is made for carry and will be better for said job than the mak. I've carried both at one point. Maybe look at a PPK, they are similar to maks but definitely classy.
>>28412922
Also carried a P01, too heavy during certain times of the year.
>>28412855
Classic Firearms has these as well. I'm tempted to order from classic just because my preferred gun dealer is one of their preferred ffls and that means no jumping through the hoops to get it in my hands.
>>28412922
Will check out CZ75s at some LGSs and see how it feels
>>28412931
You seem obsessive over the term "classy"
I like early 20th century pistol designs of all kinds, why does that trigger you so badly? I'm not on the CHEEKI BRIKI IV DAMKE CYKA BLYAT YOU SEE IVAN kick 90% of this board seems to be on, if that's what you think.
I am interested in the PPK but something about it seems very uncomfortable to hold, will have to finger a K/S next time I'm inna gunstore
>>28412693
You're thinking of the m70a m8 and it jams quite a bit. the m57 is way better but again it's in 7.62x25 which is like .28 cents a round
>>28412992
M57s are apparently common Surplus pistols, will look into one but it seems I'd be better off grabbing a new/unused Makarov for around the same price or a bit more
>>28412972
The thread is titled classy semi-auto cc. You're asking for a classy gun then considering a mak. That's like saying I want a luxury car and buying a 95 civic. So do you want a CC piece that is functional as such or a classy CCW? The mak is a decent choice for CCW but there are better options. You're fooling yourself if you think I'm triggered my friend.
OP sounds like a dumb kid getting his first CCW. Buy a shield and be done with it.
>>28413016
You're obsessing over a different anon's subjective word choice that was already admitted to be inaccurate.
I don't care if you're triggered but you're sperging out pretty damn hard son.
If I wanted a BBQ/Church gun I'd get some engraved pearl-gripped fuddyfive 1911 and it sure as hell wouldn't be $500
>>28413023
>buy a gun you don't want because I said so otherwise you're a dumb-head!
That's not how the world works Timmy
don't listen to the tripfags OP, just get what you want
>>28413025
Sounds like OP doesn't even know what he wants, maybe OP should think about it more and then create a thread that is suited to the topic. Don't forget your "classy" tracksuit too Boris.
>>28412867
You're arguing with one of the most worthless tripfags on the board. Don't bother, just ignore him.
>>28412671
>classy semi auto ccw
>op wants a mak
never change..
>>28412999
Yes and no, the m57 has started to be reproduced in the zastava factory by century international arms. It comes with a factory safety and an extra mag. It's about 260 in price the recoil is almost non existent. The sights may need to be worked on and the ammo (depending on if you get surplus or not) is corrosive and fast. When you shoot it be careful if a person is behind the person you're shooting because the bullet will definitely fly through. What city are you in it may be easier to help you out
Sounds like OP wanted a Mak from the get go and doesn't really give a shit about other suggestions.
So faggot, just get a mak.
>>28412712
I definitely had something relevant to add, numbnuts:
you carry a gun for protection. choose something that has that in mind, not something that you think looks coolest or pretty you faggot
>>28413072
>>28413025
>>28413016
Maybe he meant to say classic not classy. So far all the guns he's thought about were classics
>>28413110
Behead those who do not carry polymer framed striker fired pistols.
>>28413139
sandniggers pls go
>>28413139
>not using metal framed hammer fired pistols
absolutely haram
>>28413180
>carrying a gun that weighs twice as much as a polymer gun
>twice the weight, no benefits
>muh felt recoil
>implying polymer handgun recoil is unmanageable
>current year
>>28413098
>The sights may need to be worked on and the ammo (depending on if you get surplus or not) is corrosive and fast.
That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in all honesty
>>28413106
You mean beyond the HP, CZ75, PPK and M57 I've shown interest in?
>>28413294
What in saying is you get what you pay for. You can buy red army standard not corrosive for about .30 cents a round. The sights duos can easily adjust on your own so it just requires a little bit of time. The only thing that you can't really change is the power of the bullet. It's very fast and will most definitely pass through the target. You might be able to get hollow points but they may cost a bit more
>>28413203
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable.
>>28412671
Cross the TT33 and variants off of the list. Absolute shit choice for CC. The add-on safety sucks and relying on half-cock in a CC situation is just asking for a ND. Only safe option is empty chamber, and that's just plain retarded.
>inb4 "b-but Mossad!"
>>28412671
Nothing classier than a vintage, Belgian-made Browning Hi-Power.
>>28414037
I know OP wants 9x19 but seriously mang look in to the CZ82/83
>>28414056
>>28414066
>>28414083
>>28412671
I carried a Gen 3 green frame G19 for a couple years. Inherited my grandfather's S&W 642 Airweight and have been carrying that for the past year. I'm seriously considering a Makarov.
>>28412691
>that will get the job done, not be cool.
Assuming your gun functions as designed, they all get the job done. Copper jacketed lead is not a mineral the body needs.
OP, don't listen to that guy, be a faggot. Carry something cool.
>>28414037
Don't forget to find one with tangent sights, OP. Nothing classier.
>>28412676
Exceptional taste Sir.
>>28414135
>>28414177
What grips are those?
>>28412775
I'm a bit biased, but a Tok is an acceptable carry piece, IF you know which one you want. They're light, slim and extremely rugged.
>Classic Tok
No safety, only a shitty import safety that can't be trusted, and a half-cock. 8+1.
>Zastava M57A/AA
Refined Tok. New slide safety that blocks the firing pin and covers the firing pin face from the hammer. Also has a mag safety. Slightly longer grip gives you 9+1. Can be safely carried Condition 1.
>Zastava M70A/AA
Same as above, but in 9mm.
>Zastava M88/M88A
A smaller "Baby Tok".
But I think >>28412785
has the right idea. I fucking love the Tok, but even the Zastavas don't compare to a good modern pistol of your choice. And the price will be similar.
>>28414241
https://vzgrips.com/pistol-grips/hi-power/hi-power-simonich-gunner
>>28414151
That's fucking sexy, how much would something like that run?
>>28413294
The Tok sights are kind of crap, insofar that they're hard to see in low light, and there's basically no aftermarket. That being said, any semi-competent smith or enthusiast could modify them to your liking.
The 7.62x25 cartridge, like >>28413098 said, is light and fast, noted for its penetrative qualities. It's often compared to .357 SiG, as you've got a small round zipping out at like 1300 fp/s. Hollow points do exist, but it's hardly ideal in a CC or HD scenario. I'd go with the M70, since 9mm would alleviate some of those concerns.
That being said, Toks shoot very nicely, with almost no felt recoil. They're extremely light for what they are, at just over 2 pounds, very slim, and pretty damn accurate. If you have to be a special snowflake, they can be carried, but lack pretty much any aftermarket. A modern pistol will likely serve you better, but that's up to you.
>>28414371
I'm liking the M70, but the lower caliber size compared to the Mak's 9x18 isn't great (not that .380, 9x18 and 9mm are all that different). The M70A in 9mm would be nice but it seems a bit big for CC
>>28414823
Well, if you're that concerned about size, go for the M88A. But to put it in perspective, here's my '42 Tok in my hand. The M70/M57 is only different in having a very slightly longer grip for that extra round. Otherwise, it's the same. They're very slim, too, maybe an inch wide.
>>28415068
I may have to check in on the size of the Zastavas, all the pictures I see make them seem a good bit larger than that with no scale of reference
>>28412841
been trying to think of a modern equivialnt to this fro some time now
best I can think of is the Kahr series, a beretta cheetah and the polymer .380s like the glock 42 and ruger LCP
I want a bigger then a matchbox sized .380/.32 that's not 100 years old, is that too much to ask for
>>28415231
>I want a bigger then a matchbox sized .380/.32 that's not 100 years old, is that too much to ask for
Wish someone was making Ortgies repros with some modernizations for just this reason
>>28412841
>Colt 1903 pocket hammerless
This or an FN/Browning 1910, those early commercial pocket guns ooze class.
>>28415255
whats wrong with an original ortgies?
Why would any Russian handgun even be in the discussion of a "classy" carry piece. Russian handguns are cheap, and rugged, not classy. If you want something classy get something Belgian, German, or Italian.
>>28415296
It's 100 years old. Not really a problem imho.
The slide needs a tad more vertical space to prevent slide bite.
>>28415148
They're more compact than you think. Find a shop that even has a regular Tok you can handle, and you'll be surprised.
>>28415304
A lot of people think they're classy. They're cheap because they made 50 billion of them, and they're rugged because they have to be. But those are good qualities. A high-price doesn't necessarily denote class.
>>28415304
It's been pretty well established itt that "classy" = early 20th century aesthetics according to OP
But if you have some European handguns to post go right ahead
>>28415351
it looks classy as fuck, saw one in a pawn shop the other day, debating on if i need it or not. dont really have much use for a new caliber (its in 32 acp) but it sure looks nice
>>28412775
>I didn't realize it was this easy to set off /k/'s autism
Oh my friend, you are in for a wild ride. Only /pol/ is easier to troll.
But I think your question is legit. I just got a CC holster for my Star Model Super B, and the frame is slim enough that it doesn't print. I'm 6'2 184 lbs. The only issue with the Star is the lack of parts, but then again, it's cheap enough that if I ever had to use it and it ended up in an evidence locker I wouldn't be super bummed.
>>28415395
I'm actually picking one up from an LGS for $275 in a few days just because of the novelty. They're not at all rare and from what I understand still quite shootable with conservative .32 ammo
>hey /k/, help me choose a special snowflake fashion accessory that I can show off to my friends so they'll think I'm edgy and maybe even a little dangerous!
OP a shit. Fine, you don't want a purpose-built polymer carry gun? How about something like a 938? You'd actually be able to walk into any gun shop and find appropriate SD load ammo for it.
>>28415407
>Spanish 1911
I
Wut
That's awesome
>>28415409
>Makarov, Tokarev, Walther PPK, any given CZ
>special snowflake gun
Are you retarded son?
>>28415408
thats what attracted me to it, it was only $260 and had a nice blue finish. looked and felt tight and well built. hmmm
>>28415435
Deutsche Werke or original Ortgies design? Easiest way to tell is by the grip emblem, OH is original, D for the factory makes.
The one I found is a Deutsche Werke and looked great. Would post but only have the one picture
>>28415420
It's 9mm too. I won't say it's a perfect gun, but it's pretty nice for $250. First one I got had a mechanical issue so I had to send it back, but they replaced it and my current pistol shoots great.
Pros:
>Cheap
>9mm
>Full size
>Easy disassembly
>Barely used guns
Cons:
>Brittle firing pins(so no dry firing)
>Some lack of replacement parts
>Expensive mags
>>28415428
You're retarded if you don't realize that's exactly what was going through OP's mind when the thread was created. Why else flat-out dismiss every reasonable suggestion other than slavshit?
OP if you want a mak fucking just buy one. Stop looking for hugbox confirmation and approval or fuck off back to reddit.
Fucking millenials are cancer.
>>28415451
it had deutsche werke stamped on the frame, thats actually what i had to google since i had never seen or knew what an ortgie was before that
>>28415495
>Why else flat-out dismiss
I haven't dismissed anything other than 1911s due to size/weight and Glawks.
On my list to check out are Hi-Points, PPKs, Bulgarian copies of slavshit, Israeli redesigns of slavshit, and now I'm even breaking my own rule checking out a Spanish bootleg 1911.
Why don't you post actual relevant information instead of screaming like a child when someone likes what you don't like?
100% guaranteed that anyone sperging about OP wanting a gun that looks good over "muh functionality" wears cargo shorts on a daily basis.
>>28415626
>looks good over "muh functionality"
I didn't realize aesthetics and functionality were mutually exclusive
I got a surplus Hi Power from AIM for my first-ever pistol, and I carry it frequently. Not always, I have to wear scrubs to work, but I pack it around all day every weekend.
I love the BHP, and I promise I'm not a snotty fedora. Actually I'm a little embarrassed that my favorite pistol has such an obnoxious association.
But really, I think it's ideal. I like cocked and locked carry, I like the fact that the safety locks the action, the steel frame makes it a pussycat to shoot, it fits my hand like a lover. I don't find the weight to be excessive.
Having said all that, if I was able to carry 24/7/365, and I had to keep it concealed, I'd probably also get a Shield just as an alternative option.
Cz75 + shoulder holster
Else
Bulgarian Makarov + any cc holster
>>28413945
The zastava m57 doesn't have a add on safety it is factory made
Not exactly classic, but Kahrs are great and I personally think that the K9 and T9 are two of the most attractive modern, compact handguns
Also a Beretta Cheetah, if you're alright with having such a big .380 or .32
>>28412676
This guy knows what's up. My BHP carries very well.
>>28412671
OP There is only one option:
Is there any good place online to order used BHPs?
>>28415626
what's with this new pants meme?
>>28416423
AIM Surplus has them pretty often, but you won't see the exact gun you're buying before you get it. Instead, they grade them and you'll get a grab-bag gun that meets their rating system for condition. They do get these guns in batches, so if you don't see them for sale right now, then sign up for their newsletter and wait.
An alternative is to search Gunbroker for "surplus hi power" or "hp35," which lets you view the exact gun you would be buying from two sellers who have them pretty regularly. These guns typically sell for about the same as they go for at AIM, if not a little less. Again, if you don't see what you like right now, then don't feel compelled to buy one right away. These guns come into the country in batches.
Pic related is my blued T-series Hi Power I got from Mach 1 Arsenal on Gunbroker. Selling price was under $450 if I remember correctly.
>>28416423
Also, Cabelas sometimes has them in their used gun room, although usually for around $100 more than you might find on Gunbroker (like all guns at Cabelas).
>>28416670
>>28416655
Thanks bro
>>28415231
Boardwalk empire made me want a 1903 hammer less so bad.
>>28412671
3913 master race
>>28414431
Probably somewhere around $1000 - $1200 if you can find one.
>>28417607
Well damn
>>28419537
Sorry bud. That price is for one of the ~7000 or so that were imported to the States. You might be able to get a gunsmith to put a tangent sight on a police or mil surplus model for cheaper, but that kind of takes away from the mystique.
>>28412729
Or you could just not carry one in the chamber. But I agree that the Tok isn't a good CC weapon.
>>28417334
I really dig metal S&W semi autos< too bad they cost so much now
>>28412729
CCing a tok isn't that bad. I do it all the time condition 2. Just make sure that if you got the cheap import safety, you take t to a gunsmith and get it done properly. If you have the zastava m57a like me. You're good
