Hi guys, just want to know what your thoughts are on this subject. Basically I'm applying for an Intel agency in the Australian intelligence community and one of the questions asks whether I "have used drugs in the past (including marijuana)".
I have only smoked weed once back in 2008, I'm 23 now and that was the only time and it was a joint. Now the issue is whether I should tell them or not, I'm feeling inclined to tell them, as I want to be honest but I feel that it might affect my application...what do you guys think?
>>28355874
Don't do it, fucktard.
They can't prove it, and if you tell them you castrate your chances.
Just say you never have and STICK WITH IT.
>>28355874
WHY WOULD YOU ADMIT TO COMMITTING A CRIME ON A JOB APPLICATION YOU FUCKING RETARD?
IF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY, THEN THEY'LL NEVER KNOW UNLESS YOU TELL THEM.
DON'T TELL THEM.
>>28355895
I know, I know man. I mean if I say I haven't, wont they know Im lying as people in the past have at least smoked it once?
A good thing I have going for me is I dont have any friends that do it, except one who only does it with other people, Im in the australian army reserves if that counts?
>>28355951
>I mean if I say I haven't, wont they know Im lying as people in the past have at least smoked it once?
>someone applies who has never smoked
>YOU'RE LYING YOU MOTHERFUCKER EVERYONE'S SMOKED IT ONCE
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but you are clearly not intelligent enough for a job in an intelligence agency. You should probably rethink your career choice.
>wants to join an intel agency
>posts about it on 4chan
Way to trash your application.
>>28355874
If it's ASIO, they already know that you've posted this.
If it's ASIS, they already know that you've posted this, and have comprehensive records from numerous other intelligence agencies as to what you've posted.
I would seriously recommend you reconsider your choices anyway, try going for the AFP. if you can't get into the AFP, either go into the police force of your state or go into a good one (Queensland and NSW among others) then transfer into the AFP.
It's also worth noting that some of these agencies actually do a cicada 3301 type deal, as in they coordinate massive puzzles and allow the people who succeeded in.
Some of them also recruit from University students, as ASIS did before they got outed in the early-late '70s.
Also, the reserves mean literally nothing. Get into an actual role or they're just gonna ignore that entirely. (the reserves are only called out when the entirety of the country is at stake, and at that point we'd be fucked anyway)
>>28355968
Yeah because you can totally assess my intelligence over one post and deem me not suitable....moron.
>>28355874
>talking about applying for a potentially sensitive job
>on 4chan
>>28356074
When that one post is so mind-bogglingly retarded it hardly deserves an answer, yes you can.
>>28356074
>stating that you're going for an intel agency role over the internet on someone else's site
i would not put it past the FSB or CIA to put together a comprehensive report on you just because you posted this.
remember as a rule of thumb: actual spec ops in the military always say they're clerks or supply drones, people who want attention say they work in spec ops.
>>28356074
The fact that you posted about it makes you a fucking moron.
Say no you idiot. Even if they know they're not going to give a shit cause you smoked a joint this one time. They're dealing with way harder shit them some boy who tried weed once.
>>28356074
Are you really so thick as to not understand that
1) If no evidence exists of you smoking pot in the past, they cannot accuse you of it.
2) When you're applying to an intelligence agency, whose entire job is to monitor communications and gather intelligence about people, and admit on a PUBLIC WEBSITE to doing something that would disqualify you
you really have no place in the intelligence community? I know you want to be James Bond, but if you cannot figure out what you already did wrong, you don't stand a fucking chance.
>post ops face when recruiting officer hands only 23 year old male who applied for Intel agency position a screen shot of this thread
>>28355874
You have too pass a lie detector test to get this job.
Lie and they will catch you out.
>>28356118
this forever.
/thread
>>28356124
>OI ERWIN, THESE APPLICATIONS PRACTIALLY SORT THEMSELVES OUT
>>28356124
>>28356118
007? more like 002+1
>>28356093
As a general rule of thumb, I assume I'm always watched, recorded, etc
So.... I'm pretty much in role play mode 24/7. I think I forgot how I'm supposed to actually live life and now I'm trapped in an endless cycle of being retarded as an act of rebellion. Oh god why....
I like to fantasize about living a life where I actually have privacy. I'm not sure if I'm giving myself false hope..
I guess nobody has privacy anyways.
>>28356162
wow what a legit gay post
>>28355874
You fucking idiot
It say in the application that you can not tell anyone you are applying.
>post age, country and that he smoked weed on 4chan
You done fucked up boy
>op still hasn't deleted his thread
>>28356170
he most likely did it from a normal IP, which can probably just be looked up and connected to him IRL.
his application is gone now.
>>28356185
Oh, not only that.
They can use his hidden 4chan ID (every poster has one) to backtrack every post he's ever had.
>>28356185
Yep.
And all stupidity a side, why would you ask k/ advice on anything but how a gun works.
Op is clearly an idiot and I would bet his phone unlock code is 0007
>>28355997
>>28355874
You know a 4channer got in trouble when he leaked classified papers from his Australian Intelligence job, like what you are trying to get now.
All because he had a hard on for Snowden.
Its funny how you think your resume hasn't been shitcanned because of that incident, not to mention your drug use.
>>28356185
I have always wondered.
Suppose I become a famous author or politicians... Many years from now historians will be able to mine data and put together our otherwise separate virtual identities.
So, much as it happens with cold cases, new research methodologies will produce results that are hidden from those who live in our time and age.
For example they might discover that I, who promoted the wellbeing of humanity, persistently entertains in activities such as 4chan, loves to troll anons and even maintains positions he is opposed to for the sake of the argument. Moreover, they will discover in order to be accepted by the community I sinned by using racist slurs and 4chanese jargon.
They will be puzzled :is this human riht activist the same who typed "mudslime" in this topic? Of course he is: data are pretty clear about his ID. But was he serious or unserious? Was he joking or was he just being schizoid? Did he need it as a way to vent stress or was it part of his agenda? Or was it just a way to improve his English?
I hope they'll find this message as well.
>>28356386
>You know a 4channer got in trouble when he leaked classified papers from his Australian Intelligence job, like what you are trying to get now.
Bump for link to the story.
>>28356386
Oh, god I remember.
What a retard.
But you know what's the icing on the cake is?
Snowden was an actual /jp/ poster and a full blown weeb, /g/ found the proofs a while ago.
>>28356387
I wonder about this as well.
I'd think it would be hilarious if some of the important figures this side of history, are or were 4chan posters.
>>28356212
Oh crap.
I think that's only for IPs though. If you have a dynamic IP like what the phone services use then its different.
Sorry to go full /g/ but like how do they store all those posts, because aren't they supposed to get rid of some of it to free up storage or whatever?
>>28356386
Link?
What did he leak?
What was his moral conflict?
Was he just a stupid douche?
>>28356445
Proofs pls.
I needs it.
>>28356412
Got you senpai.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberra-aps-worker-jailed-for-leaking-top-secret-documents-20151104-gkr7tz.html
>>28356167
It's a legit gay existence!
This is bullshit!
Why do you think the entertainment industry is so huge? Why do you think people fantasize about going to space and other planets?
IT'S ESCAPISM.
Cabin fever, man.
>>28356473
He leaked some australian intel papers that everyone called 'fake and gay'.
And then he got arrested and went to jail.
>>28356450
I don't think so.
IPs addresses themselves are actually super shitty court evidence as they can be easily spoof'd, nor do they actually prove that it was the same person.
However, your browser has unique identifiers, uh, think of your browser like your boots. They leave a unique footprint that is particular to your computer.
>>28356489
Here's a screencap -- there's better proofs but I don't have them.
>>28356489
>broken disc found in bin
>posted it on 4chan
>they were able to trace it to his house
how the fuck are we hiring these people
the AFP literally busted his door down before anything happened
he fucking snapped a disc in half and threw it in the bin
>>28356536
>i like ponies
>i like my girlish figure
>i like japanese
THAT'S IT
AMERICA I DON'T EVEN CARE ANYMORE, WE NEED THIS FAGGOT BACK, INVADE RUSSIA AND GET HIM
A PONYFAG A WEEABOO AND A FAGGOT? WATERBOARD HIM
>>28355951
>I know, I know man. I mean if I say I haven't, wont they know Im lying as people in the past have at least smoked it once?
Fuck me
>>28356536
But what if you switch computers out of general useage?
I'm kind of curious, because I've seen moot in the past check posters ban histories or whatever and I think its part of the janitor process.
I just ask because I was under the impression that like for 10 years moot was basically running 4chans databases solo in his or his parent's house. And I wonder how much that would cost.
Uh anyways too off topic, OP I think you are fucked. Just apply to be a cop or something.
>>28356570
Imagine if the australian papers are nothing more than a bunch of other countries being called shitcunts and an attempt to prove that the stingray that killed steve irwin was in fact a Chinese spy.
>>28356731
Their internal communications are probably all shitposts.
>>28356643
Well they change.
But there's always traces.
>>28356509
Link?
The vast majority of classified intel is probably bullshit excuses for national secrets.
BTW, you douchebag spies reading this... you better set up some "National Treasure" kinda shit ASAP. When monuments and capital buildings are built, they take "ruin value" into consideration. So... whenever whatever agency you're at is disbanded, it could make a good tv documentary... or a totally boring one.
I hope they hear that.
I heard they found another painting behind the Mona Lisa, and suddenly it's amazing. The Last Supper hidden musical score in bread notes... MIND BLOWING.
I'm too dumb for this shit, but holy hell is it fascinating.
>>28356791
Mkay, sounds reasonable. Especially for laymen folks who aren't really hiding their IP too much.
You are all fucking idiots giving him shitty advise.
You have to be as open as possible with shit in the application. The point is is that theres no dirt on you that someone can use to pressure you with. If you had a drug addiction, theyd want to know, as if you were sensitive about it you could be blackmailed, if you're open then they know you're not.
>>28357543
You speak the truth.
But OP is clearly too dumb for crap anyway.
>>28357543
>if you're open then they know you're not.
And then they immediately throw your application away because who the fuck wants someone with a history of poor decision-making working in intelligence where lives may be at stake?
And you're calling us the fucking idiots?
>>28357675
No he's actually right.
They want you to be open and honest as possible. If you seriously think you can actually hide shit from the professionals you are literally retarded.
>>28356162
>As a general rule of thumb, I assume I'm always watched, recorded, etc
>So.... I'm pretty much in role play mode 24/7. I think I forgot how I'm supposed to actually live life and now I'm trapped in an endless cycle of being retarded as an act of rebellion.
you sound like a delusional schizophrenic who excuses his bad behavior through magical thinking.
>>28357774
>smoke weed in your basement once in junior high
>better tell the intelligence agency, can't hide nuffin from them!
Way to do their job for them. You think they're psychic? That they have cameras in every room in the country? Polygraphs use exactly the same principle; to convince the subject that there is no hiding the truth, even though it's bullshit.
>>28357675
Lying on an application to an intelligence agency will get you blacklisted. They WILL give OP a polygraph, and they are good at catching cheaters too. The people who administer them literally do it for a living.
OP, unfortunately for you, you have made the process much more difficult for yourself by lowering your competitiveness in an already over-saturated job field. Don't lie on the application, getting caught lying (you will) results in you being blacklisted from many intelligence jobs in the government.
I don't know about Australia, but in Canada only one intelligence agency (Communications Security Establishment) will automatically deny your application based on previous drug use. Trying marijuana once when you're a teen will not likely disqualify you, just be sure to make up for this shortcoming in a way that will let them see past it. Start learning foreign languages and brushing up on active terror groups and their history.
What the intelligence agencies are looking for essentially, is a person that can not be blackmailed in to leaking information out of fear of losing their job. That is why during the interview process they ask questions regarding drug use, alcohol use, types of porn that you like, if you have ever had a gay relationship. Basically imagine every shocking thing that a traditional job interviewer would never ask you.
Don't lie. If it disqualifies you, oh well. If your application is just denied, go a different route through military intelligence and keep learning foreign languages. Become proficient in at least one other language.
>>28357838
>The people who administer them literally do it for a living.
They literally do pseudoscience for a living, just like a chiropractor or homeopath. They have no credibility.
And when you lie about something fundamentally unverifiable, there is absolutely NOTHING they can do to check this unless you contradict yourself. How is this hard to understand?
>>28357832
Nice reductio ad absurdum.
But if you do try to lie to them they will catch you.
This is not your dumbass navy recruiter who is trying to make his Navy nuke quota, they examine every part of your life to find areas where you are vulnerable as >>28357543 said.
>>28357888
>But if you do try to lie to them they will catch you.
Nice unsubstatiated statement. How will they catch you?
>>28357898
How do you think?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/438973/Vetting_Clearance_Guidance.pdf
"The Vetting Officer will want to build up a complete picture of you, so expect the
interview to cover most aspects of your life. We have to consider your loyalty,
honesty and reliability, and whether you could be at risk of bribery or blackmail. We
will ask you about your wider family background (relationships and influences), past
experiences, health, sexual relationships and behaviour, drinking habits, experience
of drug taking, financial affairs, general political views, hobbies, foreign travel etc.
The interview will be searching, but it is not an interrogation and should not feel like
one. Some of the questions may feel intrusive, but need to be asked so that HMG
can be assured that it can trust you with very sensitive information that you could be
actively targeted for. The Vetting Officers are very experienced and will not be easily
shocked or surprised so be honest and straightforward. Full disclosure will allow us
to properly weigh risks, but withholding or misleading will invariably lead to a
clearance being refused."
They literally claw through every aspect of your life to find something.
>>28357950
So they ask you questions, and you answer them. Unless you contradict yourself, or are so socially inept that you spaghetti all over the place when you tell a lie, it is very easy to conceal something like a single smoked joint in your youth.
You're making these people out to be superhuman, which is just silly. They're well-trained, but not even Sherlock Holmes can solve a case when there is no evidence.
>>28357869
>They literally do pseudoscience for a living
This does not subtract from it's capabilities. Do you think OP is a Jason Bourne type character that can get away with cheating a polygraph conducted by multiple intelligence officers? The people doing this test are trained to look for known methods of cheating. These people catch trained foreign intelligence agents attempting to gain a job in the intelligence community. They have been known to place sensitive pressure plates in the lining of the testing chair to detect muscle contractions in a person's asshole indicating that they are attempting to spike their blood pressure and beat the test (see: Sting Method). Do you think some civvy 4channer with no prior practice will beat this?
This all goes without mention that during the interview process, they will call almost everyone close to you. It is not uncommon for elementary school teacher to be contacted in regards to a previous student applying for a position. The interviewers will call multiple people, then ask them for the contact information for others, and it will then branch out from there. Questions about drug use are commonplace. One way or another, they will find out if he has used drugs in the past.
>>28357969
I'm not talking about a single joint.
You've clearly never done an interview before as you know how hard it is to do something like that when you get put on the spot.
>no evidence
They also have full access to every record of your life because you give them it.
"What financial information will you need?
For SC and DV clearances we need to check that you are not carrying unduly large
debts or otherwise have a financial past (e.g. living beyond your means) that could
leave you open to external pressure like bribery. At DV we will also need to
understand how you manage your money and overall household finances to get a
complete picture of your lifestyle and habits (by asking for information such as bank
account and mortgage statements). Routine debts such as mortgages, loans or
credit card bills will not normally be cause for concern. Every case is judged on its
own merits"
>>28357969
Your desperation is showing. You smoked a joint in High School and now you are trying to convince yourself that you didn't bumblefuck yourself out of a career path.
>>28358014
*as you'd know
>>28357981
>This does not subtract from it's capabilities
Not from what it physically measures, but it certainly invalidates any conclusions about whether a statement is true or false.
>>28358014
>I'm not talking about a single joint
This is exactly what we're talking about, because it's the one and only subject of this thread. In the context of the OP, they will be unable to verify whether or not he actually smoked the one joint he mentioned, unless he actually tells them, at which point he will be disqualified for past drug use.
>>28358070
>they will be unable to verify whether or not he actually smoked the one joint he mentioned
Yes they will.
They will investigate who he has / does associates with.
If he has /does associate with known drugs users that will be flagged up.
>>28358070
>Not from what it physically measures, but it certainly invalidates any conclusions about whether a statement is true or false.
You think this matters? You think they care? Having a physiological response to a question asked is a cause for concern. Regardless of whether a lie was told, it evoked a response that is a cause for concern. This isn't a fucking court, they don't care that it is not 100% effective. CSIS has over 15,000 applicants each year for only a hundred positions (I assume Australia has a similar ratio), you think they are going to take the time to sort out that little "misunderstanding"?.
>>28357838
Could you speak more on this?
Is liking weird and "bad" porn enough to get you disqualified?
CSE specifically.
>>28358108
It may be flagged, but that in of itself doesn't indicate that he is or was a drug user too.
>>28358162
Physiological responses will happen regardless, because almost all people are nervous when being interrogated as part of a critical job interview, particularly when asked sensitive questions. The point is that the mere presence of a physiological response is a wholly unreliable means of determining truth or falsehood. A physical response only indicates that the person is stressed.
And if you're invoking the whole 15000 applicants issue, then do you really think they're going to waste their time with someone who admitted to using drugs in the past, when they can get a thousand other candidates who are just as good but didn't do drugs?
In the case of OP, the rational thing to do would be to lie. If he tells the truth, he will be disqualified. If he lies, at least there is a chance he makes it.
>>28358248
Not him but I'm sure generally, they don't care. However, like with the GCHQ one its all likely by a case by case basis.
It's more so they can get an overall picture of your life and mark out areas of risk.
>>28358285
Jesus you aren't getting this.
IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT YOU, IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU ASSOCIATE AND THE RISKS THEY BRING TO YOU.
>>28358312
And that is not something you can change, so whether they track them down or not is irrelevant, provided they do not have any information that could compromise your application.
>>28358248
By no means am I an expert nor have I personally been through the process, but it's sort of case by case from my understanding. If you are in to criminal forms of porn then yes I would assume. Other wise it's mostly just to see if you will lie to them. They don't want someone that will try to hide aspects of their life from them. That is the type of person that will be susceptible to being blackmailed in to leaking information.
At least I hope so, I'm into some pretty taboo shit.
Protip: they don't give a shit if ypu smoked weed or liked a bit of charlie while you were at uni. Chances are they did as well. The question is there because ot legally has to be and to weed out retards who say 'well er yes I have smoked the weed, s-sorry officer'
>>28358357
Anon.
Lying or not they'll find whatever you hide on your application.
They want honestly from you.
>>28358381
>protip
That is not a protip.
If you actually read the thread you'd realise me and the other anon keep saying that honesty is what they actually want from you.
>>28358386
They will not find out if you smoked weed once in junior high.
>>28358295
>>28357838
My only formal learning/training is technical. Is there a way to move past being just a tech?
What kind of degree or minor would be useful in the intelligence world? I honestly dont know, my best guesses being polisci and journalism.
>>28355874
Tell the truth. If they know or think you're lying, they assume you'll hide anything to get in, which is a red flag for them.
Here in America if you can prove that it isn't something you currently do or it happened before you were 18, they ignore it.
So tldr, you might be fucked, but you're waaaaay less fucked if you tell the truth.
>>28357950
>previous sexual relationships
>general political views
>blackmail material.
Welp guess like I'm disqualified.
>>28358386
I am other anon, and my source is my brother in law who works for a British intelligence agency. Now it might not the same as Australia, but I imagine it's pretty similar. They will drug test you, and generally as long as it wasn't recent they don't usually give a fuck.
>Great application + dude weed lmao
or
>Alright application
If you're not outstanding you're not going to get through anyway, and if you're outstanding smoking weed once 7 years ago when you were 16 isn't something they give a fuck about.
>>28358498
What do you mean by "outstanding".
Do intelligence agencies get their pick of the litter on a national scale?
>>28358411
That's not a fact, that is an opinion.
They'll know if you have druggy friends or not.
>>28358498
I agree with you.
Though what I'm disagreeing with >>28358411 is on that he seems to think that lying on your application is the way to getting in.
>>28358412
It depends on what you want to and what they expect from you.
>>28358591
No, but there's generally a lot of applications for very few positions, and I know for the vast majority of positions in mi5 and mi6 you need at least a high graded degree to even apply.
>>28358603
>They'll know if you have druggy friends or not.
And like I said, knowing whether you have druggy friends doesn't have bearing on whether YOU consumed those drugs.
I have friends who enjoy some coke every month when they go out partying. I have never tried cocaine.
>>28358412
Languages are extremely helpful, makes you look a shitload better.
>>28358664
I've said this once already.
It is not just about you, but what risks others pose to you.
Your friends drug habit is a potential exploit point for anyone that wants to put pressure on you.
>>28358673
What would be in high demand? I suppose mandarin and middle eastern languages.
>>28358662
I'm not British, my countries intelligence agencies are kind of hidden and dont have history and movies. I presume they have a lot less applicants.
Could I conclude that I could begin working for an intelligence agency straight out of university, assuming its a decent university in my country?
>>28358706
And I've said before that this is not something you can change. So the only thing you can do if you have friends who consume drugs (and more importantly, can be determined to do so via criminal record or confidential informant or something, since they're sure as shit not going to admit it to an intelligence agent on the phone) is to either never apply for fear of immediate disqualification, or to apply and see what happens.
This is exactly the same kind of choice available to someone like OP who has done drugs. Again, there is no harm in applying. If you get caught for lying, the outcome wouldn't have been any different had you told the truth.
>>28358285
> If he tells the truth, he will be disqualified.
You are missing the point, he may not be. That is not a certainty and he should not treat it as such. If he does, he will be blacklisted.
>>28358836
The lying part about it is the main issue, not the existence of it.
>If you get caught for lying, the outcome wouldn't have been any different had you told the truth.
You don't know that.
If you are wanting to do this kind of work and you get caught lying you may very well receive a black mark on your file which may be visible if you try and apply for something similar but lesser to that role.
It is very likely when do a clearance check on that lesser they'll see you've been rejected before for lying.
>>28358914
*when they do a
>>28358412
I know CSIS requires at least an undergraduate degree from a university, I imagine CSE would be the same. Become proficient in French and a foreign language. Poli Sci can be useful for intelligence, I'm currently doing Psych with a minor in Law, but I know a few people that are doing interesting minors in "International Security" which is something you could look in to.
>>28358912
>If he does, he will be blacklisted.
This is also not a certainty (that he will get caught, not that they blacklist liars), and shouldn't be treated as such.
>>28358914
You don't apply to be a field agent in the Kremlin or Director of Middle Eastern Ops right off the street. You can apply for an analyst position, at most. Everything above that requires relevant experience in the intelligence field, and if you truly have the skillset and distinguished work history for the position, they are not likely to dismiss you for lying about a joint when you applied a decade ago.
>>28358820
Mandarin would be a good one, but yeah you're on the right track,but pretty much anything to be honest.
>>28359031
>You don't apply to be a field agent in the Kremlin or Director of Middle Eastern Ops right off the street. You can apply for an analyst position, at most. Everything above that requires relevant experience in the intelligence field, and if you truly have the skillset and distinguished work history for the position
I am aware of this, so stop trying to use it to lord over what we're discussing.
This is all likely done on a case-by-case but I'm sure they'll happily dismiss anyone who is not 100% honest with them, regardless of their skillset (unless special circumstances).
I've agreed with you about nobody caring about the drugs *if* they are declared, but undeclared makes it a whole different issue as you've actively tried to hide something from them right from the get-go, something we can both agree they don't want you to get into a habit of.
As someone who may or may not have gone through the ASIO recruitment process, tell them everything, be completely honest. They actually won't give a shit.
>>28359162
Exactly.
This what I've been saying all this time.
They just want honesty!
>>28359398
SIGINT A CUTE!
HUMINT A SHIT!
>>28355874
Hi OP, as a former employee of an Australian police force and now full-time member of an Australian fire service, and applied for army reserve during both of those application processes, here is my experience.
When I went for cops, I said yes to drugs on psych test (300 questions, minnesota multiphasic personality inventory)- to cannabis anyway.
When I went to the initial army Q&A, I put my hand up in front of 100 other applicants and said "before we go any further, I've smoked cannabis. I'm 30 years old and I've been around the world twice, if I hadn't I'd expect that to raise more flags than if I had. Should I leave now?" you could have heard a pin drop. The OIC laughed and said no, we don't care - honesty is valued.
When the police one-on-one psych interview came up, they asked me about drug use. I said "honestly I think you want applicants who have taken a certain number of risks. And the way I see it, there are two type of people who say no to smoke cannabis: liars, and those who don't take any risks at all in their lives, and I think you don't want either in this role"
psych said "good answer" and then said how many times, I dunno, less than 10 whatever.
Firefighter psych was much harder. 700qs over 5hrs, including the 300q MMPI of cops (from Australian Institute of Forensic Psychology). Again, I said yes to cannabis. Nil issue.
I don't think it's what you think it is. The real issue is honesty/lying. even though ASIO/ASIS might require deception during work hours and to family/friends, they don't want you to lie to *them*
So, my experiences with Aus gov and telling them you got high. What's the big fucking deal? I'm gonna go into politics next and support legalisation of weed. If anyone asks, I'm gonna say I did it! To media, everyone. Who gives a fuck! It's all about how you can spin it. You can make a fool of a reporter who attempts an inquisition over a joint.
>>28359472
You sound pretty based and have some solid balls to stand up and do that at the army Q&A.
>>28355874
>>28359472
me again, this is very relevant - I met various cops who had been seconded to AFP/crime commission etc and required various levels of security clearance. One of them asks if you watch porn, and what kind of porn you like. Makes that joint you smoked look pretty petty, eh? So have a good answer ready for that one...
>>28359510
haha, more about not wanting to waste hours in a process that I could spend elsewhere if they're gonna say no anyway. I don't know how old you are, but you care less and less - 30 is a good cutoff for no longer giving a fuck. 20 or 25 year old me would never have said it. at 60 I expect to be full Gran Torino, like my old man is getting now hahahaha
>>28359559
>>28359472
You do start to give less of a fuck, but it's more life experience giving you a better perspective on what does and does not matter.
Smoked a bit of marijuana? There's literally /nothing/ wrong with following your curiosity, especially with such a benign substance.
>>28359002
French AND a foreign language?
That aint good news.
>>28359846
Well, French wouldn't be a foreign language for them, and it'd be needed in government, you'd need to be able to effectively communicate with whoever.
>>28359846
I know. I'm in a similar boat. I took Russian language in 1st year university but my French suffered. CSIS and I assume the CSE require look at being bi-lingual as a very large positive if not a requirement. Without speaking Canada's two official languages there is an entire region of Canada that you will not be deployable in. Foreign languages after that are all gravy and add to your resume.
>>28359940
I mean, considering less than 20% of the population is bilingual, it would probably not be a hard requirement.
I actually dont know how our government works in this respect, eh.
>>28360134
Fun fact: Google Translate is actually reasonably good with French <-> English because of Canada. Basically everything the federal-level of government does has to be available in both English and French, and Google uses the Canadian Hansard for that reason.
>>28360160
Thats actually super neato.
>>28360134
Yes, but it is a government job primarily based in Ottawa (much higher rates of bilingualism). Plus that job attracts those that meet the requirement or at least makes those that wish to get the job become bilingual.
>>28360160
>>28359940
>>28359902
>>28360134
Do y'all have any tips for working in intelligence? You are wise sages with work experience, and I don't know where else I would be able to talk to people in the field.
I heard bad things about working in CSIS from friends, are they the kind of place a fresh grad would want to work in?
>>28360500
I doubt they would take a fresh grad unless your grades were stellar and you had extensive language assets. I've never worked for them so I can't comment on their working conditions. I currently work for a security company in my city though and a few people I work with have had dealings with CSIS employees in the past. According to one, the "CSIS agents thought they were James Bond and Men in Black rolled in to one". Apparently they were trying to boss people around as if they somehow had jurisdiction over a private security guard operating a port.
>>28360500
There are graduate programmes here but to be honest, I'd recommend working at a few different places for a few years after graduating, try to get some experience in both public and private sectors as well as in different industries before starting any career you may have in mind.
>>28360500
>wants to help the government spy on its citizens and those of sovereign nations
You're part of the problem, kill yourself.
>>28360747
I have a bunch of career ideas in mind, I'm not committed to working in government/intel or anything, but its up there on the list of possibilities to explore.
>>28360576
Thanks for the tip mate.
>>28360840
Sorry are you saying that spying on other nations is crossing some sort of line?
Also, I'm just another idealist kid who hopes to change things for the better.
Nothing wrong with that.
>>28356118
Wouldnt the polygraph prove he did though?
>>28360954
Polygraphs are weak pseudoscience.
Its still useful, just not as a lie detector against someone who is moderately determined to fool it.
>>28361007
have you taken one before and passed with a lie here and there or just speaking from knowledge you've heard?
>>28361088
Based on readings. I may have never used crystal balls to see the future before, but I know they dont work.
>>28360904
>Sorry are you saying that spying on other nations is crossing some sort of line?
Considering how conducting illegal operations in a foreign country is typically "crossing some sort of line", yes. Why do you think we arrest spies if we find them in our country, just like every other country does?
>idealist kid who hopes to change things for the better.
How?
>>28360954
lol
>>28361088
I think it's safe to defer to the fact that the court systems of many countries, including the US, reject polygraph results as credible evidence. There have been no peer-reviewed studies establishing the validity of polygraph results in demonstrating truth or falsehood.
>>28355874
I say tell them; they'll (literally) ask you about your porn preferences and other things if you're going for a top secret clearance (required for many positions). If you've done it once years ago, they're not going to care; just so long as you aren't a habitual weed smoker.
>>28361201
>I think it's safe to defer to the fact that the court systems of many countries, including the US, reject polygraph results as credible evidence.
This does not apply when used for the purpose of hiring. They hold the right to draw their own conclusions from a polygraph, a court does not. There is no requirement to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that a court of law has.
>>28361292
I am well aware of that. It doesn't stop it from being pseudoscientific nonsense that doesn't produce consistent results. Just because they believe it works, doesn't mean it actually works.
Look at some other devices that actual governments, not just private companies, believe to work:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651
>>28361201
Look mate I'm not about to be shooting up foreigners in trendy cafes of foreign capitals.
Espionage has been done for millennia. Its not morally wrong, in any case, every nation must protect itself from others' espionage, there can't be anything wrong with that.
>>28361346
You think we don't all know that? Everyone in here is aware of the drawbacks of polygraph examinations. What we are talking about seems to elude you. It makes no difference whether it is pseudoscience or not, a physiological response is evoked, therefore they interpret it as a lie. If you think that you are going to walk up in to a CSIS polygraph test and pass with no prior training/practice on beating them, you are delusional. Polygraphs measure physiological responses based upon a baseline response. You will have multiple people trained at catching those trying to cheat the test watching the interviewer like a hawk. If you think a regular civvy can beat the test under these conditions you need to come back down to earth and stop watching so many spy movies.
>>28361472
What do you plan to do to change the world?
>>28361534
I don't plan to change the world.
That seem unreasonable, no?
>>28361576
You said you wanted to change things for the better, didn't you?
>>28361700
Right, I took issue with "the world". It seems ridiculous to think I would have a global, or even national impact. I'm not going to start talking about how or why.
>>28355874
Tell them the truth, how long ago it was, and strongly indicate you have no desire to do it again. If you lie, and they find out, you're toast.
>>28356387
its language, who gives a flying fuck? I can say I fucked your whore of a mother, are you pissed that I said that, or would you be pissed if I actually did such a depraved act with the monstrosity that is your mother?
>>28358481
>2016
>people are still black mailable
>on the dragon dildo collection gun board
did you murder someone?
>>28358498
>tfw they probably have active members with DUIs but care about pot, cause, you know a pot head will sell national secrets for dope money
>>28364244
Oh I was referring to shitposting like a child and being a virgin.
>>28364369
...how is this diaqualifying
do those retards only hire people who stare at a wall for 16 hours a fucking day
some shithead from oxford with a half ass service history is probably 10x more subversive and does rails all day compared to someone here
I got put down as not for recommendation by the army reserve for past drug use, despite it only being weed and ecstasy a few times and made a lot of positive changes since that. I feel like I'm a completely different person to who I was when I was a bong smoking dolebludger and I don't feel as if I should hide that part of my past. It's important for me to own it.
That psychologist was the biggest cunt I've ever dealt with. He accused me of being a liar and said that I was not being honest about how bad my 'drug problem' was.
Never been more insulted in my life than by that cunt.
That being said, I still believe in being honest and transparent about these things and I would do it again and be honest.
I had no problems with any of the other staff at DFR, just that one psych.
>>28364789
>I had no problems with any of the other staff at DFR, just that one psych.
The psychologist might not've even been part of the defence forces, I know the one I had was officially employed under some other department (not Defence).
What different jobs are there in intel?
What can I get into if I'm proficient in several languages and have some military experience?
>>28355874
Is smoking weed illegal in australia? Is smoking weed against the guidelines of the agency? Im guessing yes, in which case, lie. Otherwise you will fail security clearance and you will not be hired.
>>28359472
Doesnt really work like that. When assigning security clearances (this is in europe, but it can't be much different in australia, considering cooperation) there are several pass/fail instances. Can be everything from poor economy, "wrong" friends, outspoken political/activist/extreme views, convicted for crimes, etc.
While there is some room for the issuer to overlook certain things when making an overall evaluation, many things are black and white and will result in not getting the job or being fired. Period.
And its not the recruiter that gives you your clearance either. The recruiter might not give a fuck, but that doesnt matter.
>>28366312
bump
>>28358924
>>28366312
In Australian Intel it's basically surveillance, pencil pusher or case officer.
We don't really have paramilitary. We use the SAS for that.
Isn't cannabis federally legal now for medicinal users?
