EOtech Refund Thread
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Any body get their refund yet?
Or at least submit their ticket/send it in yet?
I have a 552, I got used. If they give me MSRP I will actually make money.
What reason do you put in the box for the reason for return?
I figure this a good situation to take advantage of and get an upgrade.
Planning on replacing my EOtech with this:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/community/whats_new_item.php?whats_newID=news_135
Still need to figure out if I can get the above model that also has the red dot on the top for up close.
Lol enjoy waiting 5 months for a gift card
>>28325920
it's supposed to be a check for MSRP, plus $15 for shipping
not some gift card
Are you going to be using the sight in extreme temperatures? Has your sight failed you? Or are you just trying to make a buck on the bandwagon?
>>28325920
>gift card
It'll be a check
>>28326059
This. It's best to keep it until it fails on you
>>28325929
>>28326107
Source?
I don't think they have even started sending them out yet, I'm pretty sure you will be waiting months.
>>28326059
>Are you going to be using the sight in extreme temperatures?
I live in MN, so yes
>Has your sight failed you?
Not failed, but looks fuzzy and not as good as it used to i think
>Or are you just trying to make a buck on the bandwagon?
this also
>>28326108
i'd rather do something about it now
especially if it will take a while to get a refund
>returning your eotech because it fails at temperatures you'll never operate in or have to deal with
i seriously hope you guys don't do this
>>28326290
The sight showed signs of drifting at 32F, so thats not extreme. Mine showed delivered at the refunds place on the 11th of this month and I still haven't heard shit from them. I am between a MRO + Ammo, AccuPower 1-4 BDC or a TA31F with my refund. obviously I'm gonna have to fork some sheckles.
>>28326324
>showed signs of drifting at 32c
No it didn't
>>28326108
> this
Mine has started to de-laminate. As soon as I get another Aimpoint to sit on my rifle, I'll send my 552 in. I'd rather they to fix it instead of issue a refund.
>>28326307
>live in MN
>gets down to -30f or colder in the winter
>like to shoot and operate in the winter regardless of weather
Now what.
>>28326307
Living in MN, I have to deal with both ends of extreme temps, easily over 120 in a vehicle
also, i think the drift starts before -40, that's just when it starts getting extreme
>>28326359
Look at the damn FBI report.
>>28326381
> citation needed
>>28326381
>FBI report cites anything near a 32F POI change
lmao
>>28326378
>>28326370
Have you fags even been outside this winter? I don't think it has even hit 0° this winter.
>>28326399
>this winter
>THIS WINTER
good thing this is a totally normal winter then.
INB4 Aimpoint has to start writing everyone checks and delivering them via hooker with complimentary blowjobs because it was found that POI might shift 0.00000000238MOA when used on the surface of the sun.
When the fuck do I get to see cheap, discount EOtech sights hitting the market?
>>28326439
when people realize EOTech is not/no longer offering refunds
>>28326395
>>28326384
The fanboy is strong with you too! I used to be a EOshit shill for ever and there is a lot of things I like about the sight, but even the CEO admitted it had problems since 2006 and deliberately hid it from consumers and .gov just to make a profit. Read the HOLE thing
>http://soldiersystems.net/2015/11/25/the-details-united-states-of-america-v-l-3-communications-eotech-inc-l-3-communications-corporation-and-paul-mangano/
>>28326378
For fighting off terrorists inside a car with the windows rolled up and the AC turned off on a hot summer day...
Yep, looks like that EOtech is defective, time to hand it in for a refund.
>>28326408
I'm just giving you shit your your 1337 innasota operator needs. Winter isn't really going to hit until next month anyways.
>>28326399
>this Winter
cuz this Winter is totally standard, isn't it bro?
How to maximize profit under the Corporate model:
>Lie to customers for a decade about the inherent defects of your products.
>Sell millions of optics based on these fraudulent misrepresentations.
>US Army and FBI discover irrefutable evidence of these problems through independent testing.
>Pay 25.6 million fine to Government to avoid criminal prosecution
>Feign good faith by offering full "no questions asked" refunds to all of those who purchased optics.
>Collect millions of returned scopes
>Promise you'll issue refunds in a few weeks
>Declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy
>Returned scopes sold at auction to Chinese and Russian military.
> Proceeds of auction used to pay claims of preferred stockholders and secured creditors
>Customers unable to collect refunds from a financially insolvent corporation.
>Customers unable to sue defunct Corporation.
>Corporate law protects Board of Directors and Officers from personal liability
>>28326378
>i think the drift starts before -40
>before -40
>-40
I don't think you grasp how fucking cold that is anon, that is antarctic temperatures right there where any exposed skin will begin to blister.
>>28326460
well, why not when I got it used and will actually profit
and then buy the acog i've always wanted?
waiting for half price eotech refurbs to come out from everyone being greedy and sending theirs in...
>By early 2007, Defendants knew of a separate performance failure in cold temperature. Beginning around 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the sights’ aiming dot became significantly distorted, affecting the accuracy of the sight and worsening as the temperature approached -40 degrees.
>>28326476
He's exaggerating. Minnesota usually gets like -20° or so with -20° windchill.
You will feel -40° but the scope doesn't have skin or blood, so it will be -20°
>>28326494
This so much. They aren't bad sights, and if I could snag a couple for around ~$200 or so I would pounce.
>>28326505
Something I learned from traveling, everybody thinks their state has the worst weather.
>>28326471
Good thing L3 (the parent company) is earning billions every year and isn't going anywhere.
>>28326514
That gif is even better than the Slav cat stuck in a spring
>>28326471
EOtech and L3 are not gonna go under dude
>>28326476
I live in MN
I'm quite aware of how cold -40 is
>>28326476
> that is antarctic temperatures right there where any exposed skin will begin to blister
>antarctic temperatures
It's not, a good chunk of the prairies in Canada reaches that almost every winter. I've worked outside in that, I've shot my weapons qualification in that. It's cold, but it's nowhere near arctic or antarctic temperatures.
>>28326471
this is the most likely scenario. not bullshit.
might as well keep your EOTech. it's still a serviceable optic.
I guess the shills got quiet
>>28326471
you forgot about
>fuck the foreign market, no refunds for you
>>28326572
That dude is fly as fuck
>>28326476
Tfw
>live in northern Finland, beyond the arctic circle
>use Aimpoints with no issues
>friend is a huge Eotech shill
>always has problems with his sight
>it's gotten dimmer, POI shift and the controls have gotten really insensitive
>meanwhile my Aimpoint is going strong even in -40
Feels good, man.
I feel like this whole aimpoint vs eotech debate is just shills vs shills, and this just happens to be the battleground because chinkmoot likes them aimpoint/eotech sheckels
>>28326870
there is really no debate. after all the stuff that has come out about EOTech. Aimpoint is clearly better.
and new moot is not getting any money from these companies. that is just ludicrous.
so wtf should i put in the description for returning my eotech? my reticle became delaminated and had a circle/oval shape dead spot around the reticle as you moved the optic around. id definitely like to get this shit refunded
>>28326959
you should put;
my reticle became delaminated and had a circle/oval shape dead spot around the reticle as you moved the optic around
or better yet just put, "defective", and call it a day.
>>28326959
Just put "Wandering Zero". They do not require receipt or anything else.
>>28326977
and they'll refund me? that easy...? i'm not even 100% sure what model i have it uses a 123A battery and does not have the night vision button....
>>28326984
>>28326981
i dont even remember what i paid i wanan say it was a little over 500 back in like 2013....
Not sending mine in until we know EXACTLY what the "refund" is.
I like mine, and don't want to turn it in for some bullshit gimmick return that hasn't been proven to me yet.
I want to see a major gun community contributor prove the claims of Zero shift.
>>28326997
look up the current MSRP and just list that as your purchase price.
>>28327007
>gun community contributor prove the claims
What, is the fucking manufacturer telling you the sight is defective not good enough? I swear to the kube you eocucks are fucking delusional.
>>28327007
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/daniel-zimmerman/381271/
>>28326870
Yeah lets just discredit all the test and evidence
>>28327033
>>28327048
I still haven't seen the test.
I want someone to zero an EOTech at 70°, put it in the freezer for a few hours, and show what the POI shift is.
>>28327007
>What is the FBI
>What is SOCOM
>>28327067
Again, you're a fucking idiot desperately grasping at straws hoping that joe blow will somehow post a single sample invalidating all of the testing done by SOCOM and L3 themselves who are telling you the Eotech is shit. Anyways, here you go faggot:
https://youtu.be/NmIXzIK5bwE
>>28327067
Please let me spoon feed you. This the actual case filling.
>http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/United-States-v.-L-3-Communications-Eotech-Inc.-et-al.pdf
>>28326307
I am in the Army and work as PSYOP. I work in combat with the Infantry. Its hard to earn their respect as it is, if I show up on my next deployment with an Eotech it will make it that much harder to earn their respect. Not to mention I may zero in 30° weather (again) and end up in 110° heat with not being abke to re-zero.
Granted I cam just ise my issued 68, bit wtf was the point in me buying this "superior" holo sight if it doesnt live up to what its supposed to be? Eotech needs to have its shit pushed in for this total breach of ethics to its customers.
Chalk up another tripfag that has no fucking idea what he talks about.
>>28327071
I don't know if you get it. Even if there was no problem, EOTech and L3 are not in a position to say "lol fuck you guys" and not pay up.
No one in the US gov can be a neutral source on this issue, I want to see a third party do scientific test on the accused problems before I make up my mind.
ITT people using one side of an argument against a party that cannot defend themselves in court.
And no, linking reporters writing about the plaintiffs claims isn't linking test either, its just a reporting peice.
Stop linking the plaintiffs report on this. It would be like walking into a trial, only listening to the prosecutor and then immediately deciding that the defendant is guilty.
>>28326161
This was the Email response I got for my Old 551 that stopped working years ago and was collecting dust. Told them I paid $350 but would take $250. They authorized the full $350.
>>28327149
You are delusional,
>The CEO says is shit
>Employees say is shit
>FBI says is shit
>SOCOM says is shit
>>28327071 He proves is shit
>No questions asked refund
Keep at it bud, denial isn't just a river in Africa
>>28325832
Sent mine in. Only reason I gave was that I'd like a refund on the unit, was authorized for full retail.
They send an email that says "print this out and include it." I don't expect a check next week, I can wait.
>>28326296
I was being sarcastic.
>>28327149
Dan the trial is over. Eotech was in the wrong, they lied and hid the fuck up. Google it. Eotech even updated their webpage to say the site will shift POA and POI. There are even links to SOCOM pages saying the site is not to be used.
>>28326476
>I don't think you grasp how fucking cold that is anon, that is antarctic temperatures right there where any exposed skin will begin to blister.
you know how i can tell you dont live in the upper midwest?
>>28327322
Watched the vid anon linked. I concede defeat as a shill.
>>28327149
look at this shitposting faggot trip go die in a fire shill.
>>28327370
Not wanting to believe it doesnt make you a shill. It took me a while to come to terms with it too. I though my Eotech w/magnifier was sooo awesome! But then I noticed it killed batteries and I wasnt using it much...and the POI shofter so I had to zero it...again...and I STILL loved it...but then I read about SOCOM banningit and I did my reading and I feel betrayed.
Btw they emailed me and asked how much I wanted about a week ago and have not said anything since....
>>28327381
Fuck off. Sometimes names are needed. It help prevents same fagging.
>>28327370
Dude I know that feel, for years I loved them, I spent a year saving for the right time to buy a FDE EXPS3-2. I felt betrayed too. The evidence was overwhelming. So I had to let it go...
once the optic returns to a normal temperature does it return to zero or do you have to re-zero?
>>28326107
Someone's been scammed.
>>28325832
NA MAN, nutinfancy says they are A-okay. You should watch what you read on the internet.
>>28326059
They LITERALLY defrauded you, they knew there were defects and they didn't tell anyone nor did they change the specs. Fuck you fanboy, EO fanboys will go so far as to defend literal felonies.
>>28326529
I've worked with L3 and I can say out of a dozen or so defense contractors they were by and far the most competent and capable. Everyone I know who worked for them also is pretty loyal. But too bad like all defense contractors they're unimpeachably evil.
>>28327149
EOKEK SETTLED
Do you know what that means you abysmal mongoloid?
>>28327450
It doesn't prevent it, it just gives the namefag a scapegoat for when THEY samefag.
>>28328975
It will change again from where it was durring the extreme temperature condition, but there is no guarantee it will swing back perfectly to your zero point prior to the temp fluctuation.
It's a total crap-shoot where it will end up.
Whats a good replacement for an eotech besides an aimpoint or trijicon?
>>28329689
There's always the Meprolight "Jew-View" sight.
But seriously, Either an Aimpoint or a Trijicon.
>>28329722
>c
There is another people are starting to tout in firearm circles as an eotech replacement that is actually quality, just lesser known. i forgot the name though. Simmons? damnit
>>28329743
https://www.rainierarms.com/di-optical-eg1
>>28326307
I live in Montana so yes it will fail.
>>28327033
>What, is the fucking manufacturer telling you the sight is defective not good enough?
They said it was defective because of their stated parameters. For example, if you made a product and said it would work in 200 F and it stops at 180 F, then it's defective. If you rate it for 160 F, its not.
They lied to the government on specs for a decade and they only just found out now. Nobody in the firearms community, despite being autistic aspies who torture fuck their shit to get 10,000 views on YouTube, was able to repro the stated issue way back in the day.
27 million on a multibillion dollat company - billion with a B - is nothing. I guarantee you they made more profit than that in their last contract involving the sights.
These sights have served civilian shooters, LEO and military for over a decade now. The only people blowing this out of proportion are Aimpoint shills and people who just want a free refund to buy brand new, cool shit.
Holy fuck we've had this thread 3 times this week, literally wait until at least one person gets a refund check until you send yours in.
>>28326059
Leaving it in the trunk of a hot car is enough.
>>28329894
looks gay as fuck
>>28327450
Totally does.
>>28330996
Gayer than two marines with aids
>>28330721
>no one has left their eotech in a car over the last 10-15 years
Are you kidding me?
>>28330479
>people who just want a free refund to buy brand new, cool shit.
Guilty, refund money is going towards a new gun.
>>28331628
Did you send yours in yet?
You'll have to let us know when you get your refund.
I'm worried because no one has said that they've actually gotten anything yet. Let alone that it's a check like it should be.
>>28330479
You are one fucking delusional fanboy. Is your brain literally made of shit?
The worst part is, you'll likely have no idea what's even wrong with what weapons grade bullshit you just said. I'll give you a hint, every word is objectively, provably, dead fucking wrong.
Refund approved, sent the optic in about a week ago.
No word back yet.
>>28330479
>Nobody in the firearms community, despite being autistic aspies who torture fuck their shit to get 10,000 views on YouTube, was able to repro the stated issue way back in the day.
Two of my friends' eokeks died this year alone. One day they would just refuse to turn on.
Eokek has always sucked, but until now every tine you mentioned it, the fanboys always managed to yell MUH SOF loudly enough that nobody listened.
>>28332095
The only citation that there is an issue with these optics - one of the most popular optics utilized by civilian shooters, LEO and MIL - is the lawsuit. Which they settled for 27 million dollars.
I have seen a group of people on ARFCOM spend 20,000 dollars just to fact check a rumor. I have seen Aimpoint and Eoshills try and shit on every optic in history and try to find excuses at every corner to justfiy their purchase.
Not a single person has claimed to have experienced thermal drift. Not one person on the internet claims to have experienced it. Not one. Not even here, where posting is anonymous, have I seen a single claim of thermal drift being experienced. I have not seen a single person be able to even repro the issue, despite knowing what causes it.
In fact I see the opposite, with guys who are LEO in Texas saying they have had no issues with EOtechs issued on their duty weapons. I see some shooters saying they've had it for longer than they've had a child and have not experienced the issue.
This issue is merely NES owners lording their purchase over the Genesis owners, to make themselves feel better. People are refunding because, well, why not refund an 8 year old sight for full MSRP? You'd be stupid not to.
All this has been is the "lel defective" meme and people exploiting refunds.
I don't even own a fucking eotech and I can see this.
Before you go and say 27 million is a lot of money, I've seen companies charged multiples of that in ITAR fines because they accidentally left an FTP open or misfiled paperwork. The amount is fucking peanuts.
Get your facts straight idiot
>>28326476
>thinks -40 is cold
canacuck here, it gets -60c with windchill here bud. -40 is uncommon, sure, but very realistic
>>28332430
>Not a single person has claimed to have experienced thermal drift. Not one person on the internet claims to have experienced it
guess "eotech wandering zero heat" wasn't a very good google search for me to use...
Are all sights affected? All the tests i've seen so far only show the newer stuff. What about the 512 and 552? Has anyone determined what actually causes the shift? seems to me like thermal expansion of something, which is why i don't understand why they are having such fuckhuge problems with getting this resolved.
Never opened one, but are the screws for zeroing made of metal and directly connected to the mirror or glasspane throwing the reticle back at the shooters eye? Seems like the logical point to start at for me.
inb4 shill: I just like shooting with it. Also, do not want aimpoint on my gun, would look really, really fucking weird.
>>28332462
>look at threads from that Google search
>one guy had zero cause it wasn't screwed on right
>Arfcom thread where guys are talking about the lawsuit
>various other threads dealing with the screw mount not being on tight enough
None of these even suggest thermal drift is experienced.
Where is a thread where people have reported the issue? This lawsuit is months old now. The information is out there. Where are the traditional threads where people have used the scientific method to repro the issue
Or maybe it's an edge case scenario that's harder to reproduce than simply taking your gun outside
>tfw googled "aimpoint lose zero" and get equally damning threads as the eotech ones
I don't even know why I'm bothering with looking up shit for you because I'm not even in the market for Aimpoint or Eotech.
http://ar15armory.com/forums/topic/17951-aimpoint-and-eotech-question/
>I find EOTechs to have a wandering zero with heat.
http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-17993.html
>Most of my problems were battery life and wandering zeros. when I put it on the M4 it went all over the place. I chased groups all over the place. All the Eo's went to L3 for an electronics upgrade to the Rev F package. Batteries lasted a little longer, but I found I still had the wandering zero.
http://www.socnet.com/archive/index.php/t-78991.html
>there are those who have had reliability issues, complain of a wandering zero and some models such as the 553 needing a battery upgrade kit (which is the case with mine and several others purchased by my unit).
hell I put in aimpoint wandering zero just to compare and you still can't escape people mentioning eotech's wandering zeroes.
>>28332430
Not to shit on your parade but there is a video link in this thread of a guy shooting an AR with an eotech, detaching with a QD mount and putting it in dry ice, replacing the optic and at 50 yards gets a group almost 6 inches away from the original.
>>28332606
>dry ice
You understand dry ice is basically -80c or colder, right? Even with EOtechs fradulant temperature ratings that is still past the failure point.
>I exposed the optic to temperatures well outside the stated operating parameters
>oh no it failed!
>who could have foresaw this!
>>28332617
yfw the guy uses a digital thermometer and it is -40 on the coldest part and -25 near the batteries
yfw the eotech manuals state (or used to state) -40 as the lower end of the temperature range
>>28332626
Coldest point in his video is lower than -47, which is past EOtechs failure point, so all he did was prove if you go past EOtechs operating parameters the optic will fail.
Those Fluke digital thermometers are only rated to read temperatures from -30C to 350C, so anything below that you can't trust it to give an accurate reading, so we can't be 100% sure the optic was not colder than the read out.
Where is the Aimpoint dry ice test as well? Should that also not be the next logical step?
How old are you? Jesus Christ is this your first time troubleshooting problems?
>>28332626
Man this kid is terrible. He didn't even do a group when the optic returned to room temperature either...
>>28332430
This isn't true. There are at least 2 guys on arfcom claiming zero shifts.
You should stop posting. You look retarded enough as it is. Maybe lurk moar, like 3 or 4 more years
>>28332690
Where?
I'd love to see it since I've read over 100 pages of eodrama there and its juicy, but I've never seen it
>>28332430
They settled on a conservative claim.
The company was terrified of going to a full blown court trial and end up with finding + compensation + court costs awarded against them. Already their stocks have been wobbly and the shareholders will want questions answered.
Eotech shilled the SOG, FBI HRT and other special forces using their products for years as a marketing hook. Time to even the score.
Soooo to get back on topic here....
Has anyone actually got a refund?
Has anyone sent their optic back?
Is there a recall or does this only deal with the Military?
>>28326476
Alaskafag here. Shit doesn't blister at -40 don't be a pussy. My xps shits the bed around -10
>>28326471
somebody's read Art of the Deal
>>28325832
>Or at least submit their ticket/send it in yet?
I got approval
>What reason do you put in the box for the reason for return?
None. I just asked for one and they gave it to me.
Fun fact, it appears they will pay current retail prices for old sights, pic related. I paid $560 for my 552.XR308 and they approved $624, even after I told them what I paid.
God I love that you shills are so butthurt over this. You have no include how much temperature influences pMax and thus POI (download QuickLOAD and see for yourself), and how the majority of this was a shit fest over essentially nothing as you have to re-zero in temperature changes no matter what due to the effect of temperature on gunpowder. Thank you shills for allowing me to get rid of this horrible XR reticle and get a XPS2.1 instead.
>>28327035
>ever linking to TTAG
go away shill, no one cares about those kikes
>>28326307
You do realize they admitted that it can shift at even modest temperature changes, right?
>>28326399
>hurr durr AGW!!!
"winter" is less than a week old, btw
>>28333849
>you have to re-zero in temperature changes no matter what
The chamber warms up enough in a couple of shots as to negate that change. The non-retarded thing to do would be to keep the POI shift in mind for the first shot instead of re-zeroing your optic.
>>28333849
>QuickLOAD
And to show you shills what happens to a .308 Win cartridge when you go from -40F to 122F. Here we are at -40F. 44,443 PSI and 2450 FPS.
>>28333907
>The chamber warms up enough in a couple of shots as to negate that change.
I was clearly talking about gun powder retard.
>>28326370
Awww, is -30 cold
>>28333907
>>28333921
And here we are at 122F. 57,686 PSI and 2687 FPS. A difference of 13,243 PSI and 237 FPS. So here you go shills, if you're experiencing temperature shifts you have to re-zero no matter what, because all gun powder is temperature sensitive.
>>28333921
>I was clearly talking about gun powder retard.
Oh, sorry, I forgot the brass case magically insulates the powder from being warmed up by the chamber, you fucking moron.
>>28333939
>I am going empty a mag on full auto to warm up the chamber, chamber another round, let it heat up till it hits the exact temperature I zeroed at, and then shoot at my target.
>I am going to repeat this for every shot I'm going to take
stay butthurt you didnt know about internal ballistics
>>28326819
>be Norwegian conscript
>be north of the arctic circle
>everyone uses aimpoint m4's, robust and works
>one guy decided to bring his eotech because he's a kit whore
>eotech stops working 3 weeks after he brougth it
Aimpoint is ok, prefer the micro. Good battery time, even managed to crack my front tooth on it. I wanna try out trijicon with rmr combo tho.
>>28333947
>I downloaded Quickload, now bow down before my internal ballistics knowledge!
So I guess you're going to shoot every round the moment the bolt goes into battery to prevent POI shift vs. your re-zeroed values, huh?
Meanwhile no one who isn't an autistic armchair general or doesn't shoot a bolt rifle in extreme sub zero temps doesn't actually rezero their optics.
>selling a bad product to COD fanboys and mall ninjas
yall reap what you sow. but a real optic next time
>>28333982
>downloaded
pic related, now stay jelly poorfag that i'm the only one ITT who's been able to actually contirbute evidence rather than just shitpost. but hey, I bet you'll continue to put words in my mouth so you can try to save the tattered remains of your fragile ego.
>>28332430
Yes in the United States of America corporations are so persecuted and defense contractors treated so badly by government that little old EOtech and L3 just had to settle. They really did want to fight it, they had all these facts you speak of on their side but big old meannie government just bullied them into cutting a cheque.
>>28332510
Yeah the court documents from the aimpoint case are pretty damning also. Oh shit wait, that was only eokek who settled a federal court case. And here I thought even as much as a single letter that appeared on arfcom mattered for once.
>Be 18
>Buy first AR because fuck year first gun time
>Mom say's she'll buy me any optic I want for it for my birthday, since it's my 18th.
>Look at tons and finally decide on EOTech XPS because loved the reticle and wide FOV over the Aimpoint
>Shoot the hell out of it, but always have trouble hitting during winter, figured it was because I was a little bitch and was cold.
>Keep EOtech long after rifle is sold.
>It's sat on top of every subsequent AR I've owned.
>It got me laid
>It won me huge points with my current GF's dad
>It's been a total bro for the last 6 years
>I can't trust it with my life and I can't afford to dump $700 on an Aimpoint right now.
>But I don't want to send it back, because me and that sight have some serious fucking history.
I don't know what to /k/omrades. I don't want to sell it back, this thing's been with me longer than any other piece of equipment I've owned. I'm tossing around just getting a set of irons and socking what little money I can budget away until I can pick up something else.
>>28333999
Not like it was a big loss or anything, got many years out of my eotech and now I get a full refund.
I was just about to ask about EOTech sights and how reliable they are. What's the rundown on the issue, they're slightly defective somehow?
It was between going all out on one of these, or just getting a Sightmark or Barska red dot since I only shoot it for fun. This might rule out the EOTech though, if they're defective.
I just want a neato optic to put on my Shrubwhacker.
>>28334225
>I'm too lazy to google
>I'm too lazy to read a thread
>/k/ plz halp
go fuck yourself
>>28334225
Wait until they drop in price.
>>28334225
Do you enjoy your sight:
- randomly turning off, in addition to the built-in auto power off
- delaminating
- losing the nitrogen purge in under a year
- not being waterproof or parallax free despite claims to the contrary
- having shit battery life
- just straight out dying for no discernible reason one day
If you answered yes to one or more of these questions, get an Eotech.
If not, get a good sight instead.
>mfw I am genuinely considering returning a xps2 just to make 80 dollarydoos based on the msrp then spending the money on another one because it's been a good sight for me
>>28334288
>get a good sight instead.
Any recommendations?
>>28334298
Trijicon MRO
Aimpoint H1/H2 Micro
A decent but not too expensive low power variable scope like the Viper PST.
>>28334235
Well, the details I had picked up on here >>28334235
Was the type of information I was looking for. From what I'd gathered in the thread, it was only an issue of functioning in extreme temperatures.
I'm probably just going to end up getting something cheap to play around with anyways. As long as it's not complete junk.
Unrelated note, here's a pretty AR-15.
>>28334330
>That barrel shroud
>pretty
nope nope nope
The funniest part of this whole thread is even how when you completely disregard the fact that EOshits suffer thermal drift and leak nitrogen, they are still complete garbage for every other reason that we have been saying for years now. The tears are so delicious.
>>28334288
>2012
>GUYS HAVE YOU SERIOUSLY NOT GOTTEN AN EOTECH ON YOUR SHIT FUCKING RIFLE YET WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU LITTLE POWER FUCKER DONT YOU HAVE MONEY FOR IT
>2015-16
>GUYS HAVE YOU SERIOUSLY GOTTEN AN EOTECH ON YOUR SHIT FUCKING RIFLE WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU LITTLE POWER FUCKER DIDNT YOU GET MONEY FOR IT
fuck it. im for gun control now.
>>28334423
I know how you feel, its like most of the gun community want to push people away from guns. Have had such bad experiences with workers at gun shops who fuck off and don't help customers instead talk with their buddies. Pretty sure those kind of people browse /k/.
>>28334363
There are no tears. Eotech owners are either abusing the refund to buy better EOtechs, or Trijicon MRO. People who have had an eotech for up to ten years or longer and experienced no problems are laughing at you Aimpoint shills trying so hard for your shitty optic to stay relevant.
MRO is superior optic at lower price point. Otherwise Primary Arms fucks your asshole every step of the way and leaves your wallet intact.
>>28334423
Never seen anyone say the first.
They've always been oversized, overweight, battery-sucking, gimmicky red dots.
>>28334522
>gimmicky red dots
>Only "red dot" sight that kept 1 moa even when maganified.
>mfw typical /k/ "debate" over which rifle-priced optic is superior
I guess I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but carry handle/A-frame patrician reporting in.
>>28334530
I really love my carry handle, I'm always dead on with it even out to 500 yards.
>>28334522
> oversized
A XPS is 97mm x 54mm x 64mm, a Comp M4 is 135mm x 72mm x 72mm.
>overweight
A XPS is 255 grams, a Comp M4 is 268 grams.
>inb4 you do something desperate to save face like post a MRDS
EOTech makes MRDSes too, and they're smaller and lighter than aimpoints as well.
>>28334555
>A4gery with carry handle
Gawjus
>>28334453
>People who have had an eotech for up to ten years or longer and experienced no problems are laughing at you Aimpoint shills trying so hard for your shitty optic to stay relevant.
That's it, let it all out. Don't be shy, even big boys cry sometimes. I would cry, too, if the optic I was so emotionally invested in got REKT this hard.
>>28334566
>smallest eotech to largest aimpoint
Nice valid comparison there broseph. Eotech doesn't make any MRDS, Insight does and only bears the Eotech branding after their acquisition by L3.
>>28334529
Oh no! My dot is ever so slightly bigger!
Better to have a 2 MOA dot that stays put than a 1 MOA do that moves a dozen MOA or so when it's hot or cold.
>>28334566
>comparing the smallest EoTech sight to the largest Aimpoint red dot
>>28334594
>most modern LE/Mil EOTech to most modern LE/Mil Aimpoint with a comparatively sized lens isnt fair
stay butthurt
>smallest
The XPS isnt the smallest sight EOTech makes, pic related is. Now stay butthurt it is smaller and lighter than a AP Micro too.
http://www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapon-sights/mini-red-dot-sight-mrds
>>28334673
Sweet Insight MRDS bro. Protip: It's not a HWS.
>>28334673
That's the EoTech-branded Insight he was talking about. You silly goose.
>>28334699
>Protip: It's not a HWS.
No shit sherlock.
>>28334710
>he
you mean me
>>28334729
Yeah, I was referring to >>28334594
>>28326290
>Not failed, but looks fuzzy and not as good as it used to i think
the reticule is a collection of tiny dots produced by a laser and a series of prisms. it'll always be fuzzy.
>>28334737
ah, somehow overlooked that post
>>28334594
>acquisition
So its made by L3 too since they've been acquired? Just as I said? Wow, your post is absolutely nothing.
>>28334761
>brings up mini red dot originally designed and made by a separate company in order to defend the reputation of another company that just settled a $26million lawsuit for defrauding the government
Keep crying, bitch nigga
>>28327090
>has a voice that makes me want to instinctly punch him in the face.
>sounds like a glasses wearing asian faggot with braces, acne, and a body pillow
>jesus christ i'm right on most counts.
while his video is okay, he needs to take a speech class.
>>28334296
>mfw uncle started a gun shop so I get stuff at dealer cost and might just do the same.
>>28334810
>in order to defend the reputation of another company that just settled a $26million lawsuit for defrauding the government
lol wut?
>>28334450
Wah, my few bad experiences are emblematic of a large group of people who's main commonality is their interest in guns.
Grow up, some people are dicks. Why that would have any effect on you liking guns is beyond me.
>>28335133
>few bad experiences
More like every place that sells firearms is filled with stuck up assholes.
>>28334866
Welcome to the discussion
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/United-States-v.-L-3-Communications-Eotech-Inc.-et-al.pdf
>>28335161
So what, as are car stealerships I still own and enjoy my car.
>>28335191
>I have the reading comprehension skills of a nigger
>>28335251
We know.
>>28332098
Keep us posted anon.
I'm gonna send mine in as soon as I hear about at least ONE person getting their refund check.
From someone who does not own any optics other than iron sights and scopes ~ from reading this thread it looks like all of the eotech people are quite butt hurt.
That is all
>>28335251
Yes because only a nigger would type
>lol wut
outside reddit
>>28334170
I've had plenty of good times with my 552 as well.
But as soon as I hear about someone finally getting a refund, I'm going to send mine in and get an ACOG.
Now that is an optic that will also earn major points, even more than an EOtech.
>>28334298
Acog if you're not a poorfag.
>>28325832
Sent mine in last week,have gotten no response.
>>28335434
i use a trijicon. i'm not even sure an ACOG has malfunctioned from any temperature that doesn't melt them. not having any electronics helps. the euro battery ones are probably similarly good.
>>28335543
>The ACOG is made out of magical unicorn horns which dont expand or contract as the temperature changes
>>28334747
yeah, it's really gay when shooting 150+ yards.
I think EOtechs, with or without magnifier are really only sub-100 yard optics, due to the reticle.
>>28325832
I just put mine in the mail yesterday.
I didnt even have to furnish a proof of purchase with price. I just gave a number, and they came back with "k, we'll give you that and 15 bucks for shipping."
super easy to do, just fill out the RMA on their website, and be sure to put "refund requested" in the comments section.
>>28335554
it's made of forged aluminum and has no electronics typically; it's etched glass and some tritium and fiber optics. i never said it wasn't affected by thermodynamics, only that i've never heard of one failing at any temperature that wouldn't also melt them.
>>28335556
well, considering the HWS when first marketed were for SMG's and carbines, i'm not surprised.
>>28335543
>Malfunction
>>28335665
>failing
good job moving the goal posts
>>28335798
>good job moving the goal posts
malfunction and failure are pretty much the same - they don't do their job anymore.
try to contain your autism. do you actually know of any failed/malfunctioned ACOGs from temperature?
>>28335853
>malfunction and failure are pretty much the same
ok lets roll with this.
>do you actually know of any failed/malfunctioned ACOGs from temperature?
see >>28335554 and then:
>>28335665
>i never said it wasn't affected by thermodynamics
stating that
now stay rekt
>>28335929
good to know you can't refute anything. ACOGs doesn't seem to have any malfunctions or failures from temperature.
>>28335853
>malfunction and failure are pretty much the same
>>28335946
>ACOGs doesn't seem to have any malfunctions or failures from temperature.
>>28335665
>i never said it wasn't affected by thermodynamics
The contradictions here are astounding.
>>28327101
*laughs*
Dude I'll be out of the Army before my M68 needs the battery changed.
>>28329249
IT means some suits did a cost analysis of settling vs. fighting. Corporations and municipalities do it all the time whether they're in the wrong or not.
>>28326370
anything powered by batteries is going to take a shit in that kind of weather.
>defense contractor gets sued because our universe is subject to the laws of thermodynamics
Top lel
>>28339792
Okay bud, because it's not like if they were innocent and the big bad government were unduly persecuting honest little eoshit they wouldn't have countered.
You're so deluded you're basically remaking history at this point. All evidence shows they were totally in the wrong, lied, hid the truth and committed endless breaches of contract at minimum they are a company that is devoid of basic ethics and consistently produces trash. So you go ahead and give them all your money, I hope when EO's become worthless you have to eat the fucking things.
>>28339945
>implying the government doesn't litigate the fuck out of their own contractors for literally nothing, all the time
Talk about rewriting history
>>28339943
But only the one though, wonder why it's just the one and the rest aren't being sued? What arguments are there for getting one of these turds now that >muh sof will be dropping them in landfills by the 100's?
Top EO kek
>>28339987
>implying they do
I'm a DoD civ and have worked in contracting, if glad handing and no-bid are persecution then yes you have a point.
You EOshit fanboys belong in the fucking insane asylum, you're finished not even time travel could save your shitty little optic and your frail little ego's. Just give it up.
>>28339997
>>28340038
>implying government doesn't sue, cancel contracts last minute with no compensation, or find ways to ITAR fine or EAR Control fine you into endless servitude of Uncle Sam
Literally know nothing scrubs
>>28340072
>no proof
>not true
Literally anally devastated fanboy.
>play insurgency
>eotech has a shitty fucking reflection on the glass that makes it hard to see
>aimpoint just werks
just like real life
>>28340091
>be ITT
>biggest NV contractor, bigger than NV
>literally follow all export guidelines
>get hit with ITAR violations anyways
>forced to pay 100 million
>US Gov says they will suspend the 100 million dollar fine if they R&D 50 million dollar worth of shit for them
>US Gov then gives them contract for billions on some of the shit they made
I'm surprised you don't know about this because it's pretty much common knowledge for anyone who claims to work
>Lockheed Martin gets sued
>US Government sells UAE a bunch of missiles
>UAE has export permits for missiles and bunch of stuff
>Lockheed talks to UAE about the missiles
>USA fines Lockheed 4 million dollars
>literally fining them for "classified" information both parties already know
The list goes on but they basically make it impossible to have proper compliance with policies, and they want it that way.
>>28340370
>>biggest NV contractor, bigger than NV
Bigger than L3
>>28326471
>L3 going bankrupt over Eotech refunds
>L3 selling Eotechs overseas breaking ITAR when they are already in the government spotlight
Pick neither
>>28340706
>eotech
>ITAR
They are EAR controlled and they already have permits to sell them basically everywhere
>>28334330
That looks like a Casio G-Shock that a nigger had gold plated and encrusted with fake diamonds.
>>28335554
ACOGs are renowned for their ability to take massive abuse and hold zero. This is fact not opinion, and has been for 15+ years.
