We all laugh at the PAK-FA, because it's 12 production planes
We all laugh at the T-14, because China has better tanks
What about the Admiral Gorshkov? What to say if we want to ridicule it?
Here is video from its trials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyVuK4zRwSs
>>28282265
Honestly looks brety gud
Specs are brety gud too
Russia's newer ships and subs are pretty good all around, even if the production rates are a little too small
>>28282265
China doesn't have better tanks.
Better (and cheaper) than LCShit
>>28282265
Probably the only one of it's class they'll ever build/finish.
DESIGNATED
>>28282350
Kasatonov only needs its propulsion system, which unfortunately is being built in Ukraine, now they'll make it domestically but probably will be on 2018 or more, The 2nd and 3rd ship in line will have Chinese.
Prochips: Gorshkov uses Kasatonov's engines because Gorshkov's engine got damaged before it left port, so they exchanged engines but as the engine was sent back, Crimea happened.
>>28282384
>so they exchanged engines but as the engine was sent back
What part of the engine? The generator and reduction gear was built in Ukraine, the turbine and control systems are built in Russia.
>>28282455
>>28282384
Apparently Saturn is rebuilding the damaged engine, the commissioning is scheduled for 2016. So that means late 2017.
>>28282265
>We all
facepalm.jpg
>>28282384
>The 2nd and 3rd ship in line will have Chinese.
That will never happen, they would rather have no engine than a Chinese engine.
>>28282488
They get Chinese engines for new Buyans already. Yes, it is placeholder until domestic engines appears, but still.
>>28282265
>We all
>China has better tanks
>>28282265
It's a breddy good ship, but it's being manned by the Russian Navy.
>>28282265
>We all.
>China has better tanks
Holy shit, why are the Chicoms shilling so hard recently?
That said the Gorshkov seems like a decent frigate, production withstanding overall a fine platform.
Why is no one mentioning the gun that is too far upfront? It looks stupid.
Why is no one mentioning how the gun fires very slowly? It is only 130mm, western 130mm fires 60rpm or more. Idiots can't into guns.
Why is no one mentioning that the system looks like 80's tech?
Also that CIWS, it looks dumb really.
>>28282884
This, I'll add my own points
Why is it all grey?
That bridge looks ugly
Why does it need a pointed nose?
Why is there a hole in the side? What a shitty design
>>28282884
>Why is no one mentioning how the gun fires very slowly?
The USN 127mm is only 20rpm, the British 4.5 inch is 25.
The new Russian 130mm is 45rpm max.
>>28282265
If you compare it to a Type 26 it has some advantages but the Type 26 is generally a better vessel.
>>28282668
>>28282613
No one is shilling retard its another amerifat banter thread
>>28283192
Oh, fuck off with your retarded assbait.
Nobody with a genuine interest likes this nationalistic shitposting.
>>28282537
>They get Chinese engines for new Buyans already. Yes, it is placeholder until domestic engines appears, but still.
Its MTU engines for the first 5 Buyan-Ms, the last would have Chinese ones, or maybe they will have spare capacity for the Karakurt's engines and end up using Russian engines in the end. Dunno, its up in the air, Buyan-Ms are pretty much el cheapo rocket boats- fck only a Pantsir and EW suites to protect itself is disgusting.
>>28282265
>We all laugh at the PAK-FA, because it's 12 production planes
laugh all you want, but its the most sensible thing to do instead of rushing things wait for the plane to show its faults in the LRIP model while the relevant tech for the next line of serials mature and refine. look at the Typhoon first tranche mess for example of what happens when you throw caution in the wind.
>We all laugh at the T-14, because China has better tanks
their best tanks are T-90A tier at best. The clean sheet design of the T-14 is basically what the Russians have arrived at when they exhausted all practical means of bettering the storied T-64/72 line.
>>28283192
Admiral Gorshkov has more firepower then the latest Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
Comparison with some shitty british frigate aren't needed here.
>>28283307
Stop false flagging americuck
>>28283192
>>28283307
eg. the Type 26 has..
- more missiles (anti ship and anti air)
- better endurance/range (nearly twice the gorshkov)
- lower crew requirement (nearly half the gorshkov)
- can carry two helicopters vs the gorshkov's one...
>>28283290
>instead of rushing things wait for the plane to show its faults in the LRIP model
Except that's the entire point of LRIP .You find issues that can only be discovered when you have more airframes operating rather than a handful of prototypes. The first iteration of pretty much any fighter plane is vastly different from the final product.
>>28282265
>Still using compass and rulers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sucks when they dont even have GPS.
They should send officers to China so they can be trained on how to use modern equipment.
>>28283290
>fck only a Pantsir and EW suites to protect itself is disgusting.
>He doesn't even know of Gibka
Even Iranian midget submarines don't stand a chance against Gibka missiles
>>28282983
What Navy ship isn't grey?
Usually bows are pointy to cut through the water...
That "hole" is most likely where their fast boat davit is.
>>28283397
Every single ship on the ocean still uses paper charts in addition to GPS and ECDIS
>>28283397
>>28283343
>Type 26 has
No, it doesn't, because it don't even exist.
The numbers of crew and range aren't official numbers and were made by some retards.
Also, Admiral Gorshkov armed with the best super sonic anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles in the world and will get hypers-sonic anti-ship missile till the 2020.
Type 26 will be outdated before it even enter in service.
>>28283372
>Except that's the entire point of LRIP .You find issues that can only be discovered when you have more airframes operating rather than a handful of prototypes. The first iteration of pretty much any fighter plane is vastly different from the final product.
no. you only need a squadron or two at best then you abuse the hell out of those planes to accelerate the development and detection of faults.
>>28283397
>Sucks when they dont even have GPS.
>They should send officers to China so they can be trained on how to use modern equipment.
moron of the highest caliber here. im not even going to dignify you with a proper response.
>>28283424
>no. you only need a squadron or two at best then you abuse the hell out of those planes to accelerate the development and detection of faults.
This would theoretically work if they had their actual engines installed.
LRIP also helps make the transition from prototype to full rate production much easier and efficient, which is pretty important when you're expecting to build over 2,000 planes.
>>28283411
>What Navy ship isn't grey?
>Usually bows are pointy to cut through the water...
>That "hole" is most likely where their fast boat davit is.
Someone cannot into obvious sarcasm.
>>28283415
>What is training
Clearly that pic shows a white officer showing some colored POG how they did it before the advent of satellites. Lest the guy cannot understand GPS and needs something to fallback on.
>>28283438
Stop project your own fantasies on the pic.
>>28283372
>Except that's the entire point of LRIP .You find issues that can only be discovered when you have more airframes operating rather than a handful of prototypes. The first iteration of pretty much any fighter plane is vastly different from the final product.
He is right you know, just look at the F35. They have over 100 of them by now and their planes constantly shit out problem after problem...Except they aren't getting any betterm just more expensive...
>>28282265
So the missile that was launched is hot launched from UKSK, it seems to have lateral thrusters but it doesn't look like Oniks, So it's Kalibr but with thrusters?
At first I thought it was Redut AA but Redut is Cold launched and 9M96 has black smoke lateral thrusters this one does not and is hot launched so it is not Redut but UKSK.
>>28283438
>NAVAL BASE KITSAP-BREMERTON, Wash. (March. 7, 2013) Quartermaster Seaman Jerrinysha Boutin, from New Orleans, plots a course aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76).
>>28283438
>What is that?
>What do you mean, 'What is that', that's Ensign Santiago
>I know who that is, what is it doing on the bridge?
>>28283468
> So it's Kalibr but with thrusters?
Kalibrs always were with thrusters.
>>28282265
>12 production planes
Just for the first order.
>because China has better tanks
We really don't know. Chances are the Russia FCS and stabilization are worse but Russian defensive measures, APS, their composites, and their ERA and such are pretty decent.
>>28283533
>Chances are the Russia FCS and stabilization are worse
you are comparing biathlon tanks. those T-72B4s never received upgrades for their stabilization but at least they have commander's panoramic thermals aside from gunner's thermals.
>>28283529
There's a difference, the missile at OP seems to have a flight path like Oniks or 9M96 with their lateral thrusters, the webm on yours show some quasi ballistic trajectory.
>>28283642
9M96 has a fucking sweet launch, I like it better than the Oniks launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hm_obuMcO0
>>28282265
>We all laugh at the T-14, because China has better tanks
Why /k/ has so much teenager trolling these days? Is it all nogun kids who play Battlefield and think they have military experience?
I expect to read this sort of comments in youtube comments, not /k/.
>>28282265
>Russia
>navy that matters
Gee that was hard
They couldn't even try to take on China or India let alone a western power
>>28283725
Too fat, try again.
>>28283810
>everyone that points out how shit tier Russia is is a burger
Step it up vatnik
>>28283692
Because muh guarantied replies.
>>28283816
>Says anything about burgers
kid BTFO
>>28283822
>kid
Oh I forgot, no school today. This is the Day/k/are thread.
>>28283824
So much effort for attention, eh?
>>28283240
I never said anything about shilling?
>>28283725
>They couldn't even try to take on China or India let alone a western power
shit post is shit. only the Murican Navy can take on the Russian Navy and win- others get brutalized something fierce. thats what prioritizing subs as your offensive arm while just about everyone else is shit at ASW does.
>>28282265
Call us back when they build a destroyer or cruiser.
>>28283307
>Admiral Gorshkov has more firepower then the latest Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
>half the VLS cells
>only 16 can carry actual cruise missiles
ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa
no
>>28284005
Congratulations, you took bait.
>>28283826
>>28283822
>>28283810
I am so triggered!
pls don't kill yourself aussie! ;_;
>>28282265
>Gook shill thread #1453
Leave.
>>28282488
>dat jelly
Chinese ship engines are actually pretty good.
Chink ships get towed far less back to port than Russian ones kek.
And their production rate of new warships means that their engines have accumulated far more operational hours than Russian ones, making them much more mature and proven.
40+ 054A and 056 Frigates all operating their licence produced and modified MTU engines.
>>28284047
>i want to die
>india
>>28282884
>130mm
>60rpm
Ok bro. Was that in black ops 1 or 2?
>>28283656
Hot powder ejector charge, second powder charge to clear off packaging and ready motor, then the normal motor smoke.
>>28283397
Why would they need GPS when glonass is more accurate?
>>28284252
Guess that's why they kept crossing over into Turkish airspace
>Russian systems
>Capable at all
The IDF bombed Syria's allies in the middle of Damascus and the S400 systems didn't even do a thing
Admiral Gorshkov is relatively cheap, isn't it? But missile boats are cheaper.
I've got a hard on for small navy ships that are decked out with tons of weapons. The old WW2 PT boats were literally carrying and delivering the punch of cruisers in a tiny package. Efficiency.
>>28284231
I wonder where they're getting all these rounds per minute numbers. Here's a USN destroyer going at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXjshw_eT8
Clearly in the 20-25 rounds per minute range.
Here's an AK-176 right at about 30 rounds per minute. Wiki claims 120 rounds per minute, which would be 4 times as fast as the firing in this vid, or one round per half second. Not sure I buy that. At all. Shit, the AK-130 is dual mount and only gets 70 rounds per minute max.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luU4mxneWTE
>>28284262
>The IDF bombed Syria's allies in the middle of Damascus and the S400 systems didn't even do a thing
>newfag detected
Russians and Juice made a deal desu.
>>28284258
>Guess that's why they kept crossing over into Turkish airspace
getting shot down over a few seconds worth of alleged Turkish border incursion is not something you expect from considered rational actors. Russians learnt from that mistake and recognized the Turks for the two faced bastards they are.
>>28284280
Maybe they shouldn't keep running into other people's airspace? Maybe they should upgrade their GLONASS?
>>28284280
>Russians and Juice made a deal desu.
Don't the Russians hate Israel and Jews? Why would they cut a deal?
>>28284280
>getting shot down over a few seconds worth of alleged Turkish border incursion is not something you expect from considered rational actors.
>rational actors
Or maybe the Turks were very justifiably concerned over the Russian deeply ingrained habit of taking an inch, then taking another, then taking a mile, until they've got constant overflights directly. The only way to deal with Russian fuckery like that is to draw a line, repeatedly warn them and follow through on your warnings.
>>28284297
Propaganda is propaganda. Everything is misinformation.
>>28284286
> 2012 Syrians shoot down turkish jet for violating airspace for a few minutes, the turks publically announce that minor border incursions of less then 9 minutes should never justify military action.
> 2014 Turkish fighters violates Greece airspace in excess of 2000 times in that year alone.
Airspace are a common everyday thing for most countries around the world and to massive levels as the Turkish fighter pilots can contest to until
> 2015 they where in our airspace for 17 seconds, we didn't have the time to warn them fully with a fly by or even warning shots, so we fired!
I really really wish people don't actually believe what the turks did was in good order and are just hating on the Russians cause you will be supporting massive fucking hypocrites
>>28284338
So if Glonass is so good why do the Russians keep violating air space?
>>28284286
>>28284338
Weaboo fucking btfo
>>28282884
>caring about aesthetics
>>28284279
Theres video of A190 a 100mm Russian going more than 60rpm
>>28284368
Where did i say Glonass is shit again? where did i even mention navigation, argue the point a actually said rather then winning a straw man.
>>28284369
mate, i fucking hate the russians, and the turks there both shit. doesn't mean i can't post facts
>>28284416
that wan't me friend, i barged into your argument/troll mid swing it seems, i apologies complete anonymity sucks sometimes.
>>28284307
So Russia is really BFF with Israel even though they supposedly fund ISIS and hate Syria and Iran?
>>28284297
>Don't the Russians hate Israel and Jews?
They don't hate them. people on both sides still have families on either countries.
>Why would they cut a deal?
why not? the Russians are there to help prop up the Syrian Government(not necessarily Assad since they said they will support whoever replaces him in an election) by helping in destroying the rebels and not to kickstart WW3.
>>28284368
>So if Glonass is so good why do the Russians keep violating air space?
same reason your mother kept violating apes and then 9 months later, here you are.
>>28284488
>They don't hate them.
Then why are the comment sections on Russians largest online newspaper 1000 pages of /pol/ tier jew hate?
>>28284528
Well, there once was a man named Stalin.
Over all his life was pretty ballin'.
But when he saw all the jews,
he said make them but a few,
and the Pogroms came a-callin'!
>>28284411
We love you too
>>28284368
plane was never over turkey to begin with
>>28285788
Just like Russia was never in Georgia, Crimea or Ukraine, amirite?
>>28284046
you actually have to get mad tho
>>28284267
>I've got a hard on for small navy ships that are decked out with tons of weapons. The old WW2 PT boats were literally carrying and delivering the punch of cruisers
>pt boats
>punch of nine 8-inch guns
i just took the bait again didn't i
>>28284301
as a greek-american who fucking hates turks and honestly believes they're working against the international cause of counter-terrorism as much as they are advancing it (by bombing kurds and buying oil from ISIS) I agree wholeheartedly. Fuck the Russians.
