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Well fuck me sideways, we're running out of bombs to bomb the suicide bombers.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/index.html
Or is this just a ploy by the military industrial complex for more shekels?
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carpet bomb
stockpiles of bombs are always really low
This is one of the more major issues the US has, not stockpiling enough weapons
The US has always had issues not stockpiling enough weapons.
>>28087531
It won't be a problem once the gun grab occurs.
>>28087579
>stockpiles of bombs are always really low
>This is one of the more major issues the US has
>>28087531
we need another big war to build a fat surplus of bombs for.
>>28087587
>>28087579
>The US has always had issues not stockpiling enough weapons.
>stockpiles of bombs are always really low
In comparison to Russia maybe.
but since Russia is the country equivalent of an extreme hoarder it's not really a fair comparison.
>>28087676
Hmm let's see,
> dirty
> poor
> fined by community(sanctions)
> water, gas, electric frequently shut off
Holy shit you're right.
>>28087531
I think currently we manufacture something like 500-600 Hellfires per month.
If we're using more than that per month Jesus Christ we're really bombing the hell out of them.
>>28087531
Just bring back arclite strikes from B-52s with old iron bombs.
Just start nuking them. we have plenty of those.
>>28087531
There's no way we're using up Hellfires so fast nobody had time to keep stocks up.
>>28087850
This seems to be less of a "we're literally out of missiles and bombs" situation, and more of a situation where they're projecting a shortage in the future if they don't ramp up production.
>>28087531
>Or is this just a ploy by the military industrial complex for more shekels?
that's always the underlying assumption for any PR released by Fort Fumble.
I like the idea of barrel bombs full of medical isotopes and baby goats as a cost effective replacement
>wasting your entire missile stockpile on bombing a plain desert
almost as hilarious as spending 1,7 gazillions on dysfunctional toy jet
funds must flow i guess
>>28087835
even just for shits and giggles.
also: carpet bomb with accordions
>>28087865
It'll be a better help to the economy than the next weapon system that has billions spent on it and then is never sent to manufacture.
>>28087531
more shekels
supply must meet demand and you can be assured it always will
>>28087531
Just move on to using nukes.
inb4 fundraiser for more bombs lol
>>28087926
>Carpet bomb with accordions
Fucking comical
>>28087982
>for just ten thousand dollars a day you can ensure this unmanned killing machine gets the missiles it needs
>>28087982
>adopt a uav
>donate a certain amount and get to drop a bomb on a dirt farmer from an air conditioned trailer in the states
>>28087982
Which would work better, a car wash or a bake sale?
>>28087579
That's complete fucking bullshit. Nobody else in the world has anything close to the US stockpile of PGMs.
The article is just the USAF justifying the increase in procurement in 2016 (see pic). Note that what Walsh says is not "running out" it's "below desired objective." That just means the USAF wants zero impact on their stockpile.
Using hellfires to blow up random towelheads & their technicals is hilarious overkill.
The army should field the APKWS. Basically you screw a guidance system onto your cheapass old HYDRA 70 rockets (or similar ordnance) and turn it into a cheap and effective Hellfire replacement.
Of course, the hellfire has a place to blow up tanks and bunkers, but a Hydra 70 is plenty to fuck with terrorists & insurgents.
Any helicopter, UAV or plane outfitted to guide Hellfires can be retrofitted to fire APKWS equiped Hydra 70s. Bonus is that you can carry 4 Hydra 70 for each Hellfire that you used to have. Means light drones have more ammo.
APKWS + Hydra 70 = $28,500 + $1,000 = just shy of $30,000 in current production (bound to go down in mass production)
Hellfire = $110,000 in current production (already mass produced)
(actual Hellfire cost is higher according to >>28088083 too, so that's even worse)
>>28087531
> US running out of bombs
Is this a joke?
Thats like china running out of tea or africa running out of aids.
>>28088181
Range and altitude deficiencys nigga.
They are not a direct replacement.
>>28088181
So basically, you can carry 4 APKWS in the place of each Hellfire, at the cost of 4 vs 1 on unit price as well.
You can load them into standard Hydra 70 pods, or just keep your Hellfire rack and mix & match as you see fit with the tiny 4 unit launcher.
I bet drone pilots creamed their jumpsuit.
>>28088181
Could this also be fitted to CVR7 rockets (what Canada & UK use)??
>>28087531
>Moar money for dem air force programs
>>28088238
CVR7 has its own laser guided version. and in addition to APWKS there's also 2 other different types of guided Hydras, DAGR and LOGIR.
>>28088181
You'd want DAGR instead of APKWS then. It's compatible with Hellfire launchers, so you can just fire them from Reapers and Predators with no fuss. It's also got LOAL.
>>28088083
No doubt when the war on ISIS winds down procurement will not correspondingly decrease, but tha's the military-industrial complex for you.
>>28088198
>Range and altitude deficiencys nigga.
>They are not a direct replacement.
Of course not since they don't have the exact same role.
APKWS Range: 1,100–5,000 m (rotary wing); 2–11 km (fixed wing)
Hellfire Range: 7,000-8,000 m
But for what we use to blast durkas? It's a friggin' perfect fit.
>>28088238
>Could this also be fitted to CVR7 rockets (what Canada & UK use)??
Since they're basically 2.75" missiles, it should be possible, though it might require minor differences in manufacture.
Also, the CVR7-PG already does most of what you want it to do. Only it's more expensive IIRC.
>>28088258
>DAGR and LOGIR.
There's GATR-L, LOGIR, CVR-PG, SNEB, Ugroza, etc. But atm, APKWS II appear to be coming out on top. BEA beat Lockheed Martin and Raytheon for the program, though obviously the competition isn't giving up that easily and is trying to peddle their own alternatives.
APKWS will be able to use the new 13.7 pound M822 tri-mode penetrating/blast/incendiary warhead, which can punch through 40″ of reinforced concrete or 1″ of steel, while creating over 1,500 fragments and a 2,000F degree zirconium burn. Thus even making it viable against more hard targets.
>>28088259
>You'd want DAGR instead of APKWS then. It's compatible with Hellfire launchers, so you can just fire them from Reapers and Predators with no fuss.
So? Same thing with the APKWS II.
>It's also got LOAL.
At a higher price tag. Which is exactly what they're trying to keep down with this program.
>>28088370
>APKWS Range: 1,100–5,000 m (rotary wing); 2–11 km (fixed wing)
Thats APKWS II friend, which is a whole different beast than APKWS.
Like comparing an AIM-9M to an AIM-9X
>>28088332
And why exactly would you assume that? JDAM orders ebbed before as Iraq and Afghanistan wore down to like 4000 a year.
>>28087579
>This is one of the more major issues the US has, not stockpiling enough weapons
Yeah, its one of your major ''issues''
LOL
>>28088386
>Thats APKWS II friend, which is a whole different beast than APKWS.
Well yes, that's the continuation of the APKWS program?
I didn't say APKWS I or II (though the picture clearly implied II).
I said APKWS.
>>28087817
>If we're using more than that per month Jesus Christ we're really bombing the hell out of them.
If we're using more than that per month, Jesus Christ were really wasting tax payers money blowing up sand dunes and mud huts, trying to give the illusion that were actually fighting Isis.
FTFY
>>28088423
There is no APKWS I, its called APKWS.
The continuation is II, which is still in development.
Interesting fact though, in terms of actual bombs rather than guidance kits, for FY16 the USAF is ordering about 4 times as many 2000lbers as 500lbers. So those F-15Es and B-1s are certainly getting work done.
>>28088438
>There is no APKWS I, its called APKWS.
>The continuation is II, which is still in development.
That's a nope nope.
It's currently in full production since the previous delivery to Jordan. They bought 110 units for their CN-235 gunships.
Look it up. Production units are currently rolling out of the factory. Development will obviously carry on, but they're in full scale production now.
>>28088475
>It's currently in full production since the previous delivery to Jordan. They bought 110 units for their CN-235 gunships.
Nope, upon further reading they got the APKWS.
US actually meet IOC with the APKWS II, but is not exporting it.
And he is right, if autistic. There is no APKWS I.
>>28087591
So we're going to start using precision guided Glocks?
I could see that being quite devastating
>>28088438
>There is no APKWS I, its called APKWS.
That's a bit pedantic. When I said Hellfire, you didn't start asking if I meant:
AGM-114A Basic Hellfire
AGM-114B/C Basic Hellfire
AGM-114D/E Basic Hellfire
AGM-114F Interim Hellfire
AGM-114G Interim Hellfire
AGM-114H Interim Hellfire
AGM-114J Hellfire II
AGM-114K Hellfire II
AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire
AGM-114M Hellfire II
AGM-114N Hellfire II
AGM-114P Hellfire II
ATM-114Q Hellfire II
AGM-114R Hellfire II (Hellfire Romeo)[31]
AGM-114S Hellfire II
AGM-114T Hellfire II
>>28088488
I guess Defense Industry Daily is wrong then, I'll have to take your word over theirs. It's not like their title says APKWS II is in production or anything.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/apkws-ii-hellfire-jr-hydra-rockets-enter-sdd-phase-02193/
>>28088519
They are wrong.
http://defense-update.com/20140501_jordan-equips-cn-235-gunship-apkws-2-75-guided-rockets.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jordan-equips-cn-235-gunship-apkws-2-75-guided-rockets#.VmIAU0dMGUl
The APKWS II reached IOC in 2013, of course it is in production anon.
And yes it is pedantic, but also correct. its arguable that there are only a few variants of hellfire actually in use.
>>28088083
And in addition to this you can throw in 2000 SDBs and 6000 Paveways (Paveway kits aren't listed as a single piece in the budget, but the MAU-209 is part of the laser guidance and so that number translates into the total number of kits)
>>28088083
>>28088577
I would assume that we are using up some of our older stocks of weapons, first in first out kinda like rotating a groceries store stock.
I know during this specific operation DDG 52 Barry and DDG 55 Stout, both late 80's vintage ships, launched most if not all of their on board Tomahawks into Libya.
Since it's the first time either of these ships and fired their weapons in anger I assume they were still carrying their original load out of tomahawks.
I know most PGMs only have a finite shelf life so I assume just like then we are using up the old weapons before they expire and now asking for newly manufactured ones (with a longer shelf life) to replace them.
Shekels!
>>28088418
>283 battleships
For a second I had a huge boner.
>>28088811
Pic Related
>>28088811
Also Pic Related
>>28088836
>For a second I had a huge boner.
Civilian logic.
war = battle
Military = war
Therefore military ship = battleship.
>>28088442
I'd guess that this might be due to SDB crowding out the demand for Mk 82s.
>>28088871
Behold, a battleship.
Could someone refresh my memory? Didn't Obama try to zero out Hellfire purchases a year or two ago? Or was that TLAM?
>>28088811
That's broadly true. However USN keeps its Tomahawks kept on board relatively up to date. The old ones are taken off and then stockpiled waiting for complete rebuilds to restore their service life and bring them back up to date. They have so many in fact the plan a year or two was to stop new procurement completely for several years and just rely on rebuilding old ones. The Middle East blowing up and Congressional lobbying nixed that plan so now they'll do both.
>>28088908
Both. Note that the Hellfire was only going to be stopped for the Army in anticipation of JAGM, the USAF was always going to keep buying more. Neither went through.
This is just the AOR stockpile, not the entire US arsenal. Of course they just want money.
>>28088937
This is not true. They factory shits out new Tomahawks all the time.
There are like 20,000 total ISIS how did they fire 20,000 missiles and not kill everyone?
>>28091241
Most bombing is against infrastructure, not people
>>28091241
Because there's more than 20,000
>>28091261
Ya, but you'd think you'd get some 2-fers...
>>28091261
>Most bombing is against infrastructure, not people
$110,000 to destroy a fucking pickup truck
A++ would war again
>>28091241
Where are you getting the 20,000 number from? The CIA, who lowballs/underplays the numbers of ISIS soldiers at 35,000, and there is some speculation that the number is of course, much, much higher. Like, 200,000 high. It's hard to quantify enemy combatant when they mingle with the locals as much as they do. On the othe hand, I'd like to think we're making the most of our ordinance by using it on vehicles and groups, and not just individuals. Drone strike footage kinda indicates that this isn't the case, and we ARE wasting the good stuff on lone retards.
>>28091289
Economy of scale, how much do you think that truck and the guys in it was worth to ISIS?
>>28087531
We still have a ready supply of griffins and gbu 39's. God forbid we go back to removing them wholesale with WCMD's.
>>28087706
Also hoards old shit military surplus for when the happening happens. Russia literally posts here.
>>28091241
over in dirka land, joining ISIL is a really great idea, because to truly live as a muslim, you must join an existing caliphate and help impose sharia law.
We're literally bombing a huge portion of the middle east population. The bombing will never end until assad or otherwise marches ground troops in.
