Do you think Spetznatz is overrated?
>>28079099
They're ruthless, which makes them good enough for what they're expected to do
>>28079099
Possibly. They tend to be some pretty scary dudes in real life.
>>28079099
That's a big rifle
>>28079099
why not make the barrel long enough to smash the terrorists head in from the adjacent building?
But they kill stuff really good
>>28079116
>Snake, look out! Sniper!
>>28079099
they're good at the "kill this stuff" part of their job.
markedly less good at the "don't kill this stuff" part
>>28079116
4GRU
>>28079099
Spetsnaz literally just means Special Forces. There are GRU Spetsnaz, FSB Spetsnaz, Police Spetsnaz, etc. Who are you talking about?
>>28079099
>Raise puppy
>Go through entire grueling training with it
>Kill it
Which "Spetznaz"? There are like 30 of them, not counting special police units.
If anything they are underrated.
>Western war fighting doctrine
>Try to win the hearts and minds of the local population, diplomacy, try to negotiate and harter, waste endless man-hours and an unimaginable amount of money trying to get your enemy to see things your way, cant fire at the enemy unless you are fired upon first, cant fire on mosques, ect.... The list goes on and on
>Russian war fighting doctrine
Kill and bomb anything that gives you even one molecule of resistance without hesitation or mercy
This is how you win wars. This is why the US has not won a war since Nam. We try to fight these stupid politically correct, dont want to hirt the enemy's feelings wars. The only winnable war, is total war. Civilians be damned. Burn em all.
>>28079167
That's the standard scare story for every special forces group.
>>28079148
This.
Spetnaz will handle the bad guys, and most of the good guys too. Just look at that hostage situation not too long ago. They pumped in an experimental sleeping gas that killed some people who breathed too high concentrations, and then swept and cleared the entire building in like 30 seconds.
>>28079252
There was literally no other way to handle that situation.
>>28079214
Russia hasn't successfully invaded and held anything since WWII with the exception of crimea, for now
America > Europe > Japan > China > Australia > Greenland > India > Mexico > Brazil > Armenia > Turkey > Africa > Russia > Canada.
>>28079099
Which Spetsnaz? MVD Spetsnaz are meh compared to Spetsnaz GRU or Vympel
>>28079099
I was expecting a PTRD, I'm kinda disappoint
>>28079266
I dunno, maybe start negotiations, try to lure them out and kill them? Even if you kill all hostages close to them, you wouldn't kill as much as they did with the sleeping gas.
>>28079296
>They're all gonna walk out at the same time.
>>28079287
Quality post. Really. Thanks a bunch.
how can a bunch of faggots say on a mongolian cave drawing forum know?
>>28079309
To give you an idea..
>>28079153
clever post anon, i like it a lot
>>28079214
Russia has always done hearts and minds, they just do it where they feel it counts. While they were leveling remote villages in the mountains of Afghanistan, they were simultaneously building schools and hospitals all over Kabul.
>>28079271
>>28079153
>>28079252
>breathed too high concentrations
It was more due to asphyxiation based on their sitting position.
>>28079296
They had every hostage rigged with explosives, they knew what they were doing and were more than willing to die for their cause. Any direct action would have resulted in 100% casualties. As the other guy said, there was no other option and (not to sound like a slavaboo) the Russians handled it better than any western SF could have.
>>28079214
Still got chased out of afghanistan.
>>28079296
Yeah man, start negotiations with chechens. You realize they would have literally blow everyone the fuck up, right? The guy is right, there was no other way of doing this.
>>28079365
This.
Thier heads flopped down with thier chins tucked into thier chests and they suffocated.
>>28079266
That's true. I'm sure it was a hard decision but they didn't have many options with that one. That's one thing you can trust Russians with, handling the rough shit.
>>28079214
4chan is an 18+ website, sonny.
>>28079099
All special forces are overrated
>>28079472
Its true though, the American public loses its shit when a single soldier dies and they demand and end to war, the russian public never hears about and individual soldier being killed, nor would they lose their shit and demand they apologize to the people who killed him.
>>28079099
slav/10
>>28079490
>US Military takes 2,300 dead during a 14 year long campaign in Afghanistan
>Soviet Union takes 14,000 dead during a 10 year campaign
>US-backed government is still in place
>DRA no longer exists
Yeah, we should try to be more like the Russians.
Chechnya also illustrated this point well.
>>28079542
That's because russia didn't expect america to be training goat farmers and arming them with stinger missiles, and Chechnya was bad for russia because they were going against people armed with the same exact weapons they had, using mainly conscripts, shortly after the fucking soviet union collapsed, doesn't help that at that time corruption was rampant in the military cause salaries weren't getting paid
>>28079131
Lets just arm them with pikes.
>>28079153
This guy!
>>28079669
That is a scary thought
>Spetsnaz armed with pikes
>>28079153
>>28079621
None of these things indicate that the US should try to be more like Russia.
If anything, it's more like a cautionary tale.
What kind of rifle is that?
>>28079542
>>28079621
This is true, and it explains perfectly how they LOST, and why the whole world laughed at them for LOSING.
>russia installs puppet government in kabul
Rekt
>muricuh institutes first election in human history in afghan?
>taliban: "allahs great wrath will blow through the desert like cleansing wind, we will deliver the heads of the american pigs and thier european crusader cronies to him blah blah blah...."
>election goes
>75% voter turnout
>zero taliban activity because marines are crawling all over everywhere
>that government is still there. Its really shitty, but its there.
I should know, my company carried the ballot boxes to Kabul after posting election security. The locals were laughing at the talibans propaganda posters because we scared em off.
Just sayin, we were just grunts and we set up the first peaceful transfer of power the country has had since the russians puppet commie government collapsed in the 80's.
>OP takes thrown E-tool to the spine
>OP never seen again
still over rated?
>>28079779
Don't act like the US doesn't have a record of overthrowing democratic governments for not cooperating.
>>28079951
This is also true. Doesnt change the fact that spetznaz has a loooooooong LOOOOOOSING streak. Mainly to to incompetent leadership and corruption riddled logistics more than fighting ability, I'll give em that, they can fight like sons a bitches, but that doesnt matter if thier fat as fuck terminal alchoholic commanders cant employ it effectively enough to win.
>>28080122
>Implying you know anything about their engagements other than one or two highly publicized incidents.
>>28080167
Okay, so tell me about these super double secret handshake campaigns then. Links? Sources?
(No hints that something happened, im talking proof)
Im not being combative here, I legitimately wanna learn more cuz I always felt spetznaz is the most poorly utilized decent fighting force around.
>>28080232
There isn't going to any information on stuff like that. It's just no something that they would make public, whether it is secret or not. Does the U.S. release the details of everything the SEALs do? Or Delta Force? Sure, every now and then they'll do something that makes the news, or some idiot will write a book that he's not supposed to, but in general there is no way to know what they're up to.
>>28080325
Well im no asshole, I am willing to revise my opinions when proof is presented that my current stance is wrong, but unless anyone can post something contrary, I maintain that the spetznaz are a skilled but poorly used fighting force hampered by thier incompetent government.
>>28079266
The problem wasnt with the actual operation, but with not telling EMS what the gas was. The treatment the people received was shit tier as a result and many died.
>>28080573
>incompetent government.
Posted as Russia continues to kekhold any US geopolitcal actions
>>28080232
Again, Spetsnaz isn't one specific group. It's a term that means special forces. Lots of "groups" are Spetsnaz as in special forces because that is what the fucking word means.
Also, Russia doesn't talk about their "secret" operations as much as the US does. Not to mention that it's always specific, once in a blue moon related information.
How about all that shit that Delta pulls on a daily basis? You have any hard proof, "links and sources" other than a little here and there?
>>28080573
There was that one time terrorists kidnapped some russian diplomats so spetsnaz kidnapped their families, killed one, mailed body parts to the terrorists saying they're whole family is next if they don't release the diplomats they hadn't killed. >>28080573
>>28080651
That was Alpha Group
>Following the standard Soviet policy of no negotiations with terrorists, some of the hostages taken by Alpha Group were dismembered, and their body parts sent to the militants. The warning was clear: more would follow unless the remaining hostages were released immediately.
>>28080616
I thought they didn't even get EMS involved. Just got a load of soldier boys to carry them outzide and lay them down
>>28079383
>Still got chased out of afghanistan.
nah-uh. more like pulled out like a smooth criminal.
or are you saying the current NATO coalition got chased out too?>>28079296
>I dunno, maybe start negotiations, try to lure them out and kill them? Even if you kill all hostages close to them, you wouldn't kill as much as they did with the sleeping gas.
they literally stated there is no room for negotiations- just martyrdom for them and their hostages.
>>28079542
>>US Military takes 2,300 dead during a 14 year long campaign in Afghanistan
>>Soviet Union takes 14,000 dead during a 10 year campaign
taking on insurgents more than twice your number across the whole country tends to do that. hell the Panksir Valley the Soviets had a hell of a time pacificating was completely silent when the US led coalition were there.
>>28079779
>This is true, and it explains perfectly how they LOST, and why the whole world laughed at them for LOSING.
>>russia installs puppet government in kabul
>Rekt
nice lack of history. that puppet government had the muj on the run on their own. Only when the Soviet Union collapsed and the money dried up that the Afghan government itself collapsed too. And unfortunately this is whats gonna happen most likely to the current government too once the US pulls out ever- and that is even with oodles of funding, so yeah cant say either one is better than the other one really.
>I should know, my company carried the ballot boxes to Kabul after posting election security. The locals were laughing at the talibans propaganda posters because we scared em off.
thanks for that.
>>28079153
You've got the write stuff anon
>>28079153
I usually get annoyed at bane posting but
>mfw this post
>>28079287
care to elaborate my autist friend ?
look at his face. he's all just thinkin to himself like
>i have such a big fucking gun, this is fucking great
>>28082759
Yes, Russia is shit. Even Italy has more experience than slavastan. Watch Russia collapse in the coming years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye_hostage_crisis
200 Kebabs invades average US town in the middle of fucking nowhere with population 60.000 and take 2000 hostages. They held them in local hospital, they armed with heavy weapon. Every Kebab trained as average U.S. army rifleman. What will US police forces do in that situation?
>>28082999
Unleash MKultra mind control and shut the whole thing down like ayy's would.
>>28079099
>im the fuckwit who doesnt know what Spetznatz means
sigh. why are such morons still have arms?
>>28083035
>why are such morons still have arms
>>28081732
>they literally stated there is no room for negotiations- just martyrdom for them and their hostages.
If this is true then why was there a stand off and they didn't just kill them as soon as the media was on scene?
>>28079234
not speznas. they just pray in churches or temples and beat the shit out of gays.
>>28079271
>russia
>invade Crimea
rolf dem bait.
>>28082999
the most hilarious shit about USA is that they have mil. SWATS which still can get rid of gangs in own shithole.
>>28083136
>Georgetown
>pop 59,102
>Today the Georgetown Police department has a full-time staff of 74 sworn police officers, 24 civilian support staff, 12 animal services personnel, and 4 code enforcement officers.
>>28079153
best bane post since plane crash
>>28083353
rolf kek.
butthurt incoming
>>28083383
Butthurt about what? I'm just curious about is there a SWAT teams in such small towns or not. In , for example, Merced, California with pop. 80 000 there is a SWAT team, yes. But what about little towns?
They're not what they used to be.
Read up on Alpha Group.
They don't make them like that any more.
>>28083432
Usually a few townships will pool together for a "unified" SWAT. Or they call them in from the next metro area.
>>28079234
in sapper school you have to kill and eat rabbits, for literally no reason
>>28082996
Thier economy is booming, friendo.
>>28079287
>Europe
please just kill yourself.
>>28079153
good post man
>>28079148
if you want to make an omelet, you're going to have to break a couple eggs...
picture unrelated.
spetznaz just means special forced. The SAS are spetznaz
>>28083622
The Russian economy is on track to lose more then 4% GDP this year and they are in much worse shape then that makes it sound because of the loss of buying ability. Inflation is going to be at about 15.5% for the year.
So no, it's fucking not.
>>28083484
What do you mean, that's good knowledge to have. You can't expect that every war will be road-trips around the durka countryside with a McDonalds waiting back at base.
>>28084942
>>28084937
World bank data says 2014 was 0.6% GDP growth and 2015 was/is -2.7% with 2016 predicted to be 0.7% growth
Where are you getting this -4% GDP number from? The only citations I can find for it reference the website tradingeconomics, but they say that their own source is the world bank, even though their numbers don't match up with the world bank data.
Worldbank: http://data.worldbank.org/country/russian-federation
>>28079234
It's probably true, my family did something this when I was a kid. They made me raise a chicken, killed in front of me and forced me to eat it.
>>28084977
http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/12/news/economy/russia-economy-gdp-q3/
>>28084979
The southern death cult is endlessly fascinating.
>>28079099
Good at killing, less good at killing indiscriminately.
>>28084919
I... I don't get it
>>28084979
I think you just lived on a farm anon .
![pick-bf8c7a85-6c73-4b59-9d01-2e3f9c3664dd[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hgX4WOX.jpg "pick-bf8c7a85-6c73-4b59-9d01-2e3f9c3664dd[1].jpg")
>>28079099
why is chris o'downes in spetznaz?
