https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOu5ZGfgtVk
>More expensive than Glock
>Wings just snap off
>Mag release just falls off
>GRIPZONE just falls off
>Jams with 2 grains of sand in the slide
>Trigger rendered inoperable from just a few grains of sand
>Fails to function properly even after being cleaned off
>Plasic shitty parks bend and flex
Why would you ever pay more than a Glock for this piece of shit? Its a fucking PPQ with the retarded mag release and less capacity. Basically shit desu senpai.
>>28075470
This gon be gud
should have bought a Jericho goy
>>28075470
>Just falls off.
Riiiiight.
>>28075470
>Denser than a block of lead filled wood
>Brain just freezes up
>Can't use the catalog
>Slowpokes all day long
>Is a faggot
>>28075470
Hey look another thread about this. We all know fuckface, go read a book.
>>28075530
What is an OP, Alex?
I for one am thrilled to see HK fans defend this. I was seriously thinking about getting a VP9 until I saw that video
>>28075470
>gets wet
>won't fire
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>28075528
It did in the video.
After being thrown.
>HK DRONES IN FULL DAMAGE CONTROL MODE
>>28075528
From hitting a piece of wood with the force of a light toss, so you can't drop your HK PERFECTION from chest height.
>>28075530
LITERALLY "But ur retarded." Response
>>28075535
"Sh-shut up!"
>>28075470
Finally, now everyone will forget about squishy.
>>28075574
>>28075575
Steel plates are.... wood now?
>>28075576
Yep. Another day, a new meme.
>>28075575
I picked up an M&P over a VP9 when I had the chance, but you are seriously retarded if you can't find the thread with 108 replies already about this video.
>>28075576
Good idea.
We should post pictures of guns who's parts don't fall off when exposed to a basic ass stress test.
I wonder what a VP9 would look like if thrown from a 3 meter height. Five times.
>>28075584
>Didn't even watch the video
>Still damage control.
There was no paint in the area where the mag release was, from the steel target. That means that MAC lightly throwing the gun at a rotted wood stump, or the thing hitting the soft, leaf covered ground was enough to break it off.
>>28075620
Not even. A glancing blow directly to the underside caused the damn Mag release to break off. MAC would have said something when he picked it up and it was broke prior to that.
It was the way it hit direct on the mag release on the last plate.
Oh, sorry. Am I getting in the way of your Circle Jerk? MY BAD. I GUESS I AM JUST BUSY DAMAGE CONTROLING.
Jebus.
>>28075620
>lightly tossing
Lol dude I'm not defending the VP9 but call it what it is, man. He chucked that shit pretty hard.
The most telling part for me was not the damage to the frame and other parts but the fact that it wouldn't function with a little mud. It was really pathetic. That striker channel all exposed like that is a really retarded design. HK makes my favorite firearms of all time, but they have been getting worse and worse.
>>28075649
your gun sucks, bruv. just admit it.
>>28076561
Dont even own one. Im a sig guy.
Its called calling a spade a spade. Shitty trolls r best trolls.
The only test that he did that meant anything was the grit causing a full stop. Thats just not cool there.
>>28076619
Just look at the thin shitty plastic on that paddle versus a usp, it's a huge design flaw even compared to that.
There is no way this gun would pass a military trial.
>>28076662
Its not a trial gun though.
The Colt Rail Gun cracked and still was accepted. The M9 was/is shit and was accepted.
Its a CC gun. Not a military gun. I am sure if you wing a glock at a steel plate and it hits just right, it will break.
I have broken 2 glocks, that doesnt mean that its a bad gun.
Meme hate is hilarious. OH MAC DID IT, SO ITS BAD!LOLOL.
MAC also cried that the KSG caused shells to hit his skin when they ejected... :( I GOT A BUMP FROM A PLASTIC SHELL.
>>28075567
>>28075567
>>gets wet
>>won't fire
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
so so delicious
Vp9guy, comment?
>>28075576
Why do people buy plastic pistols. It just doesn't make sense
>>28075649
>Oh, sorry. Am I getting in the way of your Circle Jerk? MY BAD. I GUESS I AM JUST BUSY DAMAGE CONTROLING.
b b but VP9 god tier
>>28075556
My buddy who gives me shit about carrying my 1911 got one. I sent him this video and now he is tublerette levels of triggered.
Moral of the story, just get a 1911, or a Glock or a walther. Or a sig. Or a gun that's made by HK that isn't a piece of shit.
>>28075470
>hurr durr hk fags in damage control
I think not, I have a VP9 but I also have money to buy other HK handguns that aren't 600, the vp9 is one of the cheapest HKs made but its so funny to watch all these poorfags try to shit on HK because they can't own one
>>28075470
trying to replicate shit usually makes shit
at least hk still has good usp's
>>28077363
money isn't the issue here m8, the gun fucking failed because it got wet... holy shitballs
>>28076696
You broke not one... But two glocks and have the gall to call them good? Sweet baby Jesus, china UST be the highest quality exporter of tools, steel and plastic toys now
>>28077249
Because, unless you make the mag walls paper thin, they are lighter and just as good as metal framed.
>>28077719
Dude. ALL MECHANICAL DEVICES CAN FAIL.
One was entirely my fault and a cracked locking block.
The other was a legit failure of my G17 Gen 2, with at or more than 40,000 rounds through it. For some reason, the slide just straight up cracked. Never really figured out why.
I figure the round count is pretty ok... So yeah... Shit breaks. BFD.
>>28076463
>HK makes my favorite firearms of all time, but they have been getting worse and worse.
US production (P2000/SK, VP9/40) models a shit. P30/SK got it back on track
So what's the best ambi polymer gun in 9mm.
I need a compact on for ccw and it seems hard to not just default to a g19
>>28079195
USP Compact or FNS
>>28078613
I'd like to see this same test on a P30. Wonder if the external hammer would help.
>>28079195
Don't discount the P30 either. Some don't think the de-cocker is ambi but it's more ambi than Sig's... also comes in S variants, LEM variants, and SK, etc.
>>28081126
Ah you're right. I mentioned the FNS thinking he was looking for striker fired guns (don't know how the USPc got mentioned, but I probably did it on principle)
The P30 style decocker by the hammer is really, REALLY well thought out in my opinion. Let's you decock while 'side-thumbing' the hammer for a more quiet drop
>>28075470
I like hk but this is just inexcusable, glad I did not pick this up.
Gonna get a p2000 instead
>>28078613
Since when are p2000s US made?
I thought only the HK45 (some of them) were us made?
>>28081535
May have misspoke/neglected the difference between manufacturing and assembling. Maybe only the HK45 is manufactured in the US, while the parts for some other models are manufactured elsewhere and ASSEMBLED in the US.
>>28081535
I guess the only question is whether or not they're Ulm proofmarked?
Wish I didn't have to second guess any HK purchase, though the VP9 is undoubtedly the most casual of them all
>>28080712
SO MUCH THIS
>>28075470
>VP9 faggots on suicide watch
shit's allergic to water
>>28076463
>the fact that it wouldn't function with a little mud.
This guy crammed about twice as much dirt into a VP9 and in more places on an open slide multiple times and it functioned just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghidy-kCR9E
VP9 is fine. This is one gun in one video. There's a reason for why, when the military tests guns, they test multiple guns at a time. Single samples mean virtually nothing when gathering empiric data.
>>28083362
>assblasted
shit I knew I shouldn't have impulse bought my VP9, welp time to sell it and buy a Sig P320 like I originally wanted to :(
>mfw btfo
>>28083362
I think it has less to do with sample size and more to do with all of the variables. One tiny clot of dirt can jam any firearm on the planet if you put it in the right place. Moisture levels, lube used, variables in the metal, springs, polymer recipe (meaning mixture with dye can affect its strength even to a small degree), the tooling on the machine (maybe it was the end of the day and the cutting portions of the tools were worn, I worked in a machine shop and saw what stainless steel can do to CNC tooling).
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Even in mass production, every firearm is unique to itself.
>>28081126
I hate the sig decocker on the 229 and stuff.
Gets in the way of my trigger finger.
I am glad to see that ambi controls are becoming more common on pistols though.
>>28083282
Yeah mainly because it seemed like the first problem was the striker channel which I understand isn't a problem for hammer-fired designs. Or rather that they're more tolerant of crap getting into the firing pin channel.
>>28083362
Hey man, all that salt can be bad for you.
>>28075470
These aren't design flaws, jamming from just a grain of sand is an anti-terrorism feature.
>>28079195
PPQ is pretty solid and can shoot after being dunked in water.
>>28083947
Yeah, pretty solid alright.
>>28083947
kek
In this video, it's the only one that failed after being dunked in water. The Taurus PT92, CZ P07, and Beretta PX4 had no issues.
https://youtu.be/Po-k84m2kM8?t=47
>>28083965
it's the only one that had a failure to fire on the first shot but otherwise ran well
the others fired on the first shot but then had cycling problems afterward
one of the guys even says he was impressed with it even with the problems of the first shot
>>28083965
>>28075470
is the whole "striker fired pistols are more reliable" thing just a meme?
>>28083988
Your post is a meme.
>>28083981
I don't know if you watched the same video I did, but it's the only one that failed to fire. The CZ and PX4 failed to lock open, but that's not as severe as other things.
Unless you're referring to the mud test, which was nobody was referring to.
>>28083988
It is in my opinion. Hammer-fired pistols have a looser fit in the firing pin channel that's more tolerant of gunk getting in there. But really when are you going to actually run into that in practical usage? So for practical purposes they are about the same but when we're talking stupid unrealistic torture tests then my opinion is that hammer-fired is more reliable, at least in general.
>>28084007
to be honest I skipped to the "final thoughts" section because I didn't actually give a shit to watch the whole video
>>28083988
>>28084012
Also, the VP9's striker channel is way more exposed than the Glock. That stupid red indicator means more exposure to the elements where Glocks, M&Ps, etc. are more closed off.
I'm a glock guy. they just work. but I think the ethos of the test in OPs video is interesting.
VP stands for volkspistole right? peoples pistol, as in civilians.
With that in mind, saying it wouldn't stand the rigors of military testing seems out of scope for the firearm's intended use.
Also with the nomenclature in mind, I imagine HK made the springs just strong enough to get the slide into battery and to cock the striker so it would be more female friendly. The number 1 complaint that I hear over and over and over again from women shooters is that they seldom have the hand strength to adequately and reliably rack full size semi-autos. Their ease of racking the slide often overrides other considerations when purchasing a gun.
It certainly seemed like the springs were weak (the water test with the striker failure), and the inability to get the slide into battery with minor debris. I think the female question could be the reason for the light springs, but it could be other things.
The trigger reset being so easily stopped by minor debris was immensely revealing. the trigger group looked a little tight.
I expected the flaps to break. They're plastic. They're replaceable, no biggie.
The mag release breaking was really interesting. I prefer buttons anyway, but they could have at least made this part metal and designed so that both sides are connected underneath the trigger guard by a flat section that lays flush under the trigger guard. It would have made it much stronger.
I was on the fence about this gun. Everyone was saying, "oh it's like a glock that fits your hand like a dream". Sounded like a cool addition to my carry rotation.
I'm not so sure now.
>>28084015
So you just shitpost just to get rekt because you don't even look at what you post?
are there any p320 tests like this? I can only find Carnikcon's video
>>28078414
>For some reason, the slide just straight up cracked. Never really figured out why
That's the part where the rail was cut out of the slide on the inside.
The metal left there is wafer thin, it's surprising more Glocks don't crack there.
>>28085794
YEah, I know why. But not why why.
Its an extremely low stress spot so it still doesnt make sense.
>>28085817
>Its an extremely low stress spot
I don't know about that though.
