short of technical difficulties ,can an Abrams ever be taken out in combat? 10 years of iraq yielded fucking nothing you compare that to only afew years of syria in which the whole stock of soviet junkers have almost completely been wiped out
fuck even the MRAP has a completely clean track record
>>28014797
>fuck even the MRAP has a completely clean track record
fighting against street glorified third world street urchins is different than fighting even a somewhat well supplied military
Abrams is nice, no tank is undeadable.
>>28014797
Along with gun control threads these and f35 threads need to be banned. Also the MRAP's track record is far from clean, pic related.
Tanks without some kind of advanced armor are basically just glorified WW2 era tanks.
>>28014797
No, a 10 kiloton nuclear blast will literally make it stronger.
>>28014797
The US lost a few in Iraq and several Saudi Abrams have been lost due to incompetence. They are not invincible, but they are still great tanks, with superb crew survivability in case of penetration.
>>28014797
American SF kept the Abrams safe for an entire decade. Destroying weapon caches does wonders.
Now the mask has fallen and the entire world has seen how crappy the Abrams is.
Not as good as a challenger 2 but still a good tank.
>>28014842
Your Pic is full of shit anon
>draw out MRAP into hilly terrain
In the middle of a city? HA! In the middle of combat zone? MRAP crews are specifically trained to avoid such areas
>lead MRAP into alley, close off street with something on fire.
Exactly what are you going to use to block the path of a 22 ton vehicle that could easily just run though it?
>round the nuts on the wheel so it has no corners, this makes the wheel unserviceable.
To case hardened steel? Good fucking luck. Plus that would only make the lug nuts unserviceable not the whole fucking wheel.
>you should be able to remove the caliper and the brake pads from the inside.
The Very specific Wheel diameter makes this 100% completely impossible to even the smallest degree.
>Drain the oil
Good luck getting to the oil drain without removing the fuck heavy armored skid plate first.
>MRAP's track record is far from clean, pic related.
That Picture was taken in Iraq back in 2008 I believe. My platoon Sgt knew the crew in that MRAP. Everyone came out alive with mostly minor injuries.
>>28014797
Its gonna be the new Patton and will be used by everybody and their brother.
>>28015117
>webm of retarded Saudi's and blow out panels working
here is your reply
>>28014797
>short of technical difficulties ,can an Abrams ever be taken out in combat?
You shouldn't play so many videogames, kiddo.
>>28015117
and not a single soldier was hurt that day
>>28015673
>>28015865
They just lost a +8 million tank to a bunch of untrained idiots handling some ghetto and cheap TOWs, and I don't believe that the crew was unharmed until I see proof.
Abram needs active protection system.
Muh undeadable Abrams!
>>28016305
It's a monkey one though, not to mention kebab operators.
Anyways,
>>28014827 is the essential /thread
>>28016305
Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq all operate Abrams.
If you see an exploding Abrams, it's likely to be one of those countries, being that the US hasn't conducted large scale ground operations in the region since 2011.
>>28016354
Merkava with trophy would have survived that.
Abram M1A3 needs a lot of improvements, it is far from perfect.
>>28016373
see: >>28016379
>>28016379
Merkava with trophy doesn't sit out in the open, in the middle of nowhere no less and without any infrantry support. Again kebab can't into tanks
>>28016305
>wrong price
>thinking Saudi tankers are trained
>thinking Houthi are untrained
>webm is proofs the crew was alive
>>28016379
Total Merkava built: 2,270
Total Abrams built: 10,000
Quantity has a quality all its own
>>28016430
I find it hilarious when slavboos use their damage control meme's to try and shit on western tanks.
>>28016420
Merkavas have had to extensively use their APS on numerous occasions in past wars.
The Abram would have gotten destroyed in nearly everyone of those scenarios. It is just not that great of a tank that /k/ hypes it up to be. Abram is not the F-22 of tanks, not even close.
Plenty of Abrams (and Abrams crews) got fucked up in Iraq/Afghanistan. The US military just goes "Hurr durr the frame is repairable so that means the tank wasn't killed" despite the fact that the tank was a flaming wreck and the crew was turned into a bloody paste.
>>28014797
Abrahms got rekt in Iraq, so badly that it had to have armor upgrades to prevent it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvoaD6Vnkg
>>28016505
Yeah man, those old ass Abrams are still relevant.
>>28016454
Why dosen't the US hurry up and start putting APS on their tanks and IFVs? The trophy is now combat proven, and the Russians have been doing this for decades.
Are planners just convinced that the chobam armor is completely undeadable?
>>28016454
>Merkavas have had to extensively use their APS on numerous occasions in past wars.
All on Gaza strip last year, and the two that we have videos of would not have resulted in the destruction of a TUSK equipped Abrams.
>It is just not that great of a tank that /k/ hypes it up to be.
Except it is, and that is what irritates you.
>Abram is not the F-22 of tanks, not even close.
Only retards claim this, as no tank is an 'F-22 of tanks'.
>>28016454
>numerous occasions
>The Abram would have gotten destroyed in nearly everyone of those scenarios
I'm sure you can deliver some actual proof? Not that I'm against trophy or anything.
I've seen like one liveleak video of a Merkava APS in action.
"in nearly all of these scenarios" suggests you have seen all of these.
And again, literally all of these webms in the past, have been
>monkey shit
>operated by kebab
>literally out in the open
Not to mention that several of these either showed working blow out panels or kebab most likely not closing the storage door.
Only idiots act like tanks can't blow up, no one said the Abrams doesn't. It is however combat proven and apparently well liked across the board.
>>28016532
>10 years of iraq yielded fucking nothing
Yeah, for this conversation they are
>afew years of syria in which the whole stock of soviet junkers have almost completely been wiped out
These are much older than those old ass Abrahams
>>28016542
No tank in Russian service uses a hard kill APS.
>>28016532
if you don't understand what mistake he is making you shouldn't bite the bait
>>28016636
I thought we're talking Abrams in general, in which case it's rather obvious that Iraq's Abrams are not relevant to modern times.
>>28016542
APS is pretty much entirely a COIN feature on tanks
a good tank driver won't get his ass hit from the side or back
america's decided using drones is easier and cheaper than spending money to send multimillion dollar tanks into a sand farmer village where tanks aren't supposed to go
>>28014797
>>28014797
>>28014797
>mobility kill
engine has very little protection, like any tank
tracks and roadwheels are impossible to protect from anti-tank weapons
>firepower kill
penetration at ammo bustle
damage to gun
damage to turret hydraulics
>total kill
top-down attack from missile
cluster bombs and artillery shells, may cause extensive damage
direct hit from regular artillery WILL destroy any tank
also every penetration brings risk of crewmen getting wounded or killed
Abrams may be more resistant than any other tank fielded, but it's far from indestuctible
>>28014797
You can still mission kill it pretty easily, which is all you honestly care about in a real combat situation.
>>28017878
so easy it has never fucking happened
>>28015405
i agree with you but
>MRAP's track record is far from clean, pic related.
That Picture was taken in Iraq back in 2008 I believe. My platoon Sgt knew the crew in that MRAP. Everyone came out alive with mostly minor injuries.
>police/rescue in iraq ??
>>28016542
costs
There's no need to put APS on tanks, because no pottential enemies have weapon system effective enough to warrant use of APS costs-effective.
Also second you make APS standard-issue, any competent enemy will come out with counter, which most likely will be cheaper than system itself, like UV strobe on new TOW-2
>>28017894
What? There are plenty of accounts of Abrams getting knocked out of action in desert storm, mainly due to friendly fire, as well as in Iraq during the invasion and insurgency. The Abrams has top-tier crew survivability, but in an honest to goodness combat situation where you're looking to get armor off you ass, it is by no means invincible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams
>>28016505
isn't like 90% of abrams actually rekt by sandniggers are via buried shell ieds?
Abrams crewman here. Half the comments in here are bait or bias. Almost triggered me.
>>28017956
fuck off
>>28017956
>metal casket crewman here
enjoy your firely death
>>28017607
Destroyed by friendly force after mobility kill
>hit from recoiless gun sets engine on fire AND disables fire extinguishers
>Marines decide to scuttle it
>spread ammunition inside, fire 2 MPATs into turret side and rear
>after fire dies out, tank turns out to be still not enough destroyed to abondon it
>call airstike, hit it with Maverick. Then call for another Maverick.
>finaly destroyed enough
>>28017950
if your IED doesn't work, all you need is bigger IED
>>28017981
Considering how the Abrams is near the pinnacle of crew survivability, I am not worried at all. Implying we ever send the tanks anywhere anyway.
>>28017993
>>finaly destroyed enough
Why though? Couldn't they just hang around until a M88 shows up?
>>28018098
>pinnacle of crew survivability
I think you're confusing the Abrams with the Merkava
>>28018123
merk is not even a tank it's a glorified ifv
>>28017950
Not really, "destroyed" is an extremely relative word.
Enter Iraq in late 2000s. Tanks are rolling out to conduct operations. After leaving the FOB tank's engine catches fire to a faulty fuel line. 1st shot of fire extinguisher engaged. 2nd shot engaged, fire is too late into being able to be put out. The tank is burnt to the ground. Its 88'd back to the FOB and after a month of parts being brought in its returned to being FMC.
Point being, nearly all of these "destroyed" tanks are brought back into service again later. Few countries have the logistical capability to do that. Maybe Russia if it cannibalizes half its tank force.
>>28018123
when the Merkava is done being a 5th or 6th rate tank please get back to me on that one, the abrams still outclasses it. Even the challenger and leopard. Arguably the AMX Leclerc too But who cares about arguing semantics of how a baguette is better than jew bread. They each got their pros and cons, nothing is really impressive at all about the Merkava.
>>28014797
u wot
>>28018164
Isn't it the best tank for fighting asymmetrical forces?
It wasn't designed for the Fulda gap but that doesn't make it a bad tank.
>>28018178
>>28014797
>10 years of iraq yielded fucking nothing
Holy fuck the wilful ignorance of this
>>28015405
>>draw out MRAP into hilly terrain
>In the middle of a city? HA! In the middle of combat zone?
Fun fact about pocket sand: pour a little on the ground, it forms a little pile, have the entire brigade pour a little pocketsand on your pile and BOOM, have tactical pocket hill.
>>28018182
>>28018111
It was in 2003 and whole division was on move. They probably decided hauling it all way back is not worth it.
>>28018196
nice. You can see blow-out pannel flying off
>>28014797
>10 years of iraq yielded fucking nothing you compare that to only afew years of syria in which the whole stock of soviet junkers have almost completely been wiped out
Well the situation in Syria is a litle bit different. You basically have Suadiarabia, the US etc handing out TOW's to every snackbar in country. If the slavs, chinese etc did the same thing to the insurgents in Iraq the situation for the abrams would be different to.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20f_1448376623
>made in the US
>Serial number 208520
If you had another state that pumped in an unlimited how
>>28014797
The abrams is one of the best tanks in the world. Shares that position with the leo2. Neither of them are really better per se, though they each have things that are better than the equivalent on the other. Management systems are better on the abrams, probably the main thing that stands out on the abrams, it's a dream for any commander.
>>28016305
>They just lost a +8 million tank to a bunch of untrained idiots handling some ghetto and cheap TOWs
They are arabs man, every one is an untrained idiot.
Its not about training its about asking allah hard enough. Because allah will make up for lack of aiming.
>>28018335
you are the idiot for training instead of asking allah hard enough
>>28016305
>>28018335
>Untrained
This myth needs to stop
>>28018435
But its not a myth. They have sucked at fighting like idiots since what... 8000 BC?
>>28018323
>If the slavs, chinese etc did the same thing to the insurgents in Iraq
they did, though on much lesser scale, since they had to use Syria, Jordan and Iran as proxies.
Those RPG-29s in rebel's hands are in no small part ones sent to Iraq to shoot American armor
>>28018465
>proxies.
Yeah, its a lot easier when you can just do it openly.
>hurr durr where are all these toyotas coming from
>>28018134
>glorified ifv
Explain what's so different about it from other MBTs that makes it one.
>>28018435
>This myth needs to stop
Ok the SAA is decent.
But then again the alawites are not arabs but their enemies are.
>>28018475
>>hurr durr where are all these toyotas coming from
I'm so high that I was typing out this joke before noticing you'd already made it. Also, too high to comment on the pictured Ford not being a Toyota.
>>28018481
it carries troops as the main function
>>28018490
You couldn't be more wrong.
>>28018497
look i use something as my name on a thai swinger board and now im a subject matter expert
BTFO
T
F
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Anti-western tank plebs fuck off
>>28018444
You don't smuggle RPG-29's from eastern Europe with channelled Saudi funds and organize a flanking attack on a main battle tank in the field through radio communication through multiple teams by being "untrained".
Why do Americans think that their technology is invincible?
Its just a fucking tank guys, if its fighting forces armed with comparable weaponry and not 40 year old Soviet export model knock-offs with poor maintenance, or getting shot at by modern weaponry, not left over stocks from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, you're going to lose some of them. This is ok, its perfectly normal.
There's no need to think its some sort of amazing unkillable machine just because some undisciplined Arabs cant effectively kill it.
So is there a clear answer as to whether or not the export Abrams have the DU armor?
>>28018584
I haven´t seen one so far. A thread about it will just descend into autists crying about each others tanks.
>>28018584
>export Abrams have the DU armor?
No, absolutely not, forbidden. They get basic composite, nothing of Chobham level. They also get tungsten penetration ammunition (KEW-I/II), not DU penetrators (APFSDS-T).
Comms systems differ, some of the equipment is not allowed to be exported, so export models have more off the shelf comms. Night vision is lower grade than US tanks. Drive systems are near exactly similar, nothing revolutionary there.
>>28016542
>Why dosen't the US hurry up and start putting APS on their tanks and IFVs?
Because US procurement system is fucked. Ground forces were supposed to be upgraded via Future Combat System. But this boondoggle died and ruin everything it touched including APS.
>>28018137
>After leaving the FOB tank's engine catches fire to a faulty fuel line. 1st shot of fire extinguisher engaged. 2nd shot engaged, fire is too late into being able to be put out.
Useless fire extinguisher system. Nice. Confirms line here:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a191166.pdf
Fire in abrams engine compartment = catastrophic kill.
>>28014797
freedumb
>>28015673
>>28015865
>MUH BLEW UP PANESL!
>>28018776
They work as intended here.
>>28018756
>>28018776
>not understanding the difference between Iraqi M1A1M’s and American M1A2s.
None of these tanks getting posted have decent armor, they're all export model.
>>28018776
Fucking idiot Arab climbs out when it's far safer to remain inside till the bustle stops burning.
That tanks still fully functional, but its turret ammo is gone.
>>28018954
>Implying DU is some magical compound that makes Abrams undeadable
It's at most another 600mm of RHA
>>28018568
People on /k/ are unbelievably jingoistic.
There are people here who honestly that the US Coast guard could defeat China and retake the SCS in less than a week with minor causalities. You can't reason against this sort of retardation.
>>28019472
Honestly when one side has fairly good ships and the other the equivalent of a ironclad whose armor is more oxygen than iron...
>>28018954
There is currently no proper evidence that their non-DU composite armor package is less good than the DU one used by the US in the early 1990s.
>>28016469
Exactly Abrams tanks don't get destroyed, they get disabled. Also, nobody was supplying the Iraqi resistance with TOW's and RPG-29's. All they had where RPG-7's probably not even with tandem warheads and improvised IED's.
>>28019603
>nobody was supplying the Iraqi resistance with TOW's and RPG-29'
Except they are records of M1 tanks damaged by RPG-29, as well as Metis, Konkurs and Milan anti-tank missiles.
Also reports on Iraqis obtaining some Kornets through Iran and Jordan, but as far as I know, there's no report of them beign used aganist Abrams.
this guy right here is right
>>28015070
a 10kt nuclear blast will enrich abrams depleted uranium to weapons grade uranian, thus rendenring the abrams a super weapon in the nazi sense of the word
>>28019578
>>28018972
Sure, they just dont export it because its not very good and they don't want anyone knowing amirite?
>>28019676
It also rips off all the applique plating, the spaced armor and takes the optics with it.
Trust me, you dont want someone to lob a nuke near your tank, no matter how well the crew inside are protected.
>>28018954
>LE MONKEY MODEL
>>28019718
Western armour has been heavily focused on defeating HEAT rounds for a long time but KE penetrators have started overtaking HEAT rounds in effectiveness. so to buff up the abrams armour, they inserted DU wire mats into spaces that formerly were spaced Armour. due to DU's hardness and density it is effective at blocking KE rounds while only marginally effective against HEAT.
There are many different types of armours used on modern tanks these include,
- Ceramic plates used mainly in the British and American tanks effective against HEAT
- Perforated armour, basically steel with a bunch of holes on it 50% the mass with 70% the strength. used primarily as the core for most composite armours particularly the German stuff
- Composites, alternating layers of these materials basically. used in all modern tanks, first occurrence was i think fiberglass being put into russian tanks ages ago in there former spaced armour.
-Spaced armour, again used by everyone extremely effective against HEAT with little mass
- Strike plates these are extremely hard plates on the skin of most tanks, partically russian. designed with sloped armour to shatter KE rounds.
- Passive reactive armour, is used extremely heavily in russian tanks as part of the internal composite armour.
- Explosive reactive armour, common on chinese and russian tanks, lightweight method for defeating HEAT.
- Then you have the DU matts that are used in the american systems, designed to stop KE rounds due to the extreme hardness of DU.
And now that is the basic forms of armour found on ALL modern tanks
>>28014797
>can an Abrams ever be taken out in combat?
nice b8
>>28017908
He's talking about the destroyed vehicle
>>28014797
A bunch of Saudi Abrams have been blown up over the past few months by the Houthis.
>>28020088
but they're export models.
>>28020108
>muh monkey models
>muh untrained arabs
Sounds awfully like what vatniks say about Saddam's T-72
>>28018483
but turks aren't arabs either :^)
>>28018123
>I think you're confusing the Abrams with the Merkava
>all these ammo bins in the crew compartment with no blowout panels
>>28020088
So lets get real here, while muh DU armor of course is going to help, that's only in the front. Most of these videos are of Abrams getting rekt by AT missiles are getting hit from the side or top. Unless Abrams are going to get explosive reactive armor all over the turret, or a active protection system you won't see much difference.
>>28020120
Yes he is using a vatniks argument against them.
The irony being Saddam's T-72s were not actually downgraded models though.
Vatniks were retarded in using that to defend its performance instead of the real issue of arab crews.
>>28020185
ERA mounts on the turret sides has existed since TUSK was created, but was not widely implemented because adding the mounts to the turret on tanks already in Iraq was a lot more than simply switching out the skirts.
It is being made a standard feature for the current upgrade in the works.
>>28018196
>posting a screencap of a captured tank packed with explosives
>>28020177
They actually do have blowout panels.They are not as effective because the racks aren't sealed, though.
>>28018508
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>28020227
Note that your picture is an Abrams.
>>28018568
>Why do Americans think that their technology is invincible?
Said no one.
What you should be asking is why do non-Americans go insane when their shitposting of American vehicles gets countered with calm factual arguments?
>>28020247
thats quite obviously a merkava mate.
>>28019472
>There are people here who honestly that the US Coast guard could defeat China
Things that were never said.
>>28014842
The exploded mrap looks like its in decent condition after hitting an IED. Better then a fucking humvee
>>28020262
Post a picture of a Merkava with a raised rear deck.
>>28020260
Said the OP.
>>28020219
You're right about the sides on Tusk, which on the topic, does anyone know why the panels are curved and have su much space between layers? It's a departure from the style of ERA plates on the T-90 and the Type-99 which have a far more uniform surface, even if they have space in between the ERA block and actual armor.
>>28018178
at least the one got out. Even with it being engulfed in flames thats not bad
>>28016660
Are you entirely retarded? They were the first ones to field hard kill systems. Drozd was even used in the Afghan war.
Even with a low interception probability, I'd much rather have 1970's Soviet APS than none at all.
>>28020292
The curved style ERA tiles are for kinetic penetrators.
>>28020346
>Are you entirely retarded?
Given your lack of knowledge of Russian service vehicles, I would ask that of you.
If the USA wanted, it could build the best tank the world has ever seen. Like a 5th gen aircraft, but the tank equivalent.
But that's retarded. It is much better to have thousands of really good tanks with properly trained crews, rather than a hundred amazing tanks. The USA has a lot of really good tanks, it's the best armor force in the world.
>>28020279
>>28020389
I said post a raised rear deck.
informative thread, some good banter
learned some stuff
I rate it 6/10
>>28020434
Only thing I learned is that Abram is a mediocre tank with no active protection system.
Abram can be disabled by any run of the mill TOWs that you can find at every street corner in Syria right now.
Merkava with its active protection system would actually survive and continue chugging along. A vastly superior tank.
Hopefully Israel can lend America a hand in designing an active protection system for the M1A3 Abram. Better yet, America could just buy the Merkavas.
>>28020483
dat blasted booty
>>28020483
jidf come here too?
the merkova's foreskin decapitator and collector is its only remarkable feature, mazzlotoff
>>28020541
>mazzlotoff
>not goldberg
>>28020507
>Being this butthurt that all it takes for an Abram to get disabled is getting hit by some cheap TOWs manned by some angry sand people
>Being assblasted that Merkava would survive nearly ever hit that would have wrecked the Abram
>>28020333
take closer look. Not even smoke comming from his uniform. There was no fire in crew compartment, he bailed out because he panicked.
>>28020591
dat blasted booty
>mfw someone who is actually aware of Trophy's inability to intercept more than one target at a time wrecks a Merkava
>>28020694
>inability to intercept more than one target at a time
Not that guy, but it's still much better than nothing.
Just saying.
>>28020748
When it is easily defeatable, the large amount of money spent on it could be better used for guaranteed defenses.
>>28020350
No, for EFP
>>28015673
>>28015865
That M1 is clearly a 100% loss, you can see that that both amo racks got detonated since there is fire coming out from the lower hull when the ATGM hit the side of the turret meaning that there was a fire spread into the crew compartment from the rear turret amo rack which should not actually happen.
If you want a WEBM with the blow out panels working as inteded then look here>>28018776>>28018178
The fire is only coming out from the turret rear area, not from the crew hatch or the hull side but from the blow out panels located on the turret.
>>28020769
Besides the fact that so far Trophy is doing pretty well, the Merk 4's passive armor is good too. They handled Kornets, RPG-29 and other AT threats pretty well in 2006.
>>28020769
like what?
another 50 tons of armor on every tank?
>>28020831
one thing worth noting is that fire coming from hull is simply too big for hull rack going off, which implies either ammo bay was open all the time (it shuts off automatically), or crew was carrying number of loose rounds in hull.
More than few US Abrams tanks suffered internal ammo explosion, but fire was small enough for crew to abondon vehicle with non-life threatening burns
>>28020831
>>28021279
>since there is fire coming out from the lower hull
Don't see it.
>>28015673
>blow out panels
You're a fucking retard if you think those were blow out panels. More delusional than a vatnik.
>>28021279
>>28021341
There are alot of strange things the people in the middle east do.
>>28020483
Check top speeds, faggot. Armored warfare is about mobility- not oppressing Palestinians.
>>28021449
Notice how all of the flames are on the trajectory of the pyrotechnic show coming out of the blowout panels.
>>28021387
>>28021387
You are probably not even aware the missile hit the rear of the turret.
>this entire thread is filled with butthurt amerikeks who cant accept the fact that the abrams is a shit
>>28021622
>this entire thread is filled with a butthurt bagel who cant accept the fact that the merkava is a shit
fixed
How would the abrams far against NBC weapons, since it doesn't have an autoloader?
>>28021341
In other thread someone posted picture of this tank after it was recovered by Saudis, and you could clearly see marks left by flame coming out of driver's hatch.
Wish I saved it, can't find it in google
>>28021583
Meaning that there was a fire spread inside the tank from the turret into the hull. Either the crew had the loaders armord door open or it failed due to reasons, but which one is more probable? The crew had it open.
Does this mean that the vehicle is somehow shit? No.
Does it mean that any vehicle will die when used in a shitty way? Yes
>>28021754
>what is over preasure
All modern tanks will do fine.
>>28021767
That was a separate tank, it had a dirt berm in front of it.
>>28021814
It is plausible that they kept the door open, but what is observable in the video is burning material fell back down on the front of the tank, and is being mistook for flames coming out of the vehicle.
>>28021907
>>28021895
>>28021891
Anon, we can all watch the video, you are not proving anything.
>>28021916
Are you blind or delusional?
>>28021929
I could ask you the same.
>>28021929
Your screencaps do not show flames coming out of the drivers hatch.
>even the MRAP
LOL
You haven't seen any IED wrecks on FOBs
>>28021949
Where did I say anything about drivers hatch? The fire is coming from the hull right side where the hull rack is placed.
>>28019871
>- Ceramic plates used mainly in the British and American tanks effective against HEAT
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41180
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41180&p=1203758
>>28022236
A bunch of walts wanking over their pwn speculation < Official statements
Never post again
>>28022323
>Official statements
>>28015203
LMAOing at your post
Why didn't the russians use DU
Wouldn't they have just as much depleted uranium as the US?
>>28022623
Do you even Object 187 ?
>>28021754
2 NBC Systems, and in event both are offline the crew always has MOPP Gear in the Loadplan for each member at their station, including the driver.
>>28021622
All tanks are shit by /k/s standard, the Abrams is just slightly less shitty then the rest.
>>28021907
>>28021814
>>28021767
>>28021387
>>28021279
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7bOG2nD6k
Daily reminder that the Loader's and the TC's ammo door do work at blocking the affects of the cookoff. Its 2 inches of steel on rails, that both have locking mechanisms in place to secure them when not in use. (Or in the loaders instance, his is hydralically actuated).
Half these videos you can't tell if the ammo went and burned out the rest of the vehicle. But if they did its because they either conveniently weren't using the door, due to negligence, or fault. Or perhaps the missile managed to pen the side and take out the door, its all hypothetics are retarded to argue them.
TLDR The doors that cover the honeycomb are more than enough to save the tank.
>>28020483
>Abram
Its Abrams. The singular form of the word is Abrams. The guys name "Abrams" whom the tank is named after.
>>28022623
>>28022641
Too bad the ruskies were too poor to employ it instead of the T-90
>>28022323
>Western tanks armor is declassified
