Which one do I buy?
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Which one do I buy?
Easily the beretta.
People will disagree.
Easily the CZ.
People will not disagree.
Dont listen to this retard >>27949359
OP how did you take that picture
CZ
More affordable
Better looking
Huge aftermarket
>>27949351
Make a strawpoll on this and let us vote
Beretta
More affordable
Better looking
Huge aftermarket
>>27949392
As you wish.
I'm looking for the most reliable and durable pistol of the 2.
Accuracy is important as well.
http://strawpoll.me/6065644
>>27949452
Ugh a fucking tie
Can I admit something that I have never admitted before here /k/?
I think the CZ-75 is one of the sexiest handguns out there.
>>27949452
you really can't go wrong with either. I don't personally own a cz yet, but do have a beretta, and like it quite a bit.
Buy the one used by armed forces the world over, including all branches of the United States Armed Forces.
>hint: it's the one from a first-world country
>>27949351
When confronted with the same dilemma, I chose the CZ. It was slimmer in the hand, and I appreciated the trigger more than that of the 92. Were I looking for a similar pistol today, I would likely purchase a Canik, then send it off to Cajun Gun Works for trigger work, and end up with a superior result.
>>27949351
I'd pick Left, komrade, however whichever fits your hand best is what you really ought to get.
>>27949351
I can't honestly recommend a plain jane CZ-75 over a Beretta 92 in terms of personal use. However, if you were interested in something like SP-01 versus M9A1 it'd be another story.
>>27949351
Sphinx 3000
>>27949695
>CZ-75 and variants are more common than berettas
If that's how we're gonna play, then that's how we'll play I guess...
>>27949351
12-7 so far, Cz in the lead!
Oh that's a tough choice, which has the best stock trigger?
>>27949847
>which has the best stock trigger?
cz shit's on beretta. the 92 has a shit trigger pull stock with mile long takeup in sa.
>>27949351
CZ owner myself.
CZ is a fucking work of art, reliable as hell I'd say.
>>27949725
Go on...
>>27949351
> both are made in the US
> shitty M9 vs CZ 75
I would go with CZ, but if you get a good 92 variant, I would take the Beretta
>>27949794
Because no state entity wants them, therefore CZ's consumer base is strictly civilian.
>>27949351
CZ fan here. BUT. I'm not pretentious enough to decide for someone else.
The correct answer in threads like this is always "both", OP. Then you can decide for yourself which one you like better.
Then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself.
>>27950127
>Then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself.
Just where the fuck do you think you are?
>>27950122
You stupid fuck, it's the beretta nobody wants. Can you name a single fucking country besides America (and maybe Italy) that uses them?
Here, let me provide you with a list of countries that use the '75.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75
>>27949351
Both, at the very least try out both and see which one you shoot better, which one's controls you prefer, and other intangibles. You can look up stuff like common parts breakage, magazine costs, and overall price all day, but if it doesn't feel at least decent in your hand, you're not going to like it. Some people hate slide safeties, others think decocking a CZ 75 with a safety is a ND waiting to happen.
PS, if you do get the Beretta, it's not a bad idea to keep a spare locking block around, and be sure to inspect yours for cracks, especially when getting a used one.
browning hi power
>>27949452
>I'm looking for the most reliable and durable pistol of the 2.
Well the CZ75 doesn't have a locking block known to shear, a barrel known to crack, and a slide known to split, and an open top to gum up so it sounds like you have an easy answer
>>27949452
>>27949359
Hardy har har har
ive owned both and 3 other 9mm handguns
found myself never shooting the berreta so i sold it
cz was a staple for range days
hated the 92s trigger pull
it wasnt a bad (heavy or gritty) trigger pull but it felt like it broke somewhere in the magazine well
the other thing i disliked was the lack of a beveled magwell
>>27950280
>Well the CZ75 doesn't have a locking block known to shear,
They revised the design over 20 years ago, only reason you hear about that happen is with ancient beat to shit army M9s
>a barrel known to crack,
literally what
Beretta's barrels are CHF chrome-lined and I have never EVER heard of one cracking
>and a slide known to split,
Ironically p226 slides are more prone to slide cracks, Beretta's slides are pretty fucking good, and damn near indestructible if you have a brigadier slide
>and an open top to gum up
Wow it's like you literally have no idea how a Beretta works.
It's not like a 1911 that relies on a tight-fitting barrel bushing, the barrel is not supported by the slide short of the locking lugs and bolt face. No more of the functional parts of the action are exposed than say a Glock.
>>27950339
I have also owned both, also sold off my 92fs.
CZ is just a better gun overall.
>>27950141
>Just where the fuck do you think you are?
I think I'm in the Milky Way.
>>27949351
The one you like better. Personally, I love my Beretta.
>>27949351
Beretta for me, decocker-only of course.
>>27949351
If I had to choose one I'd probably take the beretta. They're both excellent so you can't really fuck the decision up.
that's my pic btw
>>27949351
Obviously the cz
>>27949964
92 might have a mile long takeup (fixed with aftermarket trigger), but it's got like zero creep.
CZs I've shot have all had pretty noticeable creep.
>>27950353
And it's dead sexy.
The only legitimate complaint I ever heard about the m9/92fs is that it's got a really big grip. If you have little hands, it can be tough to operate the safety.
>>27950434
only double action. in single action, that trigger pull is crisp.
>>27950479
>that trigger pull is crisp
Nah, CZ has tons of creep. Hence why I went with a cajun gun works hammer and sear in my 75b.
>>27950516
i was talking about the beretta.
>>27949351
P226
>>27950047
A little bit late, sorry. 92FS and CZ75 are both shitty relics of the 20th century. The SP-01 is an actually great handgun though. The M9A1 was included for comparison but it's basically a somewhat less shit 92. So if you want an older/cheaper handgun it's mostly personal preference instead of practicality.
>>27949351
Cz is a meme gun.
Beretta is army strong.
>>27950998
>92FS and CZ75 are both shitty relics of the 20th century.
Hey....fuck you.
Get the CZ, dumbass
>>27949351
Glorious CZ
I used to make CZ bait threads because /k hated them so much. You fags have ruined all my fun.
Has anyone owned an EAA Witness here? I'm interested in getting one in 10mm, and wanted to know people's opinions on them. From what I've heard they seem pretty nice, but anything Italian that's Italian and ain't food is a red flag for me.
>>27950516
You could rework that angle with a stone if you jig it up. I wouldn't reduce the angle too much, but it can safely be done. That said, I sold my CZ75.
>>27951255
would shoot that.
>>27949351
Bruh it honestly doesn't matter. Your biggest decision is whether you want cocked and locked or a decocker safety. Even then, CZ has a decocker.
CZ will be backed hard by the Czechnology fags, Beretta by the YOO ESS AYY fags. Then you've got the retards who say Beretta a shit because of the poorly maintained 50 year old service pistol they shot 100 times tops.
Personally, I recommend the 92, just because I like the open slide design aesthetically, and being able to quickly chamber a round through it without a magazine.
>>27951789
>Even then, CZ has a decocker.
CZ has a decocker model, I should say.
cz 75 easy
giant aftermarket for both guns, good service life for both guns, cheap mags for both guns; so it comes down to how they feel in your hand and what your plans are for the gun. 75s are easier and cheaper to turn into race guns, and with trips to the smith and a trigger job the 92 will stack rounds out to about 30 yards. Personally i like the 75 because after 25 feet or so i'm getting a rifle since my shaky hands can barely do 8 inch groups and the 75 lets me put rounds on target faster.
>>27949351
put them in a bad and pick one at at random because I couldn't decide
im serious
>>27949351
Yes. But if I had to pick one between them, it's the CZ-75.
>>27949351
similar situation, I ended up with the CZ just because it was slightly more special snowflake to me, at the time there weren't a lot of CZ owners, it was all glocks, sigs, berettas, ect so I wanted to feel different. They both more or less felt the same, shot the same, and were priced the same, I was just worried for some reason Id never find another CZ but I could get a beretta anytime.
Now times are different so id compare things like I did, and if youre really at a loss flip a coin
>>27951664
eaa witnesses are acceptable guns
10mm eaa witnesses crack
if you must have 10mm buy something else
>>27949351
> 2015
> not finding a way to buy both.
>>27952370
Really? Shit, I was really excited, but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Are you talking about the polymer or also the steel frame?
>>27949351
>Buy a Hi-Power clone instead of a Hi-Power
When will this meme end?
Left hand unless you want a shitty slide mounted safety.
>>27949351
I leaned toward the CZ because the grip was slightly thinner, and it felt/aimed/everything right in my hand(s).
>>27949983
92fs owner here I feel the same way about my Beretta.
>>27950183
Plenty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_92
>>27950299
>http://strawpoll.me/6065644
>>27952768
>>27950183
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
see >>27952666
also, respect for trips
>>27949351
As much as I love the M9/92 and want one for myself, I'd have to go with CZ between those two.
My edc is a Sig P239 and I can get the de-cocker only version of the CZ, I can't do that with the Beretta.
I don't want to buy an M9/92 and have to send it out for a F to G conversion. Fuck you Beretta for not giving us the 92G anymore.
Owned both
Only a fucking hipster or nogunz would pick the CZ75 over a 92FS.
The whole adopted by a gorillion countries is because there was no patent protection back when Czechsolvakia was part of the Warsaw Pack. its much cheaper to literally copy a good pistol than to design a new one or pay licensing fees to make a domestic copy of other western 9mm designs.
>>27953274
Beretta has a decocker only 92 the 92G.
>>27950280
The CZ 75 literally has an estimated fracture rate of one slide catch every 7,000 rounds.
The slide catch absorbs the recoil after every shot. This is an inherent design flaw with the gun and I get my info from someone who live in the czech republic and specifically collects CZs.
It's not a bad gun, but please don't shit talk the beretta as if your CZ is perfect because you're too blue pilled about it's inherent flaws.
>>27953365
Hard to find the standard 92G and I'd rather have it in my hands before I buy than pay someone on gunbroker and perhaps run into any issues.
Also, I'd prefer the A1 style frame and the 92G-SD is stupid fucking expensive.
>>27953403
Shut the fuck up. Your Beretta sucks.
Every fucking gun sucks.
>>27953498
You sound mad.
>>27953498
>>27953465
You do know still makes new plane jane 92g's.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_52/products_id/718001923/BERETTA+J92G300M+92G+9MM+3DOT+2-15RD
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/92-g/
>>27953547
I know, I want the A1 style frame like I said. They charge well over $1k for them. Stupid expensive.
>>27953509
Not mad at all. Berettas suck. Glocks suck. HK sucks. Sigs suck. CZs suck. S&Ws suck. They all fucking suck so get over it.
I mean if you just want to argue over which gun sucks less, be my guest. They all have issues. They are all mechanical objects that can and will fail. They all have their weaknesses. They all suck. So pick the one you think sucks less for one reason or another and admit to yourself that your gun sucks.
>>27953587
I read that wrong it seems, thought you wanted the better looking one that costs about $650.
>>27953604
I'll agree that it is better looking, but I want to be able to put a light on a full sized gun.
>>27952666
There is literally nothing wrong with the 92's slide mounted safety.
>>27953630
No, but there is something wrong with a safety on a DA/SA defensive handgun imo and ymmv
>>27953635
dont you know how easy it is to convert it into a decocker only?
>>27953602
92fs looks best (my opinion) best trigger compared to fnx, glock, xd, and some polyCZ (my opinion after trying some and settling on the 92fs) also I could easily use all of the controls unlike most of the others -the CZ.
>>27953654
Uhhh, you might want to go check on that because it's anything but easy.
>>27953656
Congratulations, you chose what you perceived as the gun that sucked the least for you. Enjoy your shitty gun.
>>27953680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPvQgTOFdZE
its really not that complicated
>>27953750
All that video showed was a disassembly and reassembly of a FS safety on a 92FS slide and then a G decocker on a 92G slide.
You cannot easily, without some legit smithing and tooling, convert the FS to a G.
>>27953805
1 remove the safety
2 drill hole on the bottom of the safety lever and install a small rod that protrudes about 2.5 to 3 mms should be just enough to keep it from actually clicking into safe but still enought to decock size it to your gun and either epoxy or weld it.
3 now when you hit it your gun will decock and when you let off the lever it will almost in fire position but as soon as the hammer moves back it will pop up into fire position.
4 profit?
CZ has better ergos and a lower bore axis.
>>27950402
is that yours?
>>27950418
>yuengling
10/10
>>27952389
this desu senpai
>>27949351
stupid czs with there dumb safety levers getting in the way of the slide stop
>>27953602
You... i like you.
>>27949452
CZ all the way
On top of being more durable (full steel frame and slide) its thinner than the chunky 92, and will hold up better in the long run. You'll probably never wear it out. The Beretta is good but CZ is better
>>27949695
Funny how U.S. troops from Marines to Army hate their M9's for jamming all the time because of the open top design allowing sand and dirt in the action.
>...mfw after 25 years; Beretta start' touting the open top as a positive design feature for debris to fall through.
>>27953403
What? They had issues with the slide catch cracking in earlier models but thats been fixed. You're collector buddy was probably talking about older models
I've never seen a newer slide catch crack, even with a metal guide rod installed, but CZ sends most of their newer factory guns with polymer guide rods because polymer flexes and absorbs the energy better to help the slide catch. A new CZ isnt going to have that problem, buy an SP01 or a shadow and dont look back OP
>>27950353
and there are still plenty of those 20 year old guns still in the US arsenal.
Shit, their are still M16A1 receivers still in circulation.
>>27951049
everybody in the army hates the M9 if they have any experience with handguns.
>>27953630
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Keep telling yourself that, but you're wrong.
>>27949351
Well, I'm actually a Glock and Smith and Wesson M&P fanboy but of all my metal pistols, my CZ RAMI 2075 is my favorite. I sold all of my 1911's to buy CZ 97B's...10 rounds standard and no gay grip safety.
>>27951664
Story I have heard is that if you get a good one, it runs well, but if you get a bad one, life is going to be hard. EAAs gunsmith back at least in the oughts when I was looking at getting a Tanfoglio is reputed to be an over suspicious cunt of a man, who will not fix your shit.
The higher end ones (elites, etc.) have a better reputation for reliability and durability.
>>27954091
Yeah
>>27949351
The choice is EZ -- get the CZ!
If you choose a Beretta, "You gonna regretta!"
>>27954949
>>27953587
If you don't need the trigger job, match barrel, or reinforced slide then get a plain 92G and add a Surefire MR11 rail to it.
>>27954550
>The source of jams were the DoD buying cheapshit rough parkerized Checkmate contract clone mags instead of factory Beretta mags with slick bluing
>USMC finally specified teflon-coated sandproof Beretta mags when they ordered their M9A1s
>still believing the open slide meme
>all these fucking CZ poorfags
>>27949351
Anything that isn't the Beretta...
the Beretta safety goes in the wrong direction, easy decision.
I owned a 92 Inox years ago, and whilst it was reliable, accurate and pretty? Its physically a large weapon, the safety location makes it easy to decock when you slingshot the slide, and it never really thrilled me. The CZ is not finished nearly as nicely, but I always shot it much better.
The CZ is the best steel frame 9mm made today as far as I'm concerned, if you don't mind the whole SA/DA/Decock format we can have a quasi-religious argument over SiG vs CZ though.
The CZ is a very rewarding gun to shoot, I find the SS variants to be beautiful and they're not terribly expensive.
>>27950127
>But I'm not pretentious enough...
Wow! Jokes on you, mom! Turns out you CAN suck your own dick! Guess I didn't need to let you do it for me, after all.
>>27955094
>the Beretta safety goes in the wrong direction, easy decision.
Decocker only Berettas are the way to go.
>>27950183
Basically no first-world nation uses the CZ-75. USA, Italy and France use the M92 not counting a ton of last-world countries who also use it (Mexico, Malasia, Brazil, Thailand, Singapore...).
Also the Beretta's open top design sucks so much! That must be the reason why the Vz.58 has an open top design - to make the gun suck!
Both handguns are good, same as HP or a P226 are good. Simply, nowadays you have better guns for the money (Glock's, Steyr's, M&P's, FN's, USP's and VP's...).
>>27955338
I don't get why people have such a hardon for M&Ps.
Sure they're well put together, pretty decent materials and build quality.
But they're so fucking shitty to shoot. Retarded high bore axis, weight balance is all funky, flops like a motherfucker, trigger pull/creep/break/reset is beyond garbage
>>27949695
Coast guard uses SIGs you stupid mother fucker
>>27953403
>Implying I even own a CZ
They're both shit guns. I've had em all and they're all shit. OP should just get a Glock like a normal person and not worry about anything breaking ever.
>>27949351
>9mm lol
>not both
dude.
Ask your mom to give you more money so you can buy both
>>27955416
Or maybe OP wants a gun thats made out of fucking metal you mongoloid
>>27954949
chuckled sensibly
>>27955416
I already own a g19, I just want a metal gun.
You have a fat cunt's hands. You should focus more on trying to fix the shit genetic hand you've been dealt.
>>27953403
And?
This is just about every damn gun made without a disassembly lever.
>>27953587
could try one of these
http://www.recovertactical.com/shop/recover-grip-rail-system-for-beretta
Why not both?
>>27955384
>Retarded high bore axis
Nigga is you retarded? My only and I mean only negative in my opinion for the M&P pistol is the trigger, which has been improved... somewhat. Other than that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Just admit you have never shot an m&p and in all likelihood any real firearm.
>>27949351
Get the CZ hands down. I was deciding between these two very pistols a few years back until I shot the CZ. I set the beretta down and just kept firing the Chez masterpiece and bought one the next week. It's much more ergonomic and I really hate the slide-mounted safety on the beretta. And I really dislike its exposed barrel.
>>27958127
>It's much more ergonomic and I really hate the slide-mounted safety on the beretta.
sausage-fingered manlet detected
>>27958127
You know I had those options as well when buying my first 9mm semi went with the 92fs because out of the ones I tried the Beretta had a better trigger but the thing that killed the CZ for me was I had to use some tactifag method of pulling the slide back because it was so damn small.
>>27954550
>Funny how U.S. troops from Marines to Army hate their M9's for jamming all the time because of the open top design allowing sand and dirt in the action.
Literally no. Nobody wants to read the strings of shit you pull out of your ass.
Jams came from tonkashit-tier lowest bidder magazines that had enough trouble functioning when perfectly clean, let alone when they were getting tossed around in dirt.
>>27955094
nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCwOAQZHSw
>>27950339
>lack of a beveled magwell
My 92a1 has this so that's not really an issue, plus I'm fairly certain new 92's have it
>>27949374
Look at this loser with only two hands, how non-tacticool.
>>27951664
Get the new SIG double stack 10mm P220 thing if you must have an affordable metal 10mm.
Otherwise Glock 20/40/29 and never look back unless you have play money and can afford a hi cap STI
>>27951789
The oldest 92's in service are under 35 years old.
Canada got twice the service life out of it's BHP's and we the 1911 was in service about 70 years
>>27950402
jimbo?
>>27960255
Don't forget to pick up those coilovers, I'll buy you a good dinner or something next time you come down
>>27950402
Do I even want to know how much you paid for your 92G-SD.
Why the fuck is it so ungodly expensive? I could get the Wilson Combat Brigadier 92 for roughly the same price.
>>27960338
It was about 980 I believe, After shipping and transfer fees and everything about 1040 iirc.
I think it's mostly the brigadier slide, you can get a m9a1 for like 650 or so new, but if you want to find a brigadier slide in new/decent shape that's like another 500 minimum. IF you can find one. You can probably forget about finding a decocker-only Brigadier slide, those are unobtainium.
I think the Wilson Combat Brigadier is a great value, with all its features and parts. I totally would have gone for it, but I live in Commiefornia so it's an "evil" off-list handgun.
Also I already had a bunch of "premium" parts I just transferred from my old Beretta, like grips, elite hammer, wilson combat trigger/guide rod, wolff 15# recoil, 17# hammer springs, wolff trigger spring thing, steel hammer spring cap, etc.
>>27960338
>>27960399
You're paying for the target crowned match-grade blackened stainless "Elite" barrel instead of the mil-spec chrome-lined Bruniton(Beretta Melonite) barrel, in addition to the heavy and difficult to produce Brigadier slide.
After that they have to machine it differently to fit the G decocker parts instead of the FS decocker-safety.
Also fun fact, the 92G-SD is the base gun for the Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical, Beretta just machines the Wilson Combat markings on it, then installs the Elite hammer, Wilson Combat sights, guide rod, and G-10 grips and sells it for $200 more.
>>27960511
I just can't justify paying that price. I'd rather get a MK25 for that kind of money.
>>27960567
Can a MK25 shoot 2-inch groups at 25 yards?
>>27960567
Honestly, in 9mm the Brigadier slide is pretty pointless, and the target stainless barrel is kind of overkill for non-competition pistol work.
>Buy 92G >add MR11 rail >$641
>Buy M9A1 >send to Wilson Combat or Allegheny for G-conversion >$798
If you have da 'tism and want the closest thing to a 92G-SD that you can build off the shelf...
>Buy 92FS Brigadier if you want slide >buy M9A1 for integral rail >do G-Conversion >Trijicon Night Sights >$1,430 assuming you sell the 92FS frame for $200
I think Beretta's pricing is reasonable.
>>27960743
Forgot to sell the M9A1 slide for $300. That makes your total $1130.
For that price Beretta gives you an upgraded Elite barrel, which is pretty nice considering they could pocket the money if they wanted.
>>27960567
Literally how is a MK25 worth that much money if a 92G-SD isn't?
>>27960567
>I'd rather get a MK25 for that kind of money.
lol.
>Custom shop gun from one of the most respected names in the industry
vs.
>Gun from a company that is the equivalent of what Springfield Armory is to Springfield Armory, Inc. and is Freedom Group Tier in quality
>>27949351
Just go buy the new M9A3.
I just ordered this it'll be coming in on Tuesday I am excite
>>27962228
Hurry up and paste the other two pictures
>>27950266
I wholeheartedly second this
>pic related, traded a Calico M100P for if
>it's an original browning too
>>27962847
Forgot pic
>>27962868
>Hipower
>gun literally no one makes
I'll take the CZ, thanks though.
>>27962880
Arcus makes an excellent hi power clone, so does FEG, and browning still manufactures them. I have no idea what you are smoking.
>>27962923
Yeah, I guess you're right. There are only two dozen people making high quality clones of the CZ.
three companies churning out half ass browning aftermarket parts is clearly the winner.
>>27962847
hi-power is a mediocre ancient design
>>27962923
FEG is definct
>>27963316
>>27963328
But really, this is the only right answer.
>>27949351
the one that jill valentine uses
>>27963435
copious amounts of potted plants?
>>27963456
grenade launcher
>>27963344
Enjoy your rust
>>27963826
Le rust maymay.
Stay poor faggot.
>>27963839
>Stay poor faggot.
Meanwhile, after investing in superior rust-free H&K product.....
