Can we still win this /k/?
>>27947893
Not if our government can help it.
>>27947893
Inb4 this thread goes full /pol/
>>27947893
What does victory even look like?
The entire Middle East is a mess. It's going to take centuries for its inhabitants to sort themselves out. Too many languages. Too many ethnic groups. Too many religions and religious sects. Too much poverty. Too little education. Too little infrastructure. Too much instability.
If I could wave a magic wand to fix it, I would.
But it ain't gonna happen.
>>27947893
Well since Russia intervened, the opposition has been getting more support. Programs to train rebels fighting ISIS is going ahead.
Turkey and Arab states are trying to unify the opposition, but extremists still have a strong and growing foothold in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Mn6nez900
>>27947893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg1APaLF-CI
>>27948246
>a magic wand
Nukes
>we
What is there to win?
Muslims are genetic predisposed to violence. What does the state of winning get you?
The only value the middle eastern states have is giving combatant is a nice spot to get experience on the battlefield.
Fuck winning. Winning an ideological game is a fool's priority. Go there to have some fun.
>winning
When you use this term, please be specific. What is the endgame your imagination came up with?
In my eyes, we are experiencing the perfect scenario. A scenario where a warfighter is always able to find a war.
The greatest teams on Earth, VDV, GRU, SFOD-D, GIGN now have a world filled with constant belligerents.
Don't worry about an endgame. Just worry if you got "yours".
A world where a warrior is always needed.
We have already won.
A world where an illiterate religifag will always give you an excuse to blow it away.
A universal enemy. An enemy that wants to destroy everything equally.
We live in a truly perfect time.
A world where the only targets are consistently the urban folks who try and empathize with ISIS.
And the only ones willing to kill on those limp-wrists' behalf are the ones they hate so much.
This is so much better than the Cold War.
>>27950513
The world calls for wetwork and we answer. No greater good, no just cause.
>>27950484
>>27950513
>>27950528
>>27950536
>>27950556
Based anon speaks the truth.
>>27950556
I love how true this is.
We have our Forever War
Islam is a curse. Islam is a blessing.
This better than any Nazi party ever was.
>>27948246
If you ask America, and their typical disregard for reality, they will tell you that 'freedom' solves everything.
Like, everything. Literally free kebabs and goat-milk rains from the skies to feed all the starving. Like instantly. All they need to do it to have 'freedom'.
Sounds almost like what the communists would say, only with 'freedom' replaced with their ideology.
I dont know. Maybe America is just that evil.
post news articles of SF activity in Iraq & Syria
what are russians doing there?
>>27950556
You mean, Russia?
Because the US is doing jackshit to actually "kill" ISIS. This would piss off your Saudi and Qatar (and Israel) buttfucker friends.
One year of US bombing of ISIS hasnt achieved as much as Russia's several weeks worth or bombing. ISIS losing Kweires, losing Aleppo, losing their main supply routes... Everything achieved by Russia, as oppossed to America and their super hardcore hightech special force kebab removers and their drones (that seemed to be not enough to stop the spread ISIS to Palmyra, because it was guarded by SAA and not FSA moderate terrorists).
Seriously. America is the reason why ISIS won, and Russia is the reason why ISIS will die like dogs.
I wouldnt be surprised if the US openly flies CAS for the ISIS one day when they are driven into the corner.
>>27947893
>you are the FSA
The FSA will probably get a few cities out of this. They will never throw Assad out as long as Russia is helping.
Assad can either get rid of ISIS or the FSA. Even with Russian help he doesn't have the power to do both. Putin will probably create some kind of truce between the FSA and Assad (Putin). Probably with the stipulation that they reject the US and Saudi Arabia.
>>27950616
>filename
>screenshot article dated 2014
Shill
This is all Bush #2s fault. He is literally Nero to Bush #1s Augustus.
>>27950669
>Russia is bombing everyone but ISIS
>US and allies bombing ISIS
>somehow US not doing shit
slavshit heeb
>>27950669
>One year of US bombing of ISIS hasnt achieved as much as Russia's several weeks worth or bombing.
>ISIS
>in Aleppo
Bullshit
>>27950669
RIDF plz
Right now with the Russian airstrikes it been SAA advancing all over the place. Only place that the FSA is advancing is vs ISIS.
>>27947893
>we
>>27947893
lol no
>>27947893
No, fuck the fsa
>>27951283
>ISIS
>in Aleppo
>Bullshit
Review the maps before posting faggot.
>>27947893
>We
Fuck off Mohammad. Hope you get napalmed by the Russians.
Viva la Assad.
>>27951715
>>27950669
BURGER BLASTER TOLD STATUS INDICATOR:
[ ] Not very told
[x] Megaton yield of TOLD.
>>27947893
Iraq and Syria should both be broken up. There is absolutely no good reason for either to exist.
>>27948246
Pretty much this. Also, add oil to the mix.
Once a shithole, always a shithole.
>>27947893
Well let's see: you have Turkey supporting ISIS because ISIS is anti-Kurds
You have Russia supporting Assad because hes the best of a bad lot and will actually keep the Russo-Syrian alliance that they've had since the 60's.
You have the US supporting FSA (in reality Al-Nusra and a dozen guys in the New Syrian Army), who don't do much beyond bomb the occasional powerstation, hospital or oil convoy....
Currently it looks like the Syrian Government is winning, so at least there will be less people burned to death in cages and whatnot.
China, Cuba, Russia, and Iran are supporting Assad. So they are going to bomb everything not Assad.
USA, various OTAN, Jordan, Turkey, and some sunni shits are bombing ISIS and things not Kurds.
Turkey is also bombing the Kurds.
ISIS is fighting everyone.
Kurds are fighting ISIS, Assad, Al Queso and other groups. Also the only group not ISIS that is capable of anything significant in ground combat.
Iraq is in it too. They have managed to just stop ISIS, sort of.
Russia, USA, and others are bombing each others' proxies and trying not to accidentally themselves. Starting WW3.
Saudis and Persian Gulf Sunnis are supporting ISIS and the USA's fight against ISIS.
Israel gets their nose involved every so often to bomb Assad's military assets.
Then you have ISIS franchises in Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt and Nigeria.
ISIS cells in Europe and America.
All the major powers can agree on. is that Syrians must decide the future of their nation, at some point.
How are we supposed to get "victory" out of this ?
>moderates
>>27954761
>video unrelated to the current conflict in Syria
>>27950669
>ISIS losing ground in Iraq and Northern Syria where the US is bombing
>ISIS gaining ground in Western Syria where Russia is bombing
Tell us more about what Putin's dick tastes like.
>>27954034
This.
Pic relevant, if somewhat oversimplified.
>>27954936
Russia and Kurds should be an 'It's complicated' because the Kurds are opposed to the Assad rule and Russia is backing Assad.
Also this type of discussion technically belongs on /pol/
>>27951866
>ISIS is in Aleppo!!!
>posts map of ISIS not in Aleppo
>>27950669
You seriously believe those daily RT reports on how the Russians have destroyed 6 million enemy targets? Even if the numbers were true, they still have a long way to go to catch up with US.
>>27954965
>the Kurds are opposed to the Assad rule
They want autonomy but not independence, which Assad and Russia are more than willing to grant (hell, it was essentially the case before shit hit the fan). The diagram is accurate.
>>27955023
>fix the two on the right, but not on the bottom
Also they should both be "it's complicated" IMO, maybe even make the gulf states friends with JN.
>>27954034
>Kurds are fighting Assad
Kurds dont have much hostility with Assad, he cover them from Turks for years.
>>27955004
Allepo is a province, not just city.
>>27955032
>6 million enemy targets
>ISIS DOOOOOMED, SUPER RUSSIAN DILDO AIRCRAFT STRIKES DESTROY ALLLLLLLLLLL THEIR AMMUNITION SUPPLIES
kek, this
Also, why is Harry Potter talking in Swedish?
>>27955032
>6 million
They're not attacking Israel bruh
Daily reminder that if you are a true american you should support the democratic arab freedom citizen rebels like our gov does because they are fighting for freedom and democracy
Daily reminder that if you are a patriot you should report the slav propaganda here.
>>27955294
>freedom and democracy
>Al-Qaeda Thanks the U.S. Backed Moderate Rebels for Supplying Anti-Tank Missiles
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d4_1448188374
Here's where our tax dollars go.
So long as Iran and Saudi Arabia's theocracies exist there will be no victory.
You can remove metastasis for all eternity but if you don't kill the main tumor it doesn't fucking matter.
>>27955298
>responding to troll bait
We support the Sauds, who are wahhabi supporters, sure they might be fighting ISIS now, but they allow radical fundamentalists to spread their ideologies and to some extent encourage it because it helps the house of Saud govern.
On the one hand they're good allies against Assad (and through that Iran, Russia and China), on the other they are enablers of radical ideologies that lead to terrorist groups like Al Queada and ISIS.
>>27955350
Iran has actual potential in becoming secular. They are actually experiencing cultural liberalization while Saudi Arabia is becoming a bigger cultural backwater with each passing year.
If it weren't for their close ties with Russia (in that it will be Russia's proxy), I would totally love to see them become more powerful in the Middle East (it would also certainly help Israel in not fucking over the US and the west as often)
Can anyone explain why people chimp out over barrel bombs? I mean personally I don't think I'll never understand why people freak out over "barrel bombs". I mean... for what fucking sake does a DIY unguided munition differ from a factory made unguided munition? Yeah they're inaccurate... but what do you expect for a country that has been in a civil war for years on end with little outside support until recently. I mean we can get all high and mighty about "barrel bombs" and "targeting civilians" but guess what. They're fighting an insurgency. Sometimes innocents will get in the line of fire and die. It happens, it's war, and another reason to avoid it all together. Unfortunately an unnatural force seeks to topple their secular, albeit somewhat authoritarian government, with a radicalized Caliphate which would adhere to a strict application of Sharia. Any moderate opposition left is stuck between a rock (Assad and allies) and a hard place (daesh/IS, Al Nusra, Islamic Front, etc). That moderate opposition that the US and her allies half ass backed has gotten us here. It was never about winning the war, toppling Assad, or anything. All it was about was destabilizing another largely peaceful middle eastern nation. Please though nigger, go ahead and bitch and moan about barrel bombs but before you do, ask if it would matter if they were using other munition or if the opposition should stop using "hellcannons" which are just and inaccurate and indiscriminate.
>>27955356
I should have clarified that the post is a response to your "moderate islamists"
During the cold war the US and Saudi Arabia flirted with Wahabbism because it was a good way to rally Middle Eastern peoples against Socialist and communist governments like that of the Soviet Union or the Baath party.
Problem is we never tied those loose ends after the cold war finished and the House of Saud found that they had to rely on wahabbism to govern
>>27955382
too lazy/jetlagged to explain it myself so im copy-pasting from wiki
Some commentators and institutions have labeled "barrel bombs" as incendiary devices, which are banned for use against populated civilian areas under the terms of the UN Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons. Human Rights Watch has insisted that the employment of these weapons constitutes a war crime.[6] According to Victoria Nuland, of the United States Department of State, "barrel bombs" are "incendiary bombs which contain flammable material that can be like napalm" or can be packed with nails and launched from the air or from a launcher.[62]
In December 2013, Russia refused to back a text at the UN Security Council that would have condemned the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out such indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas.[6][63]
On 13 January 2014, British Foreign Secretary William Hague referred to the usage of "barrel bombs" during the conflict as "yet another war crime."[64]
According to Nadim Houry, the Middle East and North Africa deputy director for HRW, the reason for the Assad government's use of barrel bombs is that it doesn't fear any strong international action.[65]
Syrian opposition representatives have repeatedly requested from international allies, and been denied, the transfer of anti-aircraft weapons to moderate rebel groups, in order to target the aircraft used to drop "barrel bombs".[66]
>>27955388
But literally of all barrel bombs are just regular explosives packed in a barrel or drum, weld some fins on if you have the will, and then drop it out the back of a Mi-17...
>>27955394
they gotta find a way to set them off somehow. Which if they ignite them with incendiary devices then the bomb as a whole is technically a crude incendiary device (according to the critics logic)
In all honesty they're just saying it because they want reasons to justify attacking Assad or justifying his departure from government should there be a ceasefire.
All they're doing is finding reasons why he should leave, like in most wars.
>>27955350
>Iran
Iran's consistently done nothing beyond supporting local terrorists gorups as catpaws against their regional rivals and kept them on a tight leash. Not even remotely comparable to the Saudis and their whole schtick of exporting their radical shitheads into uncontrollable international terrorist organisations.
>>27947964
It's been full /pol/ from the start, t b h, f a m.
>>27947893
Hold onto yer guns
hold onto yer family
Always remember the United States would not be recognized in its current form by those who founded it
>>27947893
Yes. FSA fighters will be parading through the streets of Damascus in a year's time. All three of them.
>>27951912
This, fuck the fake "Syrian" army, it was the support of those tards that helped ISIS come to power.
>>27954034
Aren't the Free Syrian army 'neutral' with ISIL?
>>27957786
No. They just took territory from them in the northwest like yesterday.
