Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329826/Reporter-buys-AK-47-parts-mail-assembles-automatic-weapon-gun-party-goes-shooting-Mojave-Desert--entirely-legal-untraceable.html
Two passages triggered me:
[1]
>"With the parts in hand, he researched to find a gun community that could assist him assembling the weapon - a favorite among insurgents, terrorists and warlords due to its durability"
>Implying that if Al Capone loves lemon juice, then lemon juice must be bad.
[2]
>"At the prompting of his employer, the journalist destroyed the gun he had assembled".
>Implying that it is a good message to destroy goods that have been legally acquired, obtained, assembled, or produced... just because assuming people might question your motives just by looking at them.
The U.S. sounds to me like a land of contrasts, with many people having an either/or attitude toward things:
- On the one hand, you have States in which it appears anything goes;
- Other States are surprisingly tough on weapon owners, yet their legal systems have more holes than Swiss cheese and you can accomplish a lot of stuff by being legal-savvy and ingenious.
Usually, on this board, I hear a lot of ppl calling us Yuropoor (true) or just cunts (true as well)... But sometimes I reckon we have a better time than Amerifags since we do not have to clash with all the paranoia that sometimes you see expressed in the U.S. media.
When I say "paranoia", I mean this: it seems some propaganda depicts Europe (and Western Europe, in particular) as a merry no-gunz place whereas, in fact, as I have proven in another thread, it is very easy to import a shitload of stuff in countries like Italy (e.g. AK47s, Moist-Nuggets...).
True, there are more restrictions on "bearing guns", but owning is legit and accidents are at their lowest (touch wood).
In the U.S. there is a huge debate that in Europe is virtually nonexistent. I would be more scared by how U.S. legal system is fucked up than by how many guns are around.
>>27920501
Before you crush me for having shared a UK link, please understand the whole story is 100% American and the journalist says almost the same things that triggered me in his video.
Source here:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/ak-47-semi-automatic-rifle-building-party?utm_source=feedly
>>27920505
>"Assembling a Romanian variant is a builder wearing a camo jacket and a hat embroidered with an AR-15 rifle above the legend "Come and take it." His knuckle tattoos read "PRAY HARD.""
So, do these journalists linger on aesthetic details because they are concerned with the literary quality of their story,
...or do they cherry-pick cheesy details with the hope they will trigger some stereotypes (e.g. "huh huh this dude assembles gunz and haz scary tattoos")?
Why is the press so biased? Fuck me if I know why: cash? Click-baiting based on ppl's gut feelz? Holy crap I am so triggered right now.
Are you really going to try to have a Yurop > Amerikkka thread when THIS SHIT is about to go down?
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm
Seriously, stop this shit. Liberals and neuvo commies want to ban fun everywhere. Stop trying to balkanize us, faggot.
I'm not saying I'm a europoor without rights
but could someone nudge me in the right direction order these things
but only for a simple handgun, please.
just for a joke, hehe
Well OP, if you look past the internet, you'll find that a majority of the people you talk to either support the ownership of weapons, or just don't care on the subject. I believe that cities such as LA, Hollywood, San Francisco (basically most of Southern California), and any other Metropolitan area is toxic toward traditional American culture in that they do not inherently support individual liberty. Which, to me, makes the name "liberal" extremely ironic; they want to ban the most things.
>>27920505
>Motherjones
Sonar activated. Take everything they publish with a half pound of salt as you would from Fox News, Huff Post, or MSN/CNN.
>>27920529
>Are you really going to try to have a Yurop > Amerikkka thread when THIS SHIT is about to go down?
No. This is not bait. And although my OP was mainly about the fact that America strikes me as a place where you find extremely polarized opinions... I'd rather say in Europe the problem is that government can pass no-gunz laws without actually consulting people about it because it is full of parties that do not give a shit about those who elected them.
So, hell no. I am very critical of Europe. Even so, when I come across those "stories" in the media they are always American. I don't know. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places when I Google my shit... but it is striking how all this shit is all over the place whereas an occasional Italian shooting (like the one in Naples) triggers concerns about the availability of mental health care rather than triggering anti-guns protests.
>>27920582
>Well OP, if you look past the internet, you'll find that a majority of the people you talk to either support the ownership of weapons, or just don't care on the subject. I believe that cities such as LA, Hollywood, San Francisco (basically most of Southern California), and any other Metropolitan area is toxic toward traditional American culture in that they do not inherently support individual liberty. Which, to me, makes the name "liberal" extremely ironic; they want to ban the most things.
^This.
OP here.
Another thing that triggers me is that in America all political labels are so fucked up that it is hard to have a straightforward discussion.
E.g. I was talking to a Texas dude and it was so hard to make a point because of this: every time you say words such as "socialist", "liberal", or "anarchist"... he reacts to the "American" meaning of the word, whereas to me it appears Americans call "liberals" people who are actually pro-Federal control and pro-banning of things. Which doesn't make sense to me.
But that's /pol/ stuff, right? ;)
>>27920584
Gosh you made me kek. I think you're right. I didn't check my source before getting triggered.
>>27920501
Why do people act shocked that you can build things?
>>27920584
Ironically if you don't take that half pound of salt, you'll end up more salty.
>>27920529
>>27920555
Everyone knows there aren't any wild animals that could hurt people in Europe and there's no chance of being murdered or hurt by an assailant in Europe. Why do you Europeans NEED guns?
>>27920617
Good, check your sources and cross reference with twelve others before opening your mouth next time. And you're dead right about what goes on here as far as our media-political relationship, it's an absolute disaster of lies and mis-information, I don't watch TV and take my news from as many sources as I can, and average it all out to get the most accurate picture.
Bad shit man. Your BBC network seems to have skewed off to the side in recent years too.
>>27920637
>Everyone knows there aren't any wild animals that could hurt people in Europe and there's no chance of being murdered or hurt by an assailant in Europe. Why do you Europeans NEED guns?
I get your humour... but let me respond in more ironic a way: ever heard of Yugoslavia, DDR, Socialist compact, Sarajevo, Transnistria, Cechnya, and Ukraine?
>>27920582
Virginia, is kinda like this, the cities are blue liberal havens and the rest of the state is red blooded. Metropolitan areas are hot spots for liberal ideology.
>>27920640
>Your BBC network seems to have skewed off to the side in recent years too.
Agreed. I am not UK-based though you can imagine BBC is my first access point to the English-speaking world (and I instinctively hate CNN, even though I cannot spell the reason why).
However, more recently I turned toward French Newspapers, and Al Jazeera International, which has very legit reports.
>>27920637
It's painful because it's the zeitgeist.
>>27920667
Al "Allahu Ackbar" Jazeera is OK for certain subjects, sort of like how RT is. RT is cool for most financial and tech stuff, but anything remotely concerning the US or EU in specific will be red-hot with something.
>>27920617
I was talking to a friend of mine who is quite stupid. I hate to act like I'm better than people -- I would describe myself as outwardly humble. But I know that I am smarter than this man for this reason: we mentioned the Paris terrorism attacks, and he said "whatever, you know what happened on 9/11? They abandoned us and said screw it, we aren't helping them."
Of course, no matter what I said to contradict him, with my response ranging from facts, like them being our first ally, to a fellow NATO country, to "We are all Americans on this day," to them having TONS of involvement in the Middle East, he simply refused to believe what I was saying and stated the age-old surrender trope.
As an American, I feel justified in saying that most Americans are stupid as fuck when it comes to politics, because they only rely on gut emotions rather than logic, and are extremely uneducated on many topics. But somehow everyone feels the need to inject their moronic opinion onto ANY given topic, despite whatever qualifications they DON'T possess. They are arrogant.
>>27920663
>Virginia, is kinda like this, the cities are blue liberal havens and the rest of the state is red blooded. Metropolitan areas are hot spots for liberal ideology.
XD XD XD
That's exactly what confuses me. I really had to look up "democrats colour" on Google to make sure I understood your statement correctly.
Everywhere else in the world, Red is either the colour of communism, socialism, or pseudo-socialist parties that evolved into moderate-something (e.g. labor party).
Instead, Blue is the colour of centre-right (e.g. Italian Berlusconi's party).
Another weird thing is that, in Australia and Europe alike, the "liberals" are the right-wing ones... which makes sense considering they want to be economically liberal, whereas have little libertarian views from the social perspective and are quite conservatives for all things that would be called "liberal" in the US.
>>27920689
>is OK for certain subjects
OP here. I watch Al Jazeera because has a better coverage of African-related matters, IMO.
>>27920501
can't help stupid
>>27920596
America is a big place with losts of people and diverse areas.
It's bound to happen
>>27920555
>but could someone nudge me in the right direction order these things
80% 1911 frames. Look up "polymer glock frame" on 3d cad websites. It won't get you the entire gun but it'll get you the basis for it.
for academic purposes only check your local laws etc etc
But muh registry
Muh firearms tracing
Muh license for that
Muh untraceable defaced serial numbers
Muh ballistic match
Muh armor piercing hollo tips
Muh silent murder Suppressor weapons
Yes all those faggot buzzwords and phrases trigger me
>>27920694
>the age-old surrender trope.
Lol, I can imagine the convo between the two of you.
Talking of the surrender stereotype, I was positively impressed by French action in Mali. Either they managed to broadcast only positive intelligence about their ops or they actually did something pretty effective.
I am no Frenchmen, but I linger toward the latter option.
>As an American, I feel justified in saying that most Americans are stupid as fuck when it comes to politics, because they only rely on gut emotions rather than logic, and are extremely uneducated on many topics. But somehow everyone feels the need to inject their moronic opinion onto ANY given topic, despite whatever qualifications they DON'T possess. They are arrogant.
That's really the same in Europe... but frankly, in a sense it is very positive that in the US everybody speaks up freely, so that it is very easy to detect the idiots.
In Europe, part of the US is perceived as a land of rednecks and idiots... but if you want to hear the truth, I think it is just the rehearsal of socially distancing stereotypes (they = cunts; us = brilliant people). In earnest, America appears to be so dumb ***just because*** it gets more publicity. If some Europeans felt entitled to speak up, it would be like opening a can of worms.
>>27920625
Because libtards don't understand the process of creating anything, besides shite writing and how to destroy culture.
>>27920663
It's all the shitbags that work in Washington and treat Virginia as a suburb of DC. Liberals are like locusts. They fuck up where they are, and then go someplace else to fuck up your shit too.
>>27920760
That's a pretty interesting way to look at it, in a broader aspect. I will say that when I tell people I'm from New England, think legitimately think I'm from another country.That should tell you enough. But your point about "more people speaking = more people appear stupid" is pretty much on point.
So what is the big deal here. Is this a problem?...
I don't know what the problem is here.
>>27920783
>That's a pretty interesting way to look at it, in a broader aspect. I will say that when I tell people I'm from New England, think legitimately think I'm from another country.That should tell you enough. But your point about "more people speaking = more people appear stupid" is pretty much on point.
When I left my country of origin to move long-term in other countries, I realized how conformist my country was and how repressing it felt (and still feels) to live in my birthplace.
Not just the family, but everything that is praised of where I come from is actually the result of dull conformism that keeps people in line.
Nice clothing? You betcha. If you don't wear good shit, people are gonna talk behind your back.
Nice food? You betcha. Try not to serve a three course meal at a family dinner: people will talk behind your back.
The level of social bullying and "hazing" (is that the word) make the place where I come from 5-stars in term of cultural repression.
And, apparently, all of that is part of a conformist culture and has little to do with the State. The State is fucked up, I agree, but when you leave you really breath fresh air for the first time in your life.
So, apparently, there is an extremely high number of people in my country that are possibly even worse than your average Amerifag dumbo-jumbo... but they stir their hatred in silence, because -- you know -- if you speak up people will immediately label you and you will have to fall back in line like every other dude before you.
Is this positive? Not really, because some people keep shut until they reach boiling point and pressure explodes. This occurs both in intelligent people and retards... extremes are not allowed, and tall poppies are cut down by the conformist mass that will make fun of you if you are slightly different.
Finding courage to live your life independently from the opinion of others is a real challenge. If only you could manage to not give a F about what others think.
>>27920786
It was just a thread about no-gunz things that trigger you.
If anything, discussion on /k/ is more meaningful. In /pol/ you cannot write two lines and they have already labelled you as an autistic or a jew.
>>27920760
>I was positively impressed by French action in Mali.
Contributing to the /k/ nature of the thread, here's a source. It's not top-notch, but has a nice summary of motives behind Mali intervention.
>>27920867
Forgot link:
africasacountry.com/2013/01/france-in-mali-the-end-of-the-fairytale/
>>27920694
This this this times a billion
I could use my catholic grandparents wanting abortion banned who are well intentioned but have no fucking idea the money, lives, and suffering saved. i could use my hippy child hood friend who never touched a gun who knows everything he knows about guns from halo and wants them banned (for everyone except me... Cocksucker)
I could use almost everybody I know as an example. I was anti abortion until i learned about it. I feel like the problem is common with what goes on with the internet and that people just spew what they are told and taught to beleive and i have learned to hold my beliefs lightly.
>>27920897
Would you believe /k/ has determined my political awakening?
In a sense, coming to /k/ was contingent to other life events, but it really pushed me over the edge of the cliff... and when I touched ground I found myself unharmed.
I have always been friendly towards a socialist view of the world, in particular because I believe a well-managed welfare State can work and should not be dismantled among calls for more liberal a society (if being more liberal means: letting others free to exploit you).
At the same time, I still valued my individual freedoms. So I didn't want the State to come over and tell me what to do, how to dress, what to believe, and how to fuck -- and this libertarian attitude of mine crosses the line between socialism and anarchism.
Nevertheless, as a 21st Century anarcho-socialist, I inherited a legacy of ready-made arguments (arguments made in Dumblandia) agains guns, against war, and against a lot of other stuff that, as a matter of fact, doesn't survive logical considerations.
After /k/ and after other more academic readings, I became more moderate. Surprisingly, /k/ made me tolerant rather than radical. Because some people here (aside from the flock of idiots that usually populate the Net), taught me that you can pursue a hobby in a respectful way without endangering people and that things do not necessarily need to be banned in order to prevent their bad usage.
If anything, banning equals to an admission we are afraid of something. And fear, you know, is the mind-killa.
>>27920961
>Nevertheless, as a 21st Century anarcho-socialist, I inherited a legacy of ready-made arguments (arguments made in Dumblandia) agains guns, against war, and against a lot of other stuff that, as a matter of fact, doesn't survive logical considerations
With this sentence I mean to say that the ready-made arguments against all kind of stuff do not survive logical considerations.
If you ever heard of the theory of just war, you know what I am talking about.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
>>27920838
So what country are you from?
>>27921316
See OP:
>>27920501
>>27920501
The EU is going to ban most semi-automatic guns. There isn't a debate because the EU isn't a democratic system and doesn't give a fuck about its citizens. The media won't talk about it because they agree with all gun bans as well. It's goint to go completely unnoticed and we won't be able to do anything against it.
>>27921391
>The EU is going to ban most semi-automatic guns. There isn't a debate because the EU isn't a democratic system and doesn't give a fuck about its citizens. The media won't talk about it because they agree with all gun bans as well. It's goint to go completely unnoticed and we won't be able to do anything against it.
Exactly what I said in this comment:
>>27920596
>I'd rather say in Europe the problem is that government can pass no-gunz laws without actually consulting people about it because it is full of parties that do not give a shit about those who elected them.
>>27921391
>The EU is going to ban most semi-automatic guns.
Do we even have stats on crimes committed with legally purchased semi-auto? Has anybody an official link I can read?
>>27921431
>Do we even have stats on crimes committed with legally purchased semi-auto?
Why stop at semi-autos? Why not include all legal firearms? I say this because the statistics point to one clear direction, no matter how many or few types of firearms you include in this analysis: legal firearms are not a "public safety hazard", and neither are illegal firearms, if we're going to be frank. You're multiple times more likely to die in a car crash than you are to die in an encounter turned violent. The same applies to booze, tobacco, drugs, sugar and fatty foods - and yet nobody is screaming from the rooftops for bans on private transportation, booze, tobacco, drugs etc.
Why is this? It's very, very simple: weapons, including firearms, are a tool of power. Tools of power can be used by evil men to subjugate the weaker party, and by good men to resist said evil men. Care to guess which group of people the gun control advocates, knowingly or unknowingly, belong to?
"Right of might" is not a meme, but rather as close to a "natural law" or "axiom of nature" as one can get - possibly aside from the fact of certain death.
>>27921670
Anyway, I read the report, and it appears they will not ban semi-auto.
They will make it so that there are clearer and more consistent rules.
Definitely they're not gonna ban semi-auto shotguns or hunting stuff... and maybe not even most "bolt action" semi-auto stuff.
Instead, they are making it harder or more punishable to cancel the weapon number or to acquire parts that will allow you to upgrade to full auto.
In fact, most guns blog title "proposal to ban all semi-auto"... but it's not the case. They want to ban some tactical stuff and that's it. The rest is more bureaucracy.
>>27921693
Just rifles with detachable magazines
And military grade sniper rifles that are capable of penetrating body armor which could also take down aircraft.
Oh and Street Sweeper high capacity destructive device shotguns.
Oh and Handguns that can hold more than 7 rounds.
BOHICA Europoors.
Buy a Quran, start memorizing the words of your new prophet Mohamed, and prepare to be culturally enriched.
Here comes the diversity!
You are not a racist Nazi are you?
We need to see how much room there is inside your home to house these poor innocent immigrant refuges that just so happen to be fighting age males.
We see your daughter has room next to her bed and you can sleep on the couch and your wife can welcome and embrace a few of the other males.
>>27921693
>They will make it so that there are clearer and more consistent rules.
The rules don't need to be harmonized across the EU.
>Definitely they're not gonna ban semi-auto shotguns or hunting stuff
Why wouldn't they?
>and maybe not even most "bolt action" semi-auto stuff.
Bolt-action is per definition not a semi-auto action mechanism.
>Instead, they are making it harder or more punishable to cancel the weapon number or to acquire parts that will allow you to upgrade to full auto.
Which targets who, exactly? Criminals and terrorists don't modify semi-autos into full-auto - they buy them select fire and skip the hassle.
>They want to ban some tactical stuff and that's it.
That's exactly the problem here. They want to ban weapons based on what they look like. I.e. an AR-15 or semi-auto modded Kalashnikov will become illegal, but a Browning BAR with a 20 round magazine will be illegal, because it "looks like a hunting weapon".
In short: the lawmakers are dumb fucks who do not deserve any respect or reverence.
>The rest is more bureaucracy.
Another thing we DO NOT need in Europe.
A series of well reasoned, erudite posts in my /k/? Will wonders never cease?!
Also, OP, Romania?
>>27920501
>UK link says auto
>US link says semi
Well that's an interesting difference.
>>27921693
They will ban select fire and automatic weapons that were converted to semi-auto only for civilian use, ie : all those vintage AK, M70, M16A1, VZ58, G3, FAL...
They will also ban all weapons that look like automatic weapons of war even if they were made semi-automatic from the begining, ie : AR15, Saiga, AUG, SLR8/HK243...
Basically they are going to ban the vast majority of semi-auto rifles owned by sport shooters in the EU.
The only weapons they might leave alone are civilian weapons that were designed to be semi-auto only from the start such as the Mini 14 or Benelli MR1.
They are most likely going to ban all handguns as well.
You sound like a gun grabber.
What the fuck is with all the polite, civil, and well reasoned conversation itt?
Fucking eurofags shitting up the place as usual baka
>>27922096
Shut up fag nigger
>>27920501
>the scury ak47 is only for turroist
>look he made all of this legaly oh god the humanity
>AK47
>AK47
>AK47
kill me now, why are europoors like this?
Why exactly are "Untraceable" guns a scary thing?
The government doesn't know where the legal ones are anyway nor do background checks actually stop gang bangers and bad people from getting them. So...tell me again why this matters?
>>27922707
People tend to think that they live in a sci-fi future world where the government controls everything for their benefit, so anything that runs counter to that fantasy is terrifying.
>>27922661
It's blind ignorance to think that millions of Americans don't think like this too.
I know it's convenient to make a foreign boogeyman but don't be stupid.
>>27922707
Because big daddy government is there to protect them. To be honest I think it has to do with two things, European culture is incrediblly narcissistic, along with being collectivist (not mutually things exclusive). The idea is that the government is the embodyment of the will of the people... Or that it should, instead if simply your fellow citizens elected to represent your shared interests . To put it simply, they're more democratic, and to a fault. They don't have constitutions that outline the restrictions placed on their government and the majority, and those that do lack a culture that appreciates it. Unfortunately the US is quickly losing our own constitutional culture and so we've seen both overt and subversive ways in which our governments and even the majority have undermined it.
>>27922707
Presumably people think a serial electropencilled on a Kalash lets governments track it by satellite.
>>27920637
It's not like there are millions of soldiers from foreign cultures and lands wandering your streets while killing, raping, and looting.
>>27920501
I wonder what special hell would've awaited the reporter if he made this,
>>27920840
>>27922707
Same reason gunners get such a wet dick for them. They think it means no trail
>>27920501
I only read a little bit of the article
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the ak kits don't come with a lower receiver, do they?
>>27920501
Terrorists are only going to find out about parts kits if they lurk gun forums for a long time or apparently by simply reading the news. Why would they post this article? It's like those articles about pressure cooker bombs and then they wonder why one was used in Boston.
>>27920501
>mfw he committed 3 felonies in this video
>load five rounds. I empty the magazine in seconds. Their reputation has been rightly earned: AKs are popular because they workâevery time.
amazing! His gun didn't have a malfunction after 5 shots?!
>>27920528
Because journalism is a dead profession. There is no news anymore, only a political spin thinly disguised under an even thinner laquer of entertainment.
Also article content doesnt matter if you can come up with a good clickbait headline and an intriguing picture.
Like 45% of "readers" will form thier opinion of the issue purely off of how the headline and picture makes them feel emotionally.
Example "woman discovered in apartment with guns and dead baby"
(Photo of ambulance, concerned crowd)
You just see that and think "gee, that lady shot her baby"
And keep scrolling.
In the article it takes 3 to 4 paragraphs to explain that the child fell down the stairs, the woman just happened to own a firearm in the house.
But you didnt read it, so you go about the rest of your day thinking "jeeze, people are literally shooting babies."
Journalism is dead.
>>27920501
He committed several felonies with the destruction and disposal of the rifle.
>>27924474
>Journalism is dead.
I feel you
>>27920501
that look on his face... oh how he hated that.
>>27920718
france24 is good for Africa as well
>>27920501
Someone should rob him and rape his family in front of him.
Bet you he would wish he had his AK then.
>>27920838
and that circles into why the US is such a fuckfest when it comes to opinions.
Sure, it's not completely nonconformist and there's social pressure to be "normal", but on the flip side, you also have the principle of speaking up for yourself and (mostly) self-sufficiency and pulling yourself up over the rest to succeed hammered into most of us during our youth.
Especially in the internet age, you're just going to get a lot of people speaking their mind and expressing their opposition to all kinds of things. And with the internet, they connect and find each other faster and become "empowered" to their own views.
I guess in the end of the day, I may hate most liberals in America, but I'm grateful that they provide a balance to the bible thumping god fearing no-fun-allowed conservatives.
BUT the argument about that balance today, is a whole other threadfull of discussion.
>>27923037
..... but it isn't the case?
Is that what the US media tells you?
Are you guys still so butt blasted about the 9/11 thing
that you can't distinct between mussies and terrorists?
Here's the document of what the EU plans to do.
http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/13965/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native
Yes, they want to ban semi autos for EVERYONE. (Except of course the popo and the military, which never does anything wrong and are here to protect you citizen).
>>27920596
Correct me if I'm talking out of my ass, but could it be because in Europe guns are more universally considered bad than in the US, and therefore most discussion about them is over before it begins, whereas in the US both ends of the spectrum are both populous and very vocal, so articles like this are able to stir up a shitstorm/circlejerk and generate revenue? Bad analogy incoming: In Europe it would be similar to a media source published an article saying "rape is bad" and the general population is going to say "well, of course its bad, this isn't news", even though there will be a smaller, less vocal group of people who say "I don't think rape is all that bad". I'm not very knowledgeable about the gun culture in Europe, but I get the impression that the few that do shoot or own guns are not very outspoken about it outside of their own circle because of the general negative connotations associated with them, whereas in the US if you bring up guns you're likely to get a much more varied response, ranging from "civilian gun ownership should be outlawed" to "the ATF/NFA should be disposed of".
>>27921997
>The rules don't need to be harmonized across the EU.
EU Report says otherwise. EU report says that although rules are theoretically consistent, different countries have applied them in different ways.
>Which targets who, exactly? Criminals and terrorists don't modify semi-autos into full-auto - they buy them select fire and skip the hassle.
Not claiming it was meaningful. Just tried to repeat what the report said.
>That's exactly the problem here. They want to ban weapons based on what they look like. I.e. an AR-15 or semi-auto modded Kalashnikov will become illegal, but a Browning BAR with a 20 round magazine will be illegal, because it "looks like a hunting weapon".
I see your point, and I think you're right. It's ridiculous.
>>The rest is more bureaucracy.
>Another thing we DO NOT need in Europe.
Agreed.
>Also, OP, Romania?
Fuck me if I'm Romanian.
>The only weapons they might leave alone are civilian weapons that were designed to be semi-auto only from the start such as the Mini 14 or Benelli MR1.
>They are most likely going to ban all handguns as well.
>You sound like a gun grabber.
Now I'm scared.
>What the fuck is with all the polite, civil, and well reasoned conversation itt?
>Fucking eurofags shitting up the place as usual baka
Lol. It appears I have the gift of creating threads that attract reasonable responses. I have 20 years of experience with this discursive shit.
>Why exactly are "Untraceable" guns a scary thing?
They are scary because investigators don't know how to do their job.
>European culture is incrediblly narcissistic, along with being collectivist (not mutually things exclusive).
Agreed. I'd say collectivist in a conformist way. So you have to be narcissist as a European, but when surrounded by European you have to lower your head and walk with the mass.
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>>27922762
>they're more democratic, and to a fault.
I'd rather say that Europe is demagogic pretending to be democratic. If it was truly democratic, we would have caucuses and other shit like Switzerland, which is accused to be backwards and retarded, but does a better service to its citizens than other countries.
>>27923558
>Terrorists are only going to find out about parts kits if they lurk gun forums for a long time or apparently by simply reading the news. Why would they post this article? It's like those articles about pressure cooker bombs and then they wonder why one was used in Boston.
And that's why, for example, some terrorist activity does not get publicity in my country's media if it is believed that publicity will advertise the terrorists' goals.
>>27923561
>>mfw he committed 3 felonies in this video
Could you care to elaborate? I don't know US laws.
>>27924474
>Journalism is dead.
Not in topic. But the Italian most famous sports daily (Gazzetta) who usually deals 80% with football and 20% with other sports, licensed the article on MMA to a guy who used to write about boxing.
This dude went apeshit crazy and wrote a rant on how MMA is violent and not as "noble" as box without checking the stats on the fact less ppl are killed in MMA than box (in percentage). Dude was also ignorant about the name of the moves.
So, basically, when something is not mainstream, journalists feel entitled to allow ignorants to write articles just to heat up the crowd, so the crowd will go "Duh huh, MMA is not sport. It's killing". Instead of information, they spread emotions hoping for reaction.
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>>27924889
Agreed.
>>27924914
> And with the internet, they connect and find each other faster and become "empowered" to their own views.
Still not a good argument for Internet laws. But I am not implying you were advocating limitations to the Internet. Just sayin'...
What I find most laughable is the sudden surprise when people discover groups of dumbfags exist and have theories and media power. I mean, they have always existed, right? Idiots are everywhere; but now they are connected!
Good call anon. I second you on this.
>>27926274
>Are you guys still so butt blasted about the 9/11 thing
>that you can't distinct between mussies and terrorists?
It seems even Frenchmen cannot draw the line.
>>27929351
>I'm not very knowledgeable about the gun culture in Europe, but I get the impression that the few that do shoot or own guns are not very outspoken about it outside of their own circle because of the general negative connotations associated with them, whereas in the US if you bring up guns you're likely to get a much more varied response, ranging from "civilian gun ownership should be outlawed" to "the ATF/NFA should be disposed of".
So do you maintain that, either spoken (USA) or unspoken (EU), gun advocacy still triggers the same knee-jerk results in the uneducated populace.
But I see an interesting point here: the problem being the uneducated populace -- not gunz per se.
So there are uneducated gun owners who are a danger for everybody. This triggers other uneducated reactions -- much like "let's ban everything". And so on in a vicious cycle.
>>27930196
Felonies he committed are reviewed by this dude http://youtu.be/2NHEIWlPSG0
>>27922707
A lot of people think that guns are registered, so if it's found there will be a trail leading to the owners ........ and apparently believe that stealing isn't a thing
>>27920528
Because its really easy to influence the reader's opinion with pointless details
>Astounding: It is illegal to import an AK-47 into the U.S., but the foreign-made components are legal for sale in weapon kits. Bryan Schatz said he did not have to undergo a background check to purchase the kit.
Holy fuck, they didn't fact check anything at all. Full auto AKs can't be imported, but semi is good to go.
>'Build parties are open to anyone who wants to participate [upstanding citizens and convicted felons alike], and that deserves some heavy consideration in my opinion.'
kek. A prohibited person would be committing a felony by building/possessing any firearm.
>THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE I SAID SO: the article
>>27920501
You gotta understand that it should not be legally possible for the Federal Government or most State Governments to even make laws about firearms.
It isn't a very sound part of American law, not because of our legal system as a whole, but because it is on shaky legal ground to begin with considering that direct regulation of guns is unconstitutional.
State laws concerning HOW to keep and bear arms such as the rules for concealed carry are much less ambiguous than those which attempt to infringe on the uninfringable, though this may seem like an academic distinction.
>>27920617
Allow me to explain:
Liberalism is a loan word from french that entered the language in the 1800s and means "supporting liberty".
liberal (lower case) the opposite of conservative entered the language as a modification of the word "liberty" in the 1830s and was used exclusively in the context of church doctrine being traditional or new.
Left wing comes from the General Assembly of the French Revolution, it has both connotations of liberal as in "opposite of conservative", and violence.
Somewhere along the line in the US liberal (as in not conservative) became associated with leftism.
In the UK however, liberal is still strongly associated with capitol "L" Liberalism.
Neither term is incorrect, it's just that we are ignorant of each other's usage of the term.
What IS incorrect is describing "Liberalism" as the opposite of "Conservatism" because this is categorically incorrect outside of the context of traditional forms of government such as absolute monarchy.
Look up "Liberalism" on Wikipedia and you get liberal as in freedom not liberal as in not conservative.
That looks like an AK but it's actually just a clock for a school project.
>>27920707
CNN was -- I believe -- the TV network/propagandists that inverted the colors: Red = Fire/DANGER/HOT, so that was assigned to Republicans (right-leaning). Blue = Water/LIFE-GIVING/COOL was assigned to the Democrat party (left-leaning). I prefer "The Stupid Party" for Reps., and "The Dangerous Party" for Dems., from Dennis Prager, conservative radio host
>>27933016
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