What is best HD firearm?
Pistol vs Shotgun?
If pistol, what caliber?
Matter of preference, which one could you afford to train with most. Usually a shotgun is the most inexpensive route.
>>27898461
>reviving for discussion
But yeah, it's hard to weigh the differences between a longer shotgun that'll probably put them out of action with a hit, or a pistol who's wounds are very often survived nowdays. Probably some personal preference like >>27898513 said.
My preference is the shotgun personally. I want them dead ASAP. If they're breaking into my house anyway, I feel justified in assuming that they're more than willing to kill/injure me to get what they want.
I'd say a fullsize 9mm with a 300+ lumen mounted light. Compact compared to long gun, good capacity, and easy to control.
>>27898461
Ar or ak
A shotgun will cause more damage in one shell than a single round from those for sure. But shotguns are usually longer, and follow up shots are not as fast.
Pistol is my last resort, they suck.
If staying in one spot and guarding a door I want a shot gun. Also if I don't care about over penetration.
If I have to move through a house, or engage multiple foes, I want my ar.
Full size with a light if you're going to clear your house/get your kids. Shotgun if you're calling 911 and camping in your room. Both are legit strategies
>>27900303
Agreed about not using a pistol. I'd probably use my vz over any of my aks though. I feel like it aims faster for me.
>But shotguns are usually longer, and follow up shots are not as fast.
Nobody said you had to use your 30" barrel clay/bird gun.
>>27900332
>Shotgun if you're calling 911 and camping in your room.
I'm more of this guy. The intruder better hope the police get there before they get to my room.
Carbine > shotgun w/ buckshot > pistol
>>27900269
too much lumens bro. the splash will blind you inside.
>>27898461
Best HD firearm is whatever you can afford, and afford to practice with. Bonus points if it won't punch through walls and hit your neighbors.
>>27898461
entirely scenario dependent.
I choose my pistol, I have a revolver with FMJ's loaded. I don't need expansion when I plan on shooting an intruder until empty.
It's easier to leave somewhere unsecured yet still out of sight and safe.
I get up and check every time my dog barks, which would be a fucking nightmare with a rifle half asleep two to three times a week at 2AM. dog barks at fucking everything, I also check outside. I don't really want to be lookin' around my front yard with a spooky black rifle in a bathrobe. When I could just have my firin' hand in my robe revolver ready and not spook the neighbors if they happen to be outside.
Id say it depends on your home layout. If you have long open rooms then a shotgun will do great. If you have narrow areas and places the bad guy can hide and hit you from then a pistol will be more mobile.
At least thats what my ignorant opinion is.
I've always advocated for the pistol for home defense. Unlike long arms, it can be operated effectively with one hand while the other hand opens doors and flips switches, dials 911, frisks subdued intruders, drags small children to safety, etc.
>>27898461
10 gauge sawed off pump with duct taped flash light and taser bayonet.
>>27901902
Nogunz here. I'm planning on purchasing a pistol for home defense as my first weapon for the reasons you've listed.
>>27902396
I'd recommend a long gun because all the issue he listed are actual training issues.
While I do agree the home layout is important to consider, unless you're living in an ant farm you shouldn't have too much an issue taking corners with an SBR, pistol with some faggot brace, even a minimum legal barrel AR. People have been taking buildings with rifles for years, it's a training issue, learn to use your rifle indoors and you'll have all the benefits that come with it, far more muzzle energy and energy transfer rate, better control, etc.
You can operate most rifles one handed as the control groups are generally located around the grip anyway. If you have a problem holding a minimum length rifle / sbr with one hand while flipping switches you likely have a physical condition, in which case use whatever best suits your physical condition. Also be mindful that generally light switches correspond to the room they're directly in or near, you should have a gun light instead of silhouetting yourself with a room light.
If you're on the phone dialing 911 while someone is in your home you're doing it wrong, if you're frisking subdued intruders you're doing it wrong. Dragging children is situational, hopefully you have a significant other to help you with that regard, if not or he/she/it is away. I personally can manage an SBR and carry a child to a safer location, if you can't, I would be an asshole and say lift more, but fine you want to use a pistol have at it, just understand you're opting for an inferior weapon.
I'd get an AR15, a decent one, none of that PTAC shit, or an AK in 5.45. They shoot light, you can get SBR / braced versions depending on your legal locations, and they're soft shooters as is.
Most importantly, train, don't limit yourself to a less powerful or less capable weapon because it's just easier to use a pistol, easier doesn't give you remote wounding capabilities, it doesn't give you high velocity fragmenting, so on so forth.
Converting my .45 to .460 for home defence.
.460 hollow points=buckets of pink mist.
Also fires .45, for everyday carry.
>>27900341
>Missing a TV when I come out
Not a chance, Jamal is getting filled with 7.62x39 before he has a chance at raping my daughter or looting my fridge.
>>27902593
Well, I don't have a daughter. And I don't have a ton of worldly possessions I care about enough to kill or risk dying for, except in my mancave which is where I'm usually at anyway after dark. Most of my guns etc are always in there.
I'm not saying I absolutely won't come out with the vepr12 and wreck their day in anger with #1 buck, but I'm not committing to anything like that until it's actually happening. Luckily, I live in the rurals and chances are extremely low of needing to do that. HD for me usually involves a skunk or roaming dogs.
Given what y'alls saying, what round would you go with? Worth it for .45, or better with a smaller round?
>>27901609
Tfw your dog barks at literally everything so if he ever barks at a legitimate threat, there's a 99.9% chance I'll ignore it
>>27898461
Pistol caliber SBR with suppressor.
>>27898461
>What is best HD firearm?
The one you're good with.
>what caliber?
Anything but rimfire.
>>27901902
>Unlike long arms, it can be operated effectively with one hand while the other hand opens doors and flips switches, dials 911, frisks subdued intruders, drags small children to safety, etc.
Use a slinged rifle or carbine
Also pistols are hard to shoot with two hands, let alone one
>>27902817
>Luckily, I live in the rurals
Just remember, if the shit ever does go down, it'll be a long time before emergency services get to you.
>>27902515
WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT!?
>>27906120
>WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT!?
.460 rowland is to .45 what 10mm is to 9mm
Holy shit at the responses.
Now I know that this board is 90%+ no guns mall ninjas who get all their gun knowledge from CoD.
Why do riflefags think rifles are the best gun for EVERY situation?
>>27898461
>Pistol vs Shotgun?
The answer is a rifle.
>>27901566
That's why you wear your sunglasses at night
>>27902486
This
Most AR15s are light enough to hold one handed if you have too.
>>27901566
agreed
no more than 300
>>27906120
This
>>27906145
It's basically a super hot load of .45ACP
By super I mean twice the velocity and 4 times the muzzle energy.
>>27906164
>Hurr, all I need is muh pump-action shotgun
>>27903665
Love my .45
>>27898461
Shotguns are good for inexperienced gun users because it's point and shoot with most shells. You can also use slugs, wax slugs, buck and ball, and cut slugs to wreck someone's day.
Rifles are great for fairly obvious reasons. Lots of great rounds to punch holes in things. Overpenetration is a problem if you have neighbors though.
Pistols are great because of their size. Pistol calibers are mostly weak compared to common rifle rounds, but magnum rounds will give you a massive boost in energy transfer.
PDWs are top fun and have great capacity. If you can convert them to select fire, then you have a bullet hose.
>>27906199
I didn't know I wanted this.
>>27902515
I am literally going to make this purchase with my next pay period.
Also, this thread has been extremely informative.
>>27906344
Terminal ballistics comparable to 44 magnum, in a 10-13+1 semiautomatic pistol.
>>27906360
27+1 extendo
>>27902515
>tfw UMP-45 select fire rechambered to .460 Rowland
>>27906336
Overpenetration is less of a problem with rifles than it is with shotguns and handguns.
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>>27907358
>>27906120
>Just remember, if the shit ever does go down, it'll be a long time before emergency services get to you.
Yeah, I know it could be longer. Regardless, the chances are like 1000x lower of it happening to me.
But there's a fine establishment in town a couple miles away that almost always requires cops on duty during weekend nights.
>>27898461
.338 LAPUA
Real men shoot with real guns.
>>27898461
.357 mag
gp100, 686+
>>27906047
>pistols are hard to shoot with two hands
lolwut
>>27901933
>>27909077
>lapua
>man gun
oh child
>>27906167
Because aside from concealment or bird hunting, they are.
>>27906047
I practice almost exclusively with one hand.
>>27898461
>What is best HD firearm?
The answer is rifle chambered in intermediate round, firing defensive hollowpoint ammunition. The rounds will either stop inside their target, or when exiting will not continue on with lethal force.
Think about it:
Easy to use.
30 rounds on-board.
Accurate.
More compact than a shotgun.
Only thing handgun has on rifle is compactness. Handgun rounds are more likely to overpenetrate.
FAL
>>27900226
The funny thing about the "longer" shotgun is that a shouldered 18.5" barreled shotgun extends about as far away from your body as a full-sized pistol with your arms extended properly.
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>>27912065
>a shouldered 18.5" barreled shotgun extends about as far away from your body as a full-sized pistol with your arms extended properly.
I have a couple pistols, and a vepr12. And holy toledo, you're right.
And to be fair, I can shoot my shotgun just fine from the hip with pulled back a bit like one might do with a pistol in a cramped space. .
>>27906047
are you actually retarded
>>27912140
this, I can operate a carbine length rifle just fine with a free hand
just don't weigh down your gun with a bunch of shit
>>27901568
>Bonus points if it won't punch through walls and hit your neighbors.
Anything with enough punch to reliably drop a person has enough punch to go through common building materials if you miss.
>>27906047
>Pistols are hard to shoot
Maybe if you have no arm muscles. Granted, shooting pistols and shooting rifles are different, pistols are in no way difficult to shoot in any hand.
>>27901902
>frisks subdued intruders
You're doing it wrong.
>>27912305
Obviously. Intruders shouldn't be frisked. They should be killed. By horse cock.
>>27900226
Im not a lawyer but it seems like every time the criminal survives, they sue the evil violent racist homeowner that was economically oppressing them by not handing over his TV.
Whereas if the homeowner blew them away, then the hero has vanquished the unloved criminal scumbag and saved his family from being raped to death.
It seems like a shotgun would tie up those loose ends a lot neater. Also why no love for rifles? They dont penetrate better than the other two as long as you arent using rounds designed to penetrate. (FMJ)
>>27912658
Hearsay crap, cite some examples of homeowners being successfully sued for injuring an intruder.
Does it exist in some extreme cases where castle law didn't exist, and it was found the homeowner was batshit? (Like the guy that recorded himself killing two teens that repeatedly broke in) Yes, but it is no way "every time"
It's not an issue.
>>27907615
Why is that?
>>27914024
He means intermediate cartridges, and really I'd wager to say only the low mass high velocity ones like 5.56 or 5.45, and it's because they destabilize quicker than heavier rounds that hold momentum.
Flintlock pistol all the way.
>>27914024
Because lightly constructed high velocity 5.56mm and 5.45mm rounds disintegrate when they hit things. Handgun rounds are more heavily constructed because they need to stay as a solid mass to pass into people deeply enough the reliably kill while shotguns are solid lead pellets moving at relatively slow velocities.
>>27901508
best for every home defense situation
