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Time to post pics and discuss military weapons.
The middle one pictured just arrived at my house today. 3 down 1 to go.
>>27814609
I know a reasonable amount about milsurp rifles, but I feel like I've never actually bothered to learn what those are.
Rifles in pic OP?
Contributing
Because American
That cup was being disrespectful
>>27814626
Martini-Henry. From top to bottom are Mk I-III rifles.
Took the 1871/88 Beaumont/Vitali to the range for the first time a couple weeks ago. I'm fairly certain it's the first time it's been shot in at least 100 years. If you don't have the most interesting or unique gun at the range, then what's the point, right?
>>27814651
m1917 or p14?
I'll be shooting this in a Springfield / Military Bolt Rifle Match this weekend, hopefully the 2 groove barrel won't be too much of a handicap
Why is it almost impossible to find information on the G24(t), specifically which units it was issued to
>>27815409
because all that shit is usually still buried in obscure books sadly. might be something about it in here for example, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna track down a copy
http://www.amazon.com/Serbian-Yugoslav-Mauser-Rifles-Bogdanovic/dp/1882391357
>>27814609
Lovely Martinis. Ever shot any of em? Got a Martini-Enfield .303 yet?
>>27815596
I've shot the Mk III and it's rather fun. Got to get more brass and the proper bullet mould for it. No Martini-Enfield or Martini-Medfords yet.
>>27816009
Just got one of those last month to go with the MAS 36 and the Berthier I have.
>>27816030
Pics of your Lebel?
goddamn
>4chan will never not flip my photos
>>27817943
Also my phone lies to me and says the pic is attached when it isn't
>>27816009
>>27816030
Fuck you both.
>>27818975
no u
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Speaking of Milsurp Rifles.
How could History Channel get their rifles so wrong in The World Wars mini series?
Most of the rifles shown are SMLE mk3s or Nuggets. Only one m1917 is shown and not a single mauser.
Which is bothering considering the show focuses on America and Germany.
They even used a wrong tank. Though I will forgive them that. Since I imagine working ww1 tanks are hard to come by.
Gave my K98 a mineral spirits bath last night, never did a proper cleaning on it and I've had it almost a year now. Last I had it at the range I couldn't hit shit with it, noticed when I took it apart that the action screws weren't as tight as they could be, wondering if it was jumping around affecting accuracy. I'm gonna give her another chance before I declare it junk, the barrel is worn but not enough to cause problems I think.
My brother also was planning to go but got sick, so he asked if I wanted to test out his Winchester M1 Garand for him. Never shot an M1, was really fun.
Me and my cousins very tiny collection.
>>27824107
>History Channel
there you go
>>27824107
>WW1 Made Hitler A Madman
>WW2 Made Him A Monster
Im not a /pol/tard but i'm sensing some bias here.
>>27824107
>all rifles with straight bolt handles are nuggets
>>27814790
Army tested and they did not find significant difference between 2 / 4 / 6 groove barrels
>>27825131
An unbiased, neutral perspective on reality will generally be anti-Hitler.
>>27824173
>not owning an M1 Garand
absolutely un-American
>>27826064
I know :^(
But I have a Remington Mosin, thats kinda American
>>27814609
So besides the action being longer on the K11 and the action shorter on the K31. Is there any differences or are they the exact same rifle practically?
>>27826435
There are some other differences, such as the sights. K11 starts at 300 yards I think, where as the K31 starts at 100 yards, small difference. There are more but thats all I remember off the top of my head
>>27825976
no, there really were nuggets being used by the american soldiers in the ww1 scenes. The magazine/trigger assembly was dead give away.
americans were using SMLEs too. So were the germans.
>>27826451
post pictures
>>27826038
This t b h desu senpai
>>27826483
Could you guys rate my bore? I'm tyring to sell my K98 and would like to know the bore condition.
>>27826518
Near mint
>>27826518
Looks like theres some pitting but the rifling is strong so it would shoot just fine.
Here's the bore on my M91/30
How's my bore?
:^)
All my bore pictures turn out shitty and unfocused. Any tips?
>>27826529
>>27826547
I'm surprised, actually. Pretty sure this gun is a Russian Capture (bolt and trigger guard are force-matched to receiver, no 'X' mark on it). I didn't expect the bore to be this good.
>>27826581
Lord I hope thats a smoothbore
>>27826596
It is now. 1918 ShtLE III* that I inherited from my grandfather. It's a shame, all numbers matched and everything.
Got a newer barrel in the other day to replace it with.
>>27826643
Is it one of the .410 conversions? The British converted a number of them to single shot .410s to give to prison guards and the like, with the idea that if the prisoners broke out they would only have single shot shotguns while the British responding to take it back would have 10 shot rifles.
>>27826451
The Jokes on you, as the US Army did use M91s for training in WWI and for the shitty Polar Bear expedition into Russia.
>>27826701
But they never used them in the conflict with the Central Powers is the point.
>>27826695
I had that thought, but according to my calipers the bore is just too small for that. It's just a severely neglected Enfield I think.
>>27826695
>>27826748
They were done by the Indians, and they had a plug in the magazine well and no magazine.
>>27826643
that is a shame. It'd be a great piece to have in your collection otherwise
>>27827047
I have the Lebel, Berthier and MAS 36, but I still really want a MAS 49/56.
>>27826405
I NEED IT
>>27827047
that top rifle is fucking sexy
>>27814609
theres no mosin thread so im gonna pop my question in here:
how good is 8" at 100 yards for a mosin?
I think Im gonna buy a red 9 with stock. 1800 a decent price?
>>27828581
bad
>>27826643
In states where there was a longer smoothbore season, some hunters bought old milsurp with rough bores and got a gunsmith to "finish the job", removing all the rifling.
It sounds strange nowadays, but at the time in those regions it wasn't uncommon.
>>27814676
Hey where do you get the ammo for those things I've been wanting to get one but the ammo prices scare me
>>27831236
Not him, but unfortunately there's no easy or cheap way to get .577/450 Martini–Henry.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598853/bertram-reloading-brass-577-450-martini-henry-box-of-20
On the other hand, you could get a Martini Enfield in.303.
>>27831361
its pretty cheap to reload it.
>>27814609
Picked this up yesterday. I have yet to shoot it.
>>27832372
slide your upper handguard all the way back.
>>27832372
I wanna sand the stock down to the wood and refinish it. Arsenal rebuilt, the bottom magazine plate is the only non-matching original serial, but it was crossed out and marked with an electropencil. The rifling is great, normal crown, not a bad rifle for the price.
>>27832429
These are the pics from the ad, I haven't bothered to take pics of it myself yet, but that was fixed already when I met up with the dude. I've since disassembled and reassembled it and everything is where it should be.
>>27832441
take some denatured alcohol and rub it on to strip the shellac. the natural wood finish might actually look pretty good. if you, rub in some linseed oil.
>>27832441
you dont need to sand it all all to get down to the wood. you can strip it really easy with denatured alcohol or any stripper like citristrip
this is all my milsurp at the moment. buying a nugget tomorrow because I sold mine when they were still dirt cheap and have since realized the prices are only going up.
>>27832472
>>27832481
Denatured alcohol and linseed oil. Can I find it at a local hardware store?
>>27831236
>>27831361
The best way to get anmo for a Martini Henry is to reform 24ga shotgun brass. The Lee die set is pretty reasonably priced, and brass is pretty cheap. It's the only way to shoot one cheaply, at least until IMA imports the ammo that was found with the Nepal cache.
>>27832514
yeah
you can find it in walmart too.
I finished cleaning my M48 a few weeks ago, and I finally got some ammo today so I figured I'd see if it could chamber ammo fine before going to the range. I took out the firing pin beforehand so the gun can't misfire.
Naturally it doesn't, the rounds keep getting stuck when the bolt is about halfway forward, and I'm getting dings on the cases about half a cm behind the neck of the cartridges.
I'm guessing I have an extractor problem? Or does the fact I don't have the firing pin assembly in the bolt screw with it?
Thanks.
>>27832514
yes. Home Depot, Lowe's, even Walmart near the paint section. On one of my old nuggets I used a piece of #0000 steel wool soaked in denatured alcohol and just rubbed down the whole rifle until the shellac was gone. Wiped with a dry rag and then rubbed in Boiled Linseed Oil.
it came out decent. Certainly better than the peeling shellac that was on it.
>>27832548
Awesome, thanks for the advice bro. Here, have this small piece of hacksaw blade that definitely doesn't make your AR go full retard.
>>27832583
That looks tight, I've almost been thinking of doing something like this.
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>>27816340
Finally got home.
>>27832528
>at least until IMA imports the ammo that was found with the Nepal cache.
Nepal cache? This is news to me, what's the story behind that?
>>27832583
Did you forget to pretreat that wood before staining? Or did you just poor the stain over it?
>>27832785
reading not your thing? that's bare wood after stripping the shellac and applying a light coat of boiled linseed oil.
>>27832441
>I wanna sand the stock down to the wood and refinish it.
It will look like shit, just like all refinished turds. Ever wonder why 90% of the milsurp at gunshows don't sell? Because all the ones that aren't messed with sold.
>>27832551
Is it some of the new production Romanian made 7.92? They're out of spec and won't chamber right.
>>27832692
Nice!
Does anything match? What's the maker? Date? The top "Rosalie" bayonet looks original, the bottom one looks cut down, probably German modified. They cut them down on captured bayonets in both world wars. I really need one of those Rosalies!
>>27832908
Not really, was just astounded by how bad that looked if it was a staining job, since its just linseed I can see why, my bad friend.
>>27832920
Nope, it's Prvi Partisan.
Kind of a bummer since I bought a lot of it.
>>27832945
no big deal. I liked it a lot better than the shellac that was on it to begin with. I wound up selling it to my LGS and the owner said it was gone same day because some guy thought it looked awesome. I am jelly of your M39.
>>27832951
Are you inserting the rounds into the magazine before trying to chamber them? You have to do that with a Mauser.
>>27832962
Yeah I've never liked the look of linseed oil but I know a lot of guys do, and thanks, it's a real nail driver. To bad classic will never get any again unless there's another shipment. Have a little nugget and japshit.
>>27832985
Yep, I put them in the magazine, and then when I move the bolt forward, it picks up one round and it gets about halfway into the chamber and then the round just hangs up.
>>27833007
Nice T38 carbine! What series and manufacturer is it?
>>27833019
It could be a magazine spring issue or the follower is dinged up.
>>27832628
tiger striping is actually the wood itself. I guess you could try to stain a stock to replicate it
>>27833026
Its a Nagoya 5th series all matching, but the mum got the file unfortunately.
Pic is somewhat milsurp.
>>27833042
Initially I thought it was a spring problem but it has a failure to feed regardless of which round is in the magazine.
From what I've read people have suggested polishing the chamber which makes sense since it looks a little rough in there.
>>27832920
Actually, refinished wood can look amazing. Most milsurp has been refinished during its lifetime anyway. For US wood GI's were instructed to rub on BLO anyway. There is nothing wrong with putting more on
>>27833071
>Actually, refinished wood can look amazing.
Sanded and refinished wood looks just as it's sounds. Sanded and refinished.
>Most milsurp has been refinished during its lifetime anyway.
Some has, that's not an excuse to do such a thing.
>For US wood GI's were instructed to rub on BLO anyway. There is nothing wrong with putting more on
Other than it doesn't need it?
The oil finish on this stock is 100% original. Why would I want to remove it's 100 year old stock patina?
Also, not every finish was oil. Some woods don't take oil finishes that well. And some methods can downright ruin the wood, like the idiots who use oven cleaner to "clean" the stocks.
>>27832920
It's Tulle, but non-matching, unfortunately. The person I bought it from said they got it off a "kind of sketchy taliban-looking guy who claimed he was on our side" in a bazaar in Kandahar. The bottom bayonet came with it, while I had bought the top bayonet about a year ago at a gun show for $50.
>>27833054
Crop your picture dumbass
>>27832748
The cache of Martini Henry rifles that were found in Nepal several years ago. They've been in storage for over 100 years so condition of the guns vary. The cache was equally bought by IMA and Atlanta Cutlary. They've only imported a portion of the guns and none of the ammo. The guns are stacked like cord wood in their warehouse and it's only about 1/3 of what was found.
>>27833646
Got a linksky? Also gratz mang.
>>27833175
Thats not how the stock came out of the factory obv. Its had GI's armorers and other people rubbing shit on it over its life. It also looks dry which would be a reason to give it another coat. Its a nice stock though. Shame that the krags metal was not taken care of in the same manner. You have like 0% case hardening left, that and a light PITina
>>27833703
>>27833646
It says the auction ended and the reserve was not met. So im guessing its not a grats man. That looks like an M44 and they are around 300 retail now
>>27832551
Well after some more inspection and cleaning, I found pic related.
I'm assuming this isn't normal, is this something I can file down or am I just fucked?
I can chamber rounds now, however I have to ram them in pretty hard and it's scratching the cases.
>>27833175
>posts a picture of a krag with sanding around the side plate
>>27833870
holy crap. It looks like your barrel is cracked at the throat. You can rebarrel it. If you keep shooting it like that it can harm the reciever.
>>27833893
Er, the line to the right of what I think is a chip isn't a crack, that's a shadow from the flash which was the only way I could get a good picture of the chip.
What is the most budget-friendly Mauser to get that is at least refurbed from a rifle used in WW2?
>>27834023
If you do some hunting you can find Russian capture German K98s for $400-500, really depends on how much your budget is. I found a Czech'd (or so I think) German K98 for $300, shes worn and I need to try to see how well it shoots after giving it a mineral spirits bath, but other then that its a good gun.
>>27833835
>It also looks dry which would be a reason to give it another coat.
Contrary what you may hear on the internet, the stock oil DOES NOT "freshen" the stock, nor does it keep the stock from drying out. The stock oil's purpose is only to keep excess moisture out of the stock. That's all it's there for. If you reoil a stock all you are doing is putting more oil on top of oil as the oil only penetrates the first few millimeters of the wood at best.
> Shame that the krags metal was not taken care of in the same manner. You have like 0% case hardening left, that and a light PITina
Case hardening finish does not last long.
>>27833876
That's not sanding, that's the grain of the wood.
>>27833849
i can't bring myself to pay 300.00 for m44 nugget, But 200.00 for m91 I dunno...must look so beat to shit.
>>27833703
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520240597#PIC
>>27834049
I'm trying to do some research, but it seems like all the Yugo's, except for M98/48, aren't German at all. Am I wrong on that?
>>27834112
I think they were refurbished from K98s or built using the tooling, something along those lines. I don't remember to be honest.
>>27834062
Son. That is not natural wood grain. It's been sanded.
Bubba'd 1916 Spanish Mauser in 8mm.
May need some work to un-bubba it.
Any of you remember ol crater face?
>>27834622
She done got a facelift.
>>27822665
no u
>>27826435
the action on the K31 is much stronger.
>>27828581
bad
slug your bore
>>27834023
Not exactly a K98, but I got a Vz.24 which is aesthetically similar to a Yugo postwar Mauser. The price was pretty good, about $230 for matching serials.
>>27834787
>>27834282
no its not. my Arisaka jas the same lok to parts of the wood. the softer wood between the grain degrades somewhat
>>27834806
That early crest was only used on the Vz.98/22 long rifles. Means your Vz.24 has a recycled or leftover receiver from earlier production.
>>27834112
many rifles were refurbed in Yugoslavia post-war. i have an M48 that started life as an M24 but was refurbed in 1952-3
>>27834112
The last Mausers that Serbia bought from Germany were the Model 1910 rifles, still in 7x57mm. After WW1 the Serbs got a bunch of Gew.98 Mausers from Germany and Austro-Hungarian M1914 Mausers (requisitioned Mexican, Colombian and Chilean Steyr M1912 rifles). These were re-built in the late '20s-early '30s into M24b rifles chambered in 8x57.
>>27834867
Makes sense, it's a Persian export. Good to know. It may not have the classic Mauser rear sights but I still adore it for it's charm. The wood on milsurp rifles really make you wonder where they've been.
I got a swiss k11 from 1916
>>27835124
Looks good, have a bayonet for it?
>>27826586
Hows the blueing? Are the swastikas and waffenamts peened off? I used to think my K98 was a RC but turns out it was a Romanian capture
>>27835390
How hard is it to find 8x56?
>>27835189
no it didn't come with one, it only came with the original sling
i can get a bayonet for it, but im waiting for the non serialized ones to get back in stock
>>27834955
>it's a Persian export
Those numerals on the sight leaf are Turkish Arabic, not Farsi. You sure you don't have a Vz.98/22? The ones sold to Turkey had a new rear sight leaf with Arabic numerals marked 4-21 (for 400-2100 meters).
>>27831361
its cheaper to resize brass 25 gauge shotshell
>>27835598
You're right about that actually, I confused the two trying to read up on it never really bothering to read up on the rear sights (yet to shoot it). This one was refitted in 1923. For $230, I still know I got a pretty good deal on it.
>>27835727
Aww shit "B"-block! Pound it, son!
>>27833386
Cool. It looked like an Afghan bringback because of the lack of bluing.
What's the barrel date? And what's the serial number? I ask because the Afghans were known to scrub the real barrel date and stamp something before 1899. It didn't take them that long to figure out our retarded laws. Better yet, post a pic of the date if you can. It should look like this, not some haphazard crap stamps.
>>27834622
>>27834648
Looks nice. You do know the bolt is marked DP, right? Is there anything else marked DP?
>>27835751
Hell yeah, that's awesome! I'll have to take some better pictures of it soon.
How would you guys rate my grandpa's M1 Carbine he used in Korea? Late 1943-Early 1944 manufacture from Saginaw SG with matching barrel and receiver, rebuilt at RIA post-war. Haven't stripped it yet to see who made the stock, bolt, etc.
>>27834581
>1916 Spanish Mauser in 8mm
I have some bad news for you anon
>>27835891
Just so you know no one really cares about matching parts on M1 Carbines. Not a single manufacturer made all the parts so there are no completely matching M1 Carbines.
>>27835949
Also the only serialized part should be the receiver.
>>27835949
>>27835991
I already knew M1 Carbines don't match. I don't know most of this shit though, as I decided to take a look at the markings a few hours ago out of boredom.
Fun fact, this was the first gun I ever fired as a little 4 year old babby.
>>27836253
The only things that would make a USGI carbine signifacantly more valuable are Rock-Ola parts or if it wasn't rearsenaled.
>>27833590
It kind of pisses me off they aren't importing them faster while at the same time increasing prices.
>>27831361
>>27831236
>>27832528
Allen's Armory has them for 2 bucks a round of Kynoch. Though you need to order at least 5 boxes of it and apparently it isn't safe to fire so you need to pull the bullets and anneal the brass.
http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=82
Purchased my first pistol. AC 43 P38. All matching, has some pitting on the barrel but other than that looks like it is in good shape.
>>27836431
I've heard the primers are really corrosive and the brass is prone to splitting.
I'd buy the brass from someone who makes them out of 20 gauge shot shells.
>>27836534
That's why I said you need to pull them, also would probably be a bother to reload because they are berdan primed. ther was a guy who operated out of email [email protected] that had them for about 1.80 each but I'm not sure if they are still selling.
>>27836560
That sounds really affordable. I'll look him up.
>tfw at gun show this weekend
>tfw 1916 model 8mm lebel rifle with N barrel
>tfw original stock
>tfw the dealer told me straight up he "put some polyurethane on the stock to make it look purdy"
>tfw thought that warranted $500
He also had a cerakoted Mosin in an Arch stock he was wanting $450 for. A hex receiver with a 1948 barrel, which I thought was a bit odd. Might have been worth a buy had he not fucked with it.
But did score an original Tec DC-9 in it's factory box with three factory magazines and barrel extension for $300 cash.
>>27836431
And don't be fooled by his website, he's good people.
Some of these old farts don't know shit about computers but they've been in the business longer than some people on this forum have been alive. Shotgun News and all
I bought a Gahendra rifle when IMA was having a sale. It's in pretty good condition, the action works well and there doesn't seem to be any pitting on the barrel/receiver. Stock is beat to shit, but that was to be expected.
Is regular Martini-Henry ammo able to be fired out of these? Do they require reduced loads?
>>27836757
I'd reduce loads just to CYA. Keep in mind these weren't stored or found in the best conditions when IMA got 'em, what, probably 10-15 years ago now.
>>27836773
Yeah, I was expecting a wall hanger when I ordered it, but it came out pretty nice under all the gunk. Once I find some brass I'll probably just shoot light BP loads from it.
>>27836650
>forum
>>27836805
where do you think you are friend?
Well you are on a Pakistani finger painting and terrorist training forum.
>>27826518
8/8
>>27837526
And here I thought we were on a Taiwanese watercolor board.
>>27833386
You didn't buy it off Gunbroker did you? Because if so, that seller says the same thing about ALL his Lebels. Also says they're the last ones he'll have (until the next one comes in).
>>27836560
>>27836575
FWIW I got my .43 beaumont brass from Xring a few months ago, formed from 32 ga magtech shotshells. dude's legit
>>27836431
I've shot that stuff. It likes to hang fire and does like to split the cases if you don't reanneal the brass. And even if you do that then you have the extra large Berdan primers to deal with if you want to reload them.
>>27835774
Seriously dawg
>>27836448
That's an awesome pistol, how much did you pick it up for?
>>27835774
Nah, just the cocking piece is marked. The original (mismatched) bolt was fairly fubar. Taking the firing pin out the stub the cocking piece slides around sheared off, and the end of the firing pin threads turned to dust.
Liberty tree has NOS bolt bodies so i got one and the round cocking piece to go with it.
I didn't actually notice the DP until you mentioned it. I can't imagine it being so bad, but it may explain why the safety doesn't like to stay down anymore.
>>27832920
>It will look like shit, just like all refinished turds
That's subjective, I've seen plenty of refinished rifles that looked beautiful. I have seen some wretched ones though. At least its just a 91/30.
>Ever wonder why 90% of the milsurp at gunshows don't sell? Because all the ones that aren't messed with sold.
I honestly don't think I will care too much if I don't sell my $160 rifle right away. I didn't exactly plan on reselling it, just a cheap range toy. Maybe take her out hunting, not sure yet.
>>27814725
where/how did you get ammo for that? ive shot .41 swiss rimfire but havent fired my beaumont yet
>>27839570
lrn2focus
>>27837697
nope, sorry.
>>>/a/
there is your water coloring board bud.
>>27840811
I can tell, it was the only ray of sunshine before the snow/sleet clouds came back :)
Anyone have a Vetterli Rifle? I've seen some around for 350-500 bucks, seems a good price for a rifle that old. Is ammo nonexistent?
>>27840811
I'm still jelly of your chink M1903.
>>27837707
I guess I may have fucked up on that bit, then. Still, at least I have a Lebel?
>>27841172
I've seen them for around that price, though the original rimfire ammo for it is supposed to be practically non-existant. However, I also heard that there are conversion bolts to a slightly less "extinct" round, although it would still likely mean making your own ammo.
>>27840380
see
>>27836560
>>27837800
>>27841172
I have one of these as well. Ammo is non existent for the most part.
Is the Schmidt Rubin 1886 from classic firearms any good? Saw it for sale. Seems expensive compared to the k31s.
>>27844027
black powder, as good as any Swiss rifle, just a lot more rare than a K31 since it is much older.
>>27844092
Well it looks like they're out of stock anyway. Too bad, the 12 rd mag looked pretty cool.
>>27836636
>But did score an original Tec DC-9 in it's factory box with three factory magazines and barrel extension for $300 cash.
The firing pin will break if you dry fire it. Use snap caps.
>>27843301
How much do reloading tools cost? I know you need a press to seat the bullet, anything else?
>>27846616
Not him but a basic Lee press costs about $120 and the dies are about $80-90 (cheapest I could find was here http://www.titanreloading.com/577450-martini-henry-3-die-steel but going to ebay might be cheaper because of shipping) .
It's important to note the cheaper presses aren't going to work unfortunately. You need one that can accept the Large Series dies which are 1 1/4-12 threading while the standard Lee size is 7/8-14 which the budget ones are solely designed for.
Can't seem to find bullets but moulds are about $80-90 (cheapest being on ebay but without handles) and you pretty much need it for bullets or it'll be about a dollar for them alone. Speaking of ebay there are chamber adapters that shoot .45 but it isn't very accurate apparently without doing some weird things with heeled bullets and the such
Cases as were mentioned are available at [email protected] for about $45 for a box of 25.
So total you are looking at $330 startup costs and that is without going into powder and primers, lead you could find if you look around. Pretty expensive but with something like Martini Henry it'll start paying for itself within 70 or so rounds.
>>27826064
I will not get one until the Korean Garands come home, a rifle from two of my home countries is a must for me.
>>27848268
Its not gonna happen
>>27842654
You didn't fuck up at all, I just know that's his selling point. And fuck you, I wanted that Lebel....
Stupid Fallout 4 making upgrade my PC instead of buying milsurp...
>>27848843
Then I will go to Korea myself and make sure they are safe until it can be voted out.
>tfw told dad about it and he got super excited to buy one and fly in vet grandfather to shoot one
>this was 2012
>grandpa will never shoot garand
>>27848929
You wont either if you wait for a korean one
>>27848908
I'm sure he'll find another 'shady looking taliban guy' so you'll have you're chance yet.
>>27843301
>>27836560
>>27836575
>>27847885
I just emailed him and he said his supply of 24 gauge brass is spent and he doesn't know when he'll get more, just that he will be resupplied eventually.
Also the 45 dollar price is for Gunboards members only, standard price is apparently 49.50 so I guess if you want to make an account and PM him for a discount you could.
>>27836448
Get another one and search for treasure in Manchuria.
>>27849898
There are a couple on Gunbroker right now, but my discretionary income for the month is gone, and I still need to get a VEPR 12 before they're import banned.
>>27850371
>implying it will get the ban hammer
Though I suppose it might be prudent, didn't really like the VEPR 12 at my range and didn't really see an advantage over a normal semi auto shotgun besides reload times and even that is a but silly when you may as well carry a proper rifle if you are going to be doing high speed low drag reloading constantly.
>>27850398
>Implying it won't
We're either getting Jeb "Better dead than Red" Bush or Hillary "Queen Drone-Em-All" Clinton. They're getting sanctioned.
>>27848268
>>27848929
There have already been M1 rifle and M1 carbines imported from Korea. They were imported by Blue Sky in the 80s and nearly all were shot to hell. It wasn't uncommon for you to be able to drop a .30 call bullet straight down the barrel. Often, especially for the carbines, the barrels were bulged, sometimes even multiple times from squib loads being shot out. The Koreans also bought out of spec M1 carbine barrels that the US Army had already rejected.
You can still find them and usually for cheap because no one wants a Blue Sky import marked rifle or carbine, even if they have a good barrel.
Also, some of the imports had the import stamped so deep it bent the barrel. lol
>>27850398
I've come to the sad conclusion that mag fed shotguns just suck balls. Too much bulk for any real purpose. Ultimate range toy novelty.
>>27834083
>>>27833849
>i can't bring myself to pay 300.00 for m44 nugget, But 200.00 for m91 I dunno...must look so beat to shit.
Agreed. My first ever gun purchase was an M44, unissued in the original oilpaper wrapper out of a crate that was rotting around itself. $99. After I fell in love with it I spread the word by buying 2 crates for $2600 (20 rifles a crate, $65 a rifle.) I forget who the importer was but the dealer I got them through just wanted $100 to process the transaction and the seller threw in two cases of nugget food on top. $2700, kept five rifles myself, made $700 in the end and had a lot of buddies who were happy with their "Awesome Historical Soviet WWII Era rifles!"
(Mind you, this was 1998. I miss the days of the sub-100 nugget.)
>>27824173
What rifle is 3rd from left?
>>27850641
And...? Novelty is as good a reason to buy a gun as any other.
Also my wife is too short to work a traditional pump shotgun. A VEPR, with the short length of pull and more rearward weight, is a good option for her to use for some shotgunning.
>>27851232
K-11 long rifle. or maybe an 1896/11
>>27846616
dies for the 43 beaumont are fuck-you money, but I'm just using an old 45acp sizing die and just neck sizing my fired brass after annealing the neck to help it last longer. I actually pulled the seating insert out of my 45 die and chucked it into my drill press as a way to seat the bullets on the cheap. I wouldn't recommend cutting corners like that unless you've done a fair bit of reloading already and know what you're doing. get started with a nice easy caliber like 38 special or something that's cheap and hard to fuck up. Starter kits will generally run a couple hundred, hornady makes good stuff, rcbs can be a little overpriced, lee dies are fantastic if you're on a tight budget.
>>27844027
>>27844092
>>27844136
powder was technically semi-smokeless, and a light charge of IMR4198 will work just fine in handloads for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5%C3%9755mm_Swiss
it's a pretty goddamned cool rifle
>>27840811
how does one take photos with focus like this? Every time I try, I only get a small portion of my rifles in focus.
>inb4 low serial shitstorm
>>27841172
i paid $150 for mine. i wouldn't spend more than $300 for one personally, but that's just me. as it's been said, ammo hasn't really been around in any capacity for a long time. you'll find a loose round here and there, but it's collectors stuff at this point.
>>27841779
it's always up for the right offer, though i don't have any idea what the right offer is.
>>27851668
with that pic i was shooting at f/1.8 with a 50mm lens. side shots of guns like that it's mostly just getting the angle right. but if you really want to increase the depth of field, bump the aperture up.
>>27851923
> ammo hasn't really been around in any capacity for a long time
Dang shame, really neat rifle. don't much like messing with bolts either so if I ever get one it'll be mainly as a show piece unless someone starts fabricating bolts...
>>27851923
It's got a Hatcher hole, it's safe.
>>27851923
> it's always up for the right offer, though i don't have any idea what the right offer is.
I'll give you about Tree-Fiddy
>>27850539
My Blue Sky Import shoots like a champ
>>27853299
i got mine because i thought it was a really neat rifle. bolt conversions are bubbaing as far as i'm concerned. i wouldn't expect anybody to start making bolts though. they're obscure 110+ year old rifles that would only be made to shoot a slightly less unobtanium round
>>27853566
that's not what some anons like to try to convince me of
>>27851545
Don't you have to shorten the brass as well?
