If the Vietnam war started today rather than in the 60's, how different would things be?
>>27785511
>gulf of tonkin fabrication and war crimes will be exposed at internet speed
the US will lose even more pathetically
>>27785544
This.
>>27785511
Depending on how quickly the US took action
Let's say our invasion is swift and decisive like Gulf War I-- solid Intel and groundwork, pretty much were ready to rock
If the conflict is over in under a month with decimated leadership and NVA dead. If we have destroyed VC leadership as well too quick before they can escape to Cambodia etc.
Then the war would be over, I would bet we may even be able to avoid insurgency if we destroy enough of the Commie government and its supporters
If we miss taking out enough leadership
Insurgency without end
Support from China
Conflict spills over into Cambodia etc
Also may actually be more difficult than Afghanistan or Iraq not because of terrain but the proximity to China who could supply new and higher quality arms and gear easier than long supply lines from shady deals stretching from Russia through the Balkans and shit-Stan countries
One of the things that made vietnam such a "dirty" and unpopular war was the unprecedented media coverage that bombarded Americans with all the horrors and shit.
Now we have 24/7 news media that'll turn that war into a second holocaust if it were to happen today.
>>27785511
sjw will make America lose.
>>27785511
They would still get the oil from SE Asia like they are now.
>>27785511
>>27785511
Nothing would have changed really because we didn't learn the lessons yet, and as such are doomed to repeat most of the mistakes again.
They'd probably win the war tactically but lose culturally because the Internet/wikileaks/smartphones and cameras everywhere would expose war crimes really fast and our current news media would swell on them for fucking ever. Plus the lefties of today make the 60s hippies look like wholesome God-fearin' family types by comparison, so there'd be even more backlash from the public. It'd be the same story as every war since Korea: prolonged, expensive conflict with no clear motives other than "muh terrorism" or "muh communism" and no concrete strategy or goals to work towards; trillions in government expenditure that gets saddled on the next generation, liberal sentiments fomented by activists who would point to the war as the failure of "traditional values" (while the actual culprits, defense contractors and businessmen, get away with no flak from the press and billions in their pockets), and veterans would get treated like shit by the government and the general public.
Nothing would be different except for the camo pattern and the music.
>>27785641
So exactly like the actual Vietnam war?
>>27785511
We go into North Vietnam like nobody's business because neither China nor Russia give a shit about them anymore.
>robot drones blasting "it ain't me" 24/7
>>27785511
NV would still overtake SV, if all political and social conditions were still in place.
That was the driving force since 62, was the driving force of French instability.
No amount of U.S military force (outside of outright genocide) could overcome fundamental flaws in U.S. strategic policy in Vietnam.
That was the flaw. I can not even comprehend what Vietnam would in stature would look like today, largely because of circumstances like Vietnam such circumstances are unlikely to exist.
I am drunk, and that is a factor in my argument.
Charlie wouldnt own the night
>>27786876
>it ain't me
What did he mean by this?
>>27786876
>implying that they blast numetal,shitty edm and gansta rap
>>27787417
>*wont
>>27787358
He tried to say "fortune son."
Poor thing.
>>27787358
He ain't no fortunate sun.
>>27787358
lel emblying he ain't no sen. son fucking faggot
>>27787358
CCR's Fortunate Son
>>27787002
It would be interesting to see what Vietnam would have looked like after 50-odd years of communism. Probably starving and poor as shit like all the others but who knows
>>27787530
about as bad as america after 50 years of consumerism desu senpai
>>27787358
>>27786876
please kill me, /tv/ is everywhere now
>>27787541
We might be uncultured degenerates but at least we can go to the store and consistently find it stocked with food kek
>>27787662
>bawww people are referencing things I don't like
Come back here when the last of your baby teeth fall out faggot
>>27787662
/tv/ is the most powerful memeboard on 4chan, even more powerful than /pol/ at this point.
With baneposting opening the gates for the revisiting of old films to make into memes, they have unlimited content.
See: Sheev palpantine and the resurgence of Episode 1-3 posting.
>>27787697
I'm not even mad, I like /tv/ memes for the most part, but /tv/ has spread a lot. That explains the recent abundance of pedos here (which makes NO sense given the board topic).
>>27788013
you're on fucking 4chan its always been like this
>>27788021
/tv/ has always been one of the worst boards for that because of people stalking child actresses. Why would they be on a board for discussing weapons?
>>27785511
>>27785592
Yep, also, no napalm and no agent Orange.
>>27787662
>>27787712
>>27788013
>>27788045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxUskbSn8jo&ab_channel=CrashingThisPenn
>>27785511
>all that rape that'd get exposed
Well hopefully with more jungle you could away with a lot more.
But if I had to choose a time to fight in Nam it would've been the 60s or earlier.
>you will never unload into VC bitch before putting her out of both your miseries
Hard time for hard people.
See the problem is this scenario would be pretty hard to put together
>This assumes SV and NV are still duking it out for decades
>Our current military doctrine, built on the lessons of conflicts like Vietnam, would look radically different
>We may be using entirely different equipment altogether since its an alternate timeline
>Due to today's media shit would probably get out of hand rapidly
But in my opinion there's just too many different things going on to have a concrete answer. Things would be too different. Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
>>27787530
Communism is an idealistic thing, written by people who forget that power often corrupt. It can't last 50 years, because the people would have revolted long before then
>>27788780
>Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
>door-gunner
>get some
>>27788780
>Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
>get some
>GET SOME
>>27785511
we'd do it in the desert
/r9k/ is objectively better for memes, baneposting is god tier but pepe is too powerful now and /pol/ is just fat stormfaggots and not even funny ones either
>>27788780
That's actually probably the most sensible answer I've seen in a "what if..." Thread...
Cell phone cameras and go pros...
The war would be very heavily documented but even more so considering the horrible side effects of agent orange(now legally a pesticide used on US grown crops).
Wonderful how the internet works when you work it...
>Is it a FAMAS?
Would no longer be a meme. A great loss to /k/ommando culture.
>>27785511
Presuming French colonialism is extended few more decades to match the pre-game. There would be no Vietnam war.
>Reagan somewhat less likely to say "Fuck off slant eye, we have more important issues" than Wilson to a pro-West nation
>Vietnam may either become a nuclear power or be scorched depending on the French government vs citizen's stance on the value of Foreign Legion lives
>>27785625
>>27785641
>>27786801
That's right guys, it was all the hippies at home in the United States that lost the war.
Despite dropping more bombs than everyone in WW2 combined.
Despite half a million deployed troops.
No, it was the hippies protesting the war!
It has nothing to do with a foe determined to earn their independence from their colonizers no matter the cost.
Just like we would have never won the Revolutionary War without all those pot-smoking King's Draft dodgers holding back the might of the British Empire.
>>27787323
Charlie don't surf
>>27791082
charlie pls go
>>27790334
>agent orange(now legally a pesticide used on US grown crops).
Do you have a citation for that, or did your tinfoil hat just kick in?
>>27786876
It's fortunate son you uncultured swine
![1424363146138[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8DoeoEZ.jpg "1424363146138[1].jpg")
>>27790254
or FLIR footage of gooks attempting to hide in jungle bunkers while getting drone bombed
Also Pic rails and tactical shit everywhere, will be almost like that shitty COD black ops game
One thing that sucks though is that the music will be all shitty hip hop or pop music and not the epic classic rock from the 60's
>>27785511
newsflash
it already has
syria ? ukraine ?
>>27785511
Tfw no carpet bombing anymore.
Why even live?
>>27791735
FLIR sees through trees and shit?
>>27791558
it's a /tv/ meme, faglord
>>27785511
If this is the scenario where there is no rules of engagement then shit the war would be more interesting to watch and I may even get to join up on kicking down some fucking terrorists!
But if it still has that goddamn rule of engagement well fuck that I won't join and the war would be over very quickly due to the united states pussified around in not to hurt the enemies feelings.
>war is war so treat it like a war!
>>27791941
You can't join. You won't pass the rudimentary psych eval. It's geared toward weeding out psychopaths like you.
>>27786789
>and the music.
>implying we wouldn't blast it ain't me 24/7
Don't give him (You)'s, all he wants is attention.
>>27792299
I won't fail the test but I do not like to be told when I can take a shit on the enemy or not and I sure as fuck do not want any pussy bitch to go up and bark down bullshit orders on me when we are there to fucking kill the goddamn enemies!
Do away the regulations and you will all know what real war is and trust me when the day rules of engagement is gone I'M FIRST IN LINE FOR THE MILITARY FUCK YEAH!
>>27792340
>>it ain't me
>>27787683
I love how no one can really debate this. The most they can pull is lolamerifat, but it still means they actually can eat.
Oh, and a reminder that the US lost the Vietnam War when the NVA invaded Washington, publicly stormed the White House and Gerald Ford was executed. That is why the US should feel bad about it forever and we have threads like this every week.
>>27792535
It wouldn't be an issue of we just stayed over there longer and used more firepower on the peasents over there and ignored the liberal hippies.
Literally the only reason we lost the fucking war was because the united states stopped being the united states and became a damn (thats racist wah wah wah!)
They should have allowed me take full cobtrol of the military force but I wasn't around at that time so they got fucked hard.
>>27786876
>you will never fight inna sandbox with a drone overhead blasting trap queen
Why even live?
>>27792660
You can go fuck someone from this place.
obama tosses out some weak ass sanctions.
declares a red line. then watches it get crossed several times and still do nothing.
>>27792349
Oh but you would fail the test. There's a thing about good order and discipline in the military. That's the difference between the military and a random collection of spree killers.
Warfare is about enforcing your national will. It's not about letting your psychopathic tendencies have free rein. You would be a terrible soldier in any army, because you're a psychopath.
Would modern doctrine even allow for 'Search and Destroy' over the pacification of the coastal villages?
>>27792831
How about you just go shove your lovey dovey hippy shit up your sons ass and go fuck your own son while your wife is off fucking someone else because your a disregarded cunt.
War is a fucking war and it has nothing to do with hurr durr be peaceful you guys it has to be fucking kill or be fucking killed.
I would be the best goddamn fuckimg marine or a sniper or a goddamn fucking gunner of the DAMN GUNNER OF THE FUCKING TANK!
But no we now got regulations and laws and all of that crap and I FUCKING HATE OUR MILITARY ON HOW PUSSY BENDING IVER IT HAS BECOME GODDAMNIT I HPPE YOU ALL FUCKING DIE!
>>27792971
>implying your bitch ass would last 5 minutes in actual combat
COD SO AWESOME EXPLOSIONS DEATH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Right.
>>27791149
Agent orange was a mixture of two different chemicals. One was found to be hazardous and has since been banned in this country, but not across the world. The other, if used properly is safe and has been done so for decades. This isn't something new here.
>>27792971
Pls go.....
>>27792971
Officially /k/'s worst tripfag, taking the coveted position from DR8CO. He might be an asshole, but you're just a troll in a whole other level.
>Hiroyuki, pls ban this autist
>>27786876
Why they just don't use a mule?
>>27793213
desu Zed was #1 with draco coming in as a close second
>>27792831
what happens when enforcing my nations will requires killing the enemy?
>>27792971
you are the dumbest faggot of a trip i have seen
>>27793213
every time someone responds, the troll grows
this is seriously day 1 internet stuff m8
>>27791918
Its dumb, just like you.
>>27785511
Something besides It aint me would be playing
>>27791082
it was you ignorant shithead, if the U.S were allowed to do whatever they want the war would of ended in U.S favour, albeit with the jungle scorched to ash
>>27785625
>Implying there was not less footage Iraq and the military did not learn its lesson and ban most filming
dicknigger
>>27792971
>washed up edgelord
>>27793601
Yeah just a few tens of thousands more dead teenage draftees and we would have won!
>>27785511
the US could actually win because the censorship of media today makes the communist propaganda look good
>>27793254
I personally love our top 3 shitposting tripfags. They give me many lols at how ungodly retarded they are. Ever try having a decent conversation with antman? It's fucking impossible because he refuses to admit he is wrong about anything. Zed is a fucking clown, I once saw him post in a thread just so people would reply to him and eventually help the OP. Fuck dr8co though, that guy is the biggest autist of them all.
>>27791856
If the coverage is light enough or the underbrush is warm enough yes
>>27791735
>Flir seeing through Jungle
>Biggest problem with flir is it gets cockblocked by trees
>>27791941
>Flash forward to gook rumors of corpses piled around ant hills
>>27785544
>>27785544
>Gulf of Tonkin fabrication
mouth breather detected
>>27793601
>Jungle scorched to ash
>No mosquitos
Worth the cost
>>27785511
Like our last 14 years in Afghanistan, but shittier.
>>27785511
it would be called the war on terror
>>27788080
I wonder if they ever did anal to them?
>>27794287
>still believes in five decades old government lies
>>27794456
>I have no proof other than the confusion that comes with sudden attacks and my own preconceived view of the event
>>27794497
>no proof
what are the Pentagon Papers and numerous investigations into the veracity of the Johnson administration since the war that all agree he was a lying sack of shit
>my own preconceived view of the event
the irony, it is too much
>>27786789
Desert storm went by pretty well, but yeah Vietnam showed us it's near impossible for us to win a war without the support of the public.
>>27786876
>>27793263
Not a problem. You do it quickly, in a professional manner, and move on to the next task.
The reason military organizations require good order and discipline is to make the business of war more efficient. It's already wasteful enough without a bunch of teenaged autistic psychopaths like Ant Man making it worse.
>>27792991
I'm fully aware of that. I use 2,4D on a weekly basis. It's called Round Up. It's not Agent Orange, though.
>>27792971
>I would be the best goddamn fuckimg marine or a sniper or a goddamn fucking gunner of the DAMN GUNNER OF THE FUCKING TANK!
Naw. You just don't have the self discipline to carry out the mission. You're a psychopath, those never do well in a military setting.
You should see if you can find work in a slaughterhouse. Some of the smaller ones might hire your kind.
>>27795332
>You're a psychopath, those never do well in a military setting
topkek
>>27791558
>thatsthejoke.png
>>27794868
This.
If being kill happy pyschopaths who routinely brutalize civilian and military personel alike, then ISIS would be the best army in the fucking world, and we know that the only reason they still exist is because no nation with a modern, disciplined army has the will or the resources to put a stop to them.
>>27794049
>Zed uses his powers for good
He's not the hero we need, but he's the hero we deserve.
>>27795530
>and we know that the only reason they still exist is because no nation with a modern, disciplined army has the will or the resources to put a stop to them.
>not because the US government is protecting ISIS
>>27793601
>in U.S favour
>being known as the country that went ape retarded and obliterated a meaningless country that had aspirations to be like America until America took its leash off Japan and let it rape the entire region
>in U.S favour
>more attempts to install puppet governments with random ass hardline Catholics that want to oppress all other religions
>in U.S favour
>literally the only gain is winning an argument with France on whether it's a good idea or not to crawl around in a ballsack sweaty jungle with angry people all around you
>>27786876
That's a big drone
A great success just like how Iraq and Afghanistan are thriving healthy democracies free from the threat of radical islam today
>>27785511
We would have invaded north vietnam instead of just played a defensive war in south vietnam.
>>27791082
lol you are so fucking stupid, even the leader of the north vietnamese army admitted in his book that if it wasn't for the hippies freaking out with media coverage they would ahve gave up after the tet offense
>>27794497
even the UN accords at the time make the US look pants on head retarded
>>27792584
You the point of my post.
>>27794287
Dude, well-respected military personnel have stated that at least the second "incident" was pure bullshit and the US was simply firing off at nothing but open ocean. They were also told to shut the fuck up about it and did until years later.
>>27798956
For you.
>>27802873
lmao
