M9 or 92FS
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Is the 92 composed of higher quality material?
>>27943837
no. they're 99% identical. I think the m9 might still have a steel guide rod and trigger, and no warning label, but I could easily be wrong.
>>27943837
I know the Italian made guns have a metal recoil spring guide rod. The US-made ones--at least for commercial sale--have a plastic recoil spring guide rod.
That having been said, I've never heard of a problem with one of the plastic parts. Locking blocks chip and crack, the trigger can fail to reset in SA if the trigger return spring wears (or is not reinstalled exactly correctly by the armorer during depot service), parkerized mag tubes attract dust and can cause feeding problems in areas with a lot of fine Afghan style "moon dust," but never a problem with recoil spring guides.
>>27943896
you can also just pick up a steel guide rod for like $7 if you're at all worried about it.
The M9 and 92FS are basically the same except for the frame contour, sights, grip screws, and where it was made. I personally have a made in Italy 92FS and love it. Probably my favorite handgun until I get a Sig.
>>27943890
>>27943896
Wrong, my Italian 92FS came with the plastic guide rod. I think they all do.
>>27943837
Doesn't the M9 slide still fly off and kill you?
>>27943921
>>27943837
the 92 is made in italy
the m9 is made in 'murica thus it is shit because lazy union workers who thinks QC checks are to much work
source?
the 92/m9 has a history of slide cracking and the 'murican produced one is more prone to it just lurk the interwebs, its not a wide spread issue like glawknades but its been known to do it
but other than that is pretty much the same, only has a 3 year warranty so im pretty shady of companies that are afraid to back their product. also buy a spare locking block
>>27943938
I thought the M9 had an issue where it would crack and the slide would fly back in your face.
>>27943890
no lawyer rollermark bs is reason enough to go with the m9
I really want to like the 92, it's just so fuckhuge.
>>27943837
>>27943890
correct more or less.
the current M9 is an early 90's Beretta 92FS
differences include the markings, a straight dust cover, grip screw heads, sights, and you will sometimes see slide variations from older M9's with the 92F markings on re-arsenaled pistols.
also all the locking blocks are cracked, the finish is shit, the sights, and shit, and the magazines are garbage.
otherwise the M9 and the Beretta 92FS are identical.
>>27943953
That was 30 years ago. There was a run of slides that were made of an alloy that was contaminated with zirconium and then possibly not properly heat treated. That problem was found and fixed during the Reagan Administration.
>>27943953
It only happened twice during military testing before the 92FS/M9 came out. Nobody died, and they corrected that issue a long time ago before those models were released. Also the were shooting submachine gun ammo wich is basically +P++ ammo so that might have had something to do with it.
>>27943978
also they don't fly off with enough force to kill you.
give you a bloody nose or a black eye yes, kill you, no.
>>27943975
i too know this feel, when my local fun store gets the m9a3 in i'll give her a good finger fucking and see how it feels
if it fits my hand pretty good i might pick one up when/if the price hits $700
>>27943978
>>27943988
Thanks for clarifying. Was in the market too and was completely ignoring the M9 as a result.
>dat safety
>>27943950
>the m9 is made in 'murica thus it is shit because lazy union workers who thinks QC checks are to much work
beretta makes the m9 in the US to comply with DoD requirements that all arms are domestically manufactured.
the problem with slide cracking is caused by using +P ammo that the slide isn't rated for in 92F. blame the Navy and the SEALs doing it.
So the slide cracks over time and then when it fails, there's nothing stopping the slide from traveling rearward and striking the shooter.
so the navy started a program to replace those old M9s, but Beretta worked with the Army and installed a safety pin in the frame to fit into a cut out in the slide. This pin is hardened steel and prevents the slide from moving off the frame.
This improved M9 (now the 92FS) was then adopted by all branches. your anti-americanism is both misplaced and largely wrong.
>>27943976
>all the locking blocks are cracked
>>27943975
>>27944010
manlets, when will they learn?
92s feel great in the hand of any average sized person.
>>27943896
>I know the Italian made guns have a metal recoil spring guide rod. The US-made ones--at least for commercial sale--have a plastic recoil spring guide rod.
Actually the plastic guide rod thing is a fairly new thing that they started to do about 10 years ago. Beretta still makes metal guide rods for spares and special edition guns.
I actually prefer the plastic guide rod because it comes as one assembly which makes field stripping a hell of a lot easier.
>>27944083
>I actually prefer the plastic guide rod because it comes as one assembly which makes field stripping a hell of a lot easier.
...what?
>>27944070
my p226 has a "large" grip and i shoot it just fine
m9/92's feel like shit same as glawks but thats just me and 90% of everyone else, sorry you fall in the 10% group that likes shit ergos
>>27944092
I rented and shot a P226 earlier and want to buy an M9 but they don't rent them to test.
How would you compare the trigger pull on the M9 compared to the P226? Any other comparisons welcomed.
>>27944103
The Sig has the better trigger in both double and single action. Which you'd come to expect considering price differences.
>>27944092
>but thats just me and 90% of everyone else
funny, I've heard most people say the 92's grip is incredibly comfortable. I don't hang out with manlets though.
>>27944103
the trigger on 92s is one of the worst qualities. Go to a shop that sells them and ask to finger fuck one.
a trigger job helps a lot though.
>>27944150
>Go to a shop that sells them and ask to finger fuck one.
I'll do this tomorrow.
>>27944148
Sig required little effort, I like it a lot.
>>27944103
my sig has the short reset trigger so reset is superior to the m9, standard triggers they are probably equal reset wise
double action the m9 is a heavy cunt compared to the p226, you can put a d spring in the m9/92 to help which should make it similar to the sig
standard triggers the sig wins, aftermarket triggers the sig wins. the m9/92 doesnt offer any aftermarket to unfuck the trigger besides putting a d spring in which only lightens the pull compared to the sig you can put lighter springs, srt's and the slim triggers
my biggest gripe with the 92/m9 is the xbaux hueg grip and the safety, safety's on a da/sa pistol are pants on head retarded in general but the 92/m9 is really fucking autistic that it disengages the trigger completely if its on which is dangerous as fuck
>>27944083
That's only on the 90-Two and the 92A1, the M9A1 and classic M9/92s are plastic two-piece.
>>27944225
>M9A1 and classic M9/92s are plastic two-piece.
I did not know this.
>>27944087
In my gun the spring/rod assembly is made of 3 pieces: rod, spring, and ring. The ring holds the spring captive on the guide rod. This eliminates the chances either the spring or rod shooting off some where when field stripping or assembly.
>>27943950
>the m9 is made in 'murica thus it is shit because lazy union workers who thinks QC checks are to much work
Actually there isn't much difference in the way Italy makes their guns vs the Maryland plant. The manufacturing process is virtually the same despite what people may think. The only reason some Italian models go for slightly higher prices is because they are relatively rare in the the States. While the MD plant was busy fulfilling military and LE contracts during the '80s and '90s, civilian models were coming from Italy for a time until Beretta USA were able to achieve the capacity to manufacture guns for the civilian market.
New M9 I picked up a couple weeks ago. Came with the plastic guide rod, trigger, mag release and safety. I installed a steel trigger and oversized steel mag release. Plan to install a steel guide rod too.
>>27944204
>it disengages the trigger completely if its on which is dangerous as fuck
How is this bad aside from needing to hit the safety when you need to shoot?
>>27943953
you are thinking of the Remington R51
whats the diff between 92f and 92fs?
i shot a 92f i think it was a couple weeks ago. damn it feels nice
>>27944438
The 92FS has an enlarged hammer pin that fits in a slot cut into the slide, to catch the back half if the slide cracks. There's some other machining differences on the frame, but nothing affecting function.
>>27944489
thanks family, so basically same shit
>>27944507
Pretty much. Aside from the hammer pin, even parts are fully interchangeable, and you can swap the hammer pin if you change to an FS slide.
i bought a civilian m9a1 for the rail... beware, it's weaver not picatinny smfh
>>27944010
>$700
wat
>>27944610
Should have bought the 92A1 senpai.
Though the MAHREENS spec-ed the M9A1, so I doubt they'd use weaver, I thought it was just one Picatinny slot.
>>27943837
Buy a CZ
>>27944270
I've never heard of the ring you're talking about. I have shot my guide rod across the room when assembling my gun before though.
>>27943953
Keep the recoil spring and locking lever/claw/block fresh and you shouldn't have a problem. The brigadier slide is also a bit thicker and completely nullified any risk of cracked frames.
>>27944070
I have little hands and the 92 fits fine. The only thing I don't like about it is the take up on the single action and the safety, but that's why we have the G model.
>>27945390
The dash two and the A1's have a captured guide rod, as opposed to a non captured unit in the FS models.
In the captured unit the spring rest on a washer that holds it on the rod, but contacts the....uhhh....guide rod hole. In a non captured unit the spring contacts the frame directly and there's nothing to keep it sliding off the rod when uninstalled. The ring he's talking about is the washer.
You can take that washer, plop it loose in an A1 for example and use a non captured unit, like if you wanted to use a metal guide rod.
>>27945478
Huh. Cool. I've only had the guide rod shoot across the room once when I first got the gun and I didn't know what I was doing. I'll take my steel guide rod over that. But hey, different strokes
>>27945478
Also, pretty much every issue you've ever heard of in the 92 is nonexistent at this point.
There's Gen 4 locking blocks, they didn't feed in the desert because of shit aftermarket mags and the slide breaking happened like 3 times in the 80's, due to way out of spec ammo and they still changed the design to fix that shit.
>>27943975
But you see the thing is, it's not huge. It has a thick grip that doesn't work for people, but it's not huge. It's a full size service pistol. It's not even heavy for its size and construction. I hear the same thing about 1911.
>>27945509
>There's Gen 4 locking blocks
I thought there were only 3 generations. 2nd generation came in to versions which all had direct interchangeability with each other across the board.
>>27944204
Have a look at cylinder and slide. Just because Apex doesn't make a trigger doesn't mean it's non-existent
>>27945740
Yeah, but compared to 1911, the 92 is usually thicker. Also, spare mags for the 1911 are pretty thin, too.
>>27945755
Nah Gen 4 has been around for a few years now.
>>27945784
it's quite a bit thicker than 1911s, which is what I think anon was saying. It's about the same profile as one though.
>>27945812
That's weird. Why didn't they use it on any of their guns? Everything I read on current 92 models uses the 3rd gen, even M9A3.
>>27945860
Short answer: I don't know
>>27945812
There is no such thing as a "Gen4" locking block for the 92.
Some people call Gen3 locking blocks as "Gen4s" because of the inline modifications Beretta did to the Gen2 locking blocks resulting in two different designs. The later version of the Gen2 block had shallower radius cuts. This is what probably led to people thinking late version of the Gen2 as a "Gen3" and the current design as a "Gen4." While the logic is there, Beretta officially calls the current generation a Gen3.
Here's a more in-depth link to Beretta locking block designs over the years:
>http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=45325
Just as a quick reference:
- Gen1: Large plunger cut-out, no radius cuts
- Gen2 (early version): Large plunger cut-out, deep radius cuts
- Gen2 (late version): Large plunger cut-out, shallow radius cuts
- Gen3: Small plunger cut-out, shallow radius cuts
I just bought a 92fs a couple weeks ago and used an M9 in the Army. They are 99.9% identicle and function the same as well. Mine was 613 with tax, so dont let retards tell you otherwise
>>27946054
>I overpaid, so don't let other people tell you you can get them for cheaper
>>27946057
>over paid
Cabellas and Gander try to sell these things for 6-700 before tax bro. Just where exactly are you finding them for brand new at less than 613 with tax?
>>27946057
>>27946072
MSRP for a 92FS/M9 is $675. Most places sell them for ~$600. I've seen them on sale for $550. And of course you can find them even cheaper in the used market.
>>27946148
Aye, so me getting mine at 613 AFTER taxes brand new is skippty hippity with me. I still remember the schmuch at Cabelas:
>Listen here son, this is a MILITARY model gun, I cant just give them away for less than 650
So i went to Ace Hardware in Andover. Fuck that crotchey old fuck calling me "son". Hate that garbage.
>>27946072
what this guy said
>>27946148
you can usually find them used for like $400.
>>27946156
>92fs
>military model gun
stupid people need to get shot
>>27946159
>Buying a used hand gun
I bet you share underwear with your boyfriend
>>27946170
Aye. He got pissy when i told him he was full of shit. Then he said i should buy a glock because "berretas explode anyway"
>>27946176
>thinking it matters if a gun is used or not
I'm sure you'd suck my boyfriend's cock for a used surplus 1911, faggot
>>27946179
>1911
Only thing id suck dick for is a matching and stamped Gewehr43
>>27946191
but that's used
>>27946198
Not a hand gun. Bro.
>>27946179
Surplus 1911s aren't even that valuable.
>>27946202
Care to explain what the difference is in your mind?
>>27946208
they're what, like 3k+?
>>27946209
Hand guns get tossed around more and handled more ineffectively by the "general" public. Get tossed into seats and other nasty places, or some mutton chobbed sperg would get a wild hair and conceal carry it in some horrid place like the small of his back right above their ass crack. Not to mention ive had to search vehicles and have found weapons in pilrs of dirty laundry or wrapped in soiled underwear because they think you wont look there because "ewwww undies".
>tl:dr People are gross as fuck and stick pistols in bad places
>>27946176
>I bet you share underwear with your boyfriend
Nigga, I ain't even gay but I could see the merits of sharing underwear.
>>27946220
you're one dumb motherfucker.
>>27946225
>I find multiple hand guns wrapped in soiled laundry
>Derringer has plopped out of a womans baby cave
>I want to buy hand guns new because of it
Yup. Yah got me.
>>27946220
I hope you are not implying that most armorers in the military aren't lazy fucks.
>>27946227
stop buying guns from niggers in a back alley or at police auctions from crack den raids?
>>27946213
Nah.
Fair condition WW1 1911s often go for under $1,000.
Ones that go for $3,000+ are either in extremely good condition, or have something mildly unusual about them.
>>27946232
Wish i kept that swab test i did on a glock i bought off of arms list. The amount of fecal matter on weapon grips is astounding. All gets stuck in the ridges
>>27946236
fun fact: everything you eat is covered in fecal matter. You're even breathing fecal matter right now.
The fact that you did a swab test on your gun is just fucking sad.
>>27946247
I was genuinely curious about the grit i was scrubbing out of the grips.
>>27946257
have you considered actually looking at the gun you purchase before you purchase it?
>>27946261
I did, and i noticed there was a lot of hand gun in the grips. For the price is was alright though and it was just a scrub up. After the swab it was kind of an "ew" moment. But honestly and all games aside, i like the feel of buying a fresh and unmolested pistol.
>>27946270
A lot of hand gunk*
Going to a gun show for this next month. Can I jew anyone for a new inox for $600?
>>27943950
>the m9 is made in 'murica thus it is shit because lazy union workers who thinks QC checks are to much work
>I come from a place where I can't own a Beretta 92FS
There we go.
>wanting an M9
>ever
Regardless of what you think about 9mm rounds, the M9 itself is shit.
>>27947462
Youre full of dog turd.
>>27943921
slides dont have enough force to do major damage even if they were to fly back off into your face.
sure if you put a finger right behind it you are gonna have a bad day but slides don't have that much force behind them. you can stop them from moving with your hand.
https://youtu.be/KVtXPIjM3jQ
>>27943896
just went to a dealer today and looked at three different model 92s: the M9A1, the 92FS, and the M9 all three had a plastic recoil guide rod.
>>27944092
>feel like shit same as glawks
>but thats just me and 90% of everyone else
Seeing as Glock holds the largest market share on hand guns, you're a fucking idiot. The M9/92 feels great as well. I like Sigs too, but the M9 feels amazing in my hands as does my Glock 19.
>inb4 2x4
>>27946725
>gunshow
>cheap guns
AHAHAHAHA
>>27949464
were any of them italian?
>>27949504
>frame safety
>mag release on the grip
nice
>>27949534
Thanks senpai, I inherited from my grandpa who bought it new in 1981
>>27946725
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719001673
good luck nigga
>>27943921
i hated the slide safety, shit always came off on my issued m9
