How come there's no official 2hu anime yet?
Does ZUN hate money?
>>15059373
Using proxies again are we?
because zun can't actually write a plot that would captivate viewers and instead just creates a ptsd inducing game with characters that are saved by the community.
Studios would be tripping over themselves to get a piece of the Touhou pie. But I think the reason for there not being an anime is due to ZUN thinking that it would detrimental to the doujinshi spirit of the community?
memes
>>15059959
>>15059387
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I'm being completely serious. I'd love a Touhou anime and ZUN would love a Touhou anime. Why? Because his fans would love a Touhou anime.
We just need to give the chinks who are making that one really cute 2hu anime right now money so they can produce a few full seasons.
Did Maikaze die?
>>15059373
It'll be another doujin thing. ZUN ain't backing shit, so it's not official. It really goes to show how dedicated the fandom is though to make what now, is this the 4th or 5th anime from scratch? That's mighty fucking impressive, considering how much effort it takes drawing/coloring all those frames.
ZUN won't back an anime because it's just plain going to clash with various things fans envision for it, setting a bunch of facts in static canon and hence ruining the flexible, anything-goes aspect of the series that's built it up into the mightiest doujin empire in history. Everyone thinks of certain things differently and envisions how certain things should be, for example I'm not sure if ZUN himself is 100% sure what a danmaku fight should look like outside a game and if there's other fights. Should it be literally dodging and weaving like the games, or should it be more converted to a hotblooded magic fight like the fighters, etc. Would it acknowledge the infinite amount of fanon stuff? How much so, should it be blatant or subtle etc? No matter what he would decide for these answers, it would piss off huge segment of fans who wanted it done some other way. By just letting fans do things the way they want, he can avoid fragmenting the fandom by backing any one way of going about this.
Not to mention, in an official anime it would need -everything- to be a full ride to try to satisfy everyone. This means fitting everything from the various SoL manga to retracing the plots of 15 games + the fighters + Aya games + Fairy Wars + Seija game, all into one cohesive unit going for probably hundreds of eps, would be an immensely difficult task to engineer, something I don't think ZUN himself wants to try to tackle, because for starters the PC-98 games seem to be in a previous/alternate universe from the Windows ones. There are so many vague and disjointed things that just wouldn't piece together well into a cohesive unit in an official anime, that it's no wonder he dismisses the idea.
>>15059373
>Does ZUN hate money?
No. He just hates secondaries like you.
>>15060167
Don't reply seriously to retards
>>15061169It's a pasta though
Anime adaptations of video games are shit most of time. I am sure ZUN is aware.
How much money has ZUN made from touhou?
>>15061448
Considering that fanbase really respect Zun, I say alot. Zun made touhou for hobby anyway. So many money or commercial success is not important for him.
>>15060115
Didn't they recently announced ep.3 for this year?
>>15060911
Nothing wrong with secondaries. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that they're superior to primaries.
>>15059735
Reminds me of early 2009 and 2010 the peak of Touhou popularity.Every studio on the planet wanted to make a Touhou anime,hell even Square Enix beg Zun to use his characters in one of their video games.Ufotable went out of their way to make their own crossover,and atleast 3 doujin circles went on to make their on fan anime.Will Touhou ever reach that peak again.
>>15064627
The offer still stands probably, since it's still pretty big.
I think a non-canon Touhou cameo crossover with some games wouldn't hurt.
>>15067053
If there's such things as Super Bishoujo Wars that plays like Super Robot Wars, I'd buy the game if there's 2hu on it.
>>15067053
That's happened a few times though.
>>15064182
ZUN's guidelines for Touhou fanworks are basically "Do not create secondaries" along with a list of ways to avoid that. E.g. he doesn't care if you sell a fanwork at an event aimed at Touhou fans, but he does care if you sell it on Steam.
>>15059373
Dumb gorillaposter
Go back to >>>/sci/
>>15059373
>With the way anime are produced, ZUN would have very little control over it, and the studio would probably turn it into yuribait with a black-and-white conflict where everyone acts out of character.
>An anime is much more accessible than a doujin shooter, so people wanting to check out "that Touhou thing" would watch the anime and go no further.
>ZUN would be mobbed by idiots complaining that his games don't have enough yuri and action scenes and grimdark. As well as idiots assuming that his games have yuri and action scenes and grimdark and trying to get them banned for that.
Neil Gaiman says that the reason The Sandman never got a movie or TV series is because people kept submitting scripts with lines like
>Foolish mortals! Your weapons are useless against MORPHEUS, LORD OF DREAMS!
>>15069585
>mad at based yuri
>>15069588
>mad at too little yuri
>mad at too much yuri
Both sides are retards.
>>15069588
It's not about yuri existing, it's about forever being known as the creator of "that yuri series" when you didn't put the yuri there and hate the guy who did.
>>15069585
>>15069606
Fun fact: Akira Toriyama says that his main motivator for the Dragonball Z revival was disgust at Dragonball Evolution. He didn't want the last thing anyone remembered of Goku to be "angsty American highschooler struggling to get a girlfriend".
>>15069606
>it's about forever being known as the creator of "that yuri series" when you didn't put the yuri there and hate the guy who did.
Somehow makes me think of Lyrical Nanoha and its relation to Triangle Heart, or anything after the first season in general
>>15070022
The first season had plenty of implied yuri, though, so I don't know what you're talking about. Also, I think most of the creative staff behind the two series are the same so if anyone had a problem with the implied yuri, then it wouldn't be there.
>>15069606
>it's about forever being known as the creator of "that yuri series" when you didn't put the yuri there and hate the guy who did.
Is there any source at all on ZUN hating yuri?
>>15070395
>The first season had plenty of implied yuri
Only if you're a /u/fag.
>>15070400
Not at all, that's just the anti-/u/ force projecting.
>>15070435
No shit? It's called /implied/ yuri for a reason.
>>15070400
No one said ZUN hated yuri. Just that if an anime was made without ZUN's control, it would probably have yuri in it.
>>15072285
I think if an anime was made without ZUN's control it would rather feature the generic anime protagonist so that the audience have someone they can "connect to and self insert to".
I would actually see Yuri any day rather than a "Young high school boy suddenly transported into the mystical place called Gensokyo"
>>15072323
Depends on the market. Isekai is less otaku-centric than yuri, and it seems more likely that they'd market it as an otaku series.
>>15072285
So what I'm getting from this is that the Touhou anime should be made by Silver Link.
>>15072363
No, it should be made by an army of ZUN clones with the help of KamS.
>>15069585
that's why they said a live-action LotR would never workand they were right
>>15073376
>no Tom Bombadillo
of course they were right.
Why not have ZUN do the drawing himself? You know you want it
>>15073376
Viggo was based, he openly said the series went downhill after the first, with more and more CGI, then he refused to show up in the hobbit, but was mentioned in there anyway.
Jackson just got lucky with the first film. The second would ahve been ok if it wasnt for that fucking shield scene.
How did Jackson manage to make everything worse as he got more resources?
And now GiTS is getting raped.
>>15075680
Who are you quoting?
>>15072323
>I would actually see Yuri any day rather than a "Young high school boy suddenly transported into the mystical place called Gensokyo"
I think that would be interesting. Not the anime, but iff that happened the civil war in the fandom. Some would foam at the mouth seeing them fuck up the adaption, others would defend it becuase they want to self insert. Both factions diehard otaku.
Then it turns out the boy is Youmu and peace is restored.
Obviously the only solution is to have multiple 2hu anime with different stuff all airing at the same time.
>>15081403
Who the fuck cares.
>>15072323
>"Young high school boy suddenly transported into the mystical place called Gensokyo"
This has happened with three girls already, it wouldn't be weird, especially since people are said to be spirited away.
>>15060167
>>Not to mention, in an official anime it would need -everything- to be a full ride to try to satisfy everyone. This means fitting everything from the various SoL manga to retracing the plots of 15 games + the fighters + Aya games + Fairy Wars + Seija game, all into one cohesive unit going for probably hundreds of eps, would be an immensely difficult task to engineer, something I don't think ZUN himself wants to try to tackle,
Dude each game would take like 3 episodes at MOST. You could just skip the spin-offs besides the fighters as well. They wouldn't adapt the PC-98 games either.
When you ignore ZUN's refusal to sell Touhou to an anime company, the real problem is budget. Face it: Touhou is, for all intents and purposes, a fighting series. It's filled to the brim with fighting, except instead of martial arts and ki blasts it's got spellcard duels. All the fights would require a serious budget to look amazing or animators that actually give a shit like the ones for One-Punch Man did. And an adaption of the games would have a gigantic amount of fights.
Honestly that's one of my main annoyances with ZUN. All the manga are just SOL stuff, when 2hu is basically a shounen fighting series but with cute girls throwing danmaku at each other. Hell, even the doujinka don't make any actions doujins, they just make yurishit, sophmoric grimdark wankery, cute SOL, or porn. The thing I want to see the most is an manga retelling of the games with some badass fight scenes.
For a series all about fighting, ZUN sure downplays that aspect.
>>15083240
>For a series all about fighting, ZUN sure downplays that aspect.
Except for, you know, the part where every game in the series is all about fighting. For him the spell cards, the music and the gameplay all go together. You can't do that in manga.
>Hell, even the doujinka don't make any actions doujins
Most action doujinshi are "sophomoric grimdark wankery" (or pretends to be such before everyone sits down for tea afterwards.)
Doujin is the spirit of Touhou. We don't want an official anime, what the fans are doing is plenty enough already. Fuck off.
>>15082432
I care, anon.
I care.
>>15059397
implying a touhou anime would try to be anything but experiencing mundane scenarios through character-specific lenses peppered with worldbuilding and not-so-subtle social commentary like the manga and written works are
>>15082432
90% of the time greentexters are fucking retards and those two posts are proof of it.
>>15082572
>three
?
>>15069519
I'm a secondary and reading this just makes me want to go all contrarian and create even more secondaries.
>>15064627
source for this?
>>15069519
There's a Momiji emote on steam right now
It's like $20
I always figured it was half the appeal of Touhou that Zun made just enough to establish the world, rules of Gensokyo, character designs and personalities, and a couple character relationships and interactions, but left a wide enough gap for fans to fill in the blanks how they please
anything "official" seems like it'd be going against what made the franchise so successful with fans
>>15085327
which is why there's so much official material, right
people who say the kind of shit you said are all fucking retarded. the clean slate you all yao about so much hasn't existed since 2004.
>>15069588
>missing the point
the shit is both yuri and grimdark aren't the focus of the series
>>15072323
so, like a big percentage of fanfictions
>>15083240
>the whole post
>forcing one aspect of the franchise and ignoring all the other stuff
your viewpoint is why never got an anime adaptation
>>15085274
This isn't a ZUN thing. It's basic etiquette in communities like doujin, open source, etc. that you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT create confusion as to what a thing is, or who's responsible for it. Doujin creators don't have massive PR and marketing departments to smooth things over for them, meaning that even a single person doing that can ruin things for everyone.
Every Touhou doujin ever made starts with something like
>Warning: This is a fanwork based on Touhou Project.
>It differs considerably from the original works, and may be disrespectful of the characters and setting.
>Please proceed with caution if you wish to preserve the image of the original works. If you dislike such fanworks, please do not continue reading.
>>15059373
Because ZUN hates his fans and wants us to suffer
>>15067469
It exists, it's just fanmade
>>15085728
>>15067469
Gensou Shoujo Taisen. It's had three games so far, and the final one is in production. I think they're also doing a remake of the first game with better attack animations?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlHVmy4QxYlW1IEcaYlRpLaCCqxQdR7TM
>>15060167
Considering none of the official manga have been adaptations of the games you can rule the idea of "it has to cover everything" out from the get go. Touhou anime would literally be just like the manga in the sense that it assumes you're already familiar with these characters and the incidents of the games, and would simply present a new original story in anine-only format.
Imagine trying to make sense to SSiB without already knowing Touhou - you can't. It assumes you already have that knowledge going in. A Touhou anime would be no different, MAYBE at most you'd get a basic run-through introducing the main cast for first comers. But otherwise any official Touhou anime can be guaranteed as a new story and not an adaptation retelling the events of the games.
>>15059373
Gorillas are actually apes, not monkeys. Please update your filename accordingly.
>>15085080
Sumireko, Renko, and Maribel.
>>15096223
pretty much this
>>15098002
Sumireko did it on purpose, and Renko and Maribel aren't high school girls.
>>15059373
There is already one where Wriggle is a boy.
You just didn't notice it.
>>15059373
honestly i don't really want one, unless it was based off the very first touhou
>>15108006
You have a really immature way of thinking if you thought everyone here only likes weebshit.
>>15085322
Willing to bet you're talking about that open mouth macro that momiji's version of just happened to become the most popular
>>15108006
We're not a bunch of horny and bitter underage niwakas like /a/.
>>15083240
>Honestly that's one of my main annoyances with ZUN. All the manga are just SOL stuff
I don't really see the problem here. ZUN's writing is at its strongest when he tells laid-back, mysterious stories steeped in folklore. The one time he tried to do a more action-oriented story he churned out the mediocre turd that is SSiB, and I think I speak for most people when I say, if I were forced to choose, I'd rather have an anime adaption of WaHH or FS than SSiB.
>2hu is basically a shounen fighting series
Touhou has nowhere near the same dynamic as a battle manga. Just off the top of my head: the plots aren't as simple or gamelike (ironically), there are no power-ups that are part of the narrative, the main characters don't have hidden potentials, there's no big bad, the villains that do exist aren't black and white. I don't say these things necessarily to applaud Touhou or decry battle manga (I enjoy both), only to show that Touhou doesn't fit that mold. Calling Touhou a "shounen fighting series" because it has fighting is like calling KanColle a naval simulator because it has boats.
>>15069585
>With the way anime are produced, ZUN would have very little control over it, and the studio would probably turn it into yuribait with a black-and-white conflict where everyone acts out of character.
You are completely confusing anime and anime production with American productions and I can't even imagine how you managed to do that.
>ZUN would be mobbed by idiots complaining that his games don't have enough yuri and action scenes and grimdark. As well as idiots assuming that his games have yuri and action scenes and grimdark and trying to get them banned for that.
What in the fuck am I even reading anymore.
>>15072323
>I think if an anime was made without ZUN's control it would rather feature the generic anime protagonist so that the audience have someone they can "connect to and self insert to".
And you are confusing Japanese viewers with Western ones. It's Westerners who are obsessed with self-insertion.
>>15108006
Touhou is Japanese and therefore not "weebshit."
The fuck is happening in this thread?
I was initially going to ask something about a Touhou doujin anime but I doubt anyone in this thread has even heard of it.
>>15117401
>And you are confusing Japanese viewers with Western ones. It's Westerners who are obsessed with self-insertion.
What the fuck am I reading?
Then why the fuck does literally every harem manga, VN, and LN have self-inserts as protags?
>>15117417
You think they are "self-inserts" precisely because you are obsessed with self-insertion. You are also ignoring the many shows where there are no male characters, or where they are only in a supporting role.
Touhou itself has only one male character I think, and people don't care about him that much.
>>15117361
>The one time he tried to do a more action-oriented story he churned out the mediocre turd that is SSiB
SSiB isn't an action series. Like, at all. The only fighting in it is literally just the heroines and Yorihime standing and throwing attacks at each while Yorihime marysues her way through everything. The point of that scene wasn't to excite us with fights, it was to watch Yorihime cheese everything to demonstrate her power.
I mean, it was boring as shit, but it wasn't meant to be exciting. It was just a several-chapter long establishing shot for Yorihime.
>Just off the top of my head: the plots aren't as simple or gamelike (ironically), there are no power-ups that are part of the narrative, the main characters don't have hidden potentials, there's no big bad, the villains that do exist aren't black and white.
All of this is true, but you could still make a damn cool action manga from 2hu. Danmaku fights are vastly unlike the hand-to-hand combat you see in basically every shounen, and their aerial nature allows for a lot of dynamic situations. Just look at those 3D videos Japanese fans have made such as that famous Reimu vs. Utsuho one.
You could easily make a manga that followed Reimu and Marisa solving an incident, with more detail than the games allow for. But of course, ZUN isn't into that and prefers his laid-back SoL atmosphere, which is fine though I can't deny that I'm a little disappointed.
>>15120030
>SSiB isn't an action series. Like, at all. The only fighting in it is literally just the heroines and Yorihime standing and throwing attacks at each while Yorihime marysues her way through everything. The point of that scene wasn't to excite us with fights, it was to watch Yorihime cheese everything to demonstrate her power.
>I mean, it was boring as shit, but it wasn't meant to be exciting. It was just a several-chapter long establishing shot for Yorihime.
Yorihime is a miko who tries to stop an incident by fighting a series of enemies in Spell Card duels, each more powerful than the last. The first three are nobodies who are mostly there to help her get her bearings. Her sixth opponent is the one responsible for the incident. Then she fights a seventh person who is even more powerful but has no real reason to be there.
Does this remind you of anything?
>>15120975
Oh, and then she invites her enemy over for tea.
>>15120975
Yeah, that was the point.
>>15059373
Anime Tenchou x Touhou Project
>>15121523
May it rest in peace.
Touhou gameplay doesn't translate well to a moving picture, because the concept of flying forward constantly in a corridor while rapid-firing some paraphernalia or energy ball for a couple of minutes doesn't make for an entertaining confrontation. Touhou plot is very vague and transmitted only through a few lines of dialogue every few minutes, which makes it hard to imagine what sort of personality the characters have or what the overarching story even is.
The result is almost always a boring, cringeworthy production that upsets fans because of how the writer imagined the characters to be and how the fight scenes are made to look like budget Dragonball Z.
We already have examples of what Touhou anime could be. It's all mediocre. It's not making a killing. A studio funding this is not going to change jack. Zun isn't the problem, Touhou isn't the problem. It's just not a game series that will ever translate well to anime unless the gameplay and the writing evolve to a somewhat different genre of game.
Be thankful that you even have manga works that are considered canon, and are even of relative high-quality depending on what you're looking for. If all you're looking for is a door to enter the universe, you could play the games on easy or read the wiki.
And please, for fuck's sake, stop asking for a Touhou anime or wondering why no studio is picking up on this "goldmine", because it'll probably just be like putting more mediocre productions out on the market that's already saturated with mediocrity.
>>15128258
If they can do Salamander, they can do Touhou.
>>15117421
>You think they are "self-inserts" precisely because you are obsessed with self-insertion.
What the actual fuck am I reading. Are you actually a regular user of this board or a trolling normalfag?
>You are also ignoring the many shows where there are no male characters,
Yeah I don't watch shitty shows for disgusting yurifags and their nasty femshipping bullshit.
I have one of these.
:^P
>>15128258
>Touhou gameplay doesn't translate well to a moving picture, because the concept of flying forward constantly in a corridor while rapid-firing some paraphernalia or energy ball for a couple of minutes doesn't make for an entertaining confrontation
You do realize that the only reason the games are like this are for the purpose of gameplay, right? A battle in a hypothetical 2hu anime would look more like pic related.
>>15129610
Awesome gif
>>15129610
Woah, man.
I think if i wanted a 2hu anime, I wanted CoLA story animated. It's cheap, not many movement, but can give room to some beautiful images.
>>15129716
I'd love a show similar to ARIA where the cute girls are used to explore the beauty and mystery of the scenery.
>>15129610
I agree completely, the battles should look like that. If a hypothetical anime were to exist, it all the battle scenes looked like that, it would be an instant hit with action anime fans.
...but realistically, I think the stars would have to align to be able to find a studio that can even start to conceptualize scenes as good as that, write them, storyboard them, animate them and the rest of the episodes, all in crunch time and probably under a budget. I wouldn't be surprised if it took the guy who made that image several days, if not weeks, to finish by himself, because animating well and properly is very very difficult.
It would have to be a studio like Trigger or something similar to make a Touhou anime, that would not just be about girls sitting under the shade drinking tea all day, for it to be a successful Touhou anime that would be a nice introduction to newcomers and would garner a true secondary following who would jump into the manga or better yet, try the games out for themselves.
But it's just too much of a fat chance. It's too incredible to hypothesize about. I don't think it's even worth it to consider that a hypothetical Touhou anime would have scenes like that.
>>15117401
>It's Westerners who are obsessed with self-insertion.
Have you been to the KanColle side of fandom? It's nothing but Admiral self insert in the Japanese area
>>15129716
I would pay good money for a CoLA adaptation in the style of the Monogatari series. Just as dialogue-heavy, just as much symbolism and commentary, and just as pretentious characters. Fits perfectly.
>>15129973
But CoLA has no pretentious symbolism. It's just lore building.
Which is good because it will be designed for the fans and deter any new fans
>>15130060
Rinnosuke is pretentious. The symbolism is in the metaphors and dumb explanations he gives for stuff; I'm saying you could make those visually interesting.
>>15113267
I think you're just on the right side of /jp/.
/jp/ is also filled with people who only like to imagedump 2hu pictures and nothing else.
>>15129610
>A battle in a hypothetical 2hu anime would look more like pic related.
Right, let's just ignore the part where spellcards are completely fucking canon and instead replace it with generic shonen shit.
ZUN doesn't give a fuck about anything. He doesn't even give a fuck about the fandom or doujin community.
Look how he just redesigns his main characters randomly, going against the designs that had been established in the fandom, for example.
>>15137440
yeah it's almost like he owns the thing
fucking insane
>>15137440
He's always drunk, that's why he doesn't give a fuck.
>>15059373
why is this dumb thread with this dumb meme still alive
There's already Gensou Mangekyou, Musou Kakyou, the more recent Hifuu Club Activity and lots of other fan works. And that's already good enough.
>>15137053
>spellcards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ3tmbSpooc
>Spooc
This is how a Touhou fight actually looks like. They start from 1:04 with their normal attacks, then Yuuka activates a spell card at at 1:28. She concentrates for a second and then a beautiful pattern of danmaku begins to attack. Marisa reacts by bombing (a "bomb" in the main games is when a heroine activates one of her own spellcards).
>>15067053
I could see it crossing over into wario ware pretty smoothly
>>15137440
Good.
Anything that makes the fandom flared up makes me moist.
>>15137053
What about the fighting games? They incorporates melee brawl with spellcard rules.
>inb4 it's not canon
It's shown in manga few times, like in WaHH where Reimu and Byakuren are going to face off HM-style, and Remilia attempted to get close to Yorihime for a claw during their battle in SSiB.
In PCB, Youmu can slash you, too.
>>15138279
From the little seen of Ufotable's Touhou teaser it seemed like they had a pretty good vision of how a spellcard battle might look as well. Shame it dissappeared into the midsts of time.
https://youtu.be/j9rxpzqHujc?t=38s
Though I hear the second volume of the SCoOW magazine is going to do a feature on it and possibly show what was made.
>>15059373
There's methods that don't need ZUN's blessing.
ex: I've conjured up a scenario, 15-20 years into the future, where Gensokyo becomes a country in the world community, is introduced to 21st century technology, and in turn use magic to become a burgeoning world superpower... with ensuing hilarity
This, and other semi-canon plots, are within the realm of possibilities
>>15139673
You mean use different setting so people won't mistake it with canon?
I want Gensokyo in MMO-like medieval/western fantasy setting.
>>15059373
>Does ZUN hate money?
Not being greedy does not equal to hating money, you capitalist scum. Although it's obvious that he cares about income more than before because now Zun's a family man.
Better question is, why do people ask "why is there no 2hu" anime. There's tons of anime about variety of girls fighting and doing cute things. Assuming it's secondaries that ask for Touhou anime, why do they need that? Character design?
You can't translate Touhou gameplay, Zun's music, and games atmosphere in general to anime, and Zun doesn't want official Touhou content that doesn't feel like his Touhou. And his Touhou isn't what majority would like, writing-wise.
>>15139892
>You mean use different setting so people won't mistake it with canon?
erm, yeah
>I want Gensokyo in MMO-like medieval/western fantasy setting.
We're gonna need hella elves, but yeah, doable
>>15138021
This.
Looks like doujin animation get a pass so if you want anime it's the best you can expect.
The cons is it's less likely get voiced and released one episode a year at best.
>>15137957I'm just mad Marisa doesn't keep her side-braid
>>15129716
>>15129973
>>15130122
Now that is an idea for a Touhou anime I could get behind. CoLA was immensely entertaining and I agree that with a touch of SHAFT his insane rationalizations would be a joy to watch.
>>15059373
not everything is about money, my materialistic simian friend.
>>15096274
some languages don't have a distinction between monkeys and apes. don't get triggered by filenames. it doesn't matter.
>>15096274
Clearly the gorilla is thinking about a monkey.
>>15145633
You're probably right. Sorry for flying off the handle like that.
>>15137440
so wait, females changing their hairstyles or clothes is unheard of?
shock.
>>15059373
>>15096274
>>15145013
>>15145633
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2279011
Monkeys you say?
