What is the best way to trap your opponents into dealing your winning tile?
Come here and find out.
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
http://pastebin.com/mu7z1WQk
I just had someone riichi on the 2nd row of discards then ippatsu tsumo a kokushi.
>>14617847
Anyone have mahjong shows beside the obvious ones?
>>14618076
Which ones are you following?
I've dealt into suji trap a few times, yet my trap never werk.
>>14618404
I hate when I riichi on a one sided wait in hopes of setting up a suji trap, but then I draw the tile next to the one I put down when I called riichi.
>>14618308
i watched both akagis and all sakis
>>14618487
In anime format there's Legendary Gambler Tetsuya and a couple episodes of Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku.
In manga format there's Naki no Ryuu, Mukoubuchi, Tetsunaki no Kirinji and Tohai (all fresh off the presses), as well as some chapters of Tetsuya.
I assume Shinohayu is included in "all the Sakis" you watched.
>>14617847'
>What is the best way to trap your opponents into dealing your winning tile?
Boobies. Other players love the boobies.
C'mon lads.
2:0
>>14618540
>jpg
People like you are the reason god left us
>>14618596
>no uradora
That ain't nothing
If I had a dime for every time a NoName quit in the ranked lobby, I'd be a millionaire.
>>14618721
Get out of ippan already.
>>14617847
3.0
>>14618744
How can you tell if you're even in there?
>>14618841
If you're in L0, it's the leftmost tab out of four.
Would you?
>>14619210
Dammit it seems I always get on 7447 too late, everyone's already long gone.
>>14619256
>>14619210
Looks like calling open melds or dealing with additional dora would be a fucking mess
>7 dora
Jesus.
>>14619437
From spectator view, I was calling him retarded when he refused to get into tenpai with his 3 dora hand, but because of his "bad" decisions, he got a baiman, so I guess I didn't know what I was talking about.
>stuck with haku tile I don't want to discard since it's dangerous
>fuck it, I'll riichi and I bet someone will discard it because it looks like a super safe tile
>it works on the first round
nice desu ne
>>14619475
I had a "Nobody knows what Akagi is doing" moment there and couldn't tell if you were retarded for not taking the 3 sided wait, or a genius when it ipattsu'd.
What's the point of dragon tiles?
Calling them just make your hand a shitty yakuhai, even a tanyao pinfu is a better deal.
>>14619501
The point is finishing your hand before anyone else does. Doesn't matter if you have an octuple yakuman if the guy across from you finishes his shitty 1000 yakuhai hand first.
>>14619507
It doesn't matter if you finish 3 times with a 1000 hand if some guy gets a mangan while you're dealer. You're just wasting your hand, unless you have some dora or the yakuhai is a 2x one.
>>14619501
>>14619513
They can be used to speed up the game.
Once you get a Baiman as dealer you can just spam yakuhai hands and you'll win the match.
3:0
>>14619513
this is objectively the wrong approach. dicking around trying to get some huge value hand always fails unless either:
a) you were dealt almost all of the hand to begin with, in which case go ahead and try to complete it
b) you're an anime character with plot armor
if you start with a hand that isn't already almost a good hand, then just finish fast as possible
>>14619513
>>14619501
There is a reason why 90% of hands completed in professional matches are yakuhai, tan'yao and pinfu.
More complex hands almost never manage to be completed, and going for them will just limit your speed and your ability to discard safely.
>>14619806
Mmm, I agree.
"As we saw in the previous chapter, we often face a tradeoff between speed (tile efficiency) and hand value. In modern Riichi Mahjong, the value of pursuing expensive yaku is much diminished because of red fives. For example,
ryanpeiko is a beautiful three-fan yaku, but it is extremely difficult to make this yaku. We can achieve the same hand value more easily with
riichi + dora + one red five. We thus tend to
think of expensive yaku as something that emerges in a hand (almost) by chance, not something we actively pursue. Given that we can get high scores also from ippatsu, ura dora, and tsumo, getting the hand ready for
riichi is generally more important than pursuing expensive yaku."
From that richii book one of the anons linked in an earlier topic.
Missing half of the first hand netted me houtei Raoyui mangan which I sat on for 8 hands. This game just doesn't make sense sometimes. I swear I turned the sfx back on to warn me when the game started though. Weird.
>>14619210
I've tried mahjong with paper cards. It was annoying as fuck.
Can someone post a replay of the match just played in 7447? I wanna see the whole match of that one guy getting fucked over.
Why are you passing on wins to extend a shitty fake 3p game?
>>14619210
I already have one, but mine is Chinese rather than Japanese. I've only been able to find three other players two times.
>>14619210
Dunno. I could print out my own cards.
>>14619210
No. Cards are easy to ruin and mark.
>>14619898
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016011508gm-0009-7447-c2d4b979&tw=3
Are you talking about this one, anon?
I knew I'd be second when I busted him out, but I also had class in 20 minutes so I just accepted my position to end the game in a quick fashion.
Also just got out of class so I'm sorry for the late response.
>>14620365
I own cards and they're not bad.
They're really convenient and useful, and I can carry them with me easily. In my backpack, if I wanted.
>>14619210
I couldn't even get together people to play mahjong with a months notice, the odds of me needing on-the-go cards is basically nonexistent.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016011510gm-0089-0000-b73f2ca9&tw=3
From (almost) zero to hero.
>>14620416
You can teach chinese style mahjong in about five minutes, so I keep the cards around me, because some people like learning new games.
Japanese/riichi mahjong is probably the sort of mahjong that takes the longest just to learn how to play. And that does not make it more strategic... fucking red fives.
>>14620989
Red 5s are optional
>rinshan kaihou as my only yaku
Well that was lucky
>>14621040
Chinese mahjong is still much less luck-based.
>>14621425
Chinese (cantonese) mahong is also has potentially more defensive abilities since there's no penalty for noten.
>>14621442
I've never understood these 'chinese mahjong takes more skill' arguments.
Don't you always pay if someone wins a hand? I'm not a chinese mahjong player, but the way I see, there would be far fewer reasons to defend in that case. You'd be better off just rushing to win the hand. There's also no furiten, so you couldn't even really defend if you wanted to.
>>14621503
>can't defend without furiten
>implying you still can't read hands
You always pay, but you pay half the amount that the person who actually discarded into the ron does.
>>14621503
As >>14621513 noted, you tend to pay less. The biggest thing about cantonese mahjong being potentially more defensive is that there aren't a lot of rules for getting yaku. Thus hands are either incredibly easy to read, or very low valued. No riichi, dora, no ura dora, and no open tanyao means that there's no such thing as "quick" hands, and that getting value is more difficult whilst also keeping your hand hidden.
>>14621517
That just sounds boring
>>14621513
Read some hands for me then. You might be able to pick out yaku, but judging what tiles are safe or dangerous without furiten is difficult and very inconsistent. Maybe this is fine for very skilled players (I doubt it), but furiten is the majority of beginner and intermediate defense.
>You always pay, but you pay half the amount that the person who actually discarded into the ron does.
That still means you have less of an incentive to defend and more to just ignore the other players and finish your hand before they do.
>>14621518
Not really.
Old Hong Kong (and the various PRC/official tournament versions) is more modular than Japanese mahjong.
Instead of finding one yaku to make a hand, you usually have to combine multiple lesser-valued combinations. With this modularity, there are more combinations available.
Of course, the highest-valued hands still resemble your yakuman.
>>14621523
Is their any popular online site if I want to try it out?
>>14621528
Not that I know of.
>>14621543
And there goes any chance I will ever play it
>>14621548
I've only played it in person with my card set.
Some day I'll finish my client of multiple rule sets.
Well that was nice. A 7dan just ragequit on E1 after he dealt into my dealer haneman.
>double ri, ippatsu, tsumo, ura dora
kinda feels like cheating but hey, I'm not complaining
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016011521gm-0009-0000-3fbfc529&tw=0
several double rons, several haitei raoyue - yep, this was a stressful game. but i did it in the end
>>14621922
>dealer wins big first round
>winquits
>remaining humans scramble for second with cheap hands while a fucking jackass bot takes away the game
feels bad man
>declare kan twice
>no rinshan kaihou
>not even extra dora
1:0
2:0
>>14622206
That player was clearly not Saki enough.
>>14621922
>>14622033
Why would he waste time with you losers?
>>14622262
>that player
It was myself. Well at least I get to win a rare 3 han mangan.
>not throwing out the 7s for a double wait on 9s and ton
>>14622296
Nice gif.
>>14621112
>disgusting 3p
Due to the north tiles, rinshan is fairly common
https://soundcloud.com/ten_chu/jyan-or-die
>not listening to this while playing mahjong
>>14622561
>tenpai da, tenpai da, tenpai da
Why would I listen to lies?
>>14622720
>kuso hai da, kuso hai da
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016011517gm-0009-0000-6a093c82&tw=0&ts=0
>nothing but open tanyao
Serves you right, you faggot.
Is calling a closed kan on 4 dora a good way to push everyone towards betaori or is it more likely to get them to try to speed up their hands to prevent you from finishing yours?
>>14623666
Probably a good way to get most people not in tenpai or iishanten to drop out
>3:0
>>14622501
>Due to the north tiles, rinshan is fairly common
Yes, although in this case I got it on an open kan
>>14623666
>a closed kan on 4 dora
With this, you are bound to scare any experienced player. Weaker players won't be so attentive.
>PON
>Discard the tile the guy in riichi was waiting on just as he loses connection
>I ron on the next discard
Damn, now I feel bad for winning
>>14617847
3.0
IT'S TIME FOR REVENGE
>>14624227
If you set the auto win and disconnect, what happens
>>14624324
You don't win.
>>14624330
Bummer.
>>14617847
this was one of worst game i ever played
>>14624345
Oh? I enjoyed it quite a bit
>>14624365
>PON
>PON
>PON
>>14624382
You misspelled Ron
>>14624384
I only got ronned once,on a 3 side wait,
it was still annoying to play like that
>>14617847
2.0
>>14624405
3.0
>got hit by a dealer haneman in E1
>still won the game in S2
Feels good man.
>>14624679
>got hit on the head as a child
>can still play tiles
What extraordinary luck.
>>14625216
That's cute.
>>14625230
Are you bad at defense or something?
>>14625323
Here's a question for you. If you were a 2-dan like B-san here (who also happens to have R1688), what tile would you think to absolutely NOT discard?
Hint: He got the answer wrong
>>14625252
I have a deal-in rate of .095 and a 4th place rate of 12%, what do you think?
>>14625332
Probably an unlucky game, then, because only having 1500 points is laughable.
>>14625342
>an unlucky game
Only until those 5 ura-dora, though.
>名前を付けて保存: 天鳳ってホンマクソゲーやなぁ！！
>CB10: くそげーありがとうございました！！！！
Sometimes it's fun to idle in L0 and just read the chat.
>>14623666
In 7447? Even a 9d will keep pushing.
In 0000? Non-retards will insta-betaori unless they're 4th in oorasu or something.
>>14617847
>Name is Dojima
a big WAVE is coming
>>14625467
That sounds like it could've been an interesting game.
>>14617909
jesus christ
do hans stack over yakuman hand up to a double yakuman? or does the scoring stop with your yaku in this cases?
I mean, suppose the following case: you get a daisangen and you riichi then tsumo, similar to the case of this guy
Does it score higher than just doing ron on a daisangen without riichi?
>>14625591
No. Yakuman is yakuman.
>>14625597
then there is no point in revealing your tenpai
>>14625613
I'm guessing he did it with the intent of causing his opponents to fold, or maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
>>14625619
oh I didn't think of that
what do you like about mahjong that makes you play it?
For me, I consider it to be the perfect mixture of luck and strategy/knowledge, in which improvement and constant playing pays off but with an added thrill that makes it addicting
>>14625630
I like how everytime I talk about it I sound to normies as nosensical as the pasta of who could defeat uchiha madara
>>14625635
Is there a character who could possibly even get a direct hit on Akagi Shigeru in mahjong? Let alone defeat him. I'm not just talking about 13 year old Akagi, I'm not talking about Akagi in 1 shanten with a iipeikou and ittsu, hell I'm not even talking about Akagi in tenpai for a open riichi tanyao pinfu ryanpeikou ittsu chinitsu 10 dora kazoe yakuman (with possible 5 ura-dora and menzen tsumo), equipped with his sheer intuition, perfect tile efficiency, with control of the dealer seat for 7 honba, with the luck of the devil implanted in him so he can win on jigokumachi and can perform ronagari at any time while being an expert in damaten and atamahane.
>>14625324
I'd discard it because some men just want to watch the tiles burn
>>14625332
WOah hey, look at this tough guy on the internet! Isn't he cool? Isn't he what you wish your dad was? Man this guy is cooler than ice
>>14625809
He asked a question, m8.
>>14625324
That hatsu looks pretty safe to me. I mean, there's no way he could also have two hatsu after calling all those tiles.
Post 'em.
>>14626080
How shit am I?
>>14618596
>>14618604
>>14626092
Too many third places, but maybe they couldn't be helped.
21+14+10+16 = 61戦
1st at one, busted at the next. My deal in rate is 1% lower (.180) but when I do it's dealer mangan or something. And prob a third of those were riichi.
My defense is really weak, but I'm not sure how to improve.
>>14626301
http://justanotherjapanesemahjongblog.blogspot.com/p/list-of-defence-theory-articles.html
>>14626093
DORA JUU
>>14626319
Aka only counts once, but I got you covered.
>>14626093
>automatic Baiman
>>14626315
Dt(6)
>Also, there are many discard reading books about ura suji, aida yon ken, matagi suji on the market. You might be wondering, why hasn't there been any talk about discard reading.
>The reason is because according to game record statistics from 東風莊's super high level tables, this so called discard reading, do not affect the risk of related tiles. So when you're in betaori, it's better to ignore these "skills".
Well shit. And here I was planning to read those things.
Anyway, thanks for this.
>Get in tenpai with a 7-dora hand, a 4-dora hand, a 2-dora hand and a 4-dora hand in the same game
>Win none of them
Why do the mahjong gods like to torture me?
>>14626508
Mahjong gods scorn online play
And probably gaijin too
I fucking hate this kusoge.
>>14626959Yuneed to calm down.
>>14626959
I just watched this episode, are you stalking me anon?
>>14626970
Me too. What the fuck?
>>14627014
Me too!
3:4
>3:0
3:0 again
>>14626092
First you pass on a winning hand, then you win with a hand worth even less. Why?
Dammit Universe. Stop embarrassing yourself in front of the 5 dan!
>>14627802
gave up
though I considered passing on the second hand too cause I wanted that first place
>>14627873
How much was that last hand?
Tan yao, houtei raoyui, 2 dora.
>>14626080
2:0
2:0 faggots, get in here.
>jpsucks
Wow, rude.
>>14628656
That table looks so inviting.
What would you WWYD?
>>14629415
TON.
>>14629415
8p and this is a stupid question.
2:4
Why the fuck would you let the guy named jpsucks win?
>>14629478
Sorry I don't really mean that name.
>>14629478
Because /jp/ actually sucks?
>>14629459
>killing your Toi Toi potential
>>14629501
What are you talking about? 8p is the best discard if aiming for toitoi
>>14629506
I meant to reply to
>>14629450
>>14629501
>1 8p
>toitoi potential
NoNames start to mumble, they wanna rumble. Mix em and RON em in a pot like gumbo
>>14629570
Hands weren't forming and people all around the table were already in tenpai from what I can feel. So this is what being cat is like. That last round was just pathetic.
>>14629577
That was maybe the worst game I've played since early December. I'm just not in the right state of mind today. Good thing I stopped myself from goimg into L0.
I thought about going for a normal damaten Ii-pei-ko at the end, then I remembered that I'm in 7447 and that only toi-toi really works here.
Does anyone actually play seriously on 7447? I just fuck around trying to win bigger hands, and don't play defensively at all.
>>14629902
Same, I just try to do fun things and then get angry when I inevitably fail
>>14629902
Sometimes I play seriously, but if I can play offensively, I always do so.
>>14629902
I do, but I experiment most of the times and go for risky stuff I shouldn't usually go for.
>>14625647
5/5
>>14629415
8p.
Fuck sanshoku. It's more important to be 2-shanten after the first draw.
>>14629501
>toi toi while holding a complete 678 shuntsu
What level of stupid are you?
>>14630633
>not being flexible
If you don't draw into it you can just win with a Yakuhai but if you say draw another 6-7-8 and pon it you will want that pair/set of 6s
Do I get more when I ron off a dealer, or does the dealer pay more only when it's a tsumo?
>>14631853
Only when it's a tsumo.
Paying more on ron would mean being a dealer would be terrible.
>>14631853
Ron as dealer pays time and a half
Tsumo as dealer pays time and a half, everyone pays equally
Ron as non-dealer pays normally
Tsumo as non-dealer pays normally but the dealer pays 1/2 of the amount while everyone else pays 1/4
Why no more WWYD ?
>>14632116
I wanna say 1sou
>>14632116
8p for lowest shanten
>>14632116
Knowing me, I would discard 8pin to make use of the dora. But I would probably regret it later. Do you have more screenshots of this round?
>>14632116
7 Pin for Chi Toi. 1 Sou and 9 Pin are easier to snipe when the dealer is going for kuitan, especially when you can see 3 of both 2 Sou and 8 Pin.
>>14632188Ended in ryuukyoku[\spoiler]
>>14632157
I think the only case where the 8p is useless but the 1s is useful is if I draw a 4s and riichi shanpon on 1p 5s.
>>14632200
I maybe forgot to say I was playing in kuitan nashi, but this analysis about 2s & 8p remains relevant, I didn't think about it.
3:0
>>14633479
I'd play but I'm tired
>0:12
Wow what is happening
>>14633756
Oh, /a/ has a mahjong thread up right now too. Of course.
How does it feel to lose from a position of overwhelming lead?
This needs to be the OP.
>>14633881
I agree, that should be like the default image or something.
Can't believe I had the audacity to richii this
>>14634222
I don't know why you'd take the 3p over the 1p for a chiitoi like that.
>>14634231
But it worked
I'm moving to a different client, I can't trust tenhou anymore.
>>14634301
Why?
>>14634301
Yes, yes, come to Mahjong of Walkure. We have cute girlsand not-so-good porn of said cute girlshere.
>>14634388
Is there an install guide anywhere?
>>14634412
It's online.
>>14634240
>West round baiman
Unless you also had ura I count eight han. You won that game on a hell wait
Good job, the flow is strong within you
>>14634648
>eight han
Riichi, tsumo, chiitoi, dora2, akadora1. I count 7 for a haneman
>>14634731
You're right, disregard my earlier count
Does anyone knows an app to play withfriendsvia Bluetooth?
>>14634824
Yes. Counting is hard.
>>14634648
>hell wait
That's not a hell wait, because from the player's perspective. 3-pin is still live, aside from the one in the hand.
>>14634905
>friends
>>14617847
3.0
>>14634905
I don't think any of us have friends.
2:0
why this kind of luck happen only in 7447?
>>14636069
>3:0
>>14636069
>>14636088
>0:4
I'm always too late.
Wew close
>>14617847
a motherfucking daisangen was defused
get wrecked daisangen boya
>>14634905
There's this decent japanese one with anime girl icons.
VIRTUA-G or something
>>14636546
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.bustercurry.virtualtenho_g
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016011907gm-0089-0000-cf49a472&tw=3
>That final round
I bet the fucker to the left thought he had it.
>>14634648
No you were right. It was a baiman due to ura-dora.
>>14636546
>>14636599
Thanks anon.
>>14636064
>>14634951
They're Japanese lang. classmates, they're coming over to watch batsu game 2016.
They're also interested on learning how to play Mahjong, so...
>>14636071
Because of stupid players, who don't know how to prevent that.
>>14637254
>2:0
How the hell are you supposed to install Janryumon on Windows 8? I manage to get the launcher to start but when I click game download, it just shows a pop-up that says 'it can't install the game'.
>>14637309
Isn't Janryumon dead?
>>14637315
Is it? Why would the website still be up if it were?
AHHHHHHHH HOLY SHIT
Well, fuck me sideways.
What happened?!
>>14637391
I just got my first ever Yakuman and it was a musou. I'll post a cap after the game
>>14637406
I got you covered. It just came up on spectator mode.
>>14637411
>riichi
>>14637411
Kuyashii not so kuyashii after scoring yakuman.
>>14637418
He has balls, he deserved it.
>>14637418
Well it's not like he's planning on changing his hand, and no one expects Kokushi.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv249073854
>got a kokushit
>still didn't win
>>14637512
>Dealt into a kokushi like a retard
>Still didn't end fourth
Good game guys
>>14637512
I don't even care, I'm still excited about getting my first Yakuman
>>14637528
Congratulations. I was too busy feeling good about the baiman to notice to obvious kokushi wait.
It does prove my theory that I'll always draw the winning tile of whoever calls riichi right after they do it.
>>14637536
I would've dealt in too to be honest. I didn't even pay attention to the discard pool until you got hit.
>>14637494
ASAPIN's desktop is so messy.
>>14637494
Can't believe this scrub got to tenhoui
>>14637536
You should have noticed he was obviously aiming for kokushi though.
>>14637512
>>14637528
how the fuck did you not win
>>14637747
By having less points than the player who got 1st place?
Not him by the way.
>>14637747
It was a pretty long game and Saki played really well the entire time. I also think I played into Haneman or Baiman of his at one point.
Here's the game if you want to see
http://tenhou.net/5/?log=2016011911gm-0009-7447-6786a07e&tw=0&js=1
1:0
>>14637747
>>14637797
Apparently, he wasn't defending at all.
2:0
Come on fags, it's time for your daily dose of suffering.
red fives eliminate 90% of the skill factor in mahjong. normal dora and ura dora are fine though.
Ah, I wanted to see that suu-an-kou. Damn that stupid chi. There was a 3/13 chance of it happening during that last draw.
RIP Kokushi tenpai.
>>14639266
W-what the fuck is he doing?
