Castrén edition
>>61974227
Finn bro can you give a short summary about finnish history before they got under the swedes?
I'm curious because I never read much about it.
>>61974380
http://uralica.com/earlyfin.htm
Here you go fäm
>>61974474
Bedankt brah
is it offensive to call it Thinland?
Famalam let's kick Kazakhs out of Turan and find a new race to join us for diversity in 2016.
What are your candidates?
good night everyone
>>61974584
Can you rephrase? Didn't quite get what you're trying to say.
>>61974604
>let's kick Kazakhs out
y
>>61974604
>What are your candidates?
kazakhstan
>>61974610
he says /turan/ threads are causing butthurt on everyone but all we want is cultural unity
what are they scared of?
Why do finns persecute the finn-swedes living in Sweden so much? Our brothers live there too.
>>61974660
>what are they scared of
we're stronger when we work towards our common interests, go figure
I wonder wether or not the sheer existence of thread has ever been opposed so hardcore, despite it having no other aim than cultivating national idenitity and building bridges.
What are those people scared of?
>>61974660
Its probably because shitposting was pretty low here while the rest of /int/ is full with it.
>>61974604
Kazakhs stay.
>>61974667
We're not persecuting Finns living in Sweden, on the contrary. Swedes, on the other hand, used our war children for forced labor and generally look down upon and discriminate Swedish Finns.
>>61974584
Ignore those butthurt fags
gn
>>61974717
>>61974742
Why do finns persecute the finn-kazakhs living in Sweden so much? Our brothers live there too.
>>61974868
>2016
>not knowing japanese
>>61974604
Do not fall into divide and conquer shills. He didn't even prove he is a tatar.
>>61974947
Because I ride your mather like motorcycle
>>61974947
>finn-kazakhs
you're busting my balls, that is obviously an ethnic Finn
>>61974604
Kurultáj organizers would be very sad, they favorite country is Kazahstan
>>61974995
Just google his foto
You will find more at kazachan he is local shota
>>61974969
>>61975039
I googled ur mom and you happent
>>61975022
It's my favorite country too
>>61975103
>>61974994
Kek stop it
>>61975166
Baska bilmiyom zaten :D
In the 1920s, Turanism was popular in Japan. Japanese Turanists claimed that Hungarians and Japanese have shared ancestry, and that the forefathers of the Japanese had originated in the Euro-Asian region and resettled in the main island of Japan. In Japan, such Turanist organisations as Turanian National Alliance – Tsuran Minzoku Doumei (1921) – Turanian Society of Japan – Nippon Tsuran Kyoukai (early 1930's) – Japanese-Hungarian Cultural Association – Nikko Bunka Kyoukai (1938) – were founded.
>>61975497
>A pro-Finnish activity was carried in Japan in the Inter-War period by some Japanese nationalists influenced by Turanism. It found theoretical expression in, for example, a book entitled "Hann tsuranizumu to keizai burokku [Pan-Turanism and the Economic Bloc]," written by an economist. The writer insists that the Japanese should leave the tragically small Japanese islands and resettle to the northern and western parts of the Asian Continent, where their forefathers had once dwelt. For this purpose, they had to reconquer these ancestral lands from the Slavs by entering into alliance with the Turanian peoples. The Finns, one of those peoples, were to take a share of this great achievement.[21]
>>61975072
>>61975497
>>61975536
Will turan ever be a relevant ideology in the future or is it just a dream?
>>61974227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY7_qFj7ZYI
/turan/
>>61975536
>tfw the Udmurt land will never feel the glory of a Fenno-Turkic-Japanese liberation
Don't actually know why I'm still using the "Russia" name t b h. I've never been able to identify with the Slavs much even though I've made myself to. Very easy to feel that I'm one with the Ural-Altaic folks, though.
>>61975615
Turkey has the best chances to start it now, I think?
>>61975733
>>61975791
muh dick
also, sauce?
>>61975757
>Turkey has the best chances to start it now, I think
Turks will be a minority in Turkey in 50 years desu senpai
>>61975757
Eeh erdo is too much focused on allying the arabs.
>>61975757
Are Udmurts very conscious about their roots and identity? The Mari for instance had an independence movement post WW2, but Stalin pretty much extinguished their efforts by exterminating the "cream" of Mari-El advocating for independence. This included doctors, engineers, teachers and all other highly educated and smart people, leaving only the docile submissive ones alive.
>>61975733
おはようございます
>>61975870
>>61975879
My assumption is based purely on the amount of Turks in this thread and some materials posted. I see lmao
>>61975497
You know very much.
The study was stopped at 1945.
>>61975919
おはようございます
>>61975870
O kadar degildir yav.
>>61975857
Unfortunately I don't have the sauce
But I have a collection of people making bozkurt (grey wolf) hand sign
>>61975933
なるほど
戦争が終わったからな・・・
ちょっと日本語がしゃべりたくなったですけど、下手でごめんなさい。
>>61975918
My household was always conscious, but it never really came to anything like war because war was carried out by the Tatars (and lost), and Udmurts were technically well-respected later. We like our culture that's for sure, but I think it's being eroded all the same. Overall I feel like it's comparatively healthy, but the climate for any kind of development is completley wrong. Hope that makes sense...
>>61976273
It's also possible that I'm wrong, I actually need to read up on the history in detail. Take it as a commentary on how the average Udmurt is aware of his own history.
Why is the wolf such an important animal in Altaic culture/mythology? Even in Japan it used to be a venerated animal.
Granted, all Eurasian cultures seem to place a certain importance in wolves, but most (including Finns if I'm not mistaken) focus on fear or hatred of the animal, rather than veneration. Why are Altaic peoples different in this regard?
>>61976273
いいえ、ありがとう
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar%C3%A1thosi_Balogh_Benedek
He introduced that to Japan.
>>61976356
Most probably they were the first furryfags who wanted to be wolves or atleast have swing sex in wolf costumes
>>61976409
A wolf rode your father like motorcycle and you happent
>>61976356
Turkic one is because of she-wolf Asena
>a village raided by subhuman chinks
>chinks kill all turks except a baby
>chink general cuts arms and legs of the baby, doesn't want to kill him.
>he goes away, but changes his mind and returns to kill him.
>he saw a she-wolf, Asena is carrying him
>boy grows up and mates with she-wolf
>turks born
>>61976338
So I was right, we (southern Udmurts) went to war alongside the Tatars against Ivan the Terrible! Phew. And lost.
>>61976379
Ah, thank you. Good to know.
>>61976506
Do Udmurts have a figure for independence like Inäzor Purgaz?
>>61976537
No, we were never particularly oppressed, thus never campaigned for independence. Strange because the culture is well-defined.
>>61976622
You guys should start breeding like rabbits so that you have a shot at getting independence
>>61976506
>And lost.
damn, why do Uralic peoples have such a hard and sad history? Actually, not just Uralic, but also other distantly related peoples such as Chukchis, Eskimo-Aleutian peoples and Tungusic peoples. From Hungary to Chukotka, all of those people have had really difficult histories, often for different reasons, but all very difficult. Even the three countries which ended up surviving and thriving (Finland, Estonia and Hungary), they all have desolate national consciousness and tragic history. I've spent a lot of time studying Estonian history especially, it's crazy just how many times they almost went extinct.
>>61976677
Yeah, ideally. I feel like the Udmurts are incapable of starting anything if the Tatars aren't onto it as well though lmao. The Tatars did want independence, but geography didn't permit.
>>61976708
We've always been low on population because of how far North we live in and not very organized I guess
>>61977257
We did have our days of glory though
I am curious, do you all believe that the Altaic language family is real?
>>61977601
Here's some food for thought:
>“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”
http://english.fullerton.edu/publications/cln/clnarchives/2005fall/Tam-CompLanguage-rda.pdf
>>61977601
I don't actually believe that it is a real language family, but I think the constituent languages came very close one to another at some point. Some form of cultural unity in a shared space took place long ago.
>>61976356
In Mongolia the wolf lived the same way as the nomads. The nomads copied the wolves, hunting in the same way they do.
>>61976356
I was sitting in the train and a wolf ran up to me sat down next to me and layed against my leg.
http://astanatimes.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4eg3acw-U0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_wolf
do werewolves exist in the altaic mythology?
>>61987986
yes
no
>>61975022
will you visit Máté?
anybody else would go and see Kurultáj?
>>61989789
maybe
>>61987986
>>61988948
yes actually.
>>61991273
Do you have an example?
>>61974607
>>61974868
>>61974969
>anime shit
Can I ask you to leave without any trouble sir?
>>61991301
Armenians
>>61991392
>>61991392
kek
>>61977389
WE
>>61991392
hello guys
>>61992038
helo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTyKuTIUNBg
>>61992079
what is up?
>>61992079
Hey mate, how's your day going?
>>61992141
moar. I love steppe nations' music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZt52d9k4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKgJ1HHS7xY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8JYi_ZwBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3y01rwrsrE
morin khuur with orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUNx-ZBP99s
mongolian metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s52GMuJE4vI
>>61976506
This is a book about Turanism written by Barathosi's disciple.
←"Turan people sphere" ツラン民族圏
This book was prohibited to be published by GHQ in 1945.
(GHQ…Douglas MacArthur's occupation army)
>>61994269
why?
>>61994323
the jew devils fear the might of turán
>this whole fucking thread
Lol
>>61994428
You have no power in this realm gercuck
>>61994558
If you really believe this shit you are mentally challenged or a fat virgin Neet
>>61994623
t. Robert Goldstein
>>61994323
GHQ prohibited Japanese various things.
historical study, religion study, ethnic studies, martial arts, publishing, speech, etc...
>>61994403
Thank you for your supplementary explanation. But Jew was nothing to do with that directly. They were United Nation's army.
Post our fav releavant song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaNebGkXZFs
>>61994762
Why did they do that?
>>61994762
>many officials sent out by Washington to help govern Japan were Jewish and thus Communists
They always do
>>61994936
Because they tried to deny Japanese culture.
They wanted just only to say that Japanese are selfish invaders.
The purposes of Japanese were only two things.
One was to get comparable power with Westerners for Eastern people.
Another was to learn true origin of their own country.
>>61994954
A part of them sometimes taught us about sophisticated democracy also.
It seems that some of them had used us as a guinea pig for their idealism by courtesy lol.
>>61995890
>democracy
I've never even heard much about Japanese politics though, I just know who's the emperor and that's about it. How is the political climate over there? Do people even care about politics?
>>61995890
There was an election in Japan right? I saw it on NHK.
>>61996001
There are only too large countries around our country.
In those, We live with abiding by our own rule.
>>61996106
An election was right.
The party that was selected by nations won.
>>61996564
Uhh I meant like, what political parties are there, what are they like, who are the candidates what do people think of them and stuff like that.
>>61976708
>distantly related peoples
Niggaa wut? Why not include the Japanese Empire to that list too
>>61996731
Magyarbro what do you think about the Jobbik party?
>>61997195
I voted for them the last election and will probably vote for them next time too. They look like opportunistic fucks but fuck me all the other parties are literally trash.
>>61997258
They are literally the only Turanic party that I know of. How bad are they really?
>>61997258
>Based Orban
>Trash
>>61997324
Vona is a stone faced businessman, but they haven't done anything bad per se. I just don't really trust politicians to be anything other than snakes.
>>61997325
He's a corrupt gypsy, literally everyone in the country hates him right now. The only reason he's not on the verge of being lynched is because he told the EU fuckers off and people liked that.
>>61997325
Orban is an EU economic bootlicker
>>61997528
I understand, politicians are not to be trusted, I am with you on that.
>>61997579
And how are the politics in mongolia? Do people even care?
>>61997812
Absolute trash, but this time everyone gathered round and voted in the Commies. I don't vote and I hate Commies but the rest of the parties do absolutely nothing.
>>61997905
Have you ever been abroad and met a Mongoolian (that you knew from Mongolia)?
>>61997950
Yeah, it happened once. I was in Moscow.
>>61996731
The strongest party is 'the Liberal Democratic Party'.
90% of prime ministers after WW2 are that party.
They are conservatives.
And there are several opposition parties.
There is also communism party.
>>61997905
Well that sounds like good fun, the less people care about politics the better the country is though I guess
>>61998010
> Liberal Democratic Party
>conservatives
I guess there's just not much to note then
>>61998121
But the problem is that they use their power to steal money from us and sell our land to foreigners. It's disgusting. I think the Commies won't do that at least.
>>61997988
Are you sure it wasn't just a Russian descendant of the Golden Horde? It's hard to tell sometimes
>>61998196
> they use their power to steal money from us and sell our land to foreigners
That's like, every political party ever.
>I think the Commies won't do that at least
I'd doubt that, we had the socialists a while back and they literally did the same thing. And now they whine that the Orbán does it and I'm like what the fuck are you niggers talking about.
>>61998245
What? I only go to Russia for business. My ethnic heritage is 100% mongol for all I can tell.
>>61998338
It was a joke about Russians being Mongolian rapebabbies bro
>>61998338
do you have these in mongolia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-Q8TUoA6g
>>61998549
Ayy, sorry my friend my reading comprehension isn't the best. But nah.
>>61998121
That may be the case.
They're also authoritarianism.
>>61998599
Yeah we do.
>>61998679
> authoritarianism
That's nice, I'm starting to get sick of these "weed duude fuck da police xD" autists.
>>61998989
bunun tl;dr yaparmisin?
Eskiden beri ve hâlen, tarikat ve cemaatleri illegal sayanları, başörtülü kızları okumaktan men edenleri de sevmem! İlim ve fikir adamlarını hapis ve mahkemelere sevk edenleri, tetik çekenleri serbest, tesbih çekenleri mahkûm edenleri de sevmem!
Sevmek zorunda mıyım? Hayır! Ehl-i dünya bize derse ki: Sen bizi sever misin? Beğeniyor musun? Eğer seversen, neden bize küsüp karışmıyorsun? Eğer beğenmiyorsan bize muârızsın. Biz muârızlarımızı ezeriz.
Elcevap: Ben değil sizi, belki dünyanızı sevseydim, dünyadan çekilmezdim. Ne sizi ve ne de dünyanızı beğenmiyorum. Fakat karışmıyorum. Çünkü ben başka maksattayım; başka noktalar benim kalbimi doldurmuş, başka şeyleri düşünmeye kalbimde yer bırakmamış. Sizin vazifeniz ele bakmaktır, kalbe bakmak değil. Çünkü idarenizi, âsâyişinizi istiyorsunuz. El karışmadığı vakit, ne hakkınız var ki, hiç lâyık olmadığınız halde Kalb de bizi sevsin demeye?
Kalbe karışsanız: Evet, ben nasıl bu kış içinde baharı temennî ediyorum ve arzu ediyorum; fakat irade edemiyorum, getirmeye teşebbüs edemiyorum. Öyle de, hal-i âlemin salâhını temenni ediyorum, duâ ediyorum ve ehl-i dünyanın ıslâhını arzu ediyorum. Fakat irade edemiyorum; çünkü elimden gelmiyor. Bilfiil teşebbüs edemiyorum; çünkü ne vazifemdir, ne de iktidarım var.
Kalplerimize dahi ipotek koymaya kalkan zorbalara asla aldırmayız. Bütün mekteplerde ve dairelerde ve halkta, o ölmüş dehşetli Yahudi Dönmesi'nin muhabbeti telkin ediliyor. Bu hâl ise, âlem-i İslâma ve istikbale pek elîm ve acı bir tesiri olacaktı.
>>61998909
>authoritarianism
Last time that happened here 800,000 people died, including my grandfather.
is turan a meme?
>>61999056
Well I'm pretty sure there's varying degrees to it. Obviously I wouldn't want people getting executed on the streets and shit but this "sovereign citizen" level bullshit is starting to get too far.
>>61999097
Everything is.
>>61999097
Turanism is the only alternative to the decadent mainstream of 2000s
>>61998909
You are nice Hungarian.
>>61999156
Stopping that isn't authoritarianism it is simply stopping outlaws.
>>61999199
Do you know some ancient Japanese words who survive to this day and didn't actually come from Chinese?
>>61999188
i don't know guy who open this thread connecting with finland ip. It should be meme.
>>61999363
t. Adar
>>61999363
Reality is multifaceted.
>>61999363
Torudan glemissen, sirf fazla ciddiye alma ve kültür toplumu olarak gör.
Sandigin gibi meme degil.
>>61999199
You're nice too.
>>61999271
I doubt Japanese execute people on the streets and stuff either, they just have a respect for authorities and don't act like jackasses because it's "cool". That's what I mean by being more authoritarian.
>>61999407
>>61999421
that's kamal
/tr/ is ded and there isn't any thread so he came here
ignore him
>>61999455
That's not his real name.
>>61999432
toruchan is a one of the biggest shit hole in the turkish internet history! Dont go there!
>>61999568
i know
he once said ''sadık'' but it's not sure
>>61999296
yama kawa umi tani...
Most words are not from Chinese.
>>61999296
There are at least two pronunciation for every word in Japanese
Basically onyomi is chinese kunyomi is japanese pronunciation
Çoğunlukla kural şöyle birleşik kelimelerde onyomi kullanılırken tekil kelimelerde kunyomi kullanılır
Örneğin 新しい世界 ve 新世界 bu ikisi de aynı anlama geliyor
ama soldakine "新" kunyomi yani japoncasıyla okunur sağdakinde onyomi yani çince okunuşuyla
Pek bildiğimden değil japona sormak gerek yanlış olabilir söylediklerim
>met many turanist qts on interpals
>>61999871
>too ugly to use interpals
>>61999999
fuck you smelly spice eating t*rk
>>61999999
Shit get desu
Let's see the other
>>61000000
>>61999999
kek
>>61999999
Wasted get desu baka
who has >>62000000
>>61999999
>999999
oha
>>61999999
wew
>>61999999
good get
>>62000087
are you fucking retarded?
>>61999999
hahaha çirkinliğinle ünlü oldun tebrikler
>>61999999
K*rd gets hexes
>>61999999
AAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHA
>>61999999
>i am so ugly that my digits can approve
why even live
>>61999871
>wtf is going on outside
Sounds like gunfire and RPGs.
>>62000315
Seriously?
>>62000315
You sure it's not just fireworks?
can somebody give men an example of old japanese language
>>62000353
I don't know, it's so loud and reminds me of the time I was in the army.
Probably nothing though, my mind is on extreme slow, it's 2 am.
>>62000448
>I was in the army
I thought you said in another thread that you avoided conscription altogether somehow?
>>62000501
That's the other guy.
>>62000434
warawa wa warawa ja
>>62000532
WHAT?
>>62000573
ha?
>>62000574
there are two mongolians here
>>62000574
There is another Mongol poster than me.
>>62000434
awarenari
>>62000620
>>62000635
So who's the one who said this?
This is the Mongolian version of the "town rapist".
>>62000532
Ah, what's the Mongolian military like? I too have conscription coming up and considering skipping it by pretending to be unstable.
>>62000573
genius
>tfw you'll never have a mongolian qt
I'd make Cumania great again.
What would Yrjö Koskinen do?
>>62000676
That would be me.
>>62000690
Fucking shit man, I spent a month doing construction work. Food was terrible, I lost so much weight. The rest was ok though, I got to shoot an AK and an RPG.
>>62000659
so that's old japanese?
how do you say it in modern japanese then?
>>62000708
kansha shimasu
>>62000784
How much time did you spend there in total? In Finland it's about 6 to 12 months.
>>62000794
şöyle okunuyor hocam: yarrak
>>62000573
>>62000708
can someone tell us the inside joke?
>>62000933
One year.
>>62000794
kangai bukai desu
>>62000837
Can I ask you a question?
Are you Japanese?
>>62000448
>>62000532
Can you two post throughout the same minute in order to prove that you're not samefagging?
Post at 20:12 Eastern Europe's time (that would be 2:12 in Mongolia unless you live in the west) in the same time.
>>62001104
He is not in the thread. You have linked to my posts.
>>62001007
>warawa wa warawa ja
'I am me.' in ancient Japanese.
>>62001173
It would be nice to hear that there are three Mongolians in here. I have talked to a 18 year-old kid from a Mongolian university a couple of months ago, it's weird that there are three of you.
How did you stumble upon this website?
Are you from province or from Ulaanbaatar?
>>62001007
there's not much of an inside joke, warawa is an archaic way to refer to yourself (generally female) so "I am me" would be warawa wa warawa which sounds funny
>>62001077
no, I am just a lowly weeb
Actually, we have used Chinese kanji words much since the Modern period.
Many people misunderstand.
Many kanji words that today's Japanese use are translation words of Westerner language.
science, religion, freedom, nation, law, economy, capital, physics...
These were no concepts in Japan once.
We made those words for introducing Westerner's concept.
http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/08/examples-of-japanese-words-adopted-into-chinese/
These are called 'Japan-made Chinese words'.
>>62001246
I live in UB. I come to this site when my friend showed it to me.
>>61999999
Checkd
>>62001248
I got it.
I was surprised a little.
>>61999999
wew lad
>>62001248
>>62001212
thanks anons
here is a similar one in turkish "müdür müdür müdür"
means "is manager a manager?"
>>62001448
thanks, I can read most stuff with furigana but kanji and actually speaking are beyond me
>>62001527
>müdür müdür müdür?
müdürdür
>>62001527
there's probably stuff like that in most languages, what I can think of right now is kő követ követ stone follows stone
Do you know this game?
>>62002048
Sheep's knuckles. With the sheep, goat, horse and camel
>>62002048
Do you throw one in the air and catch another up from the floor?
>>62002495
They are like dice, you roll them on the ground and see which side is facing up.
>>62002048
Yeah that's called aşık
>>62002650
lolwhat?
>mfw the Mongolians are the only ones keeping the bread alive
>when they go to sleep the bread dies
>>62006819
not true, are you baiting?
I want to ask what are finnish kareleans really are and how did they end up in there?
>>62006964
What type of ethnic features they have compared to other finns*
>>62006964
>>62007009
They're the original Finns tbqh famiglia
>>62007586
can you give a small recap on history? Asking for my wife's son.
>>62007666
what
>>62008288
What makes them the original finns for example
>>62001289
It's pretty badass... teaching the Chinese their own language. China got Turan'd so hard at this point. XD
Even the Mandarin speech of Beijing evolved under the influence of Mongolian and perhaps Tungusic, though I lost the link explaining the developments.
>>62008383
"Original Finns" sounds like an uncertain concept to me desu. There were many tribes, one of them the Slavic chronicles record under the name of Sum'. So I think it's overwhelmingly likely that Sum' = Suomi. Given that, IIRC the Sum' tribe lived in SW Finland.
gn
bump
>>62009442
And Khitan and Jurchen had made also Kanji scripts that are different from Chinese one once..
turan
>>62000715
Cumans were turks not mongols
>>62014918
Are Gagauzes the closest living relatives of Cumans, I wonder?
