Apparently, according to the French media the name Occitanie is on the lead in the poll for choosing the name for the new region, beating other proposals such as Occitanie-Pays Catalan, Languedoc, Languedoc-Pyrènees and Pyrénées-Méditerranée.
How does this make you feel? Will Occitan experience a revival? Will catalanism rise in Northern Catalonia due to their exclusion from the name?
After abominations such as Hauts-de-France and Grand Est we finally get a new decent name. Hope that the name for the south-western region will just be Aquitaine.
>>60662249
Why do you care?
Sometimes I have the impression France is a superpower since many people talk of anything and everything on /int/ while it's a shit country.
>>60663553
Regions are quite important in Italy.
Also it's nice to see the southern French being conscious of their history despite centuries of centralisation.
Also autism.
>>60663553
Because France is great.
>>60663725
we don't need more muh heritage.
>>60662249
>Will Occitan experience a revival?
Maybe but not thanks to this, I doubt it will have much impact
>>60663853
>literally one of the most important literary language during the Middle Ages
>PAS DE MUH HERITAGE
Yeah no fuck you
>>60662249
Revive Les Pays-Bas Français
>>60663941
Given the sociolinguistic prestige of Standard French, I doubt Occitan will see much of a revival.
Occitanie was a mistake
>>60664019
Catalan is still alive and well in northern Catalonia though.
>>60664019
Well I'm just saying this because pretty much anything can happen during this century, otherwise I don't see any reason it would rise again
The culture and heritage is popular here, but the language isn't spoken by a lot of people and certainly not as an everyday language, I don't know anyone who learned it at home either,always at school in option
>>60663969
Look, the good barons from the north crushed the quasi-secessionist southerners and their catharism ; they've been the bitch of the King of France since then.
pic related
>>60664111
Regional languages in Spain weren't raped as much as French ones tbf
>>60664167
Based Simon
>>60664167
That's not why the language almost disapeared tho
>>60664207
Northern Catalonia is what the french government calls "Roussillon/Pays Catalan".
>>60664167
Occitan was spoken by pretty much everyone in Southern France at the end of the XIX century m8.
>>60662249
What are you even talking about
>>60664250
true, but it showed them who was the boss in France.
>>60664329
peasants yes.
>>60664347
>peasants yes.
So what? It only means that it was the language of the people. Even the upper classes of Northern Italy spoke French.
>>60664270
Oh yeah right, since it's south for us I didn't realize
>>60664347
>peasants yes.
Not only no.
>Administrative language
>Lots of literature including poetry, theatre, novels, opera
>The troubadours export it everywhere in Europe
>Science language
>Trade language
>>60664335
New regions and new region names, that are decided through vote
>>60664430
Like a fellow countryman said earlier, it won't have much impact. French was well enforced, but at best occitan revival will only make the headlines of the local newspaper. I really don't know what do you expect. A total change ? France suddenly splits in two and the south speaks occitan ?
Plus our government is much more interested in pushing another culture here.
>>60664270
Also it depends what you mean with "alive and well". In that case too everyone speaks French in their everyday life and not much people know Catalan, it's not like Spanish Catalonia at all even if their kept a strong identity
>>60665116
Sure but I don't really see how it is relevant to saying "it's a peasant language"
Even if French overtook it it doesn't erase what it was before
>>60665216
J'ai supprimé mon poste parce qu'on tourne en rond en fait, j'ai toujours pas compris ce qu'attend l'OP.
>>60664347
>true, but it showed them who was the boss in France.
You sound like an unsufferable twat
Yes, we need more regionalism autism in Europe. It's great.
>>60665394
why ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
>>60665380
Bah il a juste largement surestimé la réforme des régions, d'autant que tout le monde qui ne soit pas né hier va continuer de parler de Languedoc-Roussillon et Midi-Pyrénées malgré la fusion
>>60665546
en effet
>>60665394
Well even I living in Occitania got to admit they were properly buttfucked
>>60662249
>Will catalanism rise in Northern Catalonia due to their exclusion from the name?
Necessitem algo millor, germà.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitano-Romance_languages
>>60665686
>Bataille
Well played, but getting stucked in a valley wihile getting massacred without possibility of retalation is not a battle.
>>60665714
>Capital: Fijac
Literaly why
It's qt but that'll all
>>60665714
Glorious, but the capital should be Toulouse and the flag is horrible.
>>60665891
>but also a realignment of the County of Toulouse, bringing it into the sphere of the French crown and diminishing the distinct regional culture and high level of influence of the Counts of Barcelona.
good crusade
>>60665891
It is, just a shit one
Crusaders were assholes anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_B%C3%A9ziers?oldformat=true
Does anyone even say oc instead of oui anymore?
>>60666018
>the flag is horrible
The one on the bottom already exists so might as well use it
Daily reminder that Catalan people and Occitan people are literally the same, have the same origins, the language is basically the same and was exactly the same until some Catalan dumbfucks from Barcelona tried to restructurate it (looking at you Pompeu Fabra), where historically put together by themselves and foreigners and where only divided into "different peoples" until much later in history mostly due to the French and Spanish centralization.
>During the Middle Ages, for five centuries (8th to 13th) of political and social convergence of these territories, there was no clear distinction or separation between Occitan and Catalan. For instance, the Provençal troubadour, Albertet de Sestaró, says: "Monks, tell me which according to your knowledge are better: the French or the Catalans? and here I shall put Gascony, Provence, Limousin, Auvergne and Viennois while there shall be the land of the two kings."[2] In Marseille, a typical Provençal song is called 'Catalan song'. (M. Milà i Fontanals, De los Trobadores en España, p. 487)
>>60666123
Nope
Not people my age anyway, some grandpas do
>>60666018
The flag is horrible because the independentist Catalan flag (estelada) is horrible, it comes from the Cuban shitty flag and it hurts my eyes whenever I see it, on the contrary the Senyera is absolutely glorious. The shield in the bottom should be the flag.
>>60665714
lol.Catalan and Occitan aren't even official language.And Basque is an offical language even if there's no Basque in the country
>>60662249
L L I U R E
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>>60666371
What?
>>60666371
In Spain in the region of Catalonia both Occitan and Catalan are official, although Occitan is mostly spoken in the Aran Valley we still have news in Occitan in the local public news channel for all the region (TV3-3/24).
>>60666550
>>60666371
Catalan is the sole official language in Andorra btw
>>60662249
Isn't it called Touluse?
>>60666604
Wew I forgot about them
>>60666666
vérifiés
>>60666666
fuck you
>>60666666
nice get frogger
>>60666666
SIXIXIXIX>>60666666
>>60666666
completely wasted get.
embarrassing
>>60663969
South hate Italy more than North, don't think we will be friends because we changed our name.
>>60666666
checked
>>60666666
nice digits
>>60666666
faggot
>>60666666
fuck mon
>>60666745
>roleplaying countries
Kill yourself.
>>60666666
Andorra confirmed for being a myth
>>60666666
>>60666666
>satan sextuplets
Always knew it'd be a frog desu
>>60666666
Nice get satan
>>60666666
good digits mon ami
>>60666666
mon dieu
>>60666644
Toulouse is the biggest city of the region
>>60666666
Andorra confirmed for most irrelevant country on earth by Satan himself
>>60666666
comes once in a life time
>>60666848
Fuck I need to finish watching this show but don't remember where I left it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGO9IRJeqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx1HqpfV6FE
>>60666962
unlike ur mum lmao
>>60666792
Roleplaying countries is the basis of /int/ newfag.
>>60666967
I finished binging it on Netflix last night
>>60666666
>>60666666
You forgot the check em?
>>60666666
nice dubs
>>60667025
I think Anne wasn't dead yet so I wasn't very far
As far as this kind of show goes I watched Borgias too, it's pretty good
Is it pronounced Oksi, Okki or Ossi
>>60667220
First one
>>60667134
You're less than halfway then
I never got around to watching the last series of The Borgias
>>60667220
First one
>>60665686
>8
>15.000-20.000
ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?
>>60667113
>six sextuplets
>dubs
>>60667262
Tits kept me motivated
But Rodrigo Borgia was one of my fav part of the show so as soon as he started becoming senile my hype went down
>>60666666
Andorra doesn't exist : it is confirmed.
>>60667322
Good exemple of dubs, thanks
>>60667391
Where the hell am I supposed to find booze that cheap now
>>60662249
>Will catalanism rise in Northern Catalonia
Isn't Perpignan mostly niggers and moors?
>>60667515
Yes, but in their defense that's true of every French city above 100 000 tbf
>>60667515
Dunno but I've heard that they're quite
>muh heritage
about Catalonia and stuff, even if a lot of them doesn't even speak Catalan
>>60665714
Fuck off Aquitane is ours
>>60662249
>Occitani
Make Catharism great again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx1HqpfV6FE
>>60667590
>unironically wanting to make Qatar great
>>60667585
>Aquitane
>Aragon
>Basques
The basque nationalist delusions truly know no boundaries.
>>60667633
made me laugh more than it should have
>>60667590
Does anyone know where one can find the lyrics? It sounds glorious
>>60667590
Catharism was based af
Weird and heretic but still, they wanted to go back to less material possession and more spirituality
Also castles n shit
>>60667915
Their only fault was that reproduction was deemed evil because the material world was seen as such a shithole that condemning someone to live in it by birth was seen as ammoral.
You aint gonna survive long with such a dogma.
>>60668014
>the material world was seen as such a shithole that condemning someone to live in it by birth was seen as ammoral
That's true though. Didn't know that there already were religions which taught that in the Middle Age
>>60667755
Is a joke map, still not less joke than yours
>>60668089
Beliefs were really diverse before Sunnis and catholicism started making massive gains and solidifying their rule from the 5th to the 12th century.
Christianity was quiete heterogenous in the beginning and sometimes merged with other relgions, resulting in bizarre crossbreeds like the Manicheans.
Cathars, just as the bulgarian bogomils were really interesting.
They rejected the old testament as a work of the devil, believed in reincarnation and their priests were vegetarians. Western medieval bhuddism so to speak.
>>60667585
Every country in the world belongs to france
>>60663553
>Sometimes
do you only have nukes sometimes?
>>60667818
I tried as hard as I could but can't find them anywhere
The whole album is on spotify tho
>>60667818
I don't know if it's catalan or occitan but I understand everything that is possible to be heard, some things are unintelligible because of how close they are pronounced.
oiu (?) els nobles cants varen (?) del sur
>hear the noble chants from the south
cançó del sant calze sortirà de Monsegur
>song of the saint chalice that will come from Monsegur
el grial consolat
>the grail consolat ("consolament" was a religious baptism in Catharism)
el grial, calze reial
>the grail, royal chalice
s'ha lli...(?) vestits de blancs, càtars perfectes misa de (?)
>(?) dressed white, perfect cathars, mass of...(?)
caballers del calze del san grial, sortiu de les muralles en marxa triomfal
>knights of the saint grail chalice, get out of the walls on a triumphal march
glòria a l'altíssim, glòria a la bellísima glòria (or Glòria), glòria a les (?), glòria a les ànimes bones, glòria
>glorious be the highness (God), glorious be the beautifull glory (might be Glòria a feminine catalan/occitan name, maybe a saint?), glory to the (?), glory to the good souls, glory
glòria a la verge, glòria, glòria a la bellíssima glòria, glòria a la mare de dèu, glòria, glòria a la Núria, glòria
>glory to the virgin, glory, glory to the beautifull glory (again, might be the personal name Glòria), glory to the mother of God, glory, glory to the Núria (a feminine saint typical from the Pyrenees), glory
aleluya
>hallelujah
All I could.
>>60668941
where i said "highness" I should have said "almighty", it's a better translation in english
>>60666666
DIGITS CONFIRM CRUSHING OF CATALAN SHIT PIGS
>>60666666
IT'S ANOTHER BATTLE OF MURET
>>60669088
>88
Calm down, Hitler.
>>60668941
They're spaniards, pretty sure they're catalan.
>>60668941
Good job
>>60668941
ok, edited version, now I understood some more.
oiu (?, might be occitan or old catalan) els nobles cants venen(?) del sud
>hear the noble chants from the south
cançó del sant calze sortirà de Monsegur
>song of the saint chalice that will come from Monsegur
el grial consolat
>the grail consolat ("consolament" was a religious baptism in Catharism)
el grial, calze reial
>the grail, royal chalice
s'han lliçenciat (maybe..), vestits de blanc, càtars perfectes, misa de blanc
>they graduated(?), dressed white, perfect cathars, white mass
caballers del calze del sant grial, sortiu de les muralles en marxa triomfal
>knights of the saint grail chalice, go out of the walls on a triumphal march
glòria a l'altíssim, glòria a la bellísima glòria (or Glòria), glòria als bons homes, glòria, glòria a les ànimes bones, glòria
>glory to the almighty, glorious be the beautiful glory (might be Glòria a feminine catalan/occitan name, maybe a saint?), glory to the good men, glory to the good souls, glory
glòria a la verge, glòria, glòria a la bellíssima glòria, glòria a la mare de dèu, glòria, glòria a la Núria, glòria
>glory to the virgin, glory, glory to the beautifull glory (again, might be the personal name Glòria), glory to the mother of God, glory, glory to the Núria (a feminine saint typical from the Pyrenees), glory
aleluya
>hallelujah
>>60669671
The group is spanish but they aren't catalan afaik, most of them are not even actually spanish but russians and such.
>>60669955
They have a website
>>60669897
You're great, thanks latin brother.
>>60670090
Yes, it's a really weird band, they seem to have their origin in Russia and for what I've read in their website they did their first concerts in Russia and Ukraine but then they moved to Spain and stayed for good.
All their members seem to be Russian or Ukrainian.
http://consolament.com/componentes/
>>60670130
You are welcome.
what the fuck is this all about
>>60670366
Which part of the thread
>>60670417
everything
>>60670366
Occitaniaboos and sixtuplets
>>60670366
Cathars versus the evil forces of Satan and his digits
