>>57058303
Because Ukranian national identity is based on crimes against their neighbors.
>>57058303
Good old Russian internet corps making it out worse than it is.
I don't know. I just want Lwów and we can be friends with them forever.
Because it's a non-country made from other people's lands who proceeded to piss all of their neighbors off after it was created.
>>57058303
Explanation:
1. the name Ukraine in Russian translates like "at the border". It's not a geogaphical term, it's a describtion of the location.
2. It is not an ethnicity since half of the country are Russians and the other parts are about Hungary, Poland, Turkey and Romania.
3. Their nationalism is based on that because it has never been a country nor a nation. So all they could pick up from the anals of history about something they can identify themselves with was burning polish villages and killing belorussians and russians not to be killed by germans.
That's all folks.
All countries created for political purposes, and therefore they are not ethnic or cultural nations should disappear.
>>57058345
Take that shithole with all nationalists and raghul-bydlos inside and we'll be best friends.
>>57058700
>gib Crimea back
>take that shit Lvov
Seriously, why do you need a country? You don't even know what to do with it.
>>57058726
Where did I said
>Gib Crimea back
?
Are you retarded or smth?
>>57058536
>Ukraine
1. It comes from polish, as I remember, but there it means same shit
2. Idiotic argumentation
3. again, idiotic argumentation
>>57058303
>Poland
maybe cuz ukrainian nationalist slaughtered polacks, I think they hated each over more than us before Crimea and other shit.
>>57058332
This is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHHTULVaRK4
>>57058763
>Where did I said Gib Crimea back
In my imagination. Taras, what is wrong with you?
>>57058303
What's a real nationality? What's a fake one? Are Americans or Canadians real nationalities, being nations of uneven lumps of immigrants? Are the French, German, or Spanish real nationalities, being lumps of similar but slightly different groups of people? Ethnogenesis is one thing, nationality is another. Nationalism has its origin in the mid-1600s, but didn't gain traction until the mid-1800s. If you boil nationality down to ethnic nationalism, most nationalities are "fake," so it's a moot point to ask if the Ukrainians are. Now, if you want to ask, "should the Ukraine belong to Russia?" or "should Crimea belong to Russia?", then we might get somewhere.
>>57058882
Then you should wake up and clean your pants, lecture is over, Ivan.
>>57058303
>"I'm Ukrainian not Russian"
>"Altho, I speak Russian and not Ukranian"
Every Ukranian I meet
>>57058303
Tbh Ukraine is older than Russia and as old as Poland.
Kievan Rus = Ukraine and Belarus.
This thread is stupid
>>57058904
I wanted to post something like this, but my skills in english ruined everything
>>57058939
Had the Eastern Slavic split happened by the time of Kievan Rus? Werent they the same people at the time?
>>57058905
>take Lvov
>lecture is over, clean your pants
Oh dat hohol bright mind.
>be part of rzeczpospolita for ages
>bro but we want more and more
>poland: fuck off
>ok then we go to russia now
>50 years late: no autonomy, russification, ukrainian language banned, banned ukrainian church
they are dumb as fuck to be honest
>>57058967
The cultural split was always there. Mongol invasion didn't help either.
Poles didn't even care about their eastern neighbours up to 1100.
>>57058990
>be part of rzeczpospolita for ages
They kinda were Russia for 1000 years.
>>57058967
They weren't even under Kievan Rus, it was just a bunch of slavic tribes, sonehow united under one flag.
Also I summon buttblasted pidorashka here who will explain us that KR is irrelevant and there was many Ruses in that time
>>57058990
>that crown
El PeruANO...
>>57058990
>We have truce with Turks, let it go
>B-BUT WE COSSACKS WE WANT TO RAID XDDD
>raid Ottomans, drag Poland into war with them
>rebell against Poles
>B-BUT WHY POLES HATE US XDDD You be opressin us n shit XD
Couple centuries later they kill Polish civilians. Brutally murder women(pregnant women), children even infants.
>>57059042
it's not a crown desu, but a Hetman's headpiece.
We wuz Sarmatian n shit.
>>57059032
Kievan Rus was a viking camp anyway.
>>57059048
>Couple centuries later they kill Polish civilians. Brutally murder women(pregnant women), children even infants.
I fail to see a problem here.
>>57059025
>>57058990
t. historians level /b
left coast of dnipro belonged to russia, while right - to poland
>>57059032
Idiot, the term Kievan Rus was accepted only in the 19th century. Back then it was called jsut Rus'.
>>57059083
Das rite.
>>57059100
But the founders were Vikings that wanted to raid Byzantium.
Russia formed from Muscovy much later.
>>57059071
Still, the two feathers thing just reminded me of the crown Inca kings used to wear, since they also wore a "crown" that was just two feathers from some exotic bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdyNnBIRWJs
>>57059100
pls don't steal ukrainian history
>>57059126
it looks effay af
>>57059129
>eternal russian tries to stir shit up between poles and ukrainians
>>57059129
>>57059149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlgYFsLLsM&feature=youtu.be&t=37
>>57059048
>we wuz pans n shiet
>we wuz szlachta n shiet
>we kept ukrs as peasant slaves n shiet
>we fuckd deir womens and sent deir men as cannon meat to our wars n shiet
>fug y dey so ankry y dey robbin our villages fug fug
Anyway, it a pointless discussion
>>57059149
>polish-ukrainian relationships
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFYBTEm1go
>>57059237
Face it, peasants at that time were a kind of cattle whatever their ethnicity was. You weren't special snowflake.
Ukrainian nationalism start and ends with russophobia.
>>57059244
I respect the old lad, he did a fine job protecting Poland. But it's different times, and different times have different people living in them and different geopolitical conditions.
>>57059237
But Cossacks liked to be our war meat, didn't they lol?
They were actually mad at us that we weren't in war.
I agree that we may have not used all of Cossack potential, especially that we could use them in 30 years war and they could win a lot with Hussars, but as you may know, we were always exhausted by wars.
Turks, Russians, Swedes, wars everywhere.
>>57059281
>American patriotism starts and ends with white supremacy
>any kind of nationalism starts and ends with racism
:^)
>>57059281
>start and ends with russophobia.
That's bullshit.
It was Polonophobia. The main enemies of Ukraine in 1939-1944 were Poles.
soon
>>57059310
Hohols played on turkish side in Crimean war though. And in Russo-Swedish war when swedes sided turks, hohols jopined them too.
>>57059362
>joined
selfix
>>57059354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nSmxyAKQUI
>>57059354
Alleh Akbar infidel, You shall never take what is ours! Europa is muslim.
>>57059362
>>57059391
I know. They also tried to use Crimeans against us in their rebellion.
>>57059339
>The main enemies of Ukraine in 1939-1944 were Poles.
Stop smoke that weed Wladek
>>57059453
SS Galizien, UPA.
Even Germans coming back from Stalingard left us old weapons so we could defend ourselves from you animals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxSfnrh1l8Y
>>57059479
Pole, calm down
In that organizations was small percent of ukrainians, most of us fought in red army against nazi
>>57058453
>Because it's a non-country made from other people's lands who proceeded to piss all of their neighbors off after it was created.
>Because it's a non-country made from other people's lands who proceeded to piss all of their neighbors off after it was created.
>Because it's a non-country made from other people's lands who proceeded to piss all of their neighbors off after it was created.
>Because it's a non-country made from other people's lands who proceeded to piss all of their neighbors off after it was created.
>posted by a Romanian
Oh the fucking irony.
>>57059538
>In that organizations was small percent of ukrainians,
this is what ukrainians actually believe.
>>57059339
Tell me someone they don't hate.
>half of the country built Russian
>other half built by Poles
>Soviets invested heavily in Ukrainian industry
>built them nuclear power plants
>Poles build them beautiful cities
>Ukrops literally don't do anything for themselves
>hate everyone around them and kill whenever they could
name one good thing besides cheap whores that came out of Ukraine.
>>57059572
They have pretty good vodka. I recommend Pervak with garlik.
>>57059572
poor Romania would border Russia
>>57059594
Nemiroff is better, it's Ukrainian as well.
>>57059554
Oh come on, it's 2016; it's obvious that poles ethnic cleansed polish villages in ukraine.
#hohollivesmatter #notallukrainians
>tfw successfully started infighting between Europoors
Although I legitimately feel bad for Ukrainians, their population is so small on 4chan compared to that of Russians and Russian sympathizers that Russian propaganda is so dominant...
>>57059594
Oh yeah I forgot about that, we have it everywhere here but everyone simply refer to it as Russian Vodka
>>57059616
Nemiroff is good if it's percovka. All other nemiroff products are crap.
>>57059554
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
Strength 20,000–200,000 (estimated)
when the population of ukraine in that time was several millions
the number of ukrs fought in red army google youself
>>57058990
This. The funny thing is that Chmielnicki was a Cossackified Pole and the Wisniowiecki's were Polonized Ruthenians. :D
>>57059025
Wtf have been you smoking, krokodil?
>>57059048
>Couple centuries later they kill Polish civilians. Brutally murder women(pregnant women), children even infants.
Eh, they did that already in the 17th century, killing about 50,000 Polish peasants during the Chmielnicki uprising in eastern Poland + many many other uprisings, before and after it.
>>57059643
We don't call it vodka if it's with some foreign flavour like garlic or honey or anything else. We call it nastoika.
>>57058303
I'm sorry to interject but Poles are Central Europeans and certainly not a fake nationality unlike Germans :)
>>57059479
>SS Galizien, UPA.
And OUN OUN OUN and yet more OUN.
>>57059668
Oh, here almost every good Vodka is considered Russian
>>57059554
That true, UPA and Banderovtsy weren't supported by most of Ukrainians. The problem is that today Ukrainian nationalist say "WE WUZ BANDERA AND SHIET, BANDERA DIDNDO NUFFIN WRONG"
>>57059785
>UPA and Banderovtsy weren't supported by most of Ukrainians.
They were supported by most of the Ukrainian intelligentsia of that time, see >>57059697
>>57059665
>Eh, they did that already in the 17th century, killing about 50,000 Polish peasants during the Chmielnicki uprising in eastern Poland + many many other uprisings, before and after it.
And how many Ukrainians did Poles kill during 1920-1939?
>>57059831
>Ukrainian intelligentsia
>>57058303
Because Kiev was capital of ancient Rus so technically they are also Russians but different linguistic branch. They even sometimes use that word to refer to themselves
>>57059831
>У нac вeceлo
>>57059831
>Ukrainian intelligentsia
>>57059831
>Ukrainian intelligentsia
What is it? Almost all national intelligentsia of all USSR nations were sent to Gulag
>>57059831
>Ukrainian intelligentsia
>Polish intellectuals
>>57059861
Surprise, but Galitsia also was a part of Kievan Rus. That's stupid argument
>>57059602
I'd rather border Russia again than see this eyesore of a "country" continue its' pathetic existence.
>>57059831
>Ukrainian intelligentsia
>>57059906
Polish intellectuals are a thing. Please don't insult us. Or at least they were a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
>>57058303
>Why do Ukrainians seemingly get so much hate/get accused of being a fake nationality
Sissy leftards, sir
t. half Russian/half Ukrainian
>>57059955
>Russian intelligentsia
Was slaughtered by commie-swines
>>57058303
I always see this image. Is it a joke or is the guy a literal retard?
>>57060005
9/10 would bang
>>57060016
Don't except real intelligentsia from хoхoлc, especially nigger хoхoлc
>>57060005
At least we had intelligentsia, unlike ukrainians who we always rural bydło.
>>57059832
>And how many Ukrainians did Poles kill during 1920-1939?
How many? Please tell me.
One of the things I remember about them from that period is that some Ukrainians were in terrorist organisations and carried out shootings and bombing attack on Polish government officials (like one president) and even civilians in some cases.
>>57059852
>>57059881
>>57059955
Ohh, I forgot... sorry gays :DDD
>>57059888
I'm not talking about the USSR Ivan.
>>57059906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligentsia
>>57059861
Ruthenians =/= Russians.
Ruthenians ---> Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians.
>>57059922
You mean was a Golden Horde vassal.
lol butthurt
>>57060016
>implying only whites can be nazi
>>57060050
She's 8/10 in Russia.
>>57060075
Our intelligentsia was Jews and Germans
>>57060086
Your time will come. Your country already has been divided internally.
>>57060093
But hes holding a white pride symbol
>>57060133
now do it
give back lwów and wilno
UK rain. Haha. Get it? Haha.
>>57060185
This thread peaked with that comment.
>>57060184
>>57060133
>wanting shitholes filled with bydlo
why
>>57060185
Slow vein ya
>>57060184
If you want control foreign lands - you come and get it. That's how this place become part of plc.
"Give back" - it's not how big players play.
>>57060264
Because of bydlo's mentality more land = more power xDDDDDDD
>>57060133
He lives in DPR
>>57060264
>push on button in KL Auschwitz
>bydło problem solved
>>57060118
>Jews
Lol, do you even know how they were treated in pre-revolutionary Russia?
>Germans
Well, i partly agree. There were many germans in the government and financial institutions of Russian Empire, but the "creative class" (scientists, engineers, inventors, artists, poets, writers, philosophers, etc) was pretty much entirely Russian.
>>57060181
Not now, not yet. Poland's number one priority is not to get into any wars for the next coming years five years.
>>57060184
My man, my fucking man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvugtP2FyM
>>57060264
>>wanting shitholes filled with bydlo
This would be undoubtedly a problem... if Poland somehow recovered her lost lands.
>>57060294
>If you want control foreign lands - you come and get it. That's how this place become part of plc.
>That's how this place become part of plc.
That's not how whole of Ukraine became part of the PLC, seriously learn some history.
>>57060264
There's a pretty nice city there
>>57058303
this just shows again that russia is whiter than ukraine. there aren't just more muslims in the ukraine but also more brown people!
so welche untermenschen
wir bleiben stark mit russland!
>>57058303
Putinbots plain and simple
>>57060352
Where? It's not the city it used to be.
>>57060264
>>57060299
>>57060336
> bydlo
> bydlo
> bydlo
Fucking Germans with free money...
In the current condition we love polaks, and hate russians. We even might give lwow back or make a kind of union but they don't ask.
>>57060371
>there aren't just more muslims in the ukraine but also more brown people!
There only 1-4% of muslims in Ukraine, while in Russia it's ~10%
>>57060399
Shouldn't you be preparing for the next revolution? What color will you choose this time?
>ethnogenesis
nice word, but common folk are probably too dumb to understand concepts like ethnicity or nationality are just created so as to control them.
most people are happy to follow. especially poor like eastern euros, just hold a carrot in front and they'll do what you want.
best antidote is wealth and supranational infrastructures.
>>57058303
Because of autistic nationalists who think that Russia and Rus' is the same thing.
>>57060428
> might give lwow back
If it was something like Crimea, full of poles under ukrainian rule
No one asked for this IRL.
>>57058904
Really because the English kings were saying that the French were trying to kill off the English identity in the 1200's
>>57060428
seriously, bolish-ukrainian commonwealth best day of my life
>>57060184
than give back German clay, motherfucker) or just shut up
>>57060133
That will never happen, Russia has no balls to openly attack Ukraine, others like Plland and Hhngary are pathetic weaklings
>>57060392
Don't make me sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVXnm8K7QwQ
>>57060428
>We even might give lwow back or make a kind of union but they don't ask.
No you wont, the Banderites of western Ukraine wont have any of that, nor Stanisławów nor Tarnopol.
>>57060476
This is it. The Polish majority was killed/expelled a long time ago and the remaining now small Polish minority is simply put insignificant and mobbed.
>>57060476
And Donetsk is full of who?
>>57060496
The english kings in 1200 were french, spoke french and were a cadet branch of the ruling french family.
The first three plantagenet kings didn't even speak english and french remained the court language until the 14th century.
ukrainian dream
>>57060428
But you don't want to denounce Bandera, lad. It's the only thorn that keeps us from supporting you even more.
>>57060434
>while in Russia it's ~10%
He just wanted to say that you have more turkish blood, then slavic blood. And that is true.
Keep telling yourself tales about finno-mongol orks from rushka, bydlo.
>>57060529
Don't make me post that Austrian-Hungarian nationalities map again.
>>57060541
Russified Ukrainians and 30% of Russians
>>57060509
What German clay?
>>57060574
They were french blood not by culture especially after the french took their mainland possessions in before the hundred years war
>hur dur syrian refugees crisis is a big problem
>only last year 800000 ukrainians migrate to poland
The only purpose for the existence of ukraine is to provide wealthy non whites hot white blonde wives.
There is literally nothing wrong with fighting for your freedom even if it takes to slaughter few p*les
>>57060607
>He just wanted to say that you have more turkish blood, then slavic blood. And that is true.
Implying southern blood is something bad :^)
>>57060509
Please...
>>57060614
>Don't make me post that Austrian-Hungarian nationalities map again.
Why? Lwów has been in majority Polish even throughout the whole 140 year Austrian occupation.
>>57060636
And yet they still considered themselves french enough to say they have a better claim on the french throne than the french king.
>>57060581
BTW, I can have it all the time my ancestors were from szlachta. I just don't want to work in macdonalds in Boland, like ukranians do.
It's like to plump for a richier plumber, you know.
>>57059550
A bit rude desu
>>57060698
>>57058303
lol hoholosrach spreads around the world.
I knew such srach (hoholoshitstorm) has the huge potential.
>>57060719
No the claim was because of blood ties
>Through his mother, Isabella of France, Edward III of England was the grandson of Philip IV of France and nephew of Charles IV of France, the last king of the senior line of the House of Capet. In 1316, a principle was established denying women succession to the French throne. When Charles IV died in 1328, Isabella, unable to claim the French throne for herself, claimed it for her son. The French rejected the claim, maintaining that Isabella could not transmit a right that she did not possess. For about nine years (1328–1337), the English had accepted the Valois succession to the French throne. But the interference of the French king, Philip VI, in Edward III's war against Scotland led Edward III to reassert his claim to the French throne
>>57060529
>the Banderites of western Ukraine
It's a meme. We pretend what we are because it's drive russians crazy. I'm personally first time heard of Bandera in 2013.
>>57060702
Turks =/= arians. Some of arians live in Iran, Tajikistan (like one of my grndpas, videorelated) and Nepal. But most of them now are mixed with arabs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTyq_rcFpKc
>>57060726
But it's the truth, and truth cam be sometimes painful.
>>57060763
Well, it had been much more stronger in 2013-2014 here, now it's just a pale shadow of that time
>>57060798
>arians live in Iran, Tajikistan (like one of my grndpas, videorelated) and Nepal
So they are fucked up and we won't ever hear anything about them soon? Iran, Tajicistan and Nepak doesn't look like master race, comrade.
>>57060797
>We pretend what we are because it's drive russians crazy. I'm personally first time heard of Bandera in 2013.
To you live in central-eastern Ukraine?
>>57060594
Poroh officially repented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7bwE11qiT4
>>57060813
Ecть хoхлocpaч- ecть Укpaинa, нeт хoхлocpaчa- нeт Укpaины.
>>57060812
Disputes are hardly painful when you've won them (:
Kinda rude to keep bringing it up though
Confused Russians (Uralic-Altaic people, mix of Turco-Mongolic and Finno-Ugric tribes) who got brainwashed by Austrians into thinking they are not Russians. And Ukrainians seem to be even more savage than their genetical eastern brothers.
>>57060845
What's your problem? They are fucked, yes. But they have slavic blood and we are really close relatives in phenotipical and cultural sides (yamna culture). Not like germans and slavs, even closer.
>>57060949
Why are you here, Mehmet, when you must be wiping my streets?
Didn't read the thread.
>fake nationality
Because they are Russians in denial and look like Americans who declare that they are not Brits because in reality they are Indians and USA is Indian and everybody should speak Cherokee. Which would be pure idiotism.
They have invented fake Ukrainian history, all their famous Ukrainians are either Poles or Russians or Austrians and all their identity consists of we-are-not-Russians hurrr stupidity, shitting on Russia and blaming Russia in all their problems.
I hope the day when they forget Russian will finally come and russian internet will be free from their annoying bullshit.
>>57060921
>>57060845
Well, germans, russians, scandinavians etc doesn't looks like stereotypic tall blonde blue-eyed muscle man either.
I don't undestand the point of racial shitshorms here, when it's the question of natural beauty, not blood or something. Every race has beautiful people and ugly as well (except of australian abos, they are all looks like frogs)
>>57060857
Are you watching rt or you are a proxy moskal?
>>57060985
>I don't undestand the point of racial shitshorms here
Insecurity
>>57060992
He's a full blown /pol/tard.
>>57060992
He's too butthurt to be a proxy
>eternal russian butthurt
>polish "b-but muh commonwealth!" "WE WUZ KINGS!"
i love this thread
>>57060964
bydlo, fuck off.
I am 25% poltard, 25% austrian, 25% pamiran and 25% russian (from volgograd cossacks). I am more rusian than you. Post you grey eyes or go and take crocodile.
>>57061061
what is latvian we wuz?
we had potato?
>>57059550
>Muh erdely
Get over it, you fucking goulashnigger. We existed as a state before we got Transylvania. Wallachia and Moldova were created by us, conquered by us, developed by us and ruled by ourselves and, unlike you, we didn't disappear off the map for 3 centuries.
>>57061070
How old are you, dyadya? Or it's just vodka and cigarettes made you look that old?
>>57060902
What do you mean by "won them"? If by that you meant getting a present by Stalin then that would be correct.
>>57060971
Offspring of a UPA murderer getting refuge in Canada detected. How many of you hohols are there anyway?
>>57060992
No.
>>57061038
Actually not in the sense I think you think.
>>57061149
28 y.o.
Lessons in your school ended too soon today, no?
What are you doing here?
>>57058303
>Why do Ukrainians seemingly get so much hate/get accused of being a fake nationality so much, even from other eastern Europeans who also hate Russia like Poland?
Partly because they're seen as almost-Russians, like Belorussians.
Also partly because of Lvov (or however you want to spell it, it's changed hands more often than OP's mother)
>>57061186
Yep ;)
Why do you care so much anyway, most of them dont at this point
>>57061199
>be 28yo
>shitpost on anime imageboard
>still think he is not the most pathetic person in the Earth
kek
>>57061186
I've seen a lot of your post and you're 100% poltard with delusions of Polish grandeur living as an immigrant in Cukcwedistan posting on a Ukrainian salo making forum.
>>57060921
You forgot Poland. There should be something about Poland in this description.
>>57061279
It's anyway better than be a stereotypical dumb retard with beer belly watching nasha russia and reposting memes from mdk like 70% of 28yo post soviet males do
>>57061279
good, good.
Still, I have my own 100m2 apartments, 9/10 wifu, blonde blue-eyed son (1,6 y.o.) and good work from there I can even shitpost here with no problems. Also I have god-tier hobby - blacksmithing in my dacha.
You can call me a troll, you can shitpost, but deep in your heart you know that you'll never be on my level.
>>57061199
>28
You look as old as my dad who is 49yo.
Life must've been hard on you, famalam.
![mqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bzHPJR6.jpg "mqdefault[1].jpg")
UKRAINE MENTIONED
>>57061186
They were from Galicia when it was under Austrian control how were they Turko-Mongolic Russians?
>>57061289
>I've seen a lot of your post and you're 100% poltard
I'm impolitically incorrect yes, but I'm not part of a "/pol/ hivemind" as you say, and many at /pol/ don't think alike either. I'm a think for myself.
>with delusions of Polish grandeur
What delusions? Not admitting that the PLC was a major regional power in the 16-17th century would be a delusion. Today's Poland is just a post-communist tragedy, a former shadow of itself with it's remaining borders cut out by Stalin and Churchill.
>Cukcwedistan
Please don't even make me talk about it.
>>57061476
Well probably they were Ruthenian-Polish, but I wouldn't know.
>>57061383
You forgot about leadership of heavy metal band.
>>57061478
>I'm a think for myself.
>>57061523
Sorry, I can't into music. But I love jazz and a little bit of govnar.
>>57061540
But I'm not a freedora tippin faggot, no.
Religion has it's downsides but also positives to a nations unity.
>>57061383
>I have my own 100m2 apartments
In a commieblock, estate from dead babushka?
>9/10 wifu, blonde blue-eyed son (1,6 y.o.)
proofs are requested
>>57061317
Poles are mix of Sarmatians and Wendish tribes. We have 0 in common with your mongolic kin.
>>57061629
But Rus people did have something common with Scythian people and to some degree Sarmatian people as well. But they were raped by Mongols for few hundreds of years.
>>57061507
Yeah they were, my last name is found in Poland as well. Why were you mad?
>>57061279
>be 17
>waste your youth on a mongorian basketweaving website
>get banned
off you go
>>57061690
Because many UPA murderers got refugee by the British crown in Canada, thus they have a large diaspora there today. Britain has been involved in supporting UPA financially and equipment wise btw.
>>57061279
>implying you can't do two things at once
>>57061289
expats are the worst when it comes to stupid, baseless nationalism
>>57061478
>PLC was a major regional power in the 16-17th
So? It's a shithole now.
>>57061858
>So? It's a shithole now.
How can it be a shithole when it doesn't exist now?
>>57061587
>In a commieblock, estate from dead babushka?
In a new commieblock (2015) and I bought it with a mortgage loan. I am planning to pay all of it in the next year.
>proofs are requested
Tastes are different, but still.
>>57061959
Tell to get some sleep.
>>57061478
> but I'm not part of a "/pol/ hivemind"
Yes especially your own theories about Jews :DDDD
>>57061709
But we never bought that "slavic brotherthood" bullshit.
We had relations with Czech and didn't care for anyone else. You were all just subjects.
>>57062007
>Yes especially your own theories about Jews :DDDD
Not /pol/, I had these theories before I ever visited /pol/.
And okay, tell me, what's wrong whit this theory when even many Jews themselves admit that they own and are overrepresented in many structures (government, media, banking etc.) in the U.S. for example?
>>57062063
we wuz pans and kurwa
>>57062094
fun fact
"Pan" came from greek god Pan
>>57061770
Oh, kikes will be kikes.
But most of the diaspora in Canada was from Galicia under Austrian times like me, the modern Ukrainians are a small minority.
The people here refer to themselves as Ukrainian now because of the current boarders in Europe, and a push from Ukrainian institutions to spread the identity. But before the diaspora would've identified themselves as Galician.
>>57062064
>even many Jews themselves admit that they own and are overrepresented in many structures (government, media, banking etc.) in the U.S. for example?
Go read some stuff on salon.com, they say straight people/white people/men run the world and oppress everyone else, they own everything, they're overrepresented in govt, media, banks, etc ...
>>57061981
We don't have any nurses, so most of the work with a child is up to her.
>>57062135
no patrz mozna nauczyc sie czegos kazdego dnia )))
>>57062212
good lad
>>57062201
Well have fun with her and have a good life anon
>>57062183
>Reading Salon
>>57062094
That dude was a polonized Ruthenain, a really based dude.
>>57062150
>Oh, kikes will be kikes.
True dat.
>But most of the diaspora in Canada was from Galicia under Austrian times like me, the modern Ukrainians are a small minority.
>But before the diaspora would've identified themselves as Galician.
Hmm, that's interesting. Thank you for filling me in on the bigger picture. But still, many of the "modern" Ukies that came post 1945 to Canada had something to do with OUN, UPA, an/or SS-Galizien.
>they say straight people/white people/men run the world and oppress everyone else, they own everything, they're overrepresented in govt, media, banks, etc ...
That's just pure cancer.
I wouldn't classify the Rothschild's, Warburg's, Cassel's, Schiff's, Rockefeller's etc. etc. as the defenders of the white race really, nor any race for the matter than their own but foremost their personal interest.
>>57058303
Well Ukraine doesn't have a lot of its own history, and their most popular nationalist figure also happens to be a war criminal.
They also genocided a lot of Poles, as in tortured them to death and flayed them alive, which leaves sour taste between them even today.
However, the bullying you see today and bringing those old grievances to fore is motivated mostly by putinbots trying to delegitimize Ukraininan government and their national interests, and to erode popular support for Ukraine in their hybrid war with Russia.
>>57062347
kek here he goes again
fucking /pol/ again
>>57062370
>trying to delegitimize Ukraininan government
i think the ukrainian government is doing a fine job of delegitimizing itself on their own
>>57062405
>facts
>fookin pol XDDD
Are you some special kind of retard or just a kikeposter?
>>57060797
>It's a meme. We pretend what we are because it's drive russians crazy. I'm personally first time heard of Bandera in 2013.
It's not a good thing, especially if your only motivation is to piss off Russians. They may even be pissed off or at least pretend to be, but in reality it plays into their hands and gives them rhetorical fuel to use against you.
>>57062405
>fucking /pol/ again
Not fucking pol, just stop this pol thing because it's getting irritating. Is Times of Israel /pol/, are statistics /pol/?
>>57062442
>>57062450
/pol/ is spilling wew
>>57058453
surely this is intentional
>>57062468
>MBP
>The Ministry of Public Security of Poland (Polish: Ministerstwo Bezpieczeństwa Publicznego or MBP) was a postwar communist, secret police, intelligence and counter-espionage service operating from 1945 to 1954 under minister for Public Security general (Generał brygady) Stanisław Radkiewicz, and supervised by Jakub Berman of the Politburo. Its main goal was the eradication of the anti-communist structures and socio-political base of the underground Polish Secret State as well as, the persecution of soldiers of the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) and Freedom and Independence (WiN) active during World War II.
>Most notable MBP personnel
>Antoni Alster (b. Nachum Alster) (Jew)
>Jakub Berman (Jew)
>Józef Bik (Jew)
>Julia Brystiger (Jew)
>Józef Czaplicki (b. Izydor Kurc) (Jew)
>Anatol Fejgin (Jew)
>Adam Humer (?)
>Julian Kole (Jew)
>Julian Konar (b. Jakub Kohn) (Jew)
>Grzegorz Korczyński
>Mieczysław Mietkowski (b. Mojżesz Bobrowicki) (Jew)
>Salomon More (Jew)
And so on. Either Wikipedia is very anti-semitic or there were many Jewish Soviet collaborators.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel
>On March 15, 1945, Morel became commander of the infamous Zgoda camp in Świętochłowice.
>It is estimated that close to 2,000 inmates died in the camp where torture and abuse of prisoners were chronic and rampant.
JEWS DINDNU NUFFIN!
POLES ANTISEMETIC OY VEY!
>>57062551
nah wikipedia
>>57058303
they inherited the Western territories of the USSR that they now try to pass off as Ukrainian. However,to be fair this map shows them not the russians as the slavs of Crimeea.(the map is fairly accurate as far the Eastern stuff goes,just look at the jumbled mozaic of ethnicities in Dobrogea. There's a far bigger more detalied version if you google image it,had to resize it to fit the retarded 4mb limit.)
>>57059550
le endless bozgor memes,pic related
>>57062444
>it plays into their hands and gives them rhetorical fuel to use against you.
If they dont have it they make it up. Just like the thing we are talking about.
>>57062551
the term żydokomuna didnt appear from a void
>>57062436
That may be, but that's not a reason to not help drag it down, is it?
>>57062468
Confirmed for a retard. I'll just post this. If you want to... you can do research for yourself and see if it was (in 2013) correct.
>>57062528
I don't think he's to clear in his head, he's to attached to his own version of reality.
>>57062481
Tell me when we were created and by whom, and who did we piss off besides Hungary because we refused to lick the feet of shekelys after we gave them more rights than we ever had.
>>57058303
They are some Slavic subhumans top kek.
>>57062598
>people who are good at organising stuff are the ones organising stuff
wow
>muh glorious empire muh nation state muh clay
who /makhno/ here?
>>57062573
Fabricated slander does not work as well as genuine bad news. Maybe the difference is not as big in Russia, but in Europe it can make difference among people that don't uncritically take to either side.
>>57062614
t. idiot
>>57062661
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP: THE IDEOLOGY
>>57061108
>Sucking Ottoman cock
Your ancestors were cucks of the highest order
>>57062648
>organising
Exactly, but nooo, "i-it's not t-true"... when they themselves admit it. Idiots, idiots everywhere.
>>57062683
Why are Jews so based?
God bless them.
>>57062709
No, we got fucked over by our "allies" so much that aligning with the enemy became preferable, especially since they asked for less money, didn't demand Janissaries, didn't build mosques here and weren't allowed to colonize or build cities here. Also they kept paying claimants to the throne and giving them armies to take over and rule as their vassals.
But go one, please continue telling me about my country.
>>57062787
>God bless them.
Not only, he CHOSE them.
>>57062661
Hrushevsky desu
Makhno and Skoropadsky are example of modern Ukrainian politicans,first for money,second for people
>>57062787
this 2bh
they hate them cause they aint them
>>57062662
Most Europeans wouldnt be able to tell where the real facts are. They werent dealing with it for centuries, it takes a very specific immunity to filter it. There is no way we can beat Russia in propaganda so we just switch to other battlefields.
>>57062787
>>57062842
Jews, pls..
>>57062806
Is that what you tell yourselves
>>57062765
Im sorry, i do not understand your post.
>>57062880
t. pol
>>57062880
Wait, who the fuck are you?
>>57062888
Then start improving your english reading compression.
>>57061959
>trying to impress 15 year olds how much of a succes u managed to get in the life
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>>57062886
No, it's what I'm telling you, because it's what happened. We still have the treaties and contracts we signed, if you're interested.
>>57062925
>reading compression
Im totally lost. Please rephrase that, im doing my best.
>>57062960
>WE WUZ VASSALS N SHIET
>>57062925
>compression
>>57062854
I'm pretty sure your country does its own propaganda, but my point is you should try to avoid helping the enemy's one.
