Monthly catalan thread to speak catalan and/or talk about catalonia in any language! Who's watching the game?
Invited: Euskadi, Quebec, Padania, Scotland, Galicia, Britannia, Bavaria, Laponia, Occitania
Not invited but would show off anyway: Spain
Tolerated: Everyone else
Quebecfag here. Which language do catalan people speak more?
Vamo a parlam catalam amigos, e muito diferent del espanol
VENIU AL MEU FIL CABRONS!
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>>52690668
Spanish for a bit more than half the population. Spanish speakers are not real Catalans anyway
>>52691075
Nazi.
Hola amigos mios
My favourite author, Albert Sanchez Pinol, is Catalan. Is he famous? What do you think about him?
Do Catalans realize we are very pro-Catalan in the Netherlands?
>>52691277
>is he famous?
yes, his father and his mother know him
>>52691277
You just hate Spain
t. Basque
>>52691277
>Do Catalans realize we are very pro-Catalan in the Netherlands?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjqZOGWBBzA
![eix-silvia-bel-39390[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LjX0bct.jpg "eix-silvia-bel-39390[1].jpg")
>>52691277
He lives in my neighborhood, I've seen his wife, a popular actress a couple times in the street.
He is a really good writer, my parents read his books
pic of wife
>>52691571
LMAO
>>52691571
>Francoist Duch guy acts friendly and bro tier even when the leftie reporter is being a literal cunt to him
Leftism is a codeword for degeneracy
>>52691959
I wonder what made him like Franco.
>>52691789
Well she doesn't look bad.
>>52691325
That's not completely untrue, perhaps we never got over the whole Alva thing.
Aquest fil ha sigut un fracàs ;_; estava veient el partit i a sobre hem perdut
>>52690575
i cant get how you can be one country already with spain for over 9000 years yet there are still shitload of "languages" inside which are not considered part of the spanish dialect continuum (like german and italian "languages"), nor even colonists like mexicans speaks it
so what I get you were part of the crown of aragon, yet your languages (aragonian and catalan/balearic/valencian) are not even related in modern day
and spaniards for some reasons grabbed galicia whose language is intelligible for portuguese and used to be one and the same in older times
i cant understand spain, you look like some fucked up version of yugoslavia, and they weren't even united for that long. even italy makes more sense
>>52693840
Spain is kinda like Italy, the concept of a unified Spanish nation didn't appear until the 19th century. Up until that point, since 1492, Spain was just a different territories, with their own laws, languages and cultures that happended to be ruled by the same king. If you wonder about the colonization thing, and why Catalan isn't spoken there, the king of Spain didn't give permission to Catalan ports to trade with Latin American colonies, and proportionally, few Catalan immigrated there. The only Catalan explorers I can think of are the ones that colonized California, Gaspar de Portolà (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_de_Portol%C3%A1). Aragonian language is pretty much extinct, and Catalan survived because the Spanish weren't succesful at erasing it, as the French did
>"In France and other Francophone countries, patois has been used to describe non-standard French and regional languages such as Picard, Occitan, and Franco-Provençal, since 1643, and Catalan after 1700, when the king Louis XIV banned its use.[3] The word assumes the view of such languages being backward, countrified, and unlettered, thus is considered by speakers of those languages as offensive when used by outsiders. Jean Jaurès said "one names patois the language of a defeated nation".[4] However, speakers may use the term in a non-derogatory sense to refer familiarly to their own language[citation needed] (see also languages of France)."
Catalan is just a romanic language, like Spanish, French or Italian. Did this clear your doubts? Ask me anything you want, I'm eager to answer.
![Bacardi-Superior[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SW6Rdyy.jpg "Bacardi-Superior[1].jpg")
>>52693840
Also, Catalans were later allowed to trade with Latin America, in the 18th and 19th centuries, and a lot of Catalans immigrated to the Caribbean, specially Cuba, in search of Wealth. Many made a lot of money with sugar plantations and rum distilleries and came back to Catalonia as rich people.(https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indi%C3%A0) Sorry, no English link. For example, the rum company Bacardí was established by a Catalan immigrant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi)
Also a lot of Catalans immigrated to Argentina and Uruguay.
>Messi literally haves Catalan ancestors
:'D
Que tan viable seria una Catalunya independiente?
>>52694679
Independentists will tell you it would be paradise
Non-independentists will tell you it would be hell
To know the truth we would have to let it happen and watch.
PADANIA
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>>52694790
and what is your opinion jordi?
>>52695900
futuristic utopia
>>52695900
that >>52695945 wasn't me
I want independence, i think we will be better, but it is a personal preference too
>>52695945
Odiareis a los españoles que vivan en la Cataluña independiente? Los rechazareis si no se adaptan rápido?
>>52696075
nope, lo único que me importa es que se promocione y proteja el catalán, especialmente en la escuela, sin olvidar el castellano, que los niños ya aprenden igualmente, gracias a los medios de comunicación
>>52696023
I see. Im currently learning some catalan on duolingo, if I ever go to Barcelona how will people react if I talk to them in catalan? My first language is spanish btw
>>52696186
O sea lo que se hace ahora, ¿qué esperas que cambie si te independizas?
>>52696186
hasta que punto quieres ser independiente?
para mi a definición de independiente es que no guarda relación de dependencia con otra cosa, es este caso con España.
>>52696199
surprised probably, no matter how shit your catalan is, people will praise you for trying. Keep in mind that, althought more than 90% understand catalan, 60% consider Spanish their main language, so some people might not give a shit. But if you happen to meet one of the 40% Catalan speakers, they will be impressed
>>52696255
>>52696261
Es lo que se hace ahora, y Madrid lleva años y años intentandolo cambiar. Para mi esto es lo mas importante, pero quiere que Cataluña se convierta en un estado independiente, miembro de la UE como cualquier otro pais.
>>52696352
De repente es que no se han dado los argumentos adecuados... aunque creo que ya es tarde. Como Cataluña se haría miembro de la UE? creo algo muy difícil de aceptar.
>>52696467
>De repente es que no se han dado los argumentos adecuados
cómo?
Catalunya sin España se hunde, depende totalmente del mercado interior, seguid soñando.... Yo solo quiero veros independientes para ver como se hunde en la mierda
>>52693840
It's far from strange. It was normal to have a plurality of languages and cultures. Think of Germany or France or England. And Italy ofc. It's just that some countries like France or Germany have cucked this variety of cultures and languages they once had into extinction via the official french/german nationalism discourse. The Dutchies do the same to the Frisian culture and language.
Also, Galicia was not "grabbed by the Spanish" it was a constituent part of Asturias-Leon from the Portuguese County broke off.
Also, the Spanish Monarchy was a collection of Kingdoms with their own institutions andshit, and America was Castillian clay, not Aragonese, and that's why the catalans couldn't into anything else than Sicily and Sardinia. Until the reformation of the system by the Bourbons in the XVIII.
>Baltics not invited
Very rude
>>52696514
Que podrías haber convencido a Madrid de que no lo cambien pero bueno ya se tomó la vía de la independencia. No era por ofender, por si acaso.
![via-catalana[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CzOd4y9.jpg "via-catalana[1].jpg")
>>52696753
we copied you :3
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Way
>>52696794
la imposibilidad de convencer a Madrid de nada es uno de los detonantes del movimiento independentista. Recuerdas el Estatut? El "nos lo hemos cepillado"? Y eso que era con los socialistas, imaginate con el PP.
How do Basques think about Catalonia and vice versa?
>>52696945
No se... solo pregunto esto por que recientemente me he mudado de Madrid a Barcelona y a la vez que tu cuidas tu vida yo cuido la mía... solo espero que todo esto no me afecte negativamente, no hablo en termino de país si no como individuo.
>>52697099
tranquilo, esto no se convertirá en la alemania de los 30
>>52697065
not much, we have allied in a few thing to ask Madrid for more rights for our communities, but not a lot in common otherwise
this is a video of Catalans being asked about Basques
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCFKCzhznk
trailer of a movie about spanish and basque stereoptypes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfopzNHLp4o
sequel of the movie, this time about catalan stereotypes, involving basques too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebyALRLNdpA
>>52697326
I thought you would like each other because common enemy and such
>>52697407
>enemy
>>52697326
esos términos de enemigo es lo que confunden una independencia tranquila y es lo que violenta a los demás españoles que quieren a España... solo espero que el hombre español no sea el enemigo... no debería serlo... ya que sigo siendo español
>>52697575
Figuratively
![partido-2--575x323[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kg2dS3S.jpg "partido-2--575x323[1].jpg")
>>52697407
sometimes yes, but the Basques have more economic privilegies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Economic_Agreement) in which they basically keep and manage their taxes, which Catalonia would like to have but isn't allowed to. That's why Catalans and Baques are not 100% friends.
But otherwise yes, there has always been good relations, and for example the football game Barcelona - Athletic, biggest team in Catalonia and Basque Country respectively is like a party, with good athmosphere.
Plus, there is a traditional game every year in Christmas (It was today!) between the Catalan and the Basque national teams
>thread
http://boards.4chan.org/sp/thread/64462424#bottom
>>52697575
el enemigo es el gobierno central de Madrid, no el español medio que ya tiene bastante con lo suyo. Pero ese español que no acepta las diferencias y está a favor de Franco y esas cosas, no es visto con buenos ojos, precisamente.
>>52697788
Tranquilo no soy ni de Franco ni de Podemos :'D pero gobierno central de Madrid... eso lo he escuchado mucho, en verdad si el gobierno central de Madrid implica a la gente que cree en el gobierno central de Madrid esto será un poco conflictivo... a mi la verdad me da lo mismo
