East Asia thread? East Asia thread.
japan aint east asia faggot
>>52062896
謝謝
>>52062950
It is though
>>52062950
Proxy off
안녕~
>>52062950
Ya no
The area where there is not a feeling of solidarity at all
Gay thread
>>52062896
hi
>>52062950
馬鹿やろう
>>52064386
Competition is a strong motivator for improvement though.
Europeans wouldn't have become colonial powers if our homelands weren't plagued with war and diseases at the time.
Hello. Last few threads were fun.
Previous thread in case there's anybody who would like to save pictures or something
>>51981867
>>52063004
>>52064565
Which city do you guys think is on top economically and in living standards now, and which will be on top in the future?
Is Singapore's future brighter than Hong Kong's?
Mao Zedong raped little children
нaши pyны лyчшe
>>52064829
I don't know which is the best but I have some candidates in mind. In no particular order
>Hong Kong
>Singapore
>Tokyo
>Taipei
>Shanghai
Hong Kong has been stagnating in terms of innovation but both MIT and Alibaba have started to invest in HK's startups. Resurgence of the 亞洲四小龍 when?
TAIWAN NUMBER ONE
>>52065020
Forgot
>Seoul
>>52065020
>亞洲四小龍
Probably not very soon, I think they've had most of their growth.
The relationship between Hong Kong and Shanghai depends on CPC policy. If they decide they want to concentrate all trade in Shanghai they could probably draw a lot away from Hong Kong.
Tokyo probably doesn't fall into the comparison. Japan modernized earlier, and unlike Hong Kong, Singapore and Shanghai it is less like a first world city surrounded by third world. It is linked to the surrounding country in a different way.
Taiwan's future is kinda uncertain.
>>52064623
Saved
Arigatou
>>52065363
Why just the thumbnail though?
>>52065231
Good points. I do wish HK would start putting more resources into IT though.
>>52065363
Here is full size image Japan.
>>52065363
I also have one for Chinese states in particular.
>>52062950
this nigga knows whats up. japan is the garbagest ass country on the earth.
>>52065444
Saved. Thanks.
>mfw HK is in the middle
Shouldn't China be in the middle though?
>>52065530
It's probably in the middle for aesthetic reasons, as it is red and has a nice round design.
>>52065509
Don't say that. You've managed to keep your culture intact throughout the ages, which is more than us Han Chinese can say. I'm still sad about hanfu being relatively unknown in China.
We east Asia now
>>52065572
I see.
>>52065654
No philippines you have /asean/ already.
>>52065402
cause looks kawaii
>>52065442
>>52065444
saved arigatou
>>52062896
Japan and Hong Kong are god-tier countries.
Proof that all good countries aren't "white", since Japan and Hong Kong are better than 90% of "white" countries.
I follow a Canadian vlogger in Japan [that isn't half aa bad as it may sound] and she uploads a lot of content about her daily life in Japan. It's a wonderful country all around.
>>52065916
I sincerely hope you are not talking about a certain "Kanadajin3".
She whines a lot imo, really annoying person in general.
我 光頭
>>52065916
Thank you Canada. We appreciate you ceding us Vancouver. Poutine is one of my favourite foods.
>>52062896
>Chinkpore = CRP agent
>>52066001
唔緊要啦。 サイタマ is proof that bald guys are cool.
I am technically East and I have a lot of Asian inside me
g'day lads
>>52066156
G'day. How do you feel about your fern flag? I like our flower flag.
>>52065953
Yes, and I want to benis in bagina her, but she also makes insightful videos. I usually wonder what life in other developed countries is like, and her channel is nice window into Japan, or more often Tokyo I suppose, but a great window nonetheless.
>>52066066
Vancouver isn't going anywhere Chang, but Hong Kong is a rightful part of the Commonwealth and not a territory of the CCP scum. I demand Hong Kong be released as an independent nation so it can once more take up its rightful place as a part of the Commonwealth of Nations, where it belongs.
>>52066216
Just a bit of meme banter, really
The whole thing is really silly and noone really supported it from the start.
I also like your flower flag :3
>>52065590
I'd support the hell out of hanfu but since I can't wear it myself to any impressive effect, I have to question myself as to what business I have in a purely Chinese matter.
>>52065916
But Japan is honourary Aryan!
>>52066262
No need to question yourself why m8
You just want to fugg qt asian girls in their traditional dress
Dont worry, I want to aswell
So what are the developments on that second richest Chinese owner of Club Med getting v&? Did chairman Xi have some disappointing tax revenue to compensate?
>>52066315
And Australia is honourary Chinese. :DDDD
>>52066238
I for one welcome our new mainland overlords. I just want them to use traditional Chinese and tone down the rudeness.
Is she this girl?
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Kanadajin
>>52066241
So NZ will keep the old flag? I like both to be honest.
>>52066333
Trips speak the truth.
>>52062896
>correct East Asia
>>52066377
Yeah, we'll be keeping the flag.
The whole thing just wanted people to vote for their favorite designs and in the end pick from the original and the favourites.
It isn't going anywhere lad :)
>>52066238
I don't really follow vblogs, but Kandajin just seems like a really annoying attention whoring person. Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKoHfkXhbA
Rachel & Jun make a lot better videos, I watched a few.
Generally I think you're better off just looking stuff up if you want to know about it, or even better: going there yourself.
>>52066262
>>52066333
My brothers of african descent. Qipao is hot but it is just the Manchus' ethnic dress. I would like a proper national dress like Japan and Worst Korea. Here is an informative pic.
Are you Russian or German??
>>52066377
>https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Kanadajin
Painfully accurate. She's obviously crazy.
Taiwanese is reporting in.
>>52066541
Tell me about the upcoming elections. Do any of the meme candidates of the 時代力量 stand a chance?
>>52066497
Qipao is probably the best desu, and anyone from the west wouldn't know shit about the Manchu's
But, Figure 3 Northern Dynasty looks qt tho :3
>>52066578
>small political party
>stand a chance
not even a competitive party.
Lots of parties have been small for many years, but never get stronger
>>52062896
>Real East Asia
Fucking Chink/Gook/ChinKoPole
>>52066377
Yes. She does have a FAS look about her.
http://youtu.be/9RZF6eUU-gU
>>52066483
I don't think I'll be travelling or working abroad soon. I want to get into Programmig & IT, II'm considering going abroad in the future and I'm only developing an interest in Japan and Hong Kong that may take me there in the future.
>>52066541
>>52066678
Will there be any good brawls this election?
>>52066661
Ming is my favourite.反清復明。
>>52066738
I am planning to study CS as well, and I don't think HK or Japan currently have as large a tech industry as the US or Canada. But perhaps that will change in the future.
>>52066661
>Qipao is probably the best
I beg to differ
>>52018866
>>52066753
No.
>>52066541
1911 was a mistake - Zhongzheng Shrek
>>52066828
How many people in the Netherlands actually know anything about the history or culture of China?
We have several hundred thousand Chinese here and most kiwis don't actually know spit about the place lol
>>52065590
>which is more than us Han Chinese can say.
>>52066927
Why didn't you guys do this? Why is there a larger interest in emulating Japan than there is in rebuilding the Han culture in Taiwan?
>>52067078
what about the Han culture needs to be rebuilt in Taiwan? Taiwanese drink hot water with everything and constantly threaten lives on their motorbikes, isn't that Han enough for you?
>>52066920
Well damn, your politics are getting really boring these days.
>>52067063
My group of friends is highly biased.
I think the average Dutch person doesn't know the difference between China, Japan and Korea, and knows next to nothing of their history, culture, language or politics.
Things an average Dutch person might mention if you ask them about china:
Chinese food
Slanty eyes
Made in China
>>52067171
Yeah pretty much exactly the same thing here lol
>>52067063
ZHANG GET OOOUUUUT
mario,playstation and pokemon are Japan.
K-pop is S.korea.
But what about China and N korea's soft power?
>>52067137
>isn't that Han enough for you?
No :(
>>52066497
The Korean clothes of the Korean drama are Korean fantasy.
Korea didn't have dye and wore white linen clothes.
The full dress of the official wife was the clothes which bared the breast.
During the rule era of Japan, 20century, Japan taught Koreans dye.
>>52066497
I'm Russian, so you could say I'm East Asian too, purely from a geographical point of view. I've spent time in Hong Kong but I never learned the language(s) or anything. And yeah, the cheongsam looks more Manchu to me than anything.
Really it's always bothered me that China is supposed to be THE "exotic" country, but it's got little to show for it in contrast to Japan.
>>52067257
>tfw qt asian gf
i shall fill our country with half breeds.
>>52067202
I generally don't speak a lot to the average person though, most of my friends know a lot more than that. Not saying they could hear the difference between any of the Asian languages though.
>>52067325
Seems unrealistic. I'm sure the Japanese introduced many things to Korea, but dye certainly isn't one of them.
>>52067368
Gommunism.
>>52067305
what about everyone's soft power? no one cares about any country except Japan and Korea because the rest of the countries consume your shit instead of producing their own shit. Taiwanese movies are extremely derivative and Taiwanese music is actually godawful. No one consumes Chinese anything because it's actually shit, and no one knows that Mongolia even exists. Hong Kong cinema is alright though.
>>52067493
>Taiwanese music is actually godawful
You have some good metal bands. But it's the current year. No one listens to heavy metal anymore.
>>52067493
>Taiwanese music is actually godawful. No one consumes Chinese anything because it's actually shit
no
>>52067493
Why don't Taiwanese boys date black girls? Students from Haiti kept asking this.
>>52067493
>Taiwanese music is actually godawful. No one consumes Chinese anything because it's actually shit
:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1MtYEdtZY
>>52067601
I would need a pretty thick shovel to start digging for good Taiwanese music. the market is oversaturated with literally nothing but sappy piano pop, even derivative urban/edm music is hard to find, and that shit is a won a dozen in Korea.
>>52067628
yes you fuck. can you name any significant Taiwanese performing artist who emerged in the last 5 years? I guess, yeah, you guys probably do consume some Mainland music because it's the only place that produces material in your language, but we consume none of it and you better believe people outside of the Sinosphere give zero shits what media China produces
>>52067710
>mainland music
>better than Taiwanese music
>>52067682
no one in Asia dates black people except for size queens
>>52067694
oh boy more sappy lo-fi music. why does every musician in Taiwan want to make music that could be played in coffee shops?
>>52067732
who cares. literally no one outside of the Sinosphere.
>>52067710
>sappy piano pop
oh god I'm triggered now. It's why I gave up on your music t b h
>>52067787
> why does every musician in Taiwan want to make music that could be played in coffee shops?
Fair point
>>52067732
Mainland has some pretty good music desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6yC-bgwws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2y24lducX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj9HRuovkmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npLO9Jq-F3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MRz7sSi10
>>52067985
Also pretty nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZn4sz4rDJM
>>52067479
Because Koreans discriminated against craftsmen, the technique was cut off.
Only the noble who exploited the people were able to obtain the dyed cloth from China, but it became difficult as time goes by.
>>52068184
Oh wow.
Some of my far ancestors dyed cloth for a living, it used to be a rather prestigious profession a couple of centuries ago.
Most of the common people here weren't able to afford dyed clothes either, especially dyed anything else than brown. Blue was known to be particularly expensive.
>you'll never visit 19th century China or Japan
>>52063004
>Proxy off
Chink agent in Chinkpore <3
>>52062950
Who fucking cares Chink? You arr rook same afterall.
>>52066828
Netherlands you are truly my greatest ally.
>>52067325
What? I was talking about hanfu which is from China. Maybe you are thinking of hanbok? I don't really know much about Korea's history so I can't comment on that sorry.
>>52067368
Like what Netherlands said, gommunism. The Qing dynasty also contributed somewhat. The Manchus tried to suppress the Han and made shitty haircuts mandatory. Enforced receding hairlines?? Seriously??
On a side note I am happy about the improving relations between China and Russia. Russia is a beautiful country. I plan to learn Russian after I finish learning Japanese, though for now I only know blyat.
>>52068365
Korean Confucianism respected courtesy, and looked down working as something vulgar.
Craftsmen and merchants and warriors were vulgar people for Koreans.
The nobles who didn't work were respected.
I think the reason why Koreans look down upon Japanese would be that we are craftsmen basically, and that we are the race who has been repeating training as philosophy by military arts.
>>52067493
Pop music anywhere is pretty awful but you do get a couple gems every now and then. HK cinema is losing its touch, while Taiwanese movies are extremely popular in HK btw. Still, I am excited for the new Yip Man movie.
>>52069558
>Pop music anywhere is pretty awful
I disagree. I can understand why it wouldn't be your cup of tea, but it's easy for someone like me to enjoy dance tracks from Korea or some more vocal pop from Japan. Utada fucking killed it back in the day, and the production values of KPop stars these days is unbelievable. But Taiwanese pop music is, worse than everything else, just fucking repetitive and downtempo. No emotion, no rhythm, just piano and acoustic and vocals that hardly go beyond humming. It's absolutely lifeless.
>Taiwanese movies are extremely popular in HK
No surprise there, it's like recycled Japanese and Korean garbage, but now in Chinese and starring chink actors. The Sinosphere is a human centipede
>>52069558
>>52069714
Many people found this film too slow and uneventful, but I think it was just really calm and had great shots. Some people accused it of being pretentious, but people often say that about films that don't provide a clear message or plot. Did you guys like it?
>>52069714
To each their own I suppose. I find taiwanese songs to be okay but then again I listen almost exclusively to wubwub.
I don't actually watch a lot of movies so I am clueless about them sorry. I tend to stick to anime in general.
>>52069463
Before I forget to reply to this post
>I think the reason why Koreans look down upon Japanese would be that we are craftsmen basically, and that we are the race who has been repeating training as philosophy by military arts.
I think there are many more reasons why Koreans don't like Japan, but let's not go off topic too much.
Any society in which the craftsmen are really looked down upon is rotten. Every work is noble in its own way, as long as it contributes to society in some positive way.
Taiwan is the pleb Chinaman's true ruler.
>>52069463
>I think the reason why Koreans look down upon Japanese would be that we are craftsmen basically
And you'd be completely wrong. Korea has a huge craft economy these days and a much bigger drive towards warfare than you. They look down on you because of their history of subjugation, and the fact that they went into an unsuccessful civil war that left their country ravaged immediately after the sweeping changes you implemented in WW2, so they never got to see the infrastructural benefits that Taiwan enjoyed.
>>52069874
So basically you know almost nothing about Taiwanese pop culture. That's good, because neither does the rest of the world.
>>52069857
haven't seen it, sorry, but just about any Asian movie that's unclear about what it's doing is lost on me
>>52069857
I haven't heard of it. On that topic did you watch Red Cliff? Downloaded about half now.
>>52069969
Yup I can count the number of HK songs I like on one hand. However it's probably due to me not finding any HK torrents at all. Does Taiwan have a popular torrenting site?
>>52069969
>>52069970
I recommend you guys watch it, it's a piece of art in my opinion.
>>52069970
I haven't seen Red Cliff. Heard it wasn't too special.
What I have seen:
Raise the Red Lantern
Farewell my Concubine
To Live
Hero
House of the Flying Daggers
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
The TV series Three Kingdoms
>>52070055
not that I'm aware of, I used to get my movies off of AsiaTorrents before they changed database without telling me.
>>52070077
There's a few more I've seen by the way, but they don't immediately come to mind.
Mfw the whites flock to this thread and finally leave us
Mfw this is good for /asean/
>>52070179
Probably not.
Both about the flocking and it being good for /asean/. Now back to your thread please.
>>52070179
maybe you can join with us and make a /humancentipede/ general with all the other countries that have nothing better to do than redigest Japanese and Korean shit
>>52070077
Okay I am downloading it now. I'm not sure if I'll have to time to watch it in one sitting though. Maybe next May.
>>52070433
That's a bit rude. I like some HK songs and movies.
>>52070433
It's mostly teenyboppers that like kpop here tho. And moms love korean dramas.
Pretty much anyone below
45 grew up watching anime, which is pretty nice.
>>52070515
I'd recommend you to really watch the whole list, they're all really good.
The tv series Three Kingdoms tells the story of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms as you might expect. It is a bit low budget at moments, but still impressive how they managed to bring such an incredible story to the screen.
PRC reporting.
>>52070723
Screenshotted the post. I'll watch them as soon as my exams end. Most of what I've watched are comedies like Kung Fu hustle.
>>52070896
Hello commie friend.
>>52070896
Gib moar chinese qt's, we will gib spratlys
>>52070945
Nice, tell me what you think once you've seen them.
>>52070896
You can report right back out, buddy
>>52071078
aw yeah nigga, Sun Yat-send his ass right out
>>52070896
Are you part of the mainland Hanfu movement? If not, why not?
>>52071110
Can't believe I laughed. Stealing this for future use.
>>52062896
That is the East Asia I know.
When I haven't ever seen the people of my neighborhood countries, I used to wonder how were them, and I enjoyed it.
Today I see them whenever I want to see them.
It became such an age.
It is fun!
>>52070896
Take my ex brah, too bad she moved to the States.
>>52071078
Not here to fight, I'm from Nanjing, you know how we resent the commies here
>REEEEEEEEE
>>52071140
That's a bit of an asshat movement, it's like tipping fedoras everywhere.
>>52071530
Damn, she's a qt.
>>52071530
Why? I think it's weird to wear it on the streets but I dearly want to wear it during festivals or ceremonies. It's something from our culture that we should be proud of.
See
>>52065590
>>52066497
>>52066824
you like 反清復明, don't you?
Do you like 鄭成功?
>>52071530
Mainlander, Hello~
>>52069939
>>52069969
I agree with you.
I really do.
There are a lot of foreign students from Korea in my university and I think we are a kind of good friends.
But I feel some gap that I cannot explain, when I sometimes talk about the history with them.
We cannot talk based on the facts.
All we Japanese can do is to apologize.
It doesn't matter whether we really did or not.
I really tired with this condition.
But still, I love Korean movies and some dramas.
>>52071851
I respect him for fighting till the end. I really dislike the Qing Dynasty for what they did to the Han and China as a country.
good evening
>>52071830
Oh okay, I misunderstood you then.
For formal ceremonies, I have no objections with hanfu. Regardless of how much modernization we try to achieve, we shouldn't lose our core cultural aspects. Still, wearing hanfu to work is pretty asshat.
>>52072245
Good evening. I just ateなべ. Japanese food and Chinese food are my favourite.
>>52072334
Glad to hear it. I agree completely :)
>>52072584
I like it too,in winter lol
>>52072830
It is starting to get cold in HK. 20C today. How is the weather in Japan?
>>52072108
both 孫文 and 蒋介石 were 幇 from 反清復明, weren't they?
>>52072970
Not cold 13C today
it seems to be spring...
I miss cold winter, a bit
>>52073600
Yes. I believe Sun Yat Sen's portrait should be on Tiananmen Square instead of that idiot Mao.
>>52073629
I cannot stand the cold. I love snow though. Autumn is perfect in my opinion.
>>52073965
haha,yeah autumun is best
Hong Kong is warm but you love snow
Do you like ski?
>>52074180
I tried it once in Korea when I was a little kid. It was very fun. Winter without snow is just pure suffering.
Is Vietnamese allowed here?
>>52074419
don know
I just came here
Went to 剝皮寮 today. Thought it's really pretty boring... there was a really kickass percussion performance by schoolkids from the elementary next door though.
>>52074419
Vietnamese usually hang out at /asean/ but you are welcome here all the same.
>>52074362
Yup,in Japan it's awkward that doesn't snow
It is on news,they cannot ski
global warming,no?
>>52074754
What's 剝皮寮? Never heard of it before.
>>52074866
I thought it usually snowed in Japan? Is it just late? That is depressing. Hopefully the Paris Climate Change Conference will help reduce global warming.
>>52074899
It's just a historic area with some museum stuff and a street of old buildings built by the Japanese. Museum kind of sucked in my opinion since there were very few artifacts.
I don't get Singapore's weather
>>52075070
It looks interesting. Is it worth visiting if I go to Taiwan?
http://drugs.pixnet.net/blog/post/30334369-%E3%80%90%E5%8F%B0%E5%8C%97%E6%97%85%E9%81%8A%E3%80%91%E5%89%9D%E7%9A%AE%E5%AF%AE%E8%80%81%E8%A1%97%E9%99%B3%E5%B9%B4%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E9%A2%A8%E6%83%85-%E9%9B%BB%E5%BD%B1
>>52074983
The snow falls but there is very few it
>will help reduce global warming
i hope that..
How many degrees is it usually in winter of Hong Kong?
>>52074899
剝皮寮
What do you pronounce it?
>>52075328
I would say no. There are better things to do in Taipei. I really did like the kids though. That part was great.
why don't Hong Kong and Taiwan merge?
>>52075448
Coldest is around 8C but usually between 15 to 20C.
>剝皮寮
>What do you pronounce it?
"Mok Pei Liu" in Cantonese. Taiwan uses Putonghua.
>>52075520
Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
>>52075537
Why don't your mom merge with my dick
>>52075537
Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China while Taiwan is technically a separate country. We both use traditional chinese so that kind of gives us some camaraderie. Also we both like trolling mainland China.
>>52075256
Singapore is humid,right?
>>52075629
oh thank you
I plan on studying in japan for a semester. Which uni is good for software engineering?
>>52075984
This advice is hard for me
It's better to go to japanese thread maybe
>>52072081
I understand. It's a pity the situation is the way it is, and both sides are often too stubborn to give in to the other a bit.
>>52075984
Just choose whichever university has an exchange program with your own. Else you should prepare to spend an incredible amount of time getting all the arrangements in order.
>>52062896
>>52062950
What about Vietman though
>>52077041
>>52074852
Personally I think Vietnam is closer to Southeast Asia than East Asia, but some people say they should be considered East Asia because they once used hanji.
>>52069305
>I plan to learn Russian after I finish learning Japanese, though for now I only know blyat.
Quite good. You are on the right path!
Russian may not be a difficult language to learn for you, I say this because I've met many Chinese in Beijing who seemed to speak it fluently, though sometimes with irritating grammatical mistakes. I'd say the worst learners of Russian I've seen are Europeans for some reason. It's like they're too arrogant or falsely confident to really try.
Hell, we've also been hit by communism hard and we have our traditional Russian problems. I love my country, but it's been on a downhill slope.
I'm also learning Japanese, though I don't know if I'll ever use it for real communication. It's just an aesthetic language for me, that and well, I don't like translated content anymore. If I ever feel content with my Japanese skills, I'd really like to learn Chinese, at least just to speak first, something like Beijing Mandarin since I like the way it sounds the most.
>>52077612
>If I ever feel content with my Japanese skills
Protip: you never really will
I think the Europeans you met are worse at Russian because:
-they are probably more likely to learn it than Asians even if they don't have a good motivation to take it to the end
-they probably learn it like they learnt German, French or English at school, disregarding the fact that they should put a lot more focus on vocab as the language is a lot less related
I think Russian is a difficult language for any non-slav. The Asians you met probably just did a better job studying it seriously.
>>52077612
I appreciate the vote of confidence. I am learning Japanese because I want to read untranslated novels like Overlord and I travel there a lot.
I love Cantonese but it is much less useful than Putonghua, not to mention more complicated, so yeah you should definitely go with Putonghua if you like the sound. Do you prefer simplified or traditional characters?
I have a few questions. How do you feel about Putin and why are you living in Germany?
Seoul is fucking awesome. Its weird ill be living here for 2 years. Where dem korean womens at?
>>52077981
Why are you there and where are you from?
Beijing
It is like a magic kingdom
>>52078374
I'm not stepping a foot in Beijing until the mainland finishes industrializing.
Good night /eastasia/ see you tomorrow.
>>52078360
Im in the Navy. Im from California
>>52078374
Just came back from Beijing, god what a nightmare.
>>52075791
大陆仔 top kek
>>52073921
I couldn't even see Mao's face during my trip to Beijing just recently. Too much pollution.
>>52077864
I suppose you're right. A big part of learning Russian is learning to understand Russian culture, which not everyone can do easily. Well, our own culture and mindset are constantly glorified and given such attributes as "mysterious" and "inexplicable", so not even Russians themselves can express clearly what they think is the Russian way of life. Hell, I digress so much.
>>52077973
To me Japanese was also my first window into East Asian culture, and it's how I learned 漢字, though they've always been Chinese to me (of course).
To me any variety of Chinese is legitimate but as you say Putonghua is simply the most useful. If I end up settling down in Hong Kong I'll make an honest effort learning Cantonese.
My opinion on the use of simplified and traditional is a bit... mixed actually. Generally I like traditional more but sometimes it feels like overkill to be writing always in traditional, and it's acquired a Taiwanese / HK connotation for me so I even imagine traditional characters as read in a southern accent. No matter what though, I just don't like the way simplified looks, so... gotta go with traditional. Sometimes I even feel that Japanese shinjitai should be un-simplified; some of the shapes are foreign, like the top of 学. I wasn't surprised to learn it was one of the Japanese simplifications adopted into Chinese..
>I have a few questions. How do you feel about Putin and why are you living in Germany?
Putin is a player, well, an admirable politician, I would say he is a true Russian statesman, but as a consequence of that, he cares more about projecting his power than improving the life of the average Russian. I'm in Germany temporarily, I switch countries every several years as a matter of lifestyle.
>>52078374
I don't like when people post pictures of Chinese cites and say "Wow, real life cyberpunk. I want to live there. Its so comfy!"
Its not comfy at all actually.
So, more autism from me, since this thread is so cozy:
I have an interest in learning Classical Chinese (文言文, 漢文 etc.), but is there any point in trying to do that without the knowledge of modern Chinese? It seems to me that the grammar is fundamentally similar at least in principle, and the characters often have special readings which is all of course lost on me, so lately I've been feeling that I just need to learn to speak Chinese first.
>>52078729
Ah, figures. I don't think US soldiers are very popular there. Some stuff with a child that managed to get under a military vehicle among a great many other incidents.
You could try to learn the language though, probably the easiest way to becoming a bit more popular there.
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/Korean
>>52075328
I think you can blow through the aisles really quick if you're taking a walk from Longshan Temple to Ximending, so sure, why not. He's right though, it's kind of underwhelming.
>>52078933
>is there any point in trying to do that without the knowledge of modern Chinese
Just continue, you'll eventually find yourself learning Classical Chinese anyway if you just continue the way you normally would learning Chinese.
>>52078930
>>52078779
>>52078699
Guess that's clear enough
>>52078374
If it's a magical kingdom it would be the magical kingdom of mordor apparently.
>>52078933
classical Chinese is an entirely different bird from modern Mandarin. It has more in common with southern dialects such as Cantonese. you could study a modern dialect in preparation if you really wanted to, but that's like learning modern English so as to understand Beowulf in its original text.
>>52078953
Hey ty for the link. Ill check it out. And yeah we do get a lot of bad rep. 90% of the time its the army and marines that do the dumb shit. Navy has a cleaner record in Korea but probably because there isnt a huge Navy presence here.
>>52079097
I see, all right then.
>>52079108
To be fair Japanese has prepared me for some of the peculiarities of the grammar but the only way I can articulate the text in my head is by using Japanese readings which sounds ghetto as hell. You might find it funny though
>>52079298
which is weird, but hell, the Mandarin pronunciations wouldn't help you much either
>>52079298
Try pronouncing them all with their kunyomi
>>52062950
ok, bro
>>52075834
Yeah. Humid all year round...
>>52079397
>>52079481
For example the following sentence
寡人之從君而西也、亦晉之妖夢是踐。
I pretty much read as:
Kajin shi juu kun ni shi ya, eki shin shi you mu shi ze sen.
I can substitute some readings with the Japanese kun'yomi but then the text verges on being converted into Japanese outright, with restructurisation and all, and that's what I decided I want to avoid. At any rate, I guess these on'yomi are enough for now.
>>52080122
>shi
sei, 西 is that in Japanese. Some leftover Mandarin there... Sometimes I read 而 as ji and sometimes "er" as in Mandarin. It's weird as hell t b h, which is why I thought I wanted a system to contain my autism.
>>52078933
We learn Classical Chinese beginning from grade school, autistic Simplified Chinese and everything. A high school graduate is expected to be able to decipher any random body of Classical Chinese text with minimal annotations if possible. The grammar is completely kek though, lots of inverted sentence structures going on. Unless you are a designated Sinophile, I would recommend against spending too much time learning Classical. There's just no pragmatic use except for impressing your Chinese friends at a house party.
>>52080122
The stuff about kunyomi was a joke by the way, it wouldn't work one single bit.
I can't read classical chinese of course, so I don't really bother trying to think of the pronunciation.
If I wanted to know the pronunciation I'd be better off just looking everything up in a chinese dictionary than substituting it with any sound that I know to certainly be wrong or at best a vague approximation of the real sound.
>>52080352
From what I read it should be considered an integral part of the study of Chinese, only at a much more advanced level.
>>52080352
Classical ought to be the standard worldwide tbqh
>>52080456
Yes, I would call it the zenith of Chinese studies. Academics of Classical Chinese are the most prestigious amongst other Chinese fields. If you really choose to fuck off Classical, then I would give up my approval. What basic readings have you been over?
>>52080503
Nah mate, that grammar is far too ambiguous and all those “通假字”, that would be a migraine for most beginners. I say continue with the teachings of Classical, but stick to vernecular for beginners.
>>52080352
>There's just no pragmatic use except for impressing your Chinese friends at a house party.
That's pretty much what I'm going for, thanks for the reply. I will always be small time though.
>>52080378
It's when it comes down to something really weird like different tonal readings of the same character 為 that it gives me pause (wei2 vs wei4), how do I observe that distinction at all.
>>52080730
>Nah mate, that grammar is far too ambiguous and all those “通假字”, that would be a migraine for most beginners. I say continue with the teachings of Classical, but stick to vernecular for beginners.
Amateur opinion here but something of a much less ambiguous grammar can be distilled from the surviving classical works if the abbreviated style is discarded. It's what was done to Latin in Europe during the Renaissance. Anyway, I'm not qualified enough for this discourse.
>>52080730
Pretty sure the Singaporean was making a joke.
>If you really choose to fuck off Classical, then I would give up my approval.
I don't think I quite understand what you mean with this sentence, would you mind rephrasing it?
>What basic readings have you been over?
I haven't read any Classical Chinese as my knowledge of it is virtually nonexistant. What little I know of it is mainly famous quotes from old texts and it being mentioned in several Chinese learning resources as eventually being important to learn, but only after quite some time.
To Japanbros, I'm curious, to what level of Classical Chinese can you decipher?
Here's a simple excerpt (forgive my asshat Simplified Chinese).
十年春,齐师伐我。公将战。曹刿请见。其乡人曰:“肉食者谋之,又何间焉?”刿曰:“肉食者鄙,未能远谋。”乃入见。问:“何以战?”公曰:“衣食所安,弗敢专也,必以分人。”对曰:“小惠未徧,民弗从也。”公曰:“牺牲玉帛,弗敢加也,必以信。”对曰:“小信未孚,神弗福也。”公曰:“小大之狱,虽不能察,必以情。”对曰:“忠之属也。可以一战。战则请从。”
>>52062896
Aren't Manchus basically the Jews of China?
>>52081040
No I can't ,bro
>>52081040
I've reformatted this into the Japanese style, for myself mainly. Simplified looks bad with my fonts.
十年春、齊師伐我。
公將戰。
曹劌請見。
其鄉人曰、肉食者謀之、又何間焉。
劌曰、肉食者鄙、未能遠謀。
乃入見。
問、何以戰。
公曰、衣食所安、弗敢專也、必以分人。
對曰、小惠未徧、民弗從也。
公曰、犧牲玉帛、弗敢加也、必以信。
對曰、小信未孚、神弗福也。
公曰、小大之獄、雖不能察、必以情。
對曰、忠之屬也。
可以一戰。
戰則請從。
>>52081033
I suppose that would be feasible but discarding the keked abbreviation of words would go against the basic principles of the language. Wouldn't be much Classical would it?
>>52081037
If you choose to study Classical Chinese, you have my thumbs up.
Start with the Analects then, they are very well translated into English.
>>52080846
Start small, some of those longer texts can be mindfucks.
Pic related, a full Classical Chinese text students learn in grade school, that is, the one aforementioned by me.
>>52081372
>戰
>Japanese style
uhhh
>>52081511
Thank you. I will start there when I get to classical chinese in the undoubtedly far future.
>>52081511
Your power level is much higher than mine, but basically, mostly Classical grammar without the excessive mindfuckery, simply with monosyllabic words where applicable. It would be cool, at least, if not necessarily very Classical. Modern, perhaps.
>>52081513
small offense
How do I become 名誉日本人?
>>52081372
Still difficult
there is the kanji not to use
The classical Chinese is so hard.
I have to study if I should read it
>>52081794
Then again, I admit that Classical Chinese used as the mainstream dialect would be pretty dank. Perhaps in some parallel world it would have caught on fast enough. At least the South here would be on board.
>>52081040
for Japanese
十年、春、斉師の我を伐つに、公まさに戦はんとす。
曹劌見を請ふ。
其の郷人曰く「肉食の者之を謀る、又た何を閒せん、と。」
劌曰く「肉食の者は鄙(ひ)にして、未だ能く遠謀せず、と。 」
乃ち入りて見(まみ)ゆ。
問ふ「何を以て戦はん、と。」
公曰く「衣食安んずる所、敢へて専らにせざるなり、以て必ず人に分かつ、と。」
對へて曰く「小恵未だ偏ぜず、民は従はざるなり、と。」
公曰く「犠牲玉帛(ぎせいぎょくはく)、敢へて加えざるなり、必ず信を以てす、と。」
對へて曰く「小信未だ孚(まこと)ならず、神は福せざるなり、と。」
公曰く「小大の獄、察する能はずと雖も、必ず情を以てす。
對へて曰く「忠の属なり、以て一戦す可し、戦はば則ち請ふ従はん、と。」
>>52082372
Thanks bro
>>52082372
Isn't there classical Japanese as well?
>>52082839
Yes.
This is modern Japanese.
魯の荘公の十年、春に斉の大軍が魯へと攻め寄せてきた。
荘公はこれを撃退せんとしていた。
国の危機を知った曹劌は謁見を望んだ。
