Jesus Christ, are these prices a joke? Do people actually spend this much money for this stuff? I feel like I don't understand pricing in the slightest.
supply/demand
>>2530557
That doesn't even look inherently bad if that's what you are trying to say.
>>2530561
Don't you need to think about competition alongside supply/demand though? For $100, I could get a full-body colored pictured by a better artist who is probably just as popular.
this artist did this for less than $60 and it seems pretty cheap for me.
>>2530582
who made this?
>>2530557
Isn't this artist fairly popular though, off of that one Ke$ha animated MV? If their prices are this high, they've obviously got a consumer base. Lower prices are worse for artists, so why complain? If enough people start pricing this low >>2530582
because of emergencies, third world level costs of living, etc., that'd lower pretty much every average joe artist's commission income.
>>2530568
Just as popular, maybe, but not them.
>>2530557
She's extremely skilled with a strong style.
The same way people pay extraordinary prices for a cotton t-shirt if it has a brand.
Furfags and weebs seem generally more willing to spend their money on frivolous things that they like.
If you've got a relatively unique style and people that like you, they'll pay for that sort of stuff.
I still can't imagine she gets that many sales, but when you consider that selling one is as good as selling two or three financially, you can afford to only sell half or a third as many.
Fuck off Mayalsia.
>>2530666
>Mayalsia
Can someone clue me in on this meme. I don't even know what it's all about
>>2530557
she's a well known artist and has a lot of skill.
she can probably take as much money for a commissions as she wants to
>>2530582
sounds too cheap for me
I bet the artist worked around 10 hours on that
>>2530675
>>2530639
>>2530564
>Skilled
I was literally drawing like this in high school when I was first starting out and I didn't know shit about anatomy and just drew stylized cartoons to hide the fact I couldn't draw. She still draws like this at age 24 and with a BFA from the School of Visual Arts.
That shit's embarrassingly bad.
>>2530682
Feel free to post what you made in high school, so that I can point out the differences to you and explain to you why the illustrations posted by OP are not bad.
>>2530557
Furry
thats why
>>2530682
>I was literally drawing like this in high school when I was first starting out
yeah right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCusehQROC8
>>2530557
This particular person is really popular on tumblr, so they can get away with charging high prices for low quality art.
>>2530701
Literally the only good thing she's done. Probably helps it was a school project and had someone supervising it.
Compare that to her latest animation where she's actually gotten worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47fADGOaxc
>>2530682
lmao you are hilariously deluded
if you realy have the fraction of skill she posesses, you should not shy away from posting your masterpieces
>People praising Vivienne
>But they shit on Loish and Sakimichan
That on top of the "post your work" and "Loomis" meme, it's no wonder this board is considered a huge joke and why no one of actual skill posts here except in the Promote Yourself thread with drive-by advertisers.
I really enjoy her characterful and expressive art. More artists should have confidence in themselves and charge this kind of money instead of being betas doing free requests and so on. There's a guy in cripplekike-chan's /co/ board for example that's done dozens, possibly over a hundred of pictures of the characters from "the Loud House" by now in exchange for nothing but (you)'s. Granted he's not a spectacular artist but he should be using that time trying to get better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXYoD7wfOs
>>2530706
maybe you're not correctly informed, but this is her newest animation on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwj7otQBzIg
>>2530701
Damn this animation was really cute and entertaining. Her artwork isn't that great but it's perfect for animation imo
>>2530715
I chose her second most recent because that one is a collaboration and has her trying to emulate someone else's style. To make it a fair comparison, I chose Silhouette.
>>2530711
Compared to sakimichan an poeple like kronprinz she is actually a creative artist that draws what she loves. And not purely boring and shiny illustrations for the masses.
>>2530726
Both pander to terrible consumers. If anything, Viv is worse because she has terrible work ethic. She keeps adding new projects without finishing the old ones. She's had to hold her comic off for months because of fan animations she's wanted to do.
If people are willing to pay that much, good for her. She's obviously worked to build up a base and is reaping the rewards.
>>2530557
It's not even that much, mate.
>paying more than $100 for commission
Idiots.
>>2530678
yeah, they stopped taking commissions after finished 3 pieces. may realized they work was too cheap.
>>2530582
That's something you could charge $150+ easily. If it takes them 10 hours like anon said, probably 200 - 250.
This is like normal freelance pricing. Normal "commissions" pricing is harmfully low because it's mainly desperate teenagers.
If you want to make money off art, you also have to be able to sell art. If you don't have a range of people who want your product, no commissions.
She knows what she's doing she's an artist and a businessman.
>>2530815
>She knows what she's doing she's an artist and a businessman.
>Having commissions open makes you a businessman
Nah, senpai.
>>2530726
she panders to autists who love colorful furries, she's just as worse plus her art isn't aesthatically pleasing at all
>>2530557
never hate on an artist makin bank
they shouldn't be making less
everyone else should be making more
Not a fan of the artwork, but all decent artists should have their prices around those levels. Hate seeing artists who undervalue themselves, getting paid less than $100 for a 10-12 hour piece is sickening.
>>2530884
i dont think artists take that amount of time. they have enough knowledge to finish a piece in 2 hour or less.
>>2530557
I do half bodies for a company and get paid 300 per, and they're not even in a painted style. If it weren't for dumb kids undercutting each other to make extra spending money while they're still living with their parents covering all their expenses, then artists could charge professional rates, and those prices would probably be even higher. Art should be priced for the time put into it and artists shouldn't be making minimum wage, unless the artist is truly unprofessional garbage, which OP is not.
>>2530889
I have quite a simple drawing style and I need at least 6 hours for a colored full body drawing with no background.
>>2530900
People don't charge company rates for commissions because, quite obviously, the people requesting them are not companies. There is a difference between a project with a budget who want to take and use your work, typically for commercial use (They're buying all rights from you), and an individual who likes your work and wants it for personal use while the original artist still retains the rights to post it where ever they want.
>>2530900
>artists shouldn't be making minimum wage
A large part of wages is compensation for the suffering of having to work. If you're working on your own schedule in your own environment then suffering is minimal.
I saw one other furry artist that charges a minimum of 250$ for an image. Obviously if they put that on their commission info, it's because they can afford to. She was indeed very skilled and popular. Didn't do porn or lewds either.
There is a certain percentage of people within the furry world that are willing to spend that kind of money on art of their characters. Just gotta find them ;^)
>>2530900
People undercut their prices because of lack of followers. If I price my commissions the same as Viv's, the person may as well request a commission from her instead of me. She is more popular, her art has more prestige to it (Which is a big reason why people get commissions), and she's high demand.
It's the same why people in the real world who just graduated undercut because if they price themselves the same as a professional with years of experience, then a company can just hire them for the same price + they get someone with experience.
>>2530910
If someone spends a decade honing a trade, they deserve more than just minimum wage, even if the 'suffering' is minimal.
>>2530903
You can always practice speedpaints if you think you're slow. Most artists do that because of their tight schedule.
>>2530906
It still takes the same amount of work, and should make the same pay, regardless of the use of the work, unless somehow the work can earn you more income. If someone commissions work from you and you're allowed to sell prints of it (and KNOW you can make money on it) then I can understand making a deal in that case, but most personal commissions are of shitty do-not-steal OCs that no one would want to buy, IF the commissioner is even willing to let you sell prints of their character. Professional level artists should absolutely charge professional rates regardless of whether the work is commercial or personal.
>>2530910
Lol such bullshit. Higher pay is for higher expertise (ideally, although usually it's just for being white and male). And generally people in low paying jobs are experiencing the most suffering; food service and retail workers would be making some of the highest salaries for the daily shit they have to put up with from customers. What world do you live in?
>>2530557
In furry communities, value scales with popularity. Blame autism.
Someone post the (insert your OC here) porn one that auctioned for over a grand or the one that sold an OC steel donut furry dragon for 2k.
>>2530557
ew i know this autistic furry that's had 2 of these profile pictures done for her stupid cat thing, she spent 200 bucks for literal trash
>>2531263
If drawing sucked as a job then less people would want to do it. Amount of suffering in a job directly influences supply. Of course "supply" is only one side of "supply and demand". I never said it was the only thing affecting price.
>>2530774
I'm sure people have paid more than thousands of dollars for an art piece in the past.
>>2530808
Given the market I would say 80-100.
I know you'll shit on me, but more than that nobody will pay.
Man, for me comission is for trivial artwork. Porn, characters, fanart...
For real illustration and IPs, give them the real hourly price.
>>2530804
I've seen some talented (pro-level) artists undercharge, usually they're people that live in places like SEA or South America and can afford to undercut the market because the cost of living is so low there.
>>2530820
Whether you like it or not, selling your stuff makes you a business. Goes for the 13 year old grills and the deluded 35 year olds too.
>>2531263
>i am poor and have bought into the blame game
Get out, faggot. And don't come back until you're ready to take personal responsibility. You won't git gud until then anyway.
>>2531395
How do you know the exact price to charge?
>>2531263
mfw I'm a white straight male working a retail job, whos managers have all been women, except one who was a gay man.
Also mfw there's yet another thread bitching about the "success" of another no-name artist.
boohoo, white men. boohoo, successful people.
>>2531449
experience.
>>2531490
I guess I'll start off at 5$ then
>>2530682
Wow you're deluded. If you had that skill level and understanding of gesture at that age you would be working on major movies and animation at this point.
The fact that you can't understand the skill and knowledge behind her drawings kinda speaks to what a beginner you must be. I don't care for her style and the furry shit, but her skill is definitely there.
>>2531506
Not that guy, but how do you see skill pass the style? It's difficult for me to be able to comprehend judging an art piece with heavy stylization. I might just be too focused on the style.
>>2531506
>I don't care for her style and the furry shit, but her skill is definitely there.
>She frequently makes mistakes like drawing backwards arms, legs, and twisted torsos.
>Skill
shes on picarto now https://picarto.tv/VivziePop
>>2531509
>choosing animators inbetween frames for critique
okay buddy, nice bait.
>>2531520
That's not an inbetween, it's a keyframe, and it's still a huge fucking mistake for literally any artist on the planet.
But here you go pal, this shit is easy to find, she makes these mistakes all the fucking time.
Please keep living in a deluded world where you think this is skillful, we need more optimists like you.
>>2531523
More broke and backwards joints.
>>2531532
"style" is not an excuse for backwards legs and hands unless you're purposely doing a Looney Tunes-esque gag, which Vivienne is not.
>post your work meme
sure, why not.
your turn.
>>2531535
>sketches
>work
>>2531537
I am not the anon you are arguing with but as an observer I would like to confirm you are a retard.
>>2531539
Are you implying sketches aren't work? My sketches are better than Viv's finished pieces, hell, your sketches are a million times better. It's baffling why you're even defending her when you clearly know better. Only reason I can think of is that you must have shit taste or low standards. But if you want to continue to think pieces like this are good and not deviantART levels of eye sore, go ahead, I suppose.
>>2531541
She is obviously successful, and I don't like the fact that people get so mad when another artist they don't like is doing well.
I dont' like Van Gough, but I don't shit the bed when I hear his painting is worth 1 gorrillion dollars.
I don't even know why I'm arguing anymore, what did /ic/ do to me?
>>2531543
>She is obviously successful, and I don't like the fact that people get so mad when another artist they don't like is doing well.
Except you weren't arguing her success but her skill, implying anyone who doesn't understand her art is a beginner rather than accepting she lacks severe fundamentals to make her art good:
>>2531506
You can't compare her to an artist like Van Gogh because Viv is clearly trying to follow basic principles of art but failing. Trying to draw something going back into perspective and getting it wrong is worse than purposely ignoring perspective to draw an appealing composition, like pic related.
Viv uses her style as a crutch to hide her inability to draw certain things properly, and it clearly shows.
>>2531545
>Viv uses her style as a crutch to hide her inability to draw certain things properly, and it clearly shows.
that actually makes a ton of sense and I didn't think of it that way, good point and duly noted.
>>2531546
Huh, first time I've ever seen a shitfight on /ic/ get a civil finish. Good on you two.
>>2531545
>>2531546
NOOOOO YOU STUPID FUCKERS!!!!!!!
That's not how you shitpost! What did you do? This is not how Sith use Force! Goddamn, call him a faggot, what are you waiting for?! And you, say to him that he is never going to make it! Fuck!!! All those years of hard work to make this board shit and all for naught because two queer wankers decided to be civil! What were you even thinking? Anonymous, now laugh at him and finish it, so you can complete your transition to shit side!!!
>>2531546
This is disney tierv ending
>>2531535
Not cool, Ange
At least you have a somewhat legitimate reason to hate her (unlike everyone else in this thread), but you're just coming across as really jealous and immature. You're doing fine on your own, and you're better than this.
>people are actually defending this furry cancer
What has /ic/ become?
>>2531591
>2016
>amerifags still butthurt at furry shit
learn to ignore buddy
>>2530557
If the artist in question can produce x in y time, at a profit of z what's stopping the artist from maximising profit?
If the artist can still have x sales at z+k what's to stop him/her from doing so?
>>2531662
If I can put my d in your a without any consequences what's to stop me from doing so?
>>2530582
That's because the artist is an idiot & selling themselves way too cheap.
>>2530582
That's because that artist is a fucking moron and doesn't have the balls to price the work properly.
Could have made closer to 200$ from that easily.
I'm a total novice when it comes to art.
I only have few years of experience with drawing and I started pricing my furry work near 100$ right from the get go.
I still get more business than I can handle at this point and I'm not even pandering to any specific fetishes.
I'm going to push these prices through the fucking roof when I get better and I'm still going to get business.
Sure it's going to mean that people from 3rd world shitholes won't be able to afford my stuff and they're going to complain about it, but that's irrelevant.
Market is big enough and there's going to be enough business out there, you just need to ask for those prices and the money will come in.
If anyone gets salty over someone charging that much, well it's their loss.
That's like crying over people paying up the ass for Apple products.
>>2531658
>implying I'm American
> I'mplying the only thing cancerous about that artist is the furries
>>2531539
>>2531535
He's right though, her stuff is dogshit. She has no control over color or shapes, when you watch her animations they look like squiggly lines on a 2d plane, now technically, thats exactly what they are; are squiggly lines
But what I'm trying to say is that they dont feel 3d, she doesn't get perspective and she has absolutely no control over colors.
Her work looks like an artists neon-induced diarrhea.
>>2531686
Nothing, hence why there are consequences for doing that.
>>2531718
Yeah you could price you shit like that, but consider this, he is a moron but Viv's art isnt worth 100+$
Why? Because its trash.
To some one who isn't a fucking sucker its easy to tell how much a pice is worth.
DA is full of rich children that want to get a special piece of art for themselves, and they are willing to pay up the ASS for fucking garbage. (that or fucking degenerates)
On a side note, I'm not commenting about you art at all, if retards are willing to give you a crap ton of money for mediocre art then more power to you; its their fault that they are fucking dumb.
>>2531739
Sure it's trash and I personally don't like her art either, but why exactly isn't it worth +100$?
Compare to any prices the art industry charges and this stuff isn't even remotely comparable at these prices.
Compare it to anything the professional world charges for paintings or sketches and it doesn't even register on that price scale.
So where exactly does this idea that art sold to people by other people should only be priced at near or way under the minimum wage come from, even if there's a market for it?
We see tons of people sell art for prices like here >>2530900 so that's probably where it comes from.
But these are kids who live at home and don't have to worry about paying anything, so it's not a realistic model to follow.
If an artist has a following and is able to charge over three figures for every piece of work then good.
I don't even have a following, as in no fucking following at all, and judging by people's willingness to constantly throw +100$ at my mediocre art, I'd say that these are more reasonable prices to think of the market as, than those 10$ for commission that the kiddies at DA are charging.
Market is willing and able to consistently pay nearly 100$ for very mediocre work, so that's where the prices for that stuff lie, not at 20$.
That's just artists undercutting themselves and not a realistic way or price range to think of the market as.
So thinking of it that way, her prices aren't really nothing to write home about.
I believe she could double those prices and still get just as much business, which is what she should do.
Actually her not doing exactly that, is her being a shitty businessman.
This isn't a charity or a hobby to her, it's her work and she's undercutting her own prices by keeping them this low.
>all these posts
You idiots are all posting in a Malaysia thread.
are those designs uninspired? in my humble opinion yeah sure, it's oversaturated and uninteresting. but the drawings are definitely of a commercial standard and i'd also concede that i don't know as much about masks and filters that the girl who drew those does. those look really complicated to make.
i disagree with her artistic taste
>>2531395
Yes, unfortunately in South America, at least in Brazil, the minimum wage is like 250U$. If you're charging 25U$ you're making 1/10 of the minimum wage (which is shit, but we're prob talking about artists living with their parents. I don't believe it's possible to make a living in Brazil anymore).
>>2531937
>I don't believe it's possible to make a living in Brazil anymore).
freelance nigga, i made 750$ yesterday in a single day
>>2532147
I hear you should get a producer or else you might end up getting bad clients. How are yours?
>>2530557
In this case it's more about the brand that is her name, not the drawing itself, i.e. she can blow her prices wayyy over the top and still fill all the commission slots.
>>2532157
Sure. We're talking about products here ppl, It's also about selling skills, marketing skills. Very different from art skills. I know it might hurt, but the artistic skill is just one thing.
>>2530706
She got into Gobelins didn't she?
>>2532340
what
She's not even French
>>2532342
don't have to be French to get in. but I was mistaken, it's just the Summer school.
https://twitter.com/vivziepop/status/717568791681626112
>>2532345
still that means she'll be surrounded by a lot of talented animators and teachers and hopefully hone her animation skills
i hope this is the thing that really kicks her art into gear
i've followed her twitter for awhile and she really gets sucked into e-drama, she would benefit greatly from a social media break and focus on school work
>>2530639
>She's extremely skilled with a strong style.
>>2531506
>Wow you're deluded. If you had that skill level and understanding of gesture at that age you would be working on major movies and animation at this point.
>>2530707
>skill she posesses
Is her work THAT good?
Because im better than her and still sell regular illu/character for 60-80.
Ok i will make it 100+ for now.
You can proud of yourself /ic/, you finally make some artist do something based on your posts.
PS:
Really hope that wasn't some shitty retarded asslicking/orbiting and you actually thing that the skill is great AND worth that price.
Otherwise i will return and make sure your life will turn into hell.
>>2532365
Someone stated it but skill is only like, 30% of the deal. Brand name and content makes up the rest. Furries and porn sell high because people want to cater to their fetishes since it's basically a hobby to them, and people love indulging in their hobby. In that regard, skill doesn't matter, people just want their shit.
A popular artist can raise their prices due to supply/demand, people want their favorite artist to draw their character.
You can still sell for $100+, but without a following or pandering, it may be harder to get sales. But look at it this way, selling higher means you need less requests. One $100 commission is better than two $50 commissions.
>>2532372
>Someone stated it but skill is only like, 30% of the deal. Brand name and content makes up the rest.
i don't care about that DA/Tumblr bullshit.
Im working in a videogame industry. When i said "character" i mean characters for game (enemies or design of main character), not some cringy OC.
I just still have that..."DA-mindset" where 60$ for a character is kinda okay. But not anymore - this was the last reason that finally made me throw that away.
>>2532372
>>2532377
Also - i don't have any following at all because all i do is working with games and posting some random stuff to my account sometimes.
Im awfully unpopular. It actually was making me so upset back then.
Now with professional sites like Behance being more popular im getting less upset. Because it's perfectly fine that i don't have a thousands of retarded furries watching me but quite popular in gamedev/illustration market.
but yeah some self confidence still needed.
>>2532377
>Im working in a videogame industry.
Industry prices should be WAY higher than commission prices. Because, if the game gets made, they'll be using your assets and be making money off of your work, so naturally, the pay should be higher. Don't feel bad about wanting a piece of that cheddar, the people hiring you certainly don't feel bad about exploiting someone who is unaware they're undercutting themselves.
I don't know what a good price is, maybe someone can chime in, but $60 for character assets is criminally low.
>>2532372
>>2532365
also WHAT THE FUCK. i actually opened that OP-picture just now.
I thought...that she charges 100-115 and that makes people upset.
But she charges 200 GODDAMN DOLLARS for full body picture?
Dude this is quite retarded. Even if i have some confidence issues im sort of professional from industry and this is complete bullshit.
Her skill is autistic shit. I would understand 100-120 dollars but not a fucking 200$.
>>2532385
>but $60 for character assets is criminally low
thanks. i think i just stuck with it because i started to work fully back in 2009 and it was okay back then. And i was busy all these years and never actually thought about that again. Ever...
But world and economycs are changing and i guess it's good that i at least visit /ic/ to know what is happening in this world, lol.
>>2532386
Your post reeks of non-professionalism.
>>2532390
Yeah the anon seems delusional as fuck.
>>2532386
>But she charges 200 GODDAMN DOLLARS for full body picture?
damn. fucking damn.
Im going to kill myself. Im such a fucking moron.
5 months ago i drew an illustration for a videogame menu and it had lots of characters (main characters in center and enemies and background) on it.
And i charged 140$ (style similar to her but better and detailed-cartoony because it was for Ipad).
WHILE SHE CHARGES 200 FUCKING DOLLARS FOR JUST 1 SINGLE CHARACTER.
okay i will go and hang myself.
then i will never ever price myself that low. What a fucking autist i am.
Wow...i could make my mother so much more happier if i was shown that i actually can earn money. But i didn't.
>>2532394
>tfw gotta make 400 with just your art
Not gonna make it
>>2532402
I worked on a commercial as an animator for a couple of weeks and made a little over $1000 a week. Some people here I think need to be reminded that Craigslist is not freelancing, it's a bunch of cheap dicks looking to get their "vision" in exchange for exposure or peanuts. You want to freelance, you go after companies who have a budget and whom you send invoices over to, not people looking to Kickstarter some platformer or a web series.
>>2532391
>Yeah the anon seems delusional as fuck.
Nah im actually better. I worked in non stop sinse 2007. Started to work with videogames exclusively in 2009.
Now im videogame animator and character designer and every client wants me to work for him because i know my shit.
But im still autistic 4chinner by mind (that means im alone, depressive all the time and want to kill myself because i live in a small town) - all that stuff makes me a little "degenerate".
While if i had such skill and wasn't a 4chin visitor, i would be a little more happier and sucessful.
Every time i finish the project, see clients super excited e-mail that says how talented i am and how glad he is to work with me, im crying because finish of the project means that im alone again and have nobody to talk to.
>>2532409
But someone has to help those craigslist people and that can be you.
>>2532418
Someone's gotta help me pay my bills too and they're certainly not thinking, "that could be me".
>>2532394
>Take into consideration how much you're drawing + how long it takes you
Want to talk about this...because i never understood payment based on time.
What if im drawing fast? That means i will be paid less? While if i was drawing slower i could be paid more?
That sound sreally silly. I always charge based on how detailed needed picture is.
>>2532431
Ignore if you draw fast or slow, because your employer doesn't really need to know, they just need to know that you can deliver. If you're fast, use that to your advantage. If you're slow, you need to work on that because it's very hard to meet deadlines if you're a slow artist.
If your boss gives you five days to do a project and you can get it done in one day, stretch it out to three days. You can get paid decently, still deliver it earlier than expected, AND you have a lot of free time to boot. It sounds shifty to try and stretch work out into longer periods, but that's how you survive in the workplace.
Realistically, most people in office jobs can get their work done in a couple of days, even a couple of hours. But then their boss will see them doing nothing and start cutting back on employees because there's more employees than there is workload. It's not a great example because you may not have a supervisor if you do remote work, but it's just to show you that you need to use your talents smartly, don't just show them off. Balance it between "impressive" and "livable".
If you finish all your work quickly, you'll just be getting paid less and have to do MORE work for other clients to make up the difference.
Even if you draw fast, pretend you draw average time length and charge that way. There's no reason you should be getting paid less when you've gotten skilled enough to be a fast artist, that just means you can relax more. It's a perk of practicing. And realistically, the employer is still saving if you turn things earlier because they thought it was going to take longer.
>>2532414
This is copypasta worthy
>>2532449
Damn now i see it...once again my autism shows.
Im working fast and getting exausted fast because when i finish stuff - client puts more work on me. And then i will burn out and become slow.
While i could just stretch time and spend more time...i dunno...for videogames or jerking off i guess.
>>2532454
im still amazed by this shit. Im 29 and work so hard. Yet im having a mind of 19y/o autist from 4chan that makes me act unprofessional.
>>2532386
>I would understand 100-120 dollars but not a fucking 200$.
Which is why she's making that kind of money from those simple pics and you aren't.
Forget the hobby aspect of art and get into the business mindset with this.
If it's supposed to be your job, then treat it as one and think of it from a financial point of view.
If people are willing to pay, then have the balls to ask for that kind of money.
>B-b-but it's immoral!
No fuck that way of thinking, you don't utilize that way of thiking when you're looking for a job.
It's like saying:
>Oh my god, how can these window washers be paid 30$ an hour, I'd do it for 8$ max and I couldn't possibly ask for more!
If there's a market, then you go and charge at that market and use it to your advantage.
I swear 99% of artists out there are the worst fucking business people I've seen.
t. someone who made nearly 10k from selling simple mlp shit.
>>2532431
The whole point of that "Get paid more than minimum wage" statement is, that you shouldn't be charging 50$ for a picture if it takes you 10h to complete.
You should be asking 100$ for that at minimum.
It's just a little baseline guide to price your art at.
If you can draw that shit in 2h then good.
Still ask 100$ or more for it.
>>2532468
Thanks!
it...actually makes me feel happy. That means life can be a little more optimistic and less cringy for me.
>>2532468
>If there's a market, then you go and charge at that market and use it to your advantage.
>I swear 99% of artists out there are the worst fucking business people I've seen.
Also wanted to comment
>if there is a market
the thing is - every time i was trying to ask about market standarts people would go
>durr hurr based on specific example
>>2532468
>I swear 99% of artists out there are the worst fucking business people I've seen.
This is why most artists fail :)
>>2532524
Well... :) Not anymore, because anon opened a secret to success. ;)
>>2531509
"Breaking" joints is actually like a thing that happens in good animation. It's extensively explained in The Animator's Survival Kit (basically the seminary traditional animation textbook, by the guy that directed Who Framed Roger Rabbit). Incidentally, I cannot recommend it highly enough if you're an animation student or just looking to get into it. There's formulaic breakdowns of just everything essential, plus some great bits of animation wisdom handed down from some of the OG greats, like Art Babbit and Milt Kahl.
But yeah, not saying her animation or art is, the greatest or anything. Howeverrrrrr, holding that one detail up as proof of her dumbassitude is just proof of your own. Or ignorance of animation principles, but dif'rent strokes I guess. Her choices for extreme, unnatural joint breaks are fine, in the context of the action and supported by the style, and don't scream "wrong" to me.
Personally, I find her animation lacking mostly in a grounding weight. The way her characters and their environments interact is pretty one dimensional, and without the secondary motion that would lend it more credibility and life.
>>2530557
even there's art trades who costs $100
>>2531526
It's heavily stylized, don't let /ic/ ruin it, chump.
>>2532693
Well, I meant ruin you*
>>2530557
These are animated.
>>2531730
>> I'mplying the only thing cancerous about that artist is the furries
Not even that guy but that was some shit quality post m8
The pic was just used as an example, get over yourself.
>>2532725
> I have nothing of value to say in this discussion so I'll just pick on something irrelevant instead.
>>2532595
She's not breaking the joints. Her pictures clearly just have the right hand on the left arm, or vice-versa.
>>2532365
Icarus, why are you upset that you aren't good enough to make money?
>>2532595
I don't think that screenshot is her doing a technique so much as an error. Breaking joints would be emphasizing or exaggerating the pose, but it doesn't look like the wolf is doing that here. I think it's just a backwards hand.
>>2530557
i doubt OP. You can post your rates and appear that people are paying for it or maybe she gets 1 commission a year so... it doesn't matter how much you charge per piece if you earn shit yearly. sad fact if money is your basis. another Sad business reality man
>>2530557
She needs to figure out her colours because I can't tell what the fuck is going on in half of these.
>>2531478
>you = every white male out there
