Got any complaints about being an artist, or artistic communities? Get it off your chest here.
Rant/Bitch about whatever you want, as long as its art related.
"why dont you work more?"
"all you do is draw all day"
>>2528970
Sweet jesus that's hot
twitter is anal
>>2528970
That's high-test regards high-test frogz.
>>2528980
right? the skirt is not even flipped in real life
pure deviance
>>2528970
yo how about the actual painting of that senpai
Not sure if im coming on too strong, or if i'm just an unlikable person, Been trying to make friends with artists since I've started getting "out there", im relatively "popular" I guess, but I have very few friends into art.
Most of them are friendly, but I somehow have the impression that they dont like me, or I'm too eager to make friends and scare them off, very few of them seem that interested in making friends.
I don't think im acting sycophantic, or aggressive. I'm trying to be genuine and nice, but I feel like I keep screwing it up for myself by trying to be open and friendly, or my friendly openness is being perceived in a negative way, its frustrating, because I don't know if im a fuck up, or if these people just dont care.
>>2528991
>>2529009
How about an actual picture of the senpai himself?
>>2529009
you a real one for this
>>2529010
@mishimatetsuya on twitter
>>2529012
>>2528970
>itt degenerate chubby chasers.
>>2529018
pls
Just got on dA for no reason but to use it as my personal cloud save for my stuff. I heard about the asspats but didn't know it was that insane.
I know they're all just hobbyists but I just wonder where some people would be without all the false praise.
>>2528986
>get a tweet with over 10k impressions
>only get 10 followers out of it
At least people interact with me on Twitter.
>>2528970
>you should draw me this, anon
>why dont you just make this your full time job
>I bet you can't draw better than X
>do you draw your own porn too?
I do this to get away from the world. its the only escape I have. I don't go around posting shit I draw for a reason.
>>2529029
>High profile artist messages me
>start shooting the shit seemingly making friends.
>suddenly he stops responding to me, despite being active on twitter.
T-thanks.
>>2528976
>you said that you're drawing but you're just in front of your computer all day
YES. DRAWING.
>>2529029
I got 12k impressions from an indie game dev retweeting my fan art , I believe I received 2-3 followers in the 2 days that it was gaining traction
>>2529002
You sound like you have low self esteem or depression.
>>2528970
>looks at artwork from highschool done during an art class
>notice it's actually got some work put into them and don't look all that bad
>wait
>realize that back then only really paid attention to value, proportions, form, light and such simple things that were all seen with the eye because didn't care for the fundamentals yet
>realize copying was actually useful without having practiced the fundamentals
>realize that art class was more focused on subject matter to which the fundamentals were applied without having been all polished beforehand
>realize the class actually covered all the fundamentals and more in that year and was still able to improve them all at once through constant application instead of working the fundamentals up first
If I had known back then that I was improving so many core fundamentals at once, I imagine I wouldn't have given up so early in my life. The practice I'm doing nowadays is so different in that I'm working on each indivudual fundamental and building them up instead before applying them. Didn't quite realize that through the use of application you could build them up all at once. I'm self-taught now, so I don't know all the art teaching styles, but that one from that class really makes me believe I could have some fun by using it in the present because it could vary the kind of practice I do. But yeah, just wish I had knew about this stuff instead of knowing it now. Would have really helped my self-esteem back then. I have heard some art schools just make you do brute force work until you understand and how that could waste time. Whereas working the fundaments is understanding first so you are able to do practically anything when you get to application.
>>2528970
I'm afraid of drawing in public, I don't like bringing attention to myself, I'm afraid someone's going to catch me drawing them and start yelling at me for invading their privacy. On the other hand I'm also afraid someones going to ask to look at my sketch book.
>>2529002
maybe the people are just assholes and self-centered? if you are meeting artists off of 4chan, you are going to get backlash for disagreeing with anything they say.
do you have a skype?
>>2529095
Act normal, just tell them no or tell them you don't like showing people your stuff, stop being weird.
>>2529034
>High profile artist started following me on Tumblr two years back when I was a shitty artist
>Embarassed as hell that someone so neat and popular saw something in me
>Recently start using Twitter
>They end up tracking me down and following me
>They call me cute after seeing my artvsartist compilation
I'm still very confused by this.
>been drawing my whole life
>mostly sonic and anime type shit
>everyone's impressed so i never try to improve
>stop drawing as much sophomore year of high school because I found music production and rapping
> drawings lame anyway
>fast forward freshman year of college
>realize that digital art is a thing
>buy tablet and make terrible art but im hype
>sophomore year
>panic attack cause software engineering isnt my thing
>fuckit.jpeg
>switch to art major, digital art focus
>take animation classes that summer to catch up and realize animation is a thing
>realize that this is my passion
lowkey mad at my parents for seeing my draw so much but not making me take extra art courses and shit. in retrospect they worked alot and were stressed as it is but jfc im angry i got a tablet at 19-20 and not as a kid. if i had started just a few years earlier idve been so much betters than i am now but hey whatya gonna do.
>>2529131
change software engineering with economics and music with constant learning about new stuff and not using the information in any way and you are literally me
right now my tablet is collecting dust while I am grinding my fundamentals traditionally. one day my friend, one day
>>2529156
Fundies only take around 40 hours of dedicated time, move on from them after that.
>>2529165
40 hours is like a whole month or two for some people.
>>2529165
rly?
>>2528970
I've got a few of these.
>Drawing for a living
>Make enough to pay for my utilities and rent.
>Mother-in-law keeps asking when I'm getting a real job.
>Tells people I'm unemployed at family gatherings.
>>2529171
I wouldn't want to tell people I drew porn to make money either.
>>2529173
I didn't tell them it was porn but they probably figured. Yeah, I'll just save them all the trouble and lie to them and say I'm working at Wal-Mart or something.
ill get back to drawing one day
>>2529176
Those words trigger me.
>>2529002
I've probably been the most social I've ever been in the past year. It's the same deal in life, anon. The fact is most people don't care and most of the time it isn't you. They've got their own problems they're preoccupied with, or maybe your personalities don't click. If you're being friendly and open, I doubt you're doing anything terrible to drive people away.
I'd say you just gotta keep at it and be happy if you can find a few good friends who treat you well. They're worth more than the people that will pass you by without a second thought.
>>2529189
>tfw passes by people without a second thought
You have to prove yourself to me to be acknowledged.
>>2529167
no shit. It's not a race.
>>2529171
Are you actively working towards being a better artist? Make progress and show them your work from time to time.
Ask your mother-in-law what made her give up on what drove her and made her become the shill she is. Ask her why she doesn't work a real job and why she has nothing better to do than talk shit.
>>2529200
This then slap that bitch in the face.
>>2529291
with your cock
>spent more than a year trying to beome ingratiated in doujin communities
>wanted to go to cons and sell prints
>try really, really hard. make a lot of progress
>took me forever to realize i'm just orbiting these art cliques that's don't look me in the eye, ever
>can feel western artists laughing at me behind my back for being a pathetic orbiter
i got a painting of mine in a VN and got good enough to win a scholarship for school but now I realize I should have just drawn neat unstylized stuff and avoided the pixiv scene entirely. at least i go to school now but god i'm such a fuckin dope
>>2529312
desu writing this doesn't change anything either, i'm gonna go to class today, come back and sit and stare at my twitter feed full of complete randos who just know me as "that guy" and don't unfollow out of pity
>>2529312
>>2529315
>western
huh? what do you mean you were trying to get into a clique of western artists? I thought pixiv was japanese artists
Anyway don't sweat it too much anon. I know how you feel, I see art cliques I wish I was a part of so often, but rarely do cliques ever warm to anyone new.
My complaint is just that tumblr as a whole generally doesn't care about non-fanart and especially doesn't care about any styles other than those super cutesy and sketchy ones. But I don't mind too much, since I found it's not a trend that carries to the rest of the internet. I especially stopped caring when I saw a famous tumblr artist begging for dollar donations because they were so broke. These people can't justify charging any kind of money for their art because it's so low effort.
>start making that commission n prints money
>finally tell my dad that's what i'm doing now
>*affronted voice* who would buy art from [i]you[/i]?
>WOW DAD
>turns out it was actually an honest question about what sort of clientle were giving me money though he's just bad at phrasing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>2529126
was this aldoori?
>>2529483
hi-tec-c 0.3 is what you want
>>2529165
>>2529002
i'll be your friend anon
>>2529165
Anon you should never stop learning fundamentals. what kind of logic lead you to believe you just complete that level and move on
>>2529508
These look neat, thanks
>>2529312
>wanting to be part of any clique
Cliques are cancer, anon, no exceptions. Break the habit, drop the faggots and go set up somewhere better.
>>2529165
do you find your work often in the cringe thread?
>>2529002
when i befriend an artist, they suddendly get bored of me and they don't like my stuff anymore. i've been losing potential friendships as time passes, and now i lost the interest of befriend artists. and being an autistic idiot doesn't help too.
>>2529633
I would never befriend an artist unless I was good because I too would leave behind the shitty artists. I don't want them to pull me down and I don't want to pull them up either.
I hate when artists get very elitist about their work, and at the end nobody is the best, because we constantly improve.
>>2529637
Some people are just like that and it's universal, so it can't be helped. Just don't associate with them.
>>2529636
there is nothing i can do if they like my stuff enough to follow me.
i guess is my own fault for barely improve my art with the years, and being uninteresting besides being an artist.
>>2529633
My only issue befriending other artists is that they're more often that not liberal faggots, whereas I am a more rightwing dudebro type. You wouldn't think they're be so many pussies at local metal shows, but there are.
I hate when I type out a long, detailed post replying to someone about their freelance/marketing/social media problems. Then no one responds and the thread dies.
If you someone takes the time to help you, the least you can do is thank them.
>>2529344
>>2529559
i don't really associate with tumblrcore. in fact the people in concern are actually all really skilled and career-minded artists, making money off of their work.
my art is good. professionals running classes at my school keep wanting to hold on to my work to use as examples for later classes. i don't even shitpost on my twitter account, and i don't bother people.
when i get the cold shoulder so often it makes me think that there's something wrong with me. and when you go out there online and post your work alone, if it just collects dust and you keep doing it, what are you doing? you're just leading your own charade. it's sad.
i'm a smart enough guy to know how to not act ignorantly and offline i'm a very social person. i'd trade all of the praise i get from professors for a fucking high five from a couple of them but it's so dissonant and sad, like i'm just a buffoon out there who just called his teacher mom in class or something.
do you understand what i mean?
>>2529765
the vague nature of it all is what bothers me the most. what i do know is i got banned from someone's picarto like a year ago (i had forgotten about it), but other than that there's nothing to conclude about me, my art, or whatever else i did that apparently made me completely unlikeable. i just know they don't want me there. it's a huge blow to my pride that feels like a big loss and that makes my will to post anything on it suffer.
It feels like almost I've completely lost interest in art, honestly I've spent hours a day for the past years and I just now realised how utterly bored I was doing it; if I tried to do something 'fun' (i.e. not studies) then it turns out shit or I just can't place it down on the paper and I end up going back to grinding references, I always feel lost when it comes to improvement and the satisfaction of finishing a drawing while great doesn't last very long.
I feel like I've seen many artists I've liked but never one I'd like to be like (in terms of art), I'm just looking at pretty pictures, the jealousy that used to drive me to improve is now gone
>>2529633
i usually don't befriend artist unless i actually want to be their friends, don't care how much i like their work or anything, if they're not cool people i don't care, maybe thats something you should keep in mind when trying to find artist friends or whatever
i mean im sure they wouldn't be my friend anyway, but you get the idea, and to be honest with you the only friend thats an artist i have is a tattoo artist i knew from high school. he's a rad dude and we were friends before he got heavy into tattooing, was always a great artist
Waited way too late to get started into drawing. I still believe I can get extremely good but now its going to have to happen at a cost I won't really be comfortable with. If you're in your teens or early 20s right now just be extremely grateful that you're still this young in the first place. In 10 years of practice you'll be in your early 30s at best and have decades left in your life
>>2529765
Why is the animu girl so sad
>>2529728
You're not the type of person who should be giving anyone help then. If you help someone and wait for someone to pat you on the back you should first help yourself. Help when you feel like helping for the sake of others and not because you expect something in return, otherwise you'll make yourself miserable.
I assumed everyone was exaggerating when they said how pointless art school is. Granted this is only my second semester, and the classes I've taken are from a Community College, not an actual art college.
But geez, if the average semester class is ~180 hours total, I could've learned all that in 10 hours, if not less. Plus, I think I've only come out learning maybe a handful of actual useful info, which I could've found faster online if I was actually interested in those areas of art.
I get that they're just intro classes, but they were a complete waste of time lol
>Commissioner wants to learn how to draw, gets a tablet etc..
>Doesn't want to study the fundamentals, thinks he's above that boring shit.
> "I want to draw my character! I just want to know how to do this one thing, now could you just redline my picture?"
>Doesn't even have a hint of anatomical knowledge applied to it, I can't redline this shit. Requires a total redraw to work on any level.
>Tell him to go and study some pictures, watch art videos, look at references, read about art.
>He needs to learn stuff on his own first from those resources and my knowledge would be totally useless to him at this point.
>Throws a shitfit and basically thinks I'm calling him a retard, also takes critique very personally.
>Mfw
I think this is the very first time in my life I've failed with my people skills.
If this guy wasn't a paying customer, I'd tell him straight up to stop acting like an impatient moron and go and study on his own, I'm not wasting my time helping someone who's going to fail with 100% certainty.
But since this guy is pretty much ok and down to earth in every other way, not to mention a paying customer, I kinda want to help him with this.
How in the hell do you steer people like this in the right direction?
Or do these guys just have to experience failure in order to get this shit?
>be me
>draw some of the worst fetiches just for the money
>one day my dad come to my
>"son you need a real job"
>i tell him how i draw and i get 400 dollars in 2 weeks
>show him the money
>he´s fuckin proud
>he call mom
>"hey son show us that greatest art you do"
>mom is about to cry of happiness
>i show to my parents a draw of a girl with dick fuckin destroyin the pussy of her mom
>mom star to cry
>my dad fuckin slap my face and tellme to leave the house
and thats the story of how i create shadbase.
>>2529009
I wanna tear that ass up so hard. Teddy is nice too.
> Everyone and thier mother saying I'm "an amazing artist" when I know I'm just a step above a generic weeb artist.
> people request that I do realistic people. "It should be easy for you sonce you already know how to draw"
> people requesting me to draw an exact picture of spongebob or mickey mouse or other cartoons "Don't you want him doing something else?" "No, just that exact picture."
>>2529871
Such is the life of an artist. That's why you make them pay for your shit. If they don't they get fucking nothing.
>>2529859
Well done
>>2529827
I suppose that's one way to look at it. Another way is that it's just not worth helping people. There's very little to gain in giving anonymous strangers advice, and it is generally a waste of time (a well thought out post with links and clear examples can sometimes take a few minutes to make). The pros outweigh the cons.
Ba501ck to shitposting for me!
>>2529911
I hope you fail. I don't want people like you up here at the top.
yeah, here's what /ic/ taught me was important when i was 14
and here's what's actually relevant unless you enjoy wanking off over your own 'talent' 5 years later :^)))
>>2529718
I hear ya, It feels weird being a right winger in the art community.
>tfw oddball artist that likes to go shooting.
>>2529165
>Fundies only take around 40 hours of dedicated time
more like 40 whole weeks faggot
>>2529924
life's a fucking contest for you isn't it?
>>2529165
This is why you should always take advice here with a grain of salt.
At best you can get an introductory competence to the fundamentals in 40 hours, and you don't just 'move on from them after that'.
>>2529523
>>2529561
>>2529510
Are you guys serious? Do you realize how long you can drag 40 hours on by? Spending an hour a day on fundies would mean completing that 40 hr mark after almost 6 weeks. I'm not telling you to stop fundies practice all together, I'm telling you to not spend four years doing the exact same shit and saying "I'm gittin gud!".
>>2529561
pic related
>>2529989
no, life on /ic/ is / was, i am so much happier since leaving it.
>>2529312
I personally think anime shit is way better than western stuff right now, many of my favorite artists are japanese, and I like them due to their skill. Majority of the people i follow on twitter dont speak english, I barely speak japanese, but I admire their dedication and their ability to blend realistic anatomy and stylization.
Doing western art doesnt interest me, the western fan art scene gets more cancerous day by day, characters arent very inspired because western artists either try to emulate a show's style 100% or they have some generic tumblr looking style because theyre too lazy to apply themselves. Thankfully I know a few really great and talented western artists who are the exception.
The western art scene disgusted me, animation was almost non existent, in creative careers the most you could hope for is being a comicbook artist for generic superhero trash, a story board artist or concept artist for a videogame company, none of that seemed appealing to me.
But the idea of drawing smutty comics, getting a booth at an event and selling something you made and printed, interacting with the people who read it and giving people some joy in life is what really appealed to me most, I know I may never actually create my own doujinshi or have a booth at an event, but I still strive to improve my skills out of my love for the hobby.
But just because you are of a different nationality doesnt mean you cannot aspire to the "other"'s level of skill, and it doesnt mean you should conform to what is expected of your nationality. if you love it, then do it!
There is no "style" that is specific to a nationality, there were classical artists in the Americas who studied from Italian painters, Italian painters who studied from french painters, french painters who studied from russian painters, style and subject matter has no boarders.
>>2529765
>when i get the cold shoulder so often it makes me think that there's something wrong with me. and when you go out there online and post your work alone, if it just collects dust and you keep doing it, what are you doing? you're just leading your own charade. it's sad.
Theres literally an ocean of people drawing, its hard to find your place and its hard to get noticed, dont worry.
Theres this saying that "youtube content creators" have, its that you should "keep doing what you love, and work at it, and eventually people will start noticing" its when you start giving up that you fade into obscurity. You need to keep trying and keep improving, and you WILL get noticed.
If you desperately need promotion or validation, I suggest you start doing free deliveries for draw threads, fan art is a great way to get people interested in you. Porn is also a great way to get people interested in you and its incentive to improve your anatomy. Use your pen name a lot, but dont be heavy handed about shilling yourself, if your art is good enough people will ask for your details (blog, tumblr, pixiv whatever), if you keep participating in these types of social events people will pay attention to you.
If you are even more desperate, find a niche and make yourself known, do you have a specific fetish? are you really good at drawing a thing that isnt normally drawn? Its a way to make yourself stand out among others, but make sure not to get stuck in a rut, doing something like that is only to make yourself known and open the door for people to take interest in you.. I hope this helped.
>>2529765
post your blog?
so do you paint?
"that'd look so cool as a screen print man!"
illustrators/ screen print focused course pupils do me nut in i hate screen printing
>>2529915
:^)
>>2529871
>Anon is so good, tell them to draw something!
>Hey I got an idea draw this!
>You don't have a photographic memory so you have no clue what it exactly looks like so you have to wing it because they are right there and won't leave until you draw something
>Draw something terrible
>They now have this impression of a terrible drawing that you did without any research
>>2529009
Dayuuum grrl
>>2529002
Who painted this?
>>2529165
What "fundies"? If you think fundamental skills only take 40 hours, your choice as to what makes a fundamental skill must suck.
>>2528970
i hate fandom shit with passion. all you fucking kids do is submit 300 comments to ponies or anime but what about really talented shit "booring who cares i want kids cartoons" fuck that fuck you and i wish you had a knife in your back asap
>>2529835
Sounds like he needs feedback from sources other than you to tell him to git gud
> art friend giving me the boo hoos about how he's all shit at art and a total failure
> rarely see him practice
> he gets easily discouraged drawing and stops after not too long
> constantly comparing himself to other more successful artists
motherfucker i have to console you and shit because im your friend, but you make it so hard. stop comparing yourself to people whove been drawing for ten years longer than you have and just practice drawing. fuck!
I gotta run through the same pep talk every time, it's really wearing me down. just draw yourself a new self esteem already because my patience is running out
>>2530071
That is legit one of the coolest things I've seen here in months. Is it yours?
>>2528976
this
>>2529002
That sounds exactly like me. Wanna be friends?
>>2529079
So what you're saying is that brute force practicing isn't actually brute force? I've been thinking about that.
>>2529131
Hey, I have similar experiences. Maybe your parents could've done better, but now that you're an adult you can take responsibility for your life. Hang in there senpai!
>>2529871
>just that exact picture
my sides are in orbit, both from funny and the pain of recognition
>like comic book and storytelling
>most western shit is either generic, idiotic super hero trash or weird, "quirky" indie Tumblr-style trash
>gravitate towards manga because although far from perfect, it's not a stagnated medium like western comics
>people think I'm an animu faget because I like manga
I could just be ignorant of the better stuff out there though, but I'm tired of asking for recommendations
>>2529871
>"hurr durr can you draw me?"
Faggot don't you see I'm drawing simple anime shit because I'm not on that level yet?
>"wow you're so talented! can you draw this?"
YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME TO C O P Y THAT EXACT IMAGE WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK ALSO WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT THAT IF YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL PICTURE ANYWAY FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK THAT'S NOT HOW I SHOULD SHOW MY ARTISTIC SKILLS TO YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
boy I'm glad I haven't come out of the closet as a loomisexual like you idiots have. just lie and say you're a stay at home sysadmin or something, and if anyone ever asks you to do some geek squad bullshit say that's "not your expertise".
>>2530814
>implying manga is not a stagnated medium
LOL. Also what is Sturgeon's Law? Dumb weeb.
>>2529107
>if you are meeting artists off of 4chan, you are going to get backlash for disagreeing with anything they say.
You get the exact same on 4chan senpai.
>>2530814
That's why you just make your own style and fuck all the rest, what are you doing even considering falling in with one camp because it's the least shit to you? you can make your own camp.
>>2530033
Speaking as someone who has released doujins at events in Japan, the feeling is super great and you feel like you're on cloud-nine, buying/exchanging doujins with fellow doujin artists that did their work out of love instead of doing it for a quick buck like all the local "doujin" artists here.
Until you go home.
And remember you're all alone and will never belong into their circles. Probably due to the fact I can read/understand kanji but irl there's no kanji for me to read so I become a fucking idiot.
Sometimes I wonder if having one leg back into the western/tumblr fandom would help prevent that super lonely-feeling because my feed is all just moonrunes or gookspeak. But the fucking cancer man I can't deal with pretending I can put up with their shit
woah didn't realize there were so many master anime artists lurking on /ic/
DIGITAL ART IS NOT ART.
PLEASE GET OVER IT.
YOUR ABILITY TO PAINT SOMETHING DIGITALLY IS NOT IMPRESSIVE IN THE LEAST.
>>2532200
Post your impressive traditional work
>>2532200
At least I make more money than you :^)
>>2532200
Elucidate.
>>2528976
Working isnt drawing. I bet u never have worked before.
>>2532849
Please tell some japanese mangakas slaving away at their drawing boards day and night that they aren't "working"
>>2532851
But Anon, as you said - they aren't working, they are slaving for an unknown reason. It's not work, it's suicide extended in time.
>>2532851
They live for that and despues asia doesnt count.
A: "can you design me a tattoo"
B: "what did you have in mind"
A: "idk"
>>2529718
Ayy this is basically by biggest band with artkids. I'm not a part of the culture at all.
>meet efamous artist in rl
>after befriending her I found out she's the biggest, snobbiest cunt alive
> Bitches about her fans and other artists
> Mocked me and others for studying art, probably because she's salty she got rejected for art school
> Had to endure her constant call for whiteknights at the slightest sight of constructive critism
>Constantly whines about how women are opressed in the art industry while the most professional thing she has done is leech instagram for money.
>Done with this shit, break contact
> I can't help myself but to stay salty whenever I see her art
>>2533458
drop a name, not like you have a reason not to now
>>2533526
Yeah she doesn't really have that much of a reputation to keep up, she's just as shitty online nowadays.
>>2533530
I live for internet drama, especially with popular artists, so I'm curious, is there an archive of her shitty attitude or anything? I've seen mentions of her being an asshole but no evidence or anything.
>>2533534
Just give her some constructive critism senpai.
>>2533530
her art looks like a shitty loish copy
>>2533545
Oh wow, there's even a shit ton of mentions of her on /cgl/. Now I know what I'm gonna be reading during my break. Thanks, anon.
>>2533545
wtf that image gets almost 1k likes? how is she that popular?
>>2533545
oh man, she needs a heavy dose of d/ic/ks
>>2533530
some of her stuff looks okay but some of her mistakes are really off putting
>>2533561
Or just a heavy dose of dick.
>>2533564
pun was intended, ty for noticing
>>2533560
She has over 500k followers on instagram with her shitty Loish copies.
On top of that she's a raging feminist cunt.
>tfw This bitch got a commision offer by Blizzard and rejected it, and you're still here on /ic/.
Funfact:
I've met her when we both lived at the same psychic ward.
>>2533563
Personal favorite.
>>2533576
didn't someone do a fix of this?
>>2533563
Huh, never knew that. What book is that from?
>>2533590
full page
text reads "famous artists course" but I can't find the exact book or author
>>2533590
It's Loomis, not sure which of his books though
>>2533599
Famous Artists Course is a series of booklets covering a wide variety of topics that people would mail-order and then send in their assignments through the mail to have them graded.
It was designed by top illustrators of the day and was a collaboration between people like Rockwell, Dorne, Fawcett, Briggs etc. iirc
>>2533607
So it's not Loomis
>>2533629
No I think it's actually Albert Dorne
>>2533636
>$450 on Amazon
Damn
>>2533656
I've got all the files as pdf's. Not sure where I got it, but it is obviously available for free online if you look around.
>>2533665
Oh nice, got them. Despote being so old, it's pretty good.
>>2533667
Yeah the people who made it today aren't very well known, but in their time they were literally giants in the field of illustration. It's some of the best educational books for art around. It holds up really really well because it's all based on solid foundations and not tied up in styles of the time really.
>>2533575
>I've met her when we both lived at the same psychic ward.
>psychic ward
can you read minds now? I'll drop drawing if I can learn telekinesis instead.
Ebin git gud git gud fundies kekekeke
Nothing grabs my attention enough. Is there a book version of a git gud guide?
>>2533575
>when we both lived at the same psychiatric ward
story please
>>2533530
that's loish isn't it
>>2531884
>buying/exchanging doujins with fellow doujin artists that did their work out of love instead of doing it for a quick buck
Thats exactly what I mean! The idea of close interaction with artists and the people who've read your books, the event itself, and the feeling you get from selling something you've made is really a wonderful experience, much more appealing than the idea of doing storyboards or some nonsense.
>And remember you're all alone and will never belong into their circles.
I've been feeling this more than ever since I've started using twitter, it's awful.
Some artist starts talking about me, I have no idea what hes saying, I wanted to interact with him but my grasp of the language is almost non-existent. Lots of them seem to know english fairly well.
Its a depressing feeling for sure.
>Sometimes I wonder if having one leg back into the western/tumblr fandom would help prevent that super lonely-feeling because my feed is all just moonrunes or gookspeak.
Im not sure who you are, but there havent been many westerners who sell doujinshi at events so I think I might know.
Yes keeping one foot in the western art community IS helpful, since im sure those people are probably the majority of those dumping cash into your patreon or commissioning material.
I don't have a connection with the western art / tumblr scene because I find it very cancerous, since I mostly draw loli I keep a low-key presence in western circles or at least try to, and as a result I'm a lot less well-known than if I had actively tried to promote myself in western communities or drawn more mass-appealing genres of porn/fanart.
I'm weirdly stuck in the middle, I don't draw western shit so I'm not in the western "community", but not language-savvy enough to fit in 100% with the japanese community either, very lonely feeling.
why do my friends tell me im good when im not
>>2533984
>English is not my first language
I'm just messin' with you. I thought it was a funny mistype.
>Not much of a story besides that she was annoying as hell.
I'm more curious about how you ended up there, and how you got out. I'd like to hear your backstory.
>>2534068
it's like those 14 year old retarded kids playing videogames who suck absolute ass at them but think they are 'decen't just because every now and then they are matched up against even bigger, absurdly retarded idiots, whom they then demolish.
>>2533559
links plz
Making a living with this shit is fucking hell. All I do is work. I don't have time for anything or anyone else in my life.
I wish I never started
>>2533545
will I end up like this when I make it, /ic/? how do I prevent it?
>inb4 implying you will ever make it
>>2534325
Not if you have an ounce of humility and self-awareness.
>>2529009
>thick asians
HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>2534363
oh my god
>>2534363
>>2533802
>I've been feeling this more than ever since I've started using twitter, it's awful.
Yeah I used to try and interact and engage with artists I liked but now I just kind of occasionally like their stuff, don't even feel like posting art sometimes anymore.
>but there havent been many westerners who sell doujinshi at events so I think I might know
Well I draw mostly[spoiler]Touhou[/spoiler], and I can count the number of westerners that make doujins of that series with one hand....
>keep a low-key presence in western circles
This so much, every time I consider sharing my opinions or whatever I always see people calling the same subject problematic or whatever and I don't feel like posting anymore. In fact I used to not tweet in English on my twitter that people thought I was Japanese. (with my poor command of it and dictionary abuse)
People say just post whatever you want but at the end of the day they're going to collect everything you've posted and used it against you if they suddenly don't like any thing you've created.
[spoiler]Twitter handle?[/spoiler]
>>2529131
I relate to this a lot. I've even gotten into animation recently. Gonna buy a PC and tablet next month.
>>2533802
Season?
>>2534575
>Well I draw mostly Touhou
Oh, then my suspicions were wrong! Interesting. I'd love to see some of your artwork, im sure its a lot better than mine.
>Twitter handle?
I'm a bit apprehensive to post it. I'd rather not have what ive said ITT connected to me.
If youre brave post yours and ill send a message your way. I just started using twitter a while ago.
>>2534613
nope.
>>2529859
Working artist of /ic/ in a nutshell.
>>2529859
Shad has told his life story before and that doesn't line up. Fuck off, Malaysia
>>2534575
Though if you dont want to post your handle Im sure we can work something out.
>>2528970
this fucking board was ruined by shithead tripfag children and tumblr
i want my old /ic/ where a thread would stay on the front page for two days without a bump
>/ic/ was never good
YES IT WAS FUCK YOU REEEEEEEEEEE
>>2535050
#make/ic/greatagain
>>2535063
you're the problem you shithead.
post art or fuck off
>haha no you first neener neener
literal children
>>2531884
I know that feeling well anon. Too weeb for western fans, not Japanese enough for Japanese fans.
>>2535132
We all should form a circle
>>2535156
I want in.
>>2534068
If they're not artists, they think it's polite, and don't have the same spirit of self loathing and critique. If they're artists, they're either garbage and don't understand critique, or they're trying to be polite and they think you suck shit but can't take the criticism.
Exposure has been everything on my mind lately. I wish I could get into all the mainstream things like Steven Universe and Undertale and all that stuff since making fan art for it guarantees an audience, but it just seems like a pain if I'm not actually interested in it.
>>2535266
Senpai, you don't need to pander to losers. If you're good, they will come to you. Just keep doing what you do.
>>2535266
It doesn't have to be the hugest shit fandom, if you want to gain exposure through fanart, draw it for things you actually like.
>>2529095
>afraid someones going to ask to look at my sketch book
I tell people that I use it as a journal too and direct them towards my instagram instead.
>>2535276
But they would see me drawing them
>a random asks for requests multiple times
>finally give into one, even though uncomfortable with subject matter
>warn them it'll be done at a much later time because of actual work
>they keep asking about it
>>2535292
Yeah, >>2535268 has the best idea. I draw a lot of stuff for a fandom I love and it's such a pleasure actually having an investment in the subject and the people who appreciate work you actually enjoy.
I was a brony artist and fuck it was miserable. You draw the same shit over and over again and everytime it's filled with the same fucking comments, the RPers, ""critics"", people who demand art requests and straight up autists. Commission brings in decent money, but makes you feel terrible. Never going back again.
A tip for all of you, don't get to engaged or attached to a fandom. Your fans will think that they are your friends and shit only go downhill from there.
>draw shitty fanart
>Over 9000 favorites
>draw original and inspired piece
>No new messages
This is my life now
>>2535417
You have to draw at least 9000 originals to catch attention.
>>2535303
Just say no? Anon isn't paying so you shouldn't have to worry about hurting his feelings. Don't reward desperation
>>2534841
@bento_oreo Dropping off my side account here that I recently made to talk to myself because no one else I know wants to talk about doujin ;_; my main account is easy to find though I think.
>>2532849
>worked as a full time labourer and plasterer for two years
>braindead exhausting work
>still easier then drawing all day
>>2533556
is this bait m8
>>2535417
>draw shitty fanart
>9000 favs
>get cocky
>draw shitty OC
>no responses
git gud
>>2528970
Since I'm on antidepressants I just can't draw shit anymore.
Going off antidepressants would make me want to kill myself again.
>>2536212
>draw shitty fan art
>modest favs
>draw shitty oc from that same fandom
>modest faves
ur doing it wrong m8
I feel like I'm going insane trying to gitgud my head hurts my psyche hurts I feel like I'm about to kill my family and then kill myself
I know this isn't enough but it's about the most I can do right now
>>2532849
This, drawing is way harder.
>just finished something that pushed my limits
>suddenly on the verge of a depressive episode
>lose all confidence in drawing as usual
>above-past-limits drawing feels like it was done weeks ago
>all old stuff looks and feels like another, slightly better artist drew it
It's discouraging having to pick up the pencil again but admittedly, it feels better once I draw for a bit.
>>2529765
>when i get the cold shoulder so often it makes me think that there's something wrong with me. and when you go out there online and post your work alone, if it just collects dust and you keep doing it, what are you doing? you're just leading your own charade. it's sad.
>>2530454
i do this too
>want to do art as job
>no money
>have to get job
>skills degrade
>get mad
>quit drop
>rebuild skills
>no job
>art stil cant get me money
>get job
>dead on the inside
>>2539827
Learn to deal with it and pave the way to a better job.
>>2529131
I drew during most of my childhood. Did decent fanart in high school. Stopped because of low self-esteem and depression. Haven't drawn anything since I was 16 or 17. Started again at 24, and I'm complete shit even at 26. Despite being terrible (i've made massive improvements in comparison to how i was two years ago), I love it. I wish I had gone to art school when I was young, or at least stuck with drawing.
So, don't be that upset anon. If you keep at it, you can be a pro at 25 or 26.
>>2538592
This. I can see myself sinking because my art just gets worse. My ultimate best is during hypomanic episodes.
My school recently asked me to tutor this guy in anatomy because he's failing the course. Turns out he doesn't even know what the clavicle is much less muscle origin and insertion. I'm not the best student and I know this is "just" art school but for fucks sakes. Turns out there is a bunch of students like that in that class. Why waste money like this?
>>2540352
They think learning is passive and they'll magically succeed. Now you can either help them and create a success story or just fucking leave them for the dead because they are a helpless cause.
>>2539937
>is 26
>"when i was young"
This board is hilarious.
>born with a major physical disability
>enjoy drawing and want to be an artist
>everyone tells me how good i am at drawing
>teachers in school never critique my drawings like they do with other students
>realize i'm shit at art but people felt bad about critiquing me over something they saw as a hobby when i already had to live with being disabled
>post work almost exclusively anonymously these days so no one gives me the cripple pass
>Browse art blogs
>Always see that bullshit feelsy artchain post of artist self inserts hugging each other, always starting with the OP being self loathing
I fucking get it you're depressed like the rest of us and you feel for the other faggot just as depressed, get in line
>>2540436
post work please
>>2540436
yeah i`d like to see it too
inb4 never posts it
that disappoint
>>2540416
The "if you're older than 25 you're old and won't ever get good at art" meme is big here. Swear everyone is just looking for an excuse to fail
>>2540627
This.
Remember 80% of people on /ic/ suffer mood problems, depression or disappointment in life and are just trying to bring people down to their level.
>>2534363
why does she have to be a filthy gook, why is she not a qt russian gf wai-fu :(
The tastes of most people are shit, and in the commercial art world this encourages a lot of shit work (because it's what people are willing to buy). Fame is less about skill or originality and more about pandering and style. Skill is still recognized but often only implicitly. Explicit recognition is usually left to peers and teachers, but even in the artistic community skilled teachers and peers can be hard to come by. This makes it difficult for the average artist to get decent training or guidance (even if they pay for school) or the right type of encouragement from audiences.
>>2540522
Here's a pretty terrible drawing of a platypus I did before I started actually trying instead of just thinking I'm hot shit.
>>2540816
>tfw he's better than you
>>2540416
It's weird that older people break the balls of 20-somethings for feeling old when a generation ago, people that age were already getting married a popping out kids and it was totally normal. Not long ago, 20-something WAS basically old.
I posted some fairly well drawn vehicles, and my page says I take requests. The result?
>k, because i liked how you draw vehicles, specifically that bike, so i thought on an comic/sequence of me getting turned into one, and if you want more, another one of me becoming an buggy instead (i can think on more things too)
>>2530993
>Off of 4chan
>Outside of 4chan
That is what he meant
>>2529776
As a beginner myself, I'm obviously not very good and may be talking out of my ass, but I know what you're talking about.
I think I understand what it takes to gitgud despite this though, to me, it seems very straight forward: you draw, you make mistakes, you analyze your mistakes - this being the most important aspect. Most people who have been drawing for years and can't get past deviantart average level seem to be very bad at looking at their works critically, and this is why I actually believe that if you have this single thing, you WILL be able to draw anything well eventually (this actually applies to much more than drawing, obviously), and the only thing you actually need to do is draw a lot. - pick a problem to improve on, do you have the knowledge to solve it now? If yes, great, you simply focus on not doing that same mistake the next few times; is the problem one you can't seem to solve by simply thinking about it (anatomy issues, shadow management, form fundamentals or complicated forms)? There you go, you have found your next topic of study, and now you'll actually be studying something to fix something you were actually working on and want to get right.
Maybe what I said is not that coherent, but it basically means that I think that, while studying all the time is important, you can also learn a lot by making something you have fun with, even if you butcher it up completely, because then you can look at it and say "where did I fuck up, and why did I fuck up", and go from there.
(cont)
>>2541297
I myself seem to be always a bit anxious about actually drawing something that's not a study or something like that, and this is something I really want to fix. Drawing things you like is especially useful when you're studying the fundamentals, like tone and form, because it will simply give you the opportunity to either practice on subjects you might not be used to tackling in your studies, or even create a few more questions and doubts (which is a good thing), about how those fundamentals work.
It would be interesting to know if the pros who have been drawing for years feel or felt the same way as me, and I know that I'm a bit late to the party, but I think you should continue and have fun. Think of what you want to draw, and while you may not be drawing that every time, draw it sometimes to keep you on track.
>>2541064
>and my page says I take requests
Well, you kinda brought it on yourself.
>>2529859
10/10
>>2529002
Pretty much sums up my feels. I move around too so I'm fucked when it comes to having normie friends. Then I meet other artists who I chat to for a while but things sort of go quiet for a while. So I sperg out and literally never try to start conversations with them, or basically just go full lurker mode and stalk them forever.
Plus I'm stuck behind everyone by a good 5 years, so in terms of actually being friends outside of just art I'd want to hang with people in their late 20s who aren't doing the student life thing anymore but they're all at the top of their game and I'm just barely breaking in.
It's a complicated kind of feeling, I have no idea what to do with it.
>>2541741
I saw it coming, but still...
>>2530027
>Fundies only take around 40 hours of dedicated time, move on from them after that.
no motherfucker you said it only takes 40 hours to learn fundamentals and move on
>>2533530
They look like their melting into the background.
>>2533545
We need to make an encyclopedia dramatic article for this bitch.
>talking to new artist friend about different techniques and various ways of sketching
>other friend next to me is talking about another one of my close friend's art
>other friend said, "Me and anon's art syle aren't anything close to friend's art, its both of our styles combined! It's amazing, they make posters that look profressional and.."
>shit ton of arogant comments, "You're getting there...but I go for more polished,realistic stuff. You just draw anime."
>BITCH WHERE
I'm so livid but trying not to let it get to me.
>>2542879
>friends
GTFO NORMIE REEEEEEEEE
>>2529079
Could you clarify what you did in your old art class that was so helpful?
>>2529029
Goddamn, Snoop looks PISSED.
> That acquaintance who always makes those excuses
> "It's not suppose to be realistic"
> "Naruto does it"
> "Anime bodies are different from real bodies"
> "If I give her wider hips, she would look fat"
>>2543277
>acquaintances
normie ree
>>2529831
ok so you already spent your money , right? so see if you can use art school for some of it's off label uses. network your ass off and look for students as bored as you are to do collab projects with. hey you cot lemons make a crude electro-chemical battery
>>2532200
Troglodite
>>2543409
Should post lesson plan to /ic/ so we can git gud
>>2543409
Like I said, it's a community college not an actual art college. I've just been taking some art classes before I transfer to a "real" school. I've made some friends from class and got along with my art teachers, so I guess that can be good for "networking"
>>2543450
Honestly the lessons weren't that good in any of my art classes. Maybe one in my Design/color class was good. But you can learn more info online in a week than you can in a semester from these classes.
Pic related is the outline for my "Drawing Fundamentals" class.
>>2542850
They always look like their faces are melting.
Or infected.
>>2543733
Can you post those ballpoint drawings on the lower part of the page?
>parents complain about me not drawing enough and that i need to git gud if i'm gonna make a living out of it
>gets properly medicated for first time in life
>can suddenly draw like a motherfucker 6+ hours a day
>parents be like "you need to do other things than draw all day"
how the fuck do you think i'll make a living out of drawing if i'm only gonna draw for a few hours a week...
>>2544814
what meds are you on? Other anons in the same thread say that they can no longer draw anything since they got on meds.
>>2539830
This is /bitch/ not /advice/
Keep your stunning insights of clarity and rational that no one else could have ever thought of to yourself, faggot.
>>2544814
>meds
>letting you draw
>not blocking all creativity and output and turning you into a numb lump who at the very least finally isn't considering suicide every day
I call bullshit.
>>2544709
I would but part of me fears I could end up somehow knowing you from that class lol. Don't wanna have myself revealed. They weren't exactly good doodles anyways.
>>2544873
I'm no schoolie, but I feel you senpai. The linework I saw from the hair and the fact that you may be comfortable drawing directly in ink just boded well for the work in my mind.
>you post your art on twitter
>10 likes
>someone mention some famous idiot showing your art saying "check this out"
>don't mention you as the creator
>10k likes 5k retweets
Fuck my shit up familia
>>2544888
Stir up that idiot's feed.
Jk. Casually tweet him back to tell him to retweet your shit.
