Something you should know about critiques.
Critiques are only valuable if they are from someone with an understanding of art.
If not the critiques are worthless and often bad advice that will make your work even worse.
Never take critique from someone who's skills aren't equal to or greater than yours.
If you cannot realize yourself whether or not a critique is correct, regardless how good or bad the person is who gave it, then you are probably never going to make it. You lack the intelligence and critical thinking necessary for improvement.
>>2432251
not necessarily. any critique may be valuable to someone who is able to be mindful toward viewing their own work. perhaps if you're not capable of that, and therefore not capable of critiquing your own work to an extent, then only instructional critique from those more skilled than you will help.
but otherwise you should be able to glean valuable information from any feedback you may receive.
Does a guy need to be a chef to know if their food is too salty or too dry? Knowing the ins and out of the craft helps, but only having pedestrian knowledge of it doesn't completely invalidate the critique either. In the end, it's up to the individual's best judgement if they should take the critique given and how to apply it.
Also given the nature of /ic/, it would be impossible/impractical/against the spirit of the board to constantly be toting around credentials in order to validate what we have to say.
>>2432251
That only applies to redlines. You don't need to be a professional artist to be able to see if something is out of proportion or out of perspective.
>>2432251
You started this thread because you're assblasted because someone sent you to the beginner thread or sticky.
By your logic, an artist better than you should disregard this advice. If there exists an artist better than you, this advice loses its validity.
If I am better than you, then critiques of my work may be valid whether or not the critic is of superior skill. And in such a case that the critic is even worse than you, thus worse than I, since his critique is valid for my work, it must be also valid for your inferior work.
So let us find out. Post your work and support your claim. Are you better than Cecelia Beaux? If not, accept your flaws and go practice instead of shitposting.
>>2432266
Someone who isn't familiar with cooking can say
"This doesn't taste right"
But if they aren't very experienced with cooking they wont be able to say why unless its painfully obvious.
>>2432276
>You started this thread because you're assblasted because someone sent you to the beginner thread or sticky.
Nice imagination. I can see why you are attracted to art.
>>2432266
This looks really good. More like this?
>>2432290
Thanks, and nice deflection! I can se why you're attracted to lowering the level of general discourse.
>>2432299
Drawing badly drawn manga and being proud of it makes you a man child not an artist.
>>2432251
99.99% of the crits on this board are absolutely worthless. It's hilarious.
Also that girl has no ass. Poor thing.
>>2432266
you're a fucking idiot you know that right?
Do you think cooking is near the complexity of art? Seriously.
I fucking hate people so god damn much. How is it possible to be that fucking retarded?
>>2432334
you seem really upset. like, really upset.
>>2432331
Agreed.
>>2432251
That's actually a logical fallacy. It's as if both me and a math professor explained that 2+2 is 4. I would be wrong because I suck at math, but the professor is right, but we both said the same thing.
It's as if disguising yourself as someone respected on /ic/ changes the veracity inherent in the critique you give. It suddenly becomes true.
Accepting or rejecting critique based simply on authority can be fallacious, and no one is saying that you should take all critique posted here to heart.
So, judge all critique as it is written, and not by whom it is written.
>>2432617
art is more complex than 2+2. It's more like a complicated and intricate formula, that you know a math professor will probably understand, but your average joe who is NOT a maths professor wouldn't. why would you trust him then? You would not, plain and simple. And rightfully so.
>>2432620
ofc it's more complex, I was just simplifying the principle, which still stands; no matter the complexity of the argument made, it is still, either completely or in part, true or false, and that doesn't magically change depending on who the words are coming from.
>>2432251
I think knowing when a critique is worth considering is also an art skill.
>>2432251
This feels like an excuse to not take criticism. Don't you want to get better?
You should apply critical thinking to every critique but even someone who can't draw can tell you things like the arm is too long, the face is too wonky, the pose is stiff etc. You don't need to be able to draw to be able to point a lot of things out.
Humble yourself a bit and be grateful that someone took the time to critique your work.
>>2432624
>logical fallacy
I think you know this, but you need to be reminded that there is a difference between logic and advice.
If I told you that you should never cross the road without looking, you would sound like an idiot if you claim that statement is a "logical fallacy" because it isn't true 100% of the time.
I used to have my comic book portfolio reviewed. Worst review I ever got was from a writer. Best was from an artist that drew stuff to teach me.
>>2432620
>but your average joe who is NOT a maths professor wouldn't. why would you trust him then? You would not, plain and simple.
You really don't get it, do you? Critiques are not a blind jump of faith, regardless who gives them. You're NOT supposed to just blindly trust anyone without using your fucking brain first and thinking about what they said.If you cannot distinguish a good critique from a bad one on your own accord and your only way to judge the worth of a critique is based on who gave it, you are absolutely hopeless as far as making it as an artist is concerned.
>>2432658
"you should never cross a road without looking" is not a logical statement you degenerate mong
How do we know you're good enough that we should take your advice to only take advice from people who are good enough
Checkmate OP
>>2433849
this
>>2432334
>Do you think cooking is near the complexity of art?
ha! I can tell someone's never worked line at a place better then applebees. well m8, if cooking isn't as complex as art, then you should go become a chef. They make good money, you know. More in demand then artists too. Sure, it can be stressful, but there's less self-hate and more other-hate, which you seem to have a knack for.
Tongue out of cheek now, you're not necessarily wrong, but you're looking at it from the wrong angle. A normie can't appreciate great food because they're used to canned peas and box mac. It happens all the time. You have to train your palate to appreciate good food, just like art. An inexperienced chef can learn a few tricks and impress normies, just like artists. That doesn't mean a normie-foodie can't offer something of value via crit. Same as normie-artist. That's the comparison here, and it's valid.
Also, art isn't that damn complicated. The work that goes into art can be complicated, but the end result rarely is. That's the whole point, condense a bunch of complicated shit into something that is powerful, yet seemingly simple. You think Dega is so good because his shit is complicated? Fuck no, he masterfully uses the medium to make something easily digestible for the normies. That's why art is so great. It's so damn accessible. Just like food. You need to read up some on cooking and baking. There's a whole world of crazy in there that you apparently have no appreciation for.
Only a retard takes (or rejects) every critique he's given without consideration. It's up to you to analyze what critiques are worthwhile to you.
Inexperienced artists / non-artists can spot flaws just fine, they usually just can't put it into words. They might go "the ribs look weird" and shit like that. And if the ribs look weird to a person who hasn't actually studied anatomy, it might be fucking worth checking to make sure. But that doesn't mean automatically fixing the ribs if you're confident they're correct.
>>2432251
>Never take critique from someone who's skills aren't equal to or greater than yours.
KEK
Ok m8, you do that. The rest of us who aren't stupid or arrogant enough to think this will be out there gitten guud.
If you want to make a living with your art, you need to have appealing art. Aka art that appeals to the masses. The masses are normies. If you ignore normie input, you're just shooting yourself in the foot. The markets are always right.
Lifetip; Inspiration and insight can come from anywhere. If you ignore those 'under' you, you miss out on a world of learning opportunities and are only limiting yourself. Looking at the world like this also turns you into an insufferable dbag who believes they're better then other people for some bullshit reason.
Also, if you're judging someone's skills against your own before you consider the validity of their crit, you're doing it wrong on so many levels. That is no way to treat crits. Get your head out of your ass.
I will agree that you should be mindful when reading crits. Consider everything you read carefully, but discard advice that seems completely off base. Think about it carefully, but discard it if it won't serve your work.
>>2432266
Sounds like OP is salty
I bet someone told him to loomis when he showed off his masterpiece furry/sonic porn where his oc takes off sonics diaper and slurps up the shit
>>2432266
Just telling someone their food tastes shit doesn't help them improve. Someone posting their art for critique probably already knows there's something wrong about it, but they may not know what exactly they need to do to improve it. You need to be able to at least point out which specific part of a drawing is wrong - to an experienced artist that's usually useful enough critique.
A beginner also needs to be told why that part is wrong, though, and what he needs to do to fix it and that doesn't need he's "not going to make it".
>>2432334
"smoked bacon-and-egg ice cream and cauliflower risotto accented with chocolate jelly"
Yep, no complexity or artfulness in cooking at all. Pic related was make in an easy bake oven.
>>all of a sudden multiple threads popping up with the exact same topic and wording as OPs one
Try being a little less obvious OP
>>2433839
>not a logical statement you degenerate mong
You did it again.
You use logic to win every argument, but it makes you look dumb cause your missing the validity of your opponents argument by trading it for a cheap logical point that does nothing but make you feel like you won, while in reality you missed out on helpful information just to win an argument. /slap
>>2432334
A critique can be very simple yet still correct, no matter how complex the subject itself can be. When you are at the level where the only critiques that help you would be about highly complex techniques and theories, then you'd be good enough that you don't need critiques in the first place. You however are at a level where people will point out that you suck at basic funamental shit and anyone can do that regardless how good or bad they are at art.
>>2432251
>never take critique from someone who has never directed a movie
>never take critique from someone who isn't a renowned chef
>never take critique from someone who isn't a producer
>never take critique from someone who isn't a session musician
I can guarantee you're an over sensitive and narcissistic turd
>>2434316
>you shouldn't use logic to argue
nice meme
>>2435079
>nice meme
nice comprehension
