They should burn all these kinds of books they cause to much damage to new age artists
The damage is allready done, and it would be no good if they didn't also burn all the people in jewtube making tutorials of things they don't know how to draw in the first place
>>2432023
If people can't tell just by looking that the author of this abomination can't draw for shit, then they never had a chance to begin with
>>2432054
this.
The "artist" who shat out pic related has crawled all up his own asshole and is pretending to be an art teacher and makes all kinds of shitty tutorials. And people eat all his shit up like it's fondue or something.
>>2432130
>>2432023
Heh i had that exact book growing up.
Learned nothing from it, exept maybe some very basic down syndrome eyes.
It basically does no damage because it dosn't teach you anything anyway.
>not using this to your advantage
you'll stand out even as being average as you are, it's better than having no fundamental knowledge in drawing at all.
Real artists don't do crappy kid like anime cartoon drawings.
If you want to be a manga artist make self published manga book and start from the fundamentals.
Also whatever you do don't listen to the weeb advice on /ic/
9/10 they don't know what they are talking about.
>>2432130
holy shit.
>work in fabric store
>somehow a copy of a Chris Hart book ends up in our shipment
>hide it every time it makes its way to the front of the shelf
>working register one day
>woman comes up with a stack of sewing books
>this abomination is on the bottom
>do I tell her? What if she gives it to a son or daughter who really wants to start drawing?
>but what if she's just buying it for someone with only a passing interest and it's not my place to intervene?
>hesitate and stall for a good 2 minutes.
>"Here's your receipt, have a nice evening"
>regret it every day
>>2432023
Reminder that the author was a 16 year old lesbian desu.
Has a deviantart: bloodyxtears (WARNING: Full of edge)
Also has a site where we can also see fuck all progress from this bitch. In fact she took a step BACKWARDS from the book.
>>2432254
>weeb advice 9/10 is wrong
I think you mean 99/100 times /ic/ advice in general is wrong.
>>2432262
Looks to me like it tries to teach construction. Maybe not well but somebody might get something out of it.
>>2432270
How the fuck did she get a book published, then?
>>2432262
These shitty books are a good start anon.
They at least kick start an interest.
>>2432130
sweet, a new generation of delusional, shit artists
>>2432275
Scholastic publishes anything that "looks" good to them. Coope even got a second book published about drawing the same shit.
>tfw having been exposed to 16 yr old shit before finding based Loomis
>>2432321
FUCK
I'm not usually pro book burning, but this has done more harm than good.
Here's some of her latest stuff
http://ktcoope.com/made/bridgewater-promos
It's improved, but it's not good, and given the amount of time that's passed she's probably stuck in bad habits. The main take away that I've received from this person is to choose your teachers wisely.
Also reader reviews to show the main target audience:
>"its so good!!!it taught me how to draw so much manga!!!!!!!!!now i can draw inuyasha and samuri x in less than 10 minutes!!!!!!its so helpfull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to-draw-manga-katy-coope/1005147961
:/
>>2432130
the thumbnail reads nicely, he at the very least has decent composition skills. But holy fuck do I regret opening that image.
>>2432321
>Scholastic publishes anything that "looks" good to them
Does that mean that I can make my own "How to Draw Anime" book and then rake in the cash?
>>2432339
Anime isn't en vogue anymore.
How to draw cartoons and capeshit is the new hotness.
>>2432130
but /ic/ loves Jazza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB2wVmAM4YI
>>2432270
Oh GOD that art is disgusting. And the grammar is even worse.
>>2432262
I've been studying a book like this for the past two months. What should I be doing instead?
>>2432369
This book or a book like it? Books like this aren't a problem for a hobbyist. The author of this one in particular is notoriously bad at drawing though.
I think Michael Hampton is a good start if you're serious about figure drawing. He lays things out pretty clearly for beginners.
>>2432305
I don't see a mayor problem... Less competition in the future :^)
>>2432172
it can solidify a bad habit, this is good enough.
>>2432324
as long as that isn't a comic book, they could have just skimped on the artist... remember scholastic is for i think 7th grade and younger... at least that's the last time i got a flyer for their books in school.
>>2432130
jezza is an animator, when he is talking about animation its usually a fuckload more helpful then the drawing shit.
>>2432327
honestly, its not completely fucking horrible, you can see potential of getting better some day, may not gravitate toward realism, but will still get better.
--------------------------------
just for everyone in the thread, that book isn't completely fucking anyone who wants to get better over, the first thing you need to have if you want to art is a critical eye, if you honest to god cant see something is wrong with your art, you will not get better no matter what you learn from.
>>2432363
>>2432130
>>2432023
If they eliminate competition I'm all for it
>>2432330
Nah it doesn't even have that going for it. The composition looks like a TT shape instead of moving the eye organically around the picture. The two chicks are straight up and down, the only hot spot is dead center and the color creates a straight horizontal line dead center too. It's all around bad.
Here's some cringe I produced while on this book long long ago, after borrowing it from a library. Saved for nostalgia.
>>2432534
this
There are good books to teach that and there are bad ones
A good one is the how to draw manga series by the society for the study of manga techniques
If you ever need an antomy reference book, the how to draw anatomy one is excellent, its life drawing with proper muscle construction, ect that shows you how to equate a manga anatomy to real anatomy
I had that book when I was a kid, kek
>>2432910
u dont start with mango u baboon
>>2432023
Why is it so fucking hard to remember that eyes go in the middle. It's basic shit
>>2432270
WHAT THE FUCK
>>2432023
When was this book even made? And when has anime looked like this?
>>2432023
I got this book at my schools book fair when I was 13, the lady at the counter said "oh, is this Yu-Gi-Oh?" and I said, "No".
Good times
I remember when my grade school got new books and we got a how to draw manga one (albeit shitty).
Known as the drawing kid, the librarian tried to recommend it to me and I flat out said no. MRW the other kids actually borrowed it and actually followed it. I wanted to tell them that it was shit but since I was shitty myself I couldn't find a way to come out with an argument so I gave up.
Good times, good times.
>>2432339
No, you don't suck enough.
>>2432270
Lazy troll account. A real one would have more than 6 pictures, and those are shittier than even Katy Coope would manage.
I always imagined that book was published because she was the publishers daughter. Or that she had terminal cancer and her Make A Wish was to publish a how to draw manga book.
>>2436394
Jesus fucking christ
>>2432270
> Current Residence: my house lol
>>2432561
Ah yes, the classic knee Armour that makes no logistical sense but is there because I'm not sure how to draw kneecaps. Many a drawing of mine past has been afflicted with thee
I once bought a "how to draw manga" book. The cover had a kawaii girl. When I brought it home to read, the entire book taught how to draw realistical things, and it always said that you should firstly learn how things are in reality, to move to stylization.
The OP pic is pure shit though
>>2436404
She looks like Bobby from King Of The Hill on the top pic.
>>2432330
Wtf, anon, the thumbnail looks like it's a collage of two different drawings, too much black, saturated colors, it's all around terrible.
>>2437077
the right kind of bait
which one was it?
What's /ic/'s opinion on this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ef_uyqHHfw
>>2440349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjJb6DMlJ1Y
Greatest artist ever.
>>2432128
They are aimed towards children with the purpose to draw for fun. And they accomplish that goal way too good. I can't count all my friends from middle school who's interest in drawing got completely ruined by those books.
>>2432561
12/10 Malaysians
>>2436404
>>2436402
>>2436400
>>2436394
How the fuck did this get published?
You guys are just jealous they are getting something done with their shitty art while you keep on polishing your skills on a neverending quest, never amounting to anything.
>>2436406
i love how the diference in between step 2 and 3 is detail on the ear and making him mad
>>2441096
true
>>2436400
>>2436394
>>2436404
A few years back there had been a tumblr post going around and everyone was laughing at these exact pages. I reblogged it, and the next day I get a very angry note on deviantart from the artist demanding I take down my post, how dare I mock him, that he was going to sue me for slander (I think he thought I made the original post).
I didn't really know what to say back because A) he didn't see his drawings as total dogshit, and B) he was so out of touch with social media he didn't know how it worked.
>>2432130
this image is bait, r-right
>>2432130
While he's not great at either, Jazza is certainly a better animator than he is a painter, this is not uncommon. He's still relatively young and I hope he improves in both regards. Even with that said, he's still better than 76.3% of /ic/.
>>2441876
>Draw like shit
>teach ppl
this meme needs to stop srsly
>>2440341
http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Draw-Manga-Volume-Graphic-Sha/dp/4766112385
Annoyingly there are no examples of the books pages as the front cover is very, very deceptive as to its contents
>>2442878
It's what this board is build on, anon.
I had this shit. It's not as bad as that other manga book, but i still regret buying it.
>>2432262
That fucking book started me off, but I should have started with a better one.
>>2432270
Normally, I like lulz, but if you actually do a bit of Googling, her site is actually here...http://ktcoope.com/
Learn to verify lulz so that you don't get duped by unauthentic claims.
...also, I think the stuff from 2012-2015 is an improvement from those books, but I'm still not particularly impressed.
>>2436402
I think I have this book
I'll see if I can find it, might've thrown it out a couple of years ago
>>2443329
>http://ktcoope.com/
>logo has chromab abuse
>>2432130
Men in drag with volleyball sized fake boobs
>>2432324
I-I don't know anymore
>>2443419
Last time I checked, /gd/ and /ic/ are different things, and a lot of illustrators are bad at design, and vice versa...so, I don't see why you're judging her logo if you're trying to get a grasp on her current drawing level.
>>2432023
I probably wouldn't be posting in this thread if it wasn't for that book. I don't care if it's a horrible piece of shit, it did the groundwork for my future interest in drawing
>>2436394
"Ariel is a simple soul"
>>2444981
this guy can't be-
now that I remember CWC exists it's not impossible that this is real
That's not nearly as bad as the massive amount of artists on DevArt who are "passable" enough to make people think they are good, and go on teaching things that they lack no understanding of whatsoever.
Pic related can clearly draw a form but doesn't understand anything about how to light a face. There's no reason the nose should ever look like that. It's like they removed the person's nosebone. I don't understand how they can't see how this doesn't make sense, and they do it with all of their faces.
>>2445431
It's almost like that artists knows shadows exists but doesn't know how they're created. Weird.
>>2444981
oh god why
>>2436394
Laughed so hard I've awaken my roomates.
>>2436402
How can I lose every fucking time?
>>2445088
Enjoy unlearning your bad foundations. Extra points if you haven't realized what bad habits you have.
>>2445431
>but doesn't understand anything about how to light a face
Thats clearly just his own style, probably a side-effect of the tumblr nose disease. It looks really bad but its stylistic choice, not a misinfo tutorial.
>>2444988
She's describing all her work as "design" tbf
>>2445507
>for my future interest in drawing
>interest
Nothing that I learned from this book back then actually stuck with me.
Don't give this to an aspiring 15 year old, that'll just ruin him. But like a 10 year old who wants to dabble with drawing? sure why not. Not like you can give a fucking Loomis to a kid and expect it not to kill all of his passion.
>>2432023
I think if a kid is dumb enough to buy a book with that cover, they already lack the basic ability to see that is required to become a decent artist.
>>2445703
Taste isn't present right out of the womb, senpai. Not every 7 year old will have the luck to stumble across the good shit marketed towards him like HTDCTMW or something. What was your taste like back then?
>>2445711
7? Most people who get those books are in their tweens or early teens.
>>2436400
>>2436404
>>2436402
>>2436406
Keked
>>2445747
Just spat out an age, sorry senpai. Still, shit taste persists through that age range as well.
>>2443394
oh boy, it's even in dutch
I got a shitload of Japanese "how to draw manga" books 12 or 13 years ago. I never really used them, so they look almost new. Wonder if I should simply give them away.
They're actually not that bad, and compared to the shit in this thread, they're amazing.
>>2445757
This is popular kid, made obvious by his sparkling eyes and terrible fucking haircut
>>2445760
Here we have strong general. Strong enough to reject the rest of the book's artstyle and go for a more stereotypical western approach
>>2445766
>>2445758
Found 'em. I actually have 9. It's weird to see how much the style has changed since the 90s.
>>2445767
Mecha-soldier. He reminds me of something, a certain resemblance...
>>2432023
oh god I used to own that a long time ago
lateron borrowed it somebody and never got it back
one of the rare moments where you enjoy not getting your borrowed stuff back, good riddance
>>2445770
More original content, do not steal!
>>2445772
Because drawing feet is... Hart!
>>2445775
well dont stop now
Holy shit /ic/, this whole "burn degenerate shit" thing needs to stop.
I swear everytime I am here there will be someone crying about what the "next generation" has for sources and how said sources are disgusting and "damaging".
What you fucks keep on forgetting while sucking Loomis his dick, is that this shit actually motivates people to DRAW. That's the first step to this shit, and it isn't rocket science.
Be fucking glad that there are at least some people willing to help others, while you lazy fucks just ramble on about how it is "poisoning" the newest generation artist. If some of them truly wants to become better, they will do more research on things and get more resources to improve their skill.
If you feel this much up your ass about it, go do it yourself then. The least you could fucking do is giving some comprehensible feedback on the first awful furry drawing you see on deviantart, only without being a dick.
Else, stop crying about shit that doesn't concerns you NOR should concern you.
>>2445893
TL;DR
>>2445775
hot amputee, would rub nub
>>2445893
Katy Coope is that you? You've single handedly destroyed a bunch of newcoming upstarts. Hats off to you!
>>2445666
Again, that's probably the lack of a formal education. Only a dipshit wouldn't know that design and illustration are different things, but they're different skill sets, even if the person doesn't comprehend it.
>>2445893
It gets them started and then has them take a hammer, break their hand, and take 50 steps backwards. "But it's a start!" you say, as the explosion destroys the shed you built out of rotting pallet wood.
>>2446029
>as the explosion destroys the shed you built out of rotting pallet wood.
P O E T R Y
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How to draw manga books from Japan teach fundamentals like proportions, perspective, anatomy, etc. If this thread is still up when I get back to Japan I'll post some pics.
>>2446063
You mean the HTDMs with the specific font and an assload of numbered releases? The worst you can say about those is that they pay lip service to fundies rather than going into much detail. Added up it'd be a similar resource to Famous Arists course cartooning book thing.
>>2446063
would appreciate.
>>2446063
I wonder if japan has similar garbage resources like how to draw capeshit or something.
So are there any actually good books on drawing manga?
>>2446524
A book series literally called "how to draw manga". Most libraries have them. They're translated from Japanese.
>>2446524
Nothing is going to be as good in my opinion, as looking at design works of series/art styles you enjoy, and seeing how they work out their sketches, and proportion. Literally copying or tracing the best of your abilities.
>>2446571
Yeah but I thought at least one of the great mangaka would think of making a book on drawing but I can't find anything.
>>2436671
>>2432363
Do they?
>>2436402
Holy crap, I think I owned this one
>>2445635
Tumblr nose disease?
>>2446697
They're referring to stereotypical tumblr art, which usually contains an overly-red, fat nose with no bridge. Like this.
>>2446718
That's a nose? Looks like a cyst.
>>2446730
you can literally paste that nose onto anything and it'll be tumblr-qualified
>>2446736
Fix this, tough guy.
>>2446697
>being this new to Life
>>2446697
>>2446697
>being that new
>>2446697
>being new like that
>>2446744
The first one is also typical of tumblr. The broken, exaggerated angle of the 3/4 view is a very common trait.
>>2446747
They look like fucking One Piece characters now.
>>2432023
I had that exact book in 5th grade.
And I went on to buy 3 more of these shits and it put me so far back behind people that actually could draw for shit and looking back on it I just now realized that my dad bought me an entire pack of copic markers to try to support me
I am so so sorry father
So many pentagon-head deviantart-eye shit drawings.
>>2446763
That was nice of your Dad! not all parents are supportive. The books you posted look better than Katy Coope(?) OPs books.
Out of curiosity I went to Christopher Harts site to look at his art...this was posted yesterday.
>>2446871
It looks like the work of an exceedingly mediocre /ic/ beginner thread denizen. How long has he been drawing, again?
>>2446930
Uncertain, he seems to be around for ages. On his website it says
>Chris studied art at the California School of the Arts, Paier School of Art, and the Silvermine School of Art. He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts from New York University.
I am not from the States, but that is a lot of art qualifications no? Also notice that he calls himself an author mainly.
>>2446952
Having studied at those many places but only has a single BA?
>>2446745
WHY!? Holy shit that's disgusting
>>2446745
>>2443096
I have many of those in PDF!
It was also a Japan expo near my house and they were selling them! Shit m8.
Those books aren't that great, but they have references to the Loomis method and such.
I bought a couple of japanese Microns there...
>>2447477
>always wanted those books as a kid but they disappeared into the the ether and are now forever lost to time
is there something you'd like to share, anon?
>>2447190
everytime
>>2447521
There's a torrent, might actually be on public trackers.
>>2432023
The result of these books
>>2448757
> Copy pastes eyes but doesn't invert them
> Somehow put the eyes in face foreward position.
Do people some really lack quality control ?
Is there an amusia of art ?
>>2448893
Holy shit I didn't even notice the eye was copy pasted when I posted it, fuck I'm dumb, I think the shine being top left made it read ok to my pleb eyes.
Different anon from the one that posted before, but I have about 3 Dutch how to draw manga books from the same publisher, most of them involve way less Chris Hart then that one at least, but it's still not great.
>>2448915
It's not pure copy paste, but it seems like he just dragged and dropped most of it.
Also shitty color choices. Everything's either pink or muddy pink.
I've still recovering from the damage.
The only redeeming factor of this book was not all the art work was by Christopher Hart.
Actually just went through this book yesterday after finding it in a stack of old sketch books , laughed for a solid 15 minutes, then cried myself to sleep.
>>2449129
>I've still recovering from the damage
I'm*
I think it's gotten worse.
![61S%2BtCGBuAL._SX387_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RAiQWKA.jpg "61S%2BtCGBuAL._SX387_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg")
>>2432023
$40 of my hard earned money down the shitter
Fighter girl was a qt though.
>>2432130
Goodness I hate Jazza's art and animation. People should be studying cartooning books from the '40s and '50s (or basically anything from before the '70s) instead of these Youtube gurus.
>>2432262
I mean...My first was a "How to draw bishies" book by him (yeah. fucking kill me lmfao. i was a 13 year old girl what do you expect?) and if I hadn't slacked off and not drawn for a few years because of depression I would be even better than I am now, and i"m not that bad. I grew out of anime and started studying more so there's hope.
I think if it's for young kids it's not a big deal cause i got tons of "How to draw cats" books and shit and a lot of them were kinda...symboly?
>>2449273
>cutting edge fusion
>american influenced by manga
JUST
Books are just cheap ways for already rich(yet untalented) artists to make more money off of teenagers.
If you're not studying the sub-genre of art you like and trying to replicate their style...
You're failing at becoming an artist.
>>2449273
>Fighter girl was a qt though.
Post?
there's obviously a market for 'how to draw manga' books.
why isn't there a, 'how to translate anatomy and life drawing into manga stylized figure drawing', book?
>>2449949
They're are...in Japan.
Japan also boast a great selection of reference picture books for mangaka that include poses and angle shots. A lot of them have a theme (school girls, two guys, two girls, fighters, office ladies) and they look immensely helpful. Also there's that How To Draw Manga series from the 90s that's been translated and brought to the US.
When I was younger I used to own the entire collection. I literally went to the bookstore and special ordered what wasn't in stock. I feel like a damn idiot for giving them all away to my friend when I went to the military. To this day they call me to ask when I want them back. They're still pretty helpful.
They have a lot of good advice about manga specific tools like tone and dip pens. It kinda went over my head as a kid but now I wouldn't mind having those resources at hand.
I notice that a lot of the current How To Draw Manga books coming from Japan are moeshit.
>>2449949
'Cause that would be difficult.
but it's a scholastic book, that makes it better than what /ic/ tells you
>>2452463
Not that HTDM shill from earlier in the thread, but the first few How to Draw Mango books what with the specific font are similar to FACC if you're too much of a weeb faggot to enjoy western cartoons.
>>2449949
Because bookstores sell shit when it comes to every topic. You need to find speciality stores for manga/comic or go straight to the source (japan.)
>>2432324
If shit like this can get published then I should go into make children's books too. How hard is it to get something published by Scholastic any way? Obviously it has to be atleast PG rated
Are there any GOOD how to draw manga books???
>>2456742
Nope, manga on itself is too cancerous.
This book is shit and it damaged me so much.
Fuck you David Chelsea and fuck you Scott McCloud for shilling your hack buddy's book.
This guy had the nerve of writing a perspective book when he clearly never used any of the methods he explains. Made some research and it turns out this asshole's process is based on tracing 3D models and porn.
>>2449516
Can't believe I still have it after almost 10 years.
And I didn't learn a thing.
>>2456825
Shit like this makes me realize I could totally sell a tutorial book right now and I'm shit.
>start drawing
>get "how to draw birds" book because why not
>every diagram is the same
>draw these circles
>draw the rest of the bird
thought it was just a meme
>>2456825
I will believe that the clunky diamond thing is a zipper pull, and maybe, maybe, also a fastener. But I refuse to believe there is a technology that would make it possible for a zipper to be realistically defined with only two lines. Especially if pulling it two inches up your chest suddenly makes your sleeves and waist tighter. Suspension of disbelief terminated. Goddamn, don't make specific panels on how the clothes are constructed if you don't understand yourself.
Also, how is this a fusion of anything? Shit's moe as fuck.
>>2445893
>willing to help others
>the same as making money out of their ignorance
0/10
Is every one of these manga books shit?
>>2459503
The Sketching Manga Style series is technically good, but it's still pushing you towars that kind of 80s mango style.
There's no reason to pick it up over an actual anatomy book, but there are tips on linework and props that are nice to read about.
Also this series is pretty good regarding balloons, inking et cetera.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3lmfhBXFo0qVefpRkL9Bxw/videos
Yes the intro and format are absolutely cringe but the content is valid, most of the time.
>>2432023
i got one of these once, it was pretty shit and im glad i was too lazy to actually read it.
Where is an actually good place to learn to draw in the manga style though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYaNos86ud8
>>2456742
What do you even mean with good? Pro in 21 days? doesn't exist.
>>2459533
and the 80s of drawing tools.
It makes me always cringe if people still use the same stuff from ages ago.
Aside the style (as a beginner, if you are serious you should be happy with any style as long as you can make manga and train) the tools are what is most annoying. It's a waste of money.
>>2459816
Yeah I was making an argument against traditional in another thread. And that's coming from someone who does everything traditionally.
>>2459849
Well, I wouldn't go that far. I think I can do much better with pencil+ink than digital and I wouldn't be surprised if this holds true for other people. The only problem I have with these books is that they show outdated traditional tools, not that traditional tools are outdated.
