Why aren't you making bank drawing weird yaoi?
Because I'm not good enough AND I wouldn't if I was.
Saki caught lightning in a bottle, good for her, that ain't me, nigga.
>>2337731
Is there even a market for yaoi?
>>2337740
bro...
Wait, so someone to the level of him/her https://www.patreon.com/mistiqarts?ty=h (not trying to witch hunt or anything, I'm not even juding, it's just an example) gets 500 bucks per month thanks to that website?
Are there a lot of people over /ic/ using it? It just seems way too easy.
>>2337740
dont be retarded anon
>>2337754
It only seems easy because you only come across successful examples. There's tons and tons of people who try to make it big on patreon and get like $4 per month.
>>2337758
I suppose you're right. It feels like you need to put as much work in "getting liked" and "pleasing people" as in your actual drawings to make it.
I rather hate all this hypocrisy and boot-licking but if it's for money I'd be willing to make that effort I think. Seems worth it.
I get like $300 from my patreon a month. I could make more but severe depression pretty much ruins everything for me
>>2337771
hope you get better bro
i know the feels.
>>2337731
Because I'm not about to make a living drawing shit I don't care about? I'd rather drop art and go full time at my current job than pander to people who don't even like the same shit I do. It's not fulfilling.
>>2337731
Cause thats gay op and i want to draw ayy lmaos
>>2337731
I did loomis and now I earn 2k$/month.
>>2337782
Well, in that case, you are an idiot with zero foresight. Sakimichan makes more money in a month than you make in a year with your job. She can do her fanart pandering for a couple more years and will never have to worry about money for the rest of her life.
Also you are no artist in the first place if you only consider drawing specific subject matters to be fun and you absolutely hate drawing when it's not something you have a personal interest in.
>>2337736
You don't need to be good. Just be slightly above average. All you need to do to make mad dosh, is to draw hentai of popular characters like Pokemon, Sonic, Disney and Nintendo crap.
As long as you don't draw like a 8 year old autistic fag, you won't have any problems finding a fanbase willing to give you thousands of dollars for you to pump out average cartoon porn for them to fap to.
That's how hacks like the artist posted by OP get so much dosh from basement dwellers
>>2337758
And because they dont have a fanbase. It takes years and years of being somewhat good to build up a big enough fanbase to make a living off patreon. At Least 5-7 years.
>>2338230
you make it sound so easy... is really THAT easy?
>>2338230
What's so bad about that? I don't see the problem honestly.
She's dead as an artist, she no longer experiments and always only does the similar busts or half body of some popular character. She makes a killing and more than anyone here, and probably loves every minute of it. That way's not for me though.
>>2338331
If you're good enough, yes.
The problem here is that /ic/ pathetically tries to feel better by saying you only need to draw better than "a 8 years old autistic fag".
Do you really think that if there was a magic formula to make money everyone would be struggling so much?
Also, /ic/ got no real sense of style, of what really makes the public throw their money at your face, it may sound easy when you think "ok, it's a lot of glow, bright and vivid colors", but it's much more than that, it's not that easy to develop such a catchy style for the mainstream public.
>>2338387
>Do you really think that if there was a magic formula to make money everyone would be struggling so much?
He's not exactly wrong though, if you're really needy for money, even really bad furry art can get you a good amount of living money.
>>2338390
I thought he was talking about making some serious money when he said "mad dosh".
There are indeed countless low tier porn artists making enough for a living, but if you wanna hit higher, you need some good art skills and a style that works well for that.
>>2338380
>She's dead as an artist, she no longer experiments
She's in her fucking 20s. She's got all her life to experiment and be as artsy fartsy as she wants to be. If you had the option to make millions of $ this early on in your career and have financial security for the rest of your life, but instead you decided to "experiement" and be true to whatever arbitrary ideals you hold dear, you'd be fucking brain damaged.
>>2338390
Correct. Seemingly especially with furry art, the standard is really low. Seriously, practice figures for 3-4 months starting from nothing, spend another month or two on learning values and basic color theory, and you can start taking furry commissions. Won't make a living in 4-6 months, but you can go from not making money to making some money on drawing. Gotta be willing to draw fursonas, though. Often having weird kinds of sex.
That said, if we're talking "mad dosh," you have to be good. I don't know if it's envy exactly, but there's certainly something that makes some people on /ic/ think that the really popular Patreon artists aren't good.
>>2338435
>She's in her fucking 20s
Please.
Honestly, i think her art isn't that a big deal, but she knows how to conquer fame, lots of fanarts and NSFW work, from nude to explicit sex, monetize that, huh, money is gonna rain.
>>2338444
What's your point? You're most likely in your 20s too and you're no Michelangelo either, despite sticking to your ridiculous principles and making no money.
>>2338482
Btw, i might add, i believe that this Patreon thing, gaining money with registered/patented characters and imagery could be copyright violation.
Remember that one saki thread where people were challenged to do a sakimichan tier painting? 90% of the thread was buttmad whining and excuses, and the people that actually tried were not on her level.
>>2338492
no, but specting a new one just for fun
>not fun allowed in this board, kid
>>2338486
>gaining money with registered/patented characters and imagery could be copyright violation.
Why are so many idiots too dumb to understand how copyright laws and patreon work?
Fanartists don't sell a product on Patreon. They get donations from fans of their work. If Sakimichan was selling, say t-shirt prints with Disney characters on it, she would get sued. If she paints fanart of Disney characters that people enjoy and as a result of that, they decide to support her on patreon, there is no legal ground, nor reason to sue her for. Everything she does is basically free marketing for them with zero negative side effects.
>>2338492
But everyone here is better than Kr0n or Sakimichan, they don't succeed because they have principle, they are true heroes saving the artistic world.
Well, in reality most of are just jealous failures and even the ones that could get somewhat close to Sakimichan level, would never be able to do something as commercially profitable as her.
>>2338516
That's because you're a bunch of dumb fuckers who refuse to study design and visual rethoric and continue that bullshit lie of stilization being easy "once you master everything else".
/ic/ won't get anywhere untill you all realize "once you master everything else" is a crutch and an excuse not to even try.
>>2338516
It's not about copying her, but doing something that could be popular. I can't believe such amazing artists as yourselves can't come up with something since it's apparently easy to succeed.
>Think for once you dumb shits
It's you that should think for once and stop being so jealous, stop crying because you are nothing compared to her and actually do something if that bother you so much.
>>2338483
>despite sticking to your ridiculous principles and making no money.
What principles? I'm already making money. My point is that she's not going to change ever. .
>>2338552
>she's not going to change ever
>ever
I always knew the time machine was real.
By the way, what age was Sakimichan when she died?
>>2338516
First of all, it's not like the people from that thread did anything decent by any standards. The least of their problem was that they didn't nail Sakimi's style. They simply couldn't draw or render for shit.
Secondly, if your Loomis studies actually taught you anything of value, you should easily be able to apply them in that situation. Sakimi doesn't use some elaborate, crazy style. It's just semi realistic figures with simplified anatomy and animu eyes. If you can't do that, your Loomis studies didn't teach you anything at all.
>>2338555
>By the way, what age was Sakimichan when she died?
35, overdose.
>>2338552
Your point is an utterly retarded, baseless assumption, got it. As we all know every 20 year old stays exactly the same until the day they die.
>>2338560
>As we all know every 20 year old stays exactly the same until the day they die.
Pretty much. Most artists created whatever defined their work when they were young, not the other way around.
>>2338558
no, she dies in a car crash coming from a party with her black musician boyfriend. mary jay and booze are found in her system
>>2338562
>being this retarded
I understand, you're young or bitter, or both, and feel emotionally justified instead of researching a bit to find the many, many people who created their best work long past their supposedly glorious early twenties.
Try again.
>>2338557
Exactly, her style is simple as a concept, but you need some skills to make that 3d-ish render in a way that doesn't feel uncanny to the viewers at the same time they look pretty and sexy.
>>2337731
Last time Ive seen a Sakimichan thread (probably months ago), she's raking 35k every 2 weeks. What happened? Or did my memory just got confused
>>2338581
>I used the mirror shield! Try again!
Shows how much you know about art history, friendo.
>>2338583
Yes, you got confused. It was 35k every month, 17,5k every 2 weeks.
>>2338562
So you are saying you already have created your best piece of work that will define your career and you will never improve and grow as an artist from here on out? Damn, that's sad.
>>2338598
A long time ago.
>>2338591
No, he's right. At one point Sakimichan made well over 60.000$ per month. There have been changes to patreon, lots of dead patron accounts got removed etc. Everyone now looks like they make 10-20% less money than before, but in reality the old numbers were just inflated.
>>2338591
She's doing yaoi/yuri and porn now, lol
>>2338600
Out of curiousity, do you have some kind of mental problems or are you just lazy? Because it's definitely not normal to stop improving in your 20s when you have just started to scratch the surface of the things you have yet to master.
>>2338591
>20.000 milestone
>I don't know!
is this real
How much of an effect does it have that Sakimichan is a girl? I'm just wondering if her friendly, cute personality helps fans feel nice and if she would be as successful if she were a bland, boring dude.
>>2338608
ever watch miyazaki movie? artists are good ten years and then they die.
>>2338610
Not much, given male artists like Kr0nz and Zeronis exist.
>>2338610
Maybe about 30%
It's still mostly her art, more specifically, her style. It's smooth, shiny, all character are cute and pretty, that's what mainstream public want to see.
You can succeed being a guy, just look at Kr0n, but he's not a charismatic person and also doesn't make hentai.
For a guy to have a better chance, it's good that you act all goody and silly, general public like when guys act like a retard.
>>2338608
Most pros end up plateauing at some point or another. Usually in their late 20's or in their 30's. How many people genuinely keep improving for life? The ones that do become the top of the industry, people like Mullins. They are the exception, not the norm.
>>2338619
Are they bland and boring in personality? I wouldn't know.
>>2338621
Yeah, I'm not saying it makes or breaks her art at all. You sure about 30% though? That's really a lot.
>act all goody and silly, general public like when guys act like a retard
Yeah I'm not doing that.
I'm boring as fuck, I really hope I don't have to fake some personality to get attention as an artist.
>>2338626
I wouldn't know either, but surely it's not because Sakimi is female.
>inb4 inevitable 'baww i wont make it cause i dont have a bagina ;__;'
>>2338622
That's true in a way.
It's pretty common to see artists become really good in a relatively short time (considering the life spam of a healthy person), like 5 to 7 years, but then keep more or less in the same level for the rest of their lives.
>>2338630
Well not even female though, could also be a fag. I guess the opposite of bland and boring.
>>2338622
Most pros seemingly plateau at the point where they are very competent at the fundamentals and everything beyond it is mostly fine-tuning and a matter of taste. However they never enter a mindset where they think they have nothing left to learn. Many noobs like you can simply no longer recognize improvement when it's only on very small scale so they start thinking these artists don't improve at all anymore.
However I was not talking about most pros, I'm talking about you. Do YOU think there is nothing left that you could get better at?
>>2338626
I'm obviously not sure about this 30%, it's impossible to measure that. Let's say it helps a bit, but no matter how charismatic you are, you'll never make it without a decent art (unless you try becoming a youtuber or something).
I would say, focus in your style, because that's what attracts your public, study what they like and improve your art to give them what they want in the best way you can.
>>2338366
You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do. And you are doing porn that has no other purpose than to give people reason to fap.
People who won't value you as an artist and the work you do. They will care only about the pron, it doesn't matter how good the illustration is, how much effort or little effort you put in the work you do.
Just look at Shadman "art".
Terrible artist, awful illustration/pron. Has a huge fanbase because he draws well known characters sucking dicks.
>>2338387
Shadman is shit and he makes a shit ton of cash with his "8 year old autistic" drawing skills.
>>2338643
>You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do.
So, like every person who is employed and works for a living? I swear, some of you people sound like you have never worked a day in your life and don't plan on ever doing it either.
There is no difference between Sakimichan doing whatever fanart shit for her audience and Jaime Jones, Mullins, Ruanjia etc doing work for video game studios. I think you might just hate the idea of working for a living and of being a professional artist in general.
>>2338643
>Shadman
This guy makes like 1,7k per month, just compare to Sakimichan and see the difference a better art can make.
If someone could deliver an even better version of what Sakimichan does, this person could take her spot or at least make some serious money.
Anyway, yes, you can successful enough and make a living off your porn without much effort, just being smart enough to deliver what they want, but you'll never make like 10K per month with truly bad art.
>>2338652
Do I have to sell my soul to start making porn art or are people generally ok with it
>>2338643
>You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do.
It's called being a professional and it's how you secure an income with your craft. You use your skills as a service that people are willing to exchange money for.
The fact that Sakimichan probably has all the money she could ever need right now and still does it, and the fact that she was doing it before she was getting paid tens of thousands of dollars a month, suggests she enjoys it well enough anyhow. She could no doubt quit any time she liked and coast for the rest of her life on her savings if she was unhappy with the situation. It's a win-win for her and people get butthurt over it because life's not fair.
>>2338659
both
first become a cash cow and just put a "commission" page on tumblr (at least have 100-200 followers at this point) then just draw some random characters and wait for commission money.
i rememeber whe sandara was the top pop cgi artist she were always winning da and wacom contests
>>2337731
good lord, if it was that easy the porn thread would be filled with rich dudes.
>>2338661
So she just started doing porn now because she likes to? Not to wallow in even more cash?
>>2338664
I mean if some normies irl find out I draw porn will they even care? I can't even tell anymore.
>>2338695
>implying she didn't like porn before
>implying she didn't have tons of Yaoi shit before
She was already famous enough to doesn't need that, unless she was a fucking greedy whore.
Not everyone that doesn't post porn is against porn.
>>2338695
She has been doing BL even before she was well known.
>>2338697
I'm pretty sure normies wouldn't take it well, it's better to hide what you do.
She's got talent, she's got the cash, she's loved by her followers, she loves drawing cartoons fucking and she does that. She's living the good life.
>>2338562
Most great artists don't peak or make their greatest works until they are in their 40s. You are literally a bitter retarded toddler.
>>2338706
Oh ok. I just don't want my real name attached to it if that's the case then. Like through paypal and shiet.
>>2337731
you have to build your fanbase for years before you even think to cash in on them. Besides socializing, you also need the skill to pull in even the most cynical /ic/ shitposter.
Did I mention she has been featured in pop-art magazine--Imaginary FX way before? Mass exposure also adds a considerable amount.
So stop shitposting in /ic/ or 4chan in general and work on your art now.
>>2338746
>So stop shitposting in /ic/ or 4chan in general and work on your art now
Jealousy hurt too much.
>>2338746
How many years does it take?
>>2338651
>There is no difference between Sakimichan doing whatever fanart shit for her audience and Jaime Jones, Mullins, Ruanjia etc doing work for video game studios.
I agree with everything you said except this. Those artists are paid to make art for someone else, but they at least get to do some of their own ideas, and their job is obviously more fulfilling than Sakimi churning out what is basically the same pinup over and over. I still don't fault her for it though, I might do the same if I saw the opportunity.
>>2337771
link? I'd like to see your stuff. (depressed also)
>>2338809
I think the creative liberty they have depends a lot of the project.
Actually, aside from her polls results, Sakimichan can draw whatever she wants as long as it feature famous characters.
If most of her work is so similar, it's because she choosed that way, she doesn't need to think much, but she could if she really wanted.
Being an artist like sakimi is a complete crapshoot. theres plenty of artists out there drawing like her lifeless stuff.
drawing porn probably helps though.
>>2337731
I'm going to be making steady 1k per month via patreon by the end of the year. That's my goal and I very much plan to achieve that.
>>2338798
Many years, because you first need to get good enough, then work in bulding a really huge fan base, many thousands of them.
You need to remember that just a minority of your fans would support you on Patreon, that's why you need to get really famous before trying it, otherwise you'll get stuck in 300 to 1,k at best.
>>2338839
She was making a lot of money before doing porn, she started doing it just recently. People just like her art and you'll need to live with that.
There are plenty artists out there drawing lifeless Loomis stuff too.
>>2338835
>Sakimichan can draw whatever she wants as long as it feature famous characters.
Not really. She doesn't have any experience doing anything else.
>>2338853
My point was that you can see art like hers being posted every day, while few bring in as much money through patreon or similar. It's not something you should try to replicate.
>>2338865
That's because she was the one that made this style so popular, she's the real thing, while others become just her shadows.
You need to add something new or create a completely style and hope it becomes a trend, like she did and it's not an easy task.
>>2338835
>If most of her work is so similar, it's because she choosed that way
I wonder
>>2338729
Just use a different name with your porn stuff and have a separate paypal.
>>2338113
blog?
Because it is socially acceptable for women to draw porn but if a guy does it, he's sleazy.
Or I just don't understand public opinion anymore.
>>2338583
This. I remember calculating her yearly income and it amounted to over 800k (now it's down to around 500k)
If you start doing porn commissions on the side will employers discriminate against you when freelancing?
Say you're applying for vg/film/ads and the company might see your name associated with some porn, is that bad?
>>2339868
you could always use an alias for your porn work.
