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http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3.html
http://finaltrinity.tumblr.com/post/13163064364/art-references-tumblr-accounts
>fellowBro's books :
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>>2271355
This is more like what would happen correct`? It's still incredibly fucked up. No idea how to draw hands fml
>>2271371
That's gorgeous anon. Lots of energy left from not overworking things. Reflection is maybe a little too dirty.
i drew a face. i think im gonna use charcoal next time
>>2271389
proportions are off, mate. Areas to look at are cheek, nose, eyes. Fix the underdrawing before rendering.
>>2271389
her head looks too small for those wide shoulders
Wondered how my infant would look as a mobster...Welp.
>>2271371
i see she got some good ol spanking. i like
>>2271389
that left eye though
>>2271389
this almost looks like symbol drawing do some construction holy shit, the eyes arent in perspective with the mouth or nose, and the nose is grossly misshapen and lumpy
>>2271371
nice
>>2271371
This is very beautifully done but to me it feels like my eyes are unintentionally drawn to the drapery on the right corner.
Trying something different from what I'm used to draw.
Finally feeling like stepping out of my comfort zone.
>>2271371
This one is gorgeous. Well done
>>2271437
I can only understand the form of the top left and bottom left one.
The rest seem really abstracted.
A little lineweight would help, even if it's super slight.
![IMG_0162-[3034394].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tWTBl5v.jpg "IMG_0162-[3034394].jpg")
pretty sure I made the pecks too high, along with other things im sure.
Hey to the guy who posted this response from last thread.
I getcha man I like the idea of it but I'd like to find a nice middle ground between that and all the details I do, I will try to work on what I have as far as doing I don't know if I have the time since this is so on the 19th and I wanna take my time with the markers, I will however try to change the lettering into that example, but thanks a shit ton man that's a great example.
>>2271389
>>2271371
It feels like I have seen this somewhere, do you have the name of the artist if so? Thanks, and nice job!
>>2271478
what am i looking at?
>>2271465
You're welcome dude and yeah like I said I didn't expect you to try and incorporate it into the one you're working on right now. If you do any more stuff in that style though, you should definitely check out actual street artists because there's a good way of having really fine interior lines while having super thick outer lines that I think would work well for what you're doing. Good luck in the contest.
>>2271484
Bad construction.
>>2271383
I don't know why you didn't fix the nostrils even after anons here showed you how.
>>2271389
Hi,
I was wondering if you design the porait like this deliberately? if so, why, whats your approach? Do you feel like the likeness is accurate in your drawing compared to the modell? I would greatly appreciate an insight to your process. And nice job btw.
>>2271383
Take a pic of your hand resting on a sword like item.
I sketched this at the wrong angle, but maybe something more like this. I would rely on your picture to nail what you really want, though
>>2271492
from a design aspect I actually think this is the strongest portrait I've done. I measured the top of her hair down to her chin, then measured that amount down to pick where to end the drawing. I also tried some cool stuff with making the scarf on her shoulder extend down past the rest of the drawing.
as for likeness this is probably the best face i've done of this woman. I find symbol drawing is the best way to capture likeness. Everything rendered an equal amount usually leads to a generic face.
Unfortunately since this wasn't someone I know, I didn't have the opportunity to draw right in front of her ( I'd have been in the way of other artists), and have her look me in the eyes while I drew which I find is the best way to guarantee the model doesn't drift from the pose, and that I can make out subtle shapes for facial features. I was probably a good 10-12 feet away from her and ideally you'd want to be 3-4 feet away from someone for a portrait.
>>2271463
You are thinking in contours rather than constructing the forms, which is typical to a beginner. Caring about anatomical mistakes like
>pretty sure I made the pecks too high
at this point is pointless. Go back and review the loomis books, they help you get a grasp on form.
>>2271420
Symbol drawing at its finest.
>>2271443
Are you even trying?
>>2271451
Flat and 2 dimensional, no depth
>>2271465
It looks like what its supposed to, a graphic design. No sense of form. Also the thick brush is too much and you're using it inconsiderately at points, the hands for example.
>>2271474
Value range is too narrow, push those bright whites and dark blacks.
>>2271480
Anders Zorn, that painting is called "le tub"
What do you guy think??
>>2271490
I did, but I'm still messing around with the face. Whatever finished image I posted somewhere you are looking at was saved with the 'fixes on top' layer disabled.
>>2271496
I've tried this a lot in the past but it never quite seemed to work. I think you really need someone else to model so that you can focus on capturing the exact angle and pose you need for the image. If you put the cam on your table and pose yourself it's never going to be accurate enough. Your sketch makes me want to try a little harder with the hand though... it really looks awful atm.
>>2271437
reminds me of sparth's recent drawings
>>2271389
Tried to fix construction.
>>2271389
your stuff is always too jaged and angular. its very consistent the way you draw but its not very aesthically pleasing especially for drawing faces and figures. I would suggest trying different methods. use more curves to break the monotony of your angular drawings. look at drawing by sargent and other artists you like for what to aim for.
>>2271523
Better scrap this and star over rather than trying to polish that turd. It won't get better by morphing it.
Did this yesterday, I don't usually paint but this was fun
>>2271520
Love the colors
>>2271525
i think that can be alleviated by making the lines less shaky. If i'm using a lot of straight angular lines it would probably be more aesthetically pleasing if they were actually straight. Same with curves. It's a refinement issue, and me not focusing on the individual parts of the whole...
but >>2271523
that guy is hilarious. that looks nothing like the model I was drawing. That nose is huge and you ruined her cheek bones. Don't try to adjust other peoples life drawings in photoshop. The features are those shapes for a reason
>>2271526
>Better scrap this and star over
i didn't do that some anon did. and you can't scrap and start over when you aren't drawing from photographs go back to the beginner thread.
>>2271525
His faces aren't unappealing because of jagged and angular shapes, it's possible to make great portraits using lines and shapes like that. The problem is he pays no heed to good drafting principles like solid construction and measuring proportions, that and I think he just doesn't have the mileage to know how to make that stylizing subtle.
>>2271534
The features are shaped like that because you misrepresented them. That anon's output may not look like the model, but I looks more like an actual person.
>>2271486
I'll look up a few an study there works, and thanks man I'll post some updates as the piece goes on and make sure to comment what the final result is?
>>2271543
No person I've ever seen has a face that lacks that much symmetry. So, I stand by my statement. The guys in the beginner thread are doing some nice work, they could teach you some form rendering, once you have your construction ironed out.
>>2271546
Sure, hopefully I'll be around when you post it, I look forward to seeing how it turns out.
Tell me I'm pretty
>>2271543
>>2271490
people really seem to take it personal if somebody doesn't implement their feedback. no need for that anon. chill out.
>>2271553
>not liking sargent and leyendecker
>arrogance
thats pretty much the /ic/ attitude. they probably beat up hobos in the streets, said nigger constantly, and wore cologne everyday and you guys still like them. meh
>>2271559
>not liking sargent and leyendecker
>arrogance
You're right, that's not arrogance. That's also not what I was referring to. Try the whole shitting up an entire thread smugposting against legitimate criticism of your sketches. That's arrogance.
>>2271535
>and you can't scrap and start over when you aren't drawing from photographs
why couldn't you?
Engineer Chick or something.
this far absolutely no idea what to do with the face.
>>2271580
>no idea what to do with the face.
Leave it as is, just clean it all up and maybe throw on some color. It'd be cool if you put some smudges or grease spots on her cheeks or something like that.
>>2271543
How can you hate Leyendecker and Sargent? What the fucking hell man.
>>2271575
Because he wasted his whole class adding sparatic hatching
>>2271585
He hates them because they're actually good at what he's trying to pull off and he knows people will compare him to them.
Finally got some pages scanned so i can work on colouring them on laptop
Here's another one im currently doing
I know It's bad, eyes fucked up and shit, will continue tomorrow It's already 3.30 am here.
>>2271634
>e new m
he needs to get in line with Zedig.
>>2271358
I have a long ways to go yet on this. But it's my first try with digital painting.
It's part of the cover to my new novel "Joe"
>>2271675
Forgot pic
>>2271677
shit taste in humor and terrible drawing, go back to beginner thread.
>>2271620
nice.
have you already made a comic or do you have some site in which we can read it or something?
first time posting, holy shit
>>2271681
Thanks pal, this is my first short story im almost finished, just need the time to scan
Il post full thing here when its done -http://garresh.tumblr.com/
>>2271676
thanks buddy
>>2271694
Man I really like your ideas,I see you're very creative and most important,you're talented.
I'm really excited to see the final results.I don't have a Tumblr but i'll keep watching it.
>>2271683
Hit da sticky
>>2271389
You improved a ton over about a year, now it looks like you've regressed. Proportions are off and, memes aside, the head looks too big.
>>2271437
I really like your stuff. I think if you explore working tighter with your symmetry and perspective for a bit then come back to loose work, it'll really shine.
>>2271664
What's with the hard line through the cheek jaw and hair? Anyway, turn down the exposure/brightness on her face.
Pic related is 220 minutes in. God this shit was so much easier+fun after 60mg of adderall.
>>2271705
Whoops, i'm dumb as hell
>>2271702
Thanks lot dude thats real nice of you
Timidly stepping out from the beginner thread in hopes of getting shit on in a more productive way here. I consider myself a beginner but I don't tend to get much critique over there.
Additionally, does anyone have suggestions for rendering in manga studio? Right now I'm mostly using the brush named "Watercolor brush" because I really like the blending, but I feel like it makes everything kind of blobby and messy, and I wouldn't mind something a bit cleaner.
Also I know the horse looks pretty derpy.
>>2271764
your values are mostly 1 and 10. You need to work more with middle-values to organize your contrast and give a heirarchy to the features of your image. Right now there's maximum contrast (a 10 immediately next to a 1 value) all over the place and its very jarring.
also your forms and construction are weak, but thats a practice thing. Study hampton and draw from life more.
>>2271778
Thanks for the tips. I wanted to make the armor appear shiny with more contrast but I see what you mean by overdoing it, I think I went too hard on the values right at the start and left myself nowhere to go.
>>2271778
>>2271778
While improving the construction is a little beyond hope until my next attempt, I tried to pull the contrast back a little, is this better or is it just way too dark now?
>>2271389
Brian, I am usually a pretty big fan, and have even saved some of your works over the months, but jesus christ, this picture is shit and you should feel shit, and take the critiques flinged towards you. Never have I seen such an arrogant tool like you, and no, it isn't a virtue. You really are regressing- take a step back and think your shit through.
The result of my evening
>>2271850
I think he might have gotten temp banned or something, he usually sticks around and argues with people longer. Too bad if so, maybe he would've listened to someone he knows.
>>2271520
I'm confused as to how something could be so good, yet so horrible at the same time. Truly, a new level of art has been achieved.
>>2271619
Nice cock tower.
Done.
>>2271894
So this one was from imagination?
>>2271896
No, it's a Steve Houston's study from New Masters Academy.
>>2271900
Ah.
>>2271474
shit posted this in the wrong thread
any help is appreciated, did this 4-5 months back and want to revisit it
>>2271943
I like the colors, hands need changing though, I mean Ya got all the fingers at the same length
>>2271862
i didnt get banned. why would they ban me
anyways what should i do for the background on this painting?
I'd appreciate any critique and help about this. I can't help but feel that whenever I color a face it looks kind of lifeless and flat. Any tips on how to make it look more believable?
>>2271987
You should meticulously fill it in with all the critiques you've been given that you aren't going to use for anything else, and then dip the entire canvas in gesso as an abstractionist statement. It'll sell for millions.
>>2272007
bit too inside baseball but i appreciate your comment and i've internalized you're critique.
>>2271389
There's something appealingly casual about how you did the fur scarf(?) and her top and the sleeve. It reminds me of Lindsay McMinn (@cactuswax on instagram) and that sort of careless style.
That being said, the face doesn't work out as stylized or realistic. I don't know where you want to take your art, who your inspirations are etc, but if you want to do more volumetric and realistic then start thinking more about volume. The hair as ribbons. The "cylinders" of the clothing wrapping around her body. Draw through.
>>2271987
confetti of the pink of his lips, that bright light blue that's right at his hairline, and the bright yellow down by his neck.
**
Here's another watercolor painting for my "Fantasy Illustration"-class. Traditional fantasy lore is a little bit lame imo, so I did something shifted towards colonial america/N.C Wyeth in setting.
>>2271987
What is that, oils?
>>2272001
Add more contrast and hues.
>>2271987
maybe some pyramids or something super random xD
maybe try drinking bleach xD
>>2272018
yep. i decided on yellow green for the background and im gonna do some sketches to see if maybe i want to add some little characters or something to it.
>>2272025
do you even hear yourself.
A piece of art isnt a shitty photorealistic portrait aith a bunch of glitter and shit thrown in at the end like youre just "adding art" to it. Try planning something for once in your life, burnout.
>>2272033
excuse me for enjoying myself
>>2272035
A retard will sit in shit and eat it and have a blast, but don't expect people to ignore it.
>>2272041
what does that even mean! okay im going to bed.
>>2272041
>don't expect people to ignore it
I think we're gonna have to with this guy. He's having a feast on frustrating people by throwing his ego in everyone's faces, and it's causing shitstorms in every thread. I'm definitely done replying to him and I hope other people will be too, but I figure people will stop talking to him anyway considering he just ignores critique. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later so this can stop happening every thread.
>>2272043
>xDD what i don understand LOL xDDD
jesus christ this guy
>>2272069
dont talk about things you dont know about
>>2272066
>guy
I have my doubts
damn /ic/'s been leveling up for the time i was gone
Values are fucking me up, I don't know shit about them and I seem to constantly go for the wrong decisions.
How do I into values and rendering? Getting desperate over here..
1/3
>>2272141
3/3
>>2272140
basic perspective is fucking you up m8. also line quality. if you can't draw perspective approximations without going off at completely the wrong angle use a grid. Even better. get a grid, hide it, try and draw the correct line and then check yourself (you'll improve real fast).
But look at your drawings. They are unconvincing because they use ugly, blocky, poorly composed shapes that don't attenuate properly in perspective not because of value. Values come afterwards, if your drawing is bad no amount of painting is going to save it.
>>2272163
YEAH! you tell that fucker where he belongs.
>>2272163
Thanks, I see your point. I've been told by teachers that I was too stiff with my perspective since I usually plotted everything, so I'm trying to get the hang of doing it without constructing every little detail, i.e. freehanding perspective.
Could you do a redline on where my perspective is off, if you have a minute? Also, any advice on line quality improvement?
Apart from all that I'd still like to learn about value, since it needs a ton of improvement either way - so that question still stands.
>>2272137
Don't worry, its a matter of time until shitposters villainize the good ones until they stop posting and we'll reach equilibrium.
some character drawing
>>2272217
Upper legs are too short, also knees too far apart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiza
"Traditionally, women sit with the knees together while men separate them slightly."
>>2272222
Thanks
>>2272173
haven't redlined every instance of the problems as they're too pervasive and I would encourage you to look for the rest of them yourself. Perspective stuff is just practice, I don't think you were thinking.
I think you've failed to realise that your line work implies a massive amount about the way light is hitting an object and about the depth of an object. At the moment your value painting and line work are working against each other. There are multiple instance where your line work is thicker even though your painting is implying that light hitting that area the most i.e. thinner lines. Also in terms of building objects in perspective that point where I wrote "no" is a really good example but there are others. A thicker line implies that you are closer to the viewer. So when you carry that on you are saying "these things are equally close to the viewer" and I don't think you meant that. If you did then that's poor design and I would encourage you to change it. I think you'll be surprised how much better your values look if you fix the overlay.
>>2272014
That's so fucking cool man
>>2272244
Fuck man, thanks a ton - that helps a lot.
That comic-y feel really annoyed me - never thought that inappropriate line weight was to blame for that. Didn't realise how much my lines mess up everything else, I'll work on that and keep your advice in mind.
I see the perspective flaws, but was under the impression that for loose thumbnails they are not severe enough to matter. But yeah, I definitely should have done a properly constructed clean drawing before throwing any values on top for the final one.
Much appreciated anon.
Working on this
>>2272309
*insert same post as always*
Critique this please
>>2272312
Y'know. about how you never fucking practice and keep cluttering the boards with this garbo
>>2272315
oh, i get it, srry, i'll control myself
>>2272317
I just want you to get good anon god damn it
>>2272323
its fucking hard man, i admire you guys who can, but i can't. thank you for your support, i know its not just bashing. at the moment all i can do is stop posting too much so i don't flood, i know its annoying.
>>2272325
>its fucking hard
boo hoo life is hard, i almost died a couple days ago.
>i admire you guys who can, but i can't.
you idiot you dont get better because youre not trying to get better why dont you get that
>>2272330
i guess you are right... but are you ok now?
>>2272330
This.
Ain't no magic to it.
I'm calling this done. Can't stand looking at it anymore. I don't really like the result, maybe I should add more contrast in the lightning, I dunno.
>>2271887
I think the good rendered tit that grabs all attention to it is what makes it good, but those cheap textures at the background are so distracting.
>>2272021
huehuehuehuehue
>>2272386
kek
I see what you did there.
The hole of the picture was pretty tame tonally, or what do you think ic?
Working on this right now.
Any tips for how to replicate the sort of coloration and patters the beetle I am using for reference here has on it's shell?
I find myself stuck on trying to figure out how to accomplish that.
>>2272346
Fails to evoke any feelings for me, yet the subject choice screams "FEEL THIS SHIT!"
Perhaps because it looks like the guy is sitting on a small chair rather than drifting, and the lighting is nowhere near what you would get in outer space.
>>2272457
Look at some Dan Chavez for inspiration brah.
So what does it mean if a drawing posted gets no replies?
>>2272477
nothing. happens all the time. there's nothing wrong with quoting your drawing and demanding feedback.
>>2272480
>demanding
or you could just ask for it?
it helps when you ask about a specific thing, not just general critiques
>>2272469
I'm not really sure how looking at his art is gonna help me. I am way too unskilled to render anywhere close as well as he does. I don't even know how to paint the way that guy does. I'm drawing stick figures in comparison to the stuff that guy draws.
>>2272270
Post on d2g when you're done
>>2272025
i added little people and word bubbles
>>2272516
So random xD have an up vote!
>>2272516
The top of your head and bottom, namely jaw and mouth are going off in different directions
>>2271371
muh dick
>>2272505
Your work isn that bad though. The construction on your main figure looks worse than the concept sketch the the left of it, like you got lazy making sure your forms wrap around and interlock with each other. Try doing studies from chavez, start with a toned canvas and copy his work. If you're diligent about getting it to look the same without the eye-dropper tool or tracing/horizontal/vertical rulers, You'll learn some of his methods. Then you can go back and apply them to your work.
I think maybe you rely on outlines to define form, you just need to learn to use value/light/shadow contrast to define form. Try painting that beetle's shell just the way it is in the photo. Just paint it by looking at it, don't use lines, just colors.
>>2272457
Can't say that I am really happy about how this ended up, but I don't really know how to do any better.
>>2272537
Yeah, I rely heavily on lines. That's how I have drawn since I was a kid. I have never really had any "training" on drawing, so my "skills" are simply due to years of trial and error.
Speaks for itself, I assume. Simplified asaro head in charcoal.
>>2272346
I think it could benefit from some compositional changes and moodier lighting. Maybe crop in close, have some shapes in the extreme foreground, and is whole back can just be in heavy shadow with some rimlight. Pic is from Jae Lee's one-shot of The Sentry, in case you want to look at more. I'd also recommend maybe looking at screenshots from Gravity or something for inspiration.
>>2272460
I tried with a more direct and brighter light, but the contrast was too high that I would need to render everything accordingly. Maybe I'll post another version later so you guys can see what I mean.
About the pose, I dunno, I tried rotating him in a lot of positions and that was the one I think best fits. Dunno how I would make it look more like he is drifting.
>>2272545
Thanks, that's helpful! After I finish the image in working on right now(I'll post the WIP when I get home) I'll try to figure out something, but now that you said about composition I really think it can get better with some changes. I'm glad for the help.
>>2272541
don't know if this is gonna help you, but
9/10 would fight in a sci-fi FPS
>>2272562
He's just one of the 3 dudes I have drawn. Now I'll have to apply the color scheme to the other two.
>>2272567
colors too dark, breh.
>>2272573
Is this better?
>>2272583
Yeah. Nowadays I usually check if the figure looks like it is leaning too much in the sketching stage already, so that I won't have to start fixing it when I am halfway done with the picture.
>>2272543
Your approach is symbolic at the moment, what I mean by this is that you are thinking in lines and contours rather than figuring out why they're there. This results in lack of form and perspective. Construct everything first and think why certain lines are there and what they're supposed to describe. You should review the sticky.
>>2272587
Perfect, that's pretty much the way to do it, when it's still easier to make changes and corrections. I knew you'd get past that in no time. These designs are looking pretty cool, I'll be watching to see how they come out.
a fat knight
help with anything ?
>>2272613
your choice of colors always seems a bit unfortunate. but i see you do that so much that i figured it's a conscious stylistic choice. is it? because if it's not you might be working with a horrible decalibrated monitor. also i would make an effort to group values more clearly. grouping values is the reason catbib and ruanjias work looks so gorgeous.
i do love the vibration in you've got going on the checkered sleeves though. that works rather nice. oh also exercise some restraint with saturation... less is more imo. it's easy to overdo it with stylized characters because he feel like they should be overly colorful.
>>2272613
Looks pretty nice so far, if this is a block in. The only thing is the face somehow looks like a little kid with a prop mustache to me. I'm not sure what you could do for that, maybe more definition around the eyes and cheekbones.
>>2272624
thanks anon
yeah for some reason color is something i've had a tough time with lately as i've been trying to be a bit more bold with it. weird colors aren't a style choice or down to my monitor (i have two so i can look at it on both) though i think it's just my shit choices in colors lol.
what exactly do you mean by group values?
thanks
>>2272626
yeah i hadn't thought about that. mustache i just threw in as an end decision
>>2272341
Are you the same guy who was drawing with a mouse? Did you get a tablet?
>>2272346
Your wip hinted to something different, it reminded me to the way Rapoza's Lichman is colored, I also feel a bit uneasy regarding the Nebula-cloud, for me both are very different in terms of scale and hence placement, so seeing it in this way is very odd.
>>2272534
>>2272613
Neat
>>2272583
I don't know what is Soma. :B
>>2272651
Yeah, I wasn't sure about going more cell-shaded or rendered looking, I told it when I posted the WIP. In the end I thought that more rendered would make more sense with the subject matter and have a more "heavy" feeling than the simplicity of cell-shading, even if desaturated.
And I agree with the cloud. I wanted to make him fading in the background but couldn't find a nice looking way that would fit without darkening the image too much.
I'll mess with that image tomorrow with fresher eyes and see what I can come up with.
The one I'm working on right now.
Things to do:
Finish the character.
Try to get some brushwork more clearly, I'm not liking the smooth look of it. Maybe I'll do some line contour of some sort too, dunno.
Add vegetation to the foreground and middleground.
Mess with the colors and get a more harmonizing palette.
i think i dun goofed guys
this is a fucking mess :^)
>>2272759
You never responded to my last post, did you try the the third option I suggested? It doesn't look like it from this, though.
>>2272792
The entire face below her eyes is too big. I'd recommend lasso tooling it out and transforming it down some. Also her shoulders are too narrow.
what am I even doing
>>2272792
Tried something. I think overstating the terminator of form shadows + almost completely recovering the value of the illuminated surface past the terminator can look pretty damn amazing. It's something that very few people on /ic/ seem to try. Maybe bc it's easy to pull off in greyscale but not so much in color... i dunno.
>>2272819
I feel like there was a simpler way to describe that. Exaggerated bounce light, maybe?
>>2272816
doing an impression of a concept artist
>>2272386
A fine amount of hues.
>>2272832
lol
>>2272828
well yeah i guess you could call it that.
>>2272763
ops. i ussually go do somethng else for a break whenever i post something. but yea i will start over and try that now
>>2272861
Cool, I hope it works out for you. I suggest it because I have the same problem of getting lost when I try to paint directly in color and working in grayscale has given me much more control. Either way, it can't hurt to try it out. Good luck, anon.
Trying out painting on top of some sketches.
>>2271383
you don't know how to draw. take a pencil and paper and look at your hand, or someone else's hand and try to draw it. post what you draw so we can critique it. obviously you know some slick photoshop tricks to give your illustrations the impression of a naturalist atmosphere, but that doesn't, and never will make up for bad drawing.
Learn to draw before you slap on global lighting, lassos and textures. there are no shortcuts.
>>2272651
yeah, my wirst has been hurting for using the mouse too long.
>>2272991
that's a loaded post if i've ever seen one
>>2273043
I kind of thought that too but after I read it and looked over the pictures some more, I think it's probably the only example of actual tough but solid criticism I've seen on /ic/.
>>2272001
I wouldn't add hue since it's the Joker, but I do like what the contrast did. Thanks!
>>2273053
nah. it sounds like the typical 'you are not allowed to make decent looking work, you aren't a master draftsman yet!'
to me atleast. i don't know. no shortcuts to what? getting good? isn't every image we make an attempt and a necessary step to achieving that?
>>2272270
Tweaked some things. Please excuse the hand hiding, still trying to figure out what to do with them, feedback on this would be appreciated
>>2271543
Bait quality = low
hej
>>2273065
"you are not allowed to make decent looking work unless you're a master draftsman"
that's my whole point. it isn't "decent looking", and the fact that you're willing to skip over a fundamental skills for glitter and special effects shows where your values lie and how committed you are to the art form.
So, my point remains. He can't draw. He can dress up bad drawing in global lighting, textures and weak, partially fulfilled gestures, and make it appear to have a naturalist effect, but that doesn't mean his drawing isn't still bad. The programmer who wrote the software that allows him to overlay transparent gradients to integrate the lighting and the palette had a larger hand in making this guy's drawing than the guy himself. He's using the tools of Photoshop to prop up lifeless, sloppy drawings.
So no, he is not a persecuted genius, no one is trying to stop him from "making decent looking work". I, and I'm 100% certain that every professional artist I know would with me now as they have in the past, that if you want to make illustrations of anything, you need to know how to draw.
Also, "typical"? You make it sound like someone telling you that you need to learn how to draw is some kind of juvenile irritant. Do you really think you know better than all of the Renaissance, Baroque, and Neoclassical artists, that somehow, because you have this powerful tool, that you are suddenly gifted with more wisdom on how great art is made? You are a fool if you think that.
And yes, there are no shortcuts to "getting good". A bicycle that is poorly welded falls apart and is not "good". Likewise, illustrations made by people who never learned how to draw are not good, no matter how many effects you pile on top of them.
Learn how to draw.
>>2273058
>>2272832
made me laugh.
I always draw portrait, thought I'd try something else.
maybe I should just photobash
Still life study 5 minutes
>>2273172
>>2273172
you get way too worked up over it. yes drawing is incredibly important, yes his is lacking. i'm sure he is aware of that.
>>2273218
He didn't seem worked up over it until you tried to make it seem like he was just being mean. His original post was only 3 lines long. That said, since I fully agree with his sentiment, I totally get why he'd defend it staunchly, I would've.
Starting a maojesus zedong, resting on a pile of skulls. It's a bit messy atm though.
>>2271801
would like to see it finished, watch out with the proportions of the arms nigga and the proportions of the horse. But I like the concept
>>2272724
I think waiting is a good call, sorry for the negative impression I just can't help but feel that in this case there was something important lost in the rendering and addition of elements. However this is probably just my personal preference so I also hope you do what you think it's best for the piece.
>>2273014
I remember your portraits made with mouse the strokes were surprisingly very pleasing, they made me think of a very raw ruan-jian-esque sketch.
I will be looking forward to your progression
As for pic related I had to redraw most of what I already had, before doing the same or worse mistakes I would appreciate some feedback, particularly but not limited to her anatomy.
>>2273221
Dunno why I posted, I can already see by myself nose is fucking huge.
>>2273224
Go back to traditional. I want to see more of your stuff made by this way.
>>2271580
How to fuck up everything
>>2272014
This is great.
>>2273270
Wow.
Yup.
What the hell happened, that initial sketch was promising. Also you need to learn to use layers, coloring around your lines is not the way.
>>2273274
Probably shouldn't be drawing when the night is turning into morning and my brain is turning into trash.
Will go get some sleep and do everything again.
Sometimes i just start "painting" in one layer but i just can't fucking do it.
Frustrated.
>>2273277
>but i just can't fucking do it.
Yeah dude don't break your back with stuff like that, the tool should make things easier for you not harder. When you redo it go ahead and use layers. Even if you want to try blending in
>>2273221
I don't actually have much constructive criticism, but I did want to say that your face, although unfinished is well constructed and feels like it could come to life, like it could be part of an animation. the expression is dynamic, and the only bit of anatomy that seems slightly out of place is the bend in the neck, the placement and size of the collar bones, and the shoulders seem a little too narrow.
I can see him slowly raising his hands up while his eyebrows undulate, and eventually he lets roll from his sagging jowls, "Oy vey!".
Are you an animation student?
>>2273224
Is she pregnant?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even want to do look more like??
>>2273085
lookin pretty pro-freshional buddy
>>2273372
samefag
>>2273406
no it was me u fag
>>2273423
;) it's okay. caught ya. we can all pretend you weren't samefagging. that's fine with me.
>>2273434
you are such a fucking cock.
Still chipping at this, trying to figure my guys out. Gere is based on a bearded vulture, while Fregar is based on a magnificent frigatebird. I'm not quite satisfied with Fregar, but I'm not sure what to do with the design. Gere is a little closer to what I want, but I'm not happy with his lower body and boots.
Have plans to add two captains and two lieutenants to be their sidekicks, respectively.
>>2273238
I'm doing traditional (acrylics, pastel and charcoal) but it takes a while and since I'm even less versed in that media I prefer doing studies like >>2271894 and >>2270570 at least for the moment. I do have an imaginative acrylic piece in progress but I think I can improve it much further before posting it again.
>>2273331
No, I sincerily thought it would not be visible with that kind of twist and pov.
>>2273361
Lol no, do you think that because the way her belly is shaded, its shape, both?
>>2273435
you invest way too much energy into jerking yourself off on /ic/
Drawing from my twitch stream tonight. Just started drawing the skull and added on to it.
I'm not sure what his power is supposed to be yet.
>>2273406
Assuming he was samefagging Ill add that I agree with his reply.
>>2273462
I'll also agree with it, that shit was cool and I'm tired of the whole "everyone who compliments or just doesn't say something negative about something is clearly just op" meme.
>>2273441
I get what you mean on Fregar's design. Basically his major design flaws is the bulging throat, really strange if the character is a soldier.
Try giving his a bit of a neck and drop the weight onto his stomach.
I didn't have a clue about how she was dressed or what's going on the exemple, so fuck it.
>>2273467
Wow very nicely done!
>>2273467
would be a waste if you stopped working on it desu
>>2273466
I want to keep the bulging cloth because it made the chest look large, this majestic look. I don't mean to backpedal, but a lot of what I'm thinking about changing isn't in the interest of realism, but more to do with silhouettes and making sure they have an emphasis in their design to keep them from being evenly proportioned.
In any case, I lowered the chest piece like you suggested. How's this?
>>2273474
>silhouettes and making sure they have an emphasis in their design to keep them from being evenly proportioned.
Are these birds dress as knights, or knights dress as birds? Fregar is the only one that stands out as a 'bird' then the rest. Honestly if it isn't the latter then stick with the original.
watchu guys think?
>>2273486
It's the latter, guys as birds, sorry, I should have clarified that earlier. To get a softer, feathery look, I had the thought of making them have these metal suits, but with fabrics woven through and on top of the plates.
warm up sketches
trying to work on expressions and gesture
snippert from wib
mmm mmm spooky shit
>>2273493
mang you gotta add in some light n chit to push that form and have him read in space n shit get dat light get dim forms get dat booty swiggity swooty
feel me dawg
>>2273516
very muddy
>>2272591
Thanks, mate. You're right. I reviewed the sticky and I think the problem lies in that I need to review perspective studies.
To explain why I did it symbolically, though: I'm doing the Watts atelier course, which has heavy emphasis on copying the drawings of Jeff Watts first. This was one such master copy. One way or the other, it seems to be a working system, since my work in general has improved a lot.
But thank you for the feedback, I will keep it in mind.
>>2273467
> fuck it
yeah that's what I would do
What is up with the Draw Thread this time? Really cool stuff in here
>>2272795
Well, I base the anatomy from the reference I used. Her proportion may not be ideal but they were real. Thanks though.
>>2272819
Yeah the definitly look better, especially if you add some occulusion further in the neck to define the jaw line a little better. The reference had some exadurated darks I think, I don't actually know If they occured like that naturally or if it was editing but i prefere the more subtle gradiant in yours. Great input, thanks!
>>2273331
>I don;t know what's going on.
It is supposed to be a fisherman on a boat from frog perspective, you can see the guys rowing and a bit of ocean as well, it not very clear what is happening I'm afraid.
