If Adam and Eve didn't disobey God, they wouldn't experience suffering.
Why did God create the unfair rule that original sin is passed down from parents to children which prevents him from offering me the same choice?
Why couldn't he have simply punished Adam & Eve THEN allowed Cain, Abel, and Seth to make their own choices?
>>996791
because fuck you god makes the rules you just play the game and obey the rules faggot
Because God is a fictional entity created by people who understood less about moral than random first world teenage student.
>unfair
have a cry about it
or turn to jesus so that your suffering ends. that's your choice
>>996800
If God really wants you to do something he can just force you to do it with his omnipotent powers. Any punishment is unnecessary sadism from his part.
>>996800
>because fuck you god makes the rules
>you just play the game and obey the rules faggot
...soooo you're saying God is a muslim?
>>996807
I don't get it
God needed to kill himself to forgive people for having original sin that he gave them?
That's odd
>>996815
>unnecessary
>>996819
I am not in a mood to speling corectlly
>>996817
how is it odd? it fulfills scripture
he didn't give it to people anyway. satan tricked them into ingesting it
before you say it, there were actually two trees in the garden. the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. jesus is the tree of life. man chose the other tree. the rest of human society has been reversing that decision in order to get man to consume the tree of life instead. all scripture comes down to this one point
>>996828
> satan tricked them
God could say something like don't believe Satan lies or don't create Satan at the first place.
>>996840
*farts*
>>996828
>he didn't give it to people anyway
Then how did they suddenly become metaphysically changed so that most of humanity would be condemned to eternal misery?
Wouldn't it have been more ethical for Adam and Eve to refuse reproduction? Then God would have to start over again and get his perfect people without all the melodrama.
>satan tricked them into ingesting it
Why? And how?
Isn't Satan supposed to be in hell?
And why did all snakes get punished for what the devil did disguised as a snake?
>jesus is the tree of life
Why didn't he give Adam and Eve a head's up if he wandering around with them?
>consume the tree of life instead
Wait, so Adam and Eve were supposed to fucking EAT Jesus in the garden? What the hell is wrong with God?
Why didn't he just snap his fingers and end Satan's existence from all of spacetime?
God is evil. There is no point in denying it.
>>996866
What is evil?
>>996855
>most of humanity would be condemned to eternal misery?
they wouldn't though, because god's plan always involved the salvation of man
>Wouldn't it have been more ethical for Adam and Eve to refuse reproduction?
the thing about ethics is it relies on the constitution of the sinner to overcome his own sin, which is impossible and can only be done through christ's salvation
>Isn't Satan supposed to be in hell?
not until after the events of revelation which has yet to occur
>Why didn't he just snap his fingers and end Satan's existence from all of spacetime?
he essentially has. satan was defeated on the cross
>>996879
> not until after the events of revelation
Why not immediately?
>>996791
Genesis is a mash-up of different (and contradictory) traditions from the middle east. Basing your morals in that should be taken as a sign of mental illness.
Any decent intent of making christianism morally sound has always been based in the new testament and has ignored the barbarian lunacies of the old.
>>996879
>they wouldn't though, because god's plan always involved the salvation of man
Why didn't he prevent the fall in the first place?
A good person prevents tragedies, they don't wait until after the fact
Why does an all knowing and omnipotent being need a plan? If it wants anything to be it is
>the thing about ethics is it relies on the constitution of the sinner to overcome his own sin
So why didn't they just not have any children?
God could always just create more humans from scratch, preferably without a tree of doom in the garden
>which is impossible and can only be done through christ's salvation
Why? Many bad people have redeemed themselves
Why would anybody have to be tortured and killed for forgiveness? That's sadism and pettiness
>not until after the events of revelation which has yet to occur
So God allows super powered monsters to roam the world and torment people?
>he essentially has. satan was defeated on the cross
And all it took was thousands of years and untold suffering instead of vaporizing him the moment he disobeyed?
Had God done that then Adam and Eve wouldn't have even gotten the idea
God's failure to wring Satan from existence altogether is extremely immoral
Like allowing a murderer to run loose and only executing him after innocents have been victimized
>>996925
The god of Genesis is not almighty. He changes opinion, get deceived, has anger issues...
Later he got those metaphysical treats, such omniscience and being almighty, which when applied to the imperfect demon Yahweh of Genesis, lead to loads of nonsense.
>>996954
> He changes opinion
All mighty and even omniscient being can change its opinion. What is problem here?
>>996791
There is no original sin, Genesis,Exodus, and Leviticus are all make believe crap.
>>996828
>how is it odd?
its odd because its fucking ridiculous
first god gives humans original sin for something adam/eve did
then he arranges to have himself killed by humans which somehow undos the original sin which he gave us in the first place
and then some fucking christcuck tells me thay genesis is metaphorical which means it doesnt even fucking matter that jesus got crucified because there was never any original sin in the first place
and then if you point out how ludicrous all of this is you get called a fedora
fucking what
>>996791
negging tactic
>>996969
Jesus death was a metaphorical too
>>996961
If you know everything and have perfect intelligence, your opinion should be always perfect, thus changing opinion means that God first thoughts weren't perfect, therefore not the product of an omniscient mind.
>>996917
that's not what is said in scripture
>>996925
>Why didn't he prevent the fall in the first place?
why didn't man prevent the fall in the first place?
>If it wants anything to be it is
that is precisely what is happening
>So why didn't they just not have any children?
like i said, lack of constitution. the sin of the flesh will give in eventually
>Many bad people have redeemed themselves
not in a biblical sense
>Why would anybody have to be tortured and killed for forgiveness?
i don't know what this is in reference to
>So God allows super powered monsters to roam the world and torment people?
again, not sure what you're talking about
>God's failure to wring Satan from existence altogether is extremely immoral
he hasn't failed though. and god isn't 'moral' -- god is truth, justice, etc. human morals are the result of sin and the tree of knowledge. we're talking biblical terms not phil101
i'm not sure what the point is in this line of questioning though. either you believe or don't. i'm just illuminating some of the points, not trying to convert you
>>996969
humans ingested sin, it wasn't given to them by god
also you get called a fedora for not having an understanding of what you're talking about
>>996977
> your opinion should be always perfect
Maybe there is no objectively perfect opinion like there is no objectively best color in rainbow. Also God can just chose some bad opinions ironically.
>>996987
>humans ingested sin
That makes no logical sense
>>996791
It's True OP Eve screwed humanity over. Women are both a curse and blessing from God.
>>996991
it makes sense in the logic of the bible but either you buy into that belief system or for some bizarre reason you try to interpret the events of the bible through a belief system based on empiricism
>>996984
> why didn't man prevent the fall in the first place?
Satan was more powerful than man and only God can prevent his schemes.
>>996969
>and then if you point out how ludicrous all of this is you get called a fedora
Christianity is definitely an Emperor's New Clothes religion.
>>996987
>humans ingested sin
no, Adam and Eve ingested sin, i dindu nuffin
god decided that every human after them should carry the burden of their actions in the Garden of Eden
he didnt have to decide that, unless you think god is subordinate to the wishes of a magical piece of fruit that he himself created
>>996999
you inherited it. that's just how it works
>>997009
Are there explanation why that bad tree was here? It is like put poison at the buffet.
if god is so great why did he make it adam and eve and not adam and steve? eve is a cunt
>>996999
Adam never fell to the snakes lie. It was the woman who became deciever. If the snake were to approach the man he soundly would not hesitate to accuse it of treachery against God and destroy it right then and there. Thus the woman is the one who destroyed all of humanities hope first by being received and then by tempting her husband. This is why Catholics and most Protestants refuse to allow a woman into any role of authority with regards to teaching Scriptures or giving men instructions.
>>997017
it was there with the good tree. it's not like god created paradise then put a big self-destruct button in the centre. he presented man with a choice
>>996791
Ask protestants.
>>997009
>thats just how it works
god made it that way though! so why would he make it that way?
>>997022
irrelevant to my point
>>997047
who cares? the point is to accept christ and get rid of the sin
>>997067
If he really cares Jesus can just snap fingers and destroy the sin and if even God doesn't care why should we?
>>997067
>who cares that god acts in a way which makes him look like a retarded simpleton
>>996988
>Also God can just choose some bad opinions ironically
Ah yes, the venerable "just a prank bro!" school of theodicy.
>>996817
>...soooo you're saying God is a muslim?
Yes
>it's just a metaphor for how we choose between life and sin
>sin is embodied by knowledge and sapience
Shit metaphor for shit teachings, would not follow/10.
>>996791
What I was taught was that everyone does have the choice, but every sins at least once of their own volition.
God did not die to forgive our sins. God died to overcome death.
God adopted a human body in order to deify it. God became man so that man could become god.
