>germany takes moscow, stalingrad and leningrad with limited casualities
>japan sinks US carriers in pearl harbor, does not lose half of its navy at midway and destroys the panama canal
>italy sends its troops to fight alongside germany in the eastern front instead of invading random balkan and african nations
>d-day fails
I think this would have been enough for the Axis to win WW2, and everything I said would have been completely possible shouldn't Axis politicians and generals be such retards.
Do you agree?
>>977074
The Italians DID send troops to the Eastern Front though
>>977074
>if literally every decisive moment of WWII happened differently, WWII would have been different
wow
>>977074
>germany takes moscow, stalingrad and leningrad with limited casualities
Impossible. The Germans did not have the manpower or logistics to do so. Even a stronger drive to Moscow alone would have left the southern flank exposed to an entire Russian army group, which is why forces were diverted south to destroy it.
>japan sinks US carriers in pearl harbor, does not lose half of its navy at midway
First half is possible but ultimately only extends the war in the Pacific a year at the most, the Japs still lose regardless
>and destroys the panama canal
Impossibru. Not counting the fact the Japanese actually couldn't have made it that far because of a lack of fuel ships and fuel in general, they would have been utterly ravaged by land based aircraft and bombers and the amount of damage they actually could have done with aircraft alone is questionable. Coming in close enough to use their main guns would have definitely ended in the Japanese navy being sunk by land based defenses and land launched aircraft.
>italy sends its troops to fight alongside germany in the eastern front
They did.
>d-day fails
On what condition?
>I think this would have been enough for the Axis to win WW2
No because even if all of this happens the US and UK still win the air war, still bomb Germany to shit, and still get the Nuke first and turn Germany into a radioactive wasteland.
Japan still loses because the US still turns out more tonnage in one year (1943) than they do in six years combined. The US economy was eight times larger than the Japanese economy in 1938, by 1943 the US economy had quintupled.
Saying the Axis succeeds in everything is easy, explaining how is the hard part.
>>977074
>Germany takes Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad
And Operation Barbarossa would have expanded its scope to include taking the Ural Mountains, where Stalin put the bulk of The Soviet Union's wartime production.
>IJN manages to take out Pearl Harbor, Carriers and all, win Midway without horrific losses and take out the Panama Canal
The only thing that would have happened is that the Pacific War would shift to the China-Burma-India Theater. There would be no Doolittle raid and the war would have focused on the liberation of Southeast Asia. Congrats on dragging WW2 on for at least 3-5 years.
>muh italy
Pointless speculation. Italian troops were shit because they had zero clue how to actually army, their generals were so incompetent that it made HITLER look competent in comparison and all their military doctrine was literally outdated by 1942.
>Dieppe was D-Day
That's probably the only thing that makes sense here. But with more Axis troops tied up at the Urals, it doesn't matter at this point. The Allies would have learnt how to stage an amphibous invasion via the CBI theater.
The only way the tide would have turned is if American Lend-lease wasn't a thing and if America backed Japan during WW2. Japan would have been able to make inroads into the Soviet Union with American help (No Khalkin Gol), no Pearl Harbor meant that the USN and the IJN would have worked together, and North Africa would have been a lot different.
Again, this is all conjecture and I am probably wrong.
>>977074
absolutely not.
How would you propose such a scenario even to be feasible for a hypothetical analysis? The Eastern Front is bigger than anything Axis troops could handle hands down. Same With the ridiculous amount seized by Japan.
Id say the best route could have been all of Africa through Finland, and force Britain and US into a surrender. Stalin could have and probably would have turned but fuck get your shit together first and then hit stalin.
>>977094
It had it's memetic qualities i'm sure.
>D-Day Fails
>Allies are still in Italy
>>977168
that's because he attacked the people staunchly pro communist and exterminated the people who would have turned heel and attacked Stalin.
He could have armed the Ukranian slavs and watched from the sidelines as they torn into the people who caused a decade of famine
>>977074
Does magic and fairies exist in this mythical fantasy universe as well?
Even if Germany took Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad, all the Soviet heavy industry was in the Urals, and with out some kind of interference from the Japs, the Eastern troops would still be on their way to start rolling back the Germans. The Germans just didn't have the logistical capacity to take over that much territory and fight a hardened enemy, the entire war was predicated on Hitler's ludicrous notion that the Soviet Union would fall apart as soon as he knocked on the door (and it actually might have if his officers hadn't treated the locals like shit)
Japan killing the carriers at Pearl ( and thus avoiding Midway entirely) would have just delayed the inevitable, they never had the industrial power to keep up with the US. As for knocking out Panama, how do you propose they do that? The Fleet barely made it to Hawaii with the fuel they had, Panama was entirely out of their reach. Even if by magic they did destroy the locks at Panama, the shipyards of the West Coast would still be able to outproduce the Japs.
As for Italy, their strength was always negligible, and would've had minimal effect on the Eastern Front, even if they agreed to support Germany in the invasion of Russia, of which they would gain no territory or advantage to their own ambitions.
>>977074
No, I don't agree, you're retarded for thinking these are plausible notions.
The Germans were at the end of their logistical tether, and quite a bit beyond it during the 1941 rush. Taking enormous cities on top of that, for limited casualties is extremely difficult.
The Japanese sinking U.S. carriers is a stroke of bad luck, not something that can be attributed to bad generalship or politicking. Midway could have been avoided, but there's no way in hell carrier based vessels are knocking out the Panama canal. Hell, I'm not even sure they can reach it from the Marshalls and make it back to a friendly port. In any case, enormous U.S. industrial efforts make these things meaningless. When you have 30+ Essex class vessels bearing down on you, you just get crushed.
Italy did send troops on the eastern front, and they were unmotorized and of limited effectiveness. And you can't afford to just ignore Yugoslavia; the entry of Greece into the war did little.
If D-Day failed, Dragoon would have taken up the slack.
The Axis would still lose WW2.
>>977074
More realistic scenario.
>Churchill gets hit by a car while stumbling around drunk in the street one day, gets remembered by history as the guy that planned Gallipoli and got thousands of people killed
>Zhukov gets shot during Stalin's Purge, Mongolian Army Group command is given to some incompetent shithead
>America stays neutral the whole time (maybe FDR loses the election or something), Cash-Carry and Lend-Lease are never a thing
>Instead of throwing a hissy-fit over the bombing of Berlin, Hitler continues to have the Luftwaffe go after the RAF and their Airfields, RAF collapses, and without Winny in office, and few supplies from the Americans, surrenders
>Barbarossa happens like normal, but more manpower can be allocated due to the surrender of Britain
>Japan wins at Khalkhin Gol, the IJA now has the impetus to go ahead with plans for an invasion of Siberia, thus no Pearl Harbor, America stays out of the war for the time being, and Russia keeps their Eastern armies in the East in preparation for a Japanese attack
>Not having to face hardened Soviet troops from the east and with increased manpower the Germans now start pushing the Soviets back again, Japan gets involved and the soviets are now stuck in a two front war
>War drags on but eventually the Soviets either surrender or collapse under the weight of both German and Japan
>WW2 over Axis Victory
and really that all relies on luck and a fair amount of handwaving, the Axis winning is just not realistic.
>>977074
ITT:axiboo fantasy
>>977168
>He wanted Russians to turn on leaders
Naah man. Hitler actually wanted to exterminate slavs and secure lebensraum in such a way Hitler admired America's native American example.
>>977282
>What is the oldest meme in America, senator?
It's this.
>>977074
>>germany takes moscow, stalingrad and leningrad with limited casualities
>>japan sinks US carriers in pearl harbor, does not lose half of its navy at midway and destroys the panama canal
>>italy sends its troops to fight alongside germany in the eastern front instead of invading random balkan and african nations
>>d-day fails
So... Alien Space Bats, then?
>>977074
We have a saying in my country:
"If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle"
>>977160
And southern france. Everyone always forgets about Dragoon.
>>977074
German victory had very little guidelines. For it to be declared a full victory I would say that Britian would have to be taken, which would be hard considering American focus would be heavier in Europe without the Panema being there.
