Law is talked about so little on /his/. Let's change that.
a) Where are you studying?
b? Are you enjoying it?
c) What is your favourite area of law?
d) The area of law you have had the most trouble comprehending?
e) The area of law most commonly misunderstood by laymen?
f) Who is your favourite judge?
I have to go with my man, Lord Denning for the last one. Great legal mind; decided to be Master of the Roll instead of the more prestigious but less involved House of Lords. Here he harassed the judgments of the House of Lords, favouring more equitable and sensible law, which earned him the nickname "The People's Judge".
>studying esoteric bullshit to empower the rich and powerful
shit tier major/10
>>969198
>to empower the rich and powerful
Are the poor not empowered by enforcement of a contract they entered into with a multinational company? The claimant/plaintiff developing a complex area of law might be rich and powerful -- for they are the parties who have the financial means to further their legal argument to the highest level -- but the law developed protects everyone.
>>969366
>Are the poor not empowered by enforcement of a contract they entered into with a multinational company?
It depends.
>>969198
Gommie detected. Gommunism is a spook btw.
>>969042
I've thought about going into law, but I've heard that it's extremely hard to get a job right now.
I'm going to study European Law next year in Uni of Maastricht, a-am I allowed in the thread OP?
>>969366
>he actually believes that laws designed by the rich and powerful proportionally benefits everyone and not just the rich and powerful
retard/10
>>969042
a)Tax law
b)Yeah, worried about about how Panama papers will affect my job prospects
c)Tax/property law
d) I found criminal law to be rather boring most of the times, international law isn't me strong point either but what I really hated was the law concerning the government i.e. building permit shit
e)Legal science probably since most people don't see law as a science. Close second would be elementary stuff like contracts and consumer protection laws.
f)No clue.
>>969042
>a) Where are you studying?
Germany
>b) Are you enjoying it?
Well it is a lot of work, that's for sure
>c) What is your favourite area of law?
Öffentliches Recht (public??? law) is what is the easiest to me. I think German private and contract law is the most beautiful though.
d) The area of law you have had the most trouble comprehending?
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>e) The area of law most commonly misunderstood by laymen?
Mist Germans do not seem to have a solid grasp on the way their constitution works t.bh
>f) Who is your favourite judge?
I don't have a favourite judge, I'm not some Common Law cuck
>>969399
I was referring to the individual enforcing the contract against the multinational, to be clear.
Great judge. He's mentioned extensively in English judgments.
>>969466
It is.
>tfw OCI interviewer from Paul Hastings said that I seemed like a great candidate but human resources had told him the firm was looking for hires that would increase diversity
>>969198
>>969042
>Law is talked about so little on /his/.
There used to be daily law threads up until like a month ago. I suppose you can only shitfling about civil vs common law so much before getting tired.
>>969042
The market is shit in the US at the moment, so I'm leery about going into law school. I'm not brown or female so money isn't going to come my way and the thought of going ~150k in the hole so I can write esq. at the end of my name isn't that appealing. If I really want to take the jump, I'll work until I find some organization willing to foot the bill for me so I can become in-house council or work on the legal and legislative end of policy advocacy.
I can literally get paid to go to grad school with a fellowship/assistantship instead and avoid adulthood until that point. Wish me luck, /his/.
I have a fondness for Justice Robert Jackson. Nothing quite like BTFO nazis, government agencies, and putting a check on the power of the executive. His support of a wiretapping bill back in the 40s was weak shit, but he learned quick enough.
>>969470
By all means prospective students are welcome.
>European Law
By which you mean European Union law? Why is it so restrictive? Will you study criminal, contract, and all these different things -- only that there will be a particular emphasis on EU?
>>969496
>found criminal to be rather boring
With the exception of tax, public law is generally quite boring and dry. Either too emotional (family, criminal) or too restrictive to be exciting (constitutional).
>Panama Papers
People will always need tax lawyers. Now they have even more need of them.
>>969597
I'm not sure I'm going to take a bachelor and go from there. I don't know what to expect.
>>969491
Go and bait another thread.
>>969521
Ugh are law firms really trying to push the racist left-wing agenda too now? I thought it was bad enough in the business world. It's literally the only time in the past 1000 years that being a white male is bad, and I can say I was here.
>>969633
I think you'll find EU law quite fun. It has a reputation of being quite dry, but once you get into the depths of it it really comes alive.
Best of luck.
>>969652
Thanks, man. I'm excited. The prof told me in later years we're gonna learn public speaking and fuck around with virtual reality.
>>969652
>Supporting EU imperial expansion
shiggy
But seriously thank god for their consumer protection and all that. >>969662
Why Maastricht if I might ask?
>>969641
>Ugh are law firms really trying to push the racist left-wing agenda too now?
>asking this question post-Obergefell
>>969670
Because I live in the Netherlands and it was either Leiden or Maastricht. And I'm not the fratboy type so I went to look at MS. Very nice city and they speacialise in international shit, so I picked EU law.
>>969670
I never said I supported it. I said I found the law enjoyable to read.
>>969662
>public speaking and virtual reality
What do you mean?
>>969680
Ah alright, best of luck scraping by without stufi
>>969713
Prof said that we can use google glasses that checks and shows how fast you're talking and gives you instant feedback. And even will they hologram important people like Clinton to watch you when you speak.
>>969721
I can borrow no problem.
>>969739
Yes but you will have to pay denbts
8k and counting here ;_;
>>969755
Shit man. But if your career doesn't take off you don't have to pay them right? I have 10k on my savings, do you think that's adequate?
>>969466
Even if the degree doesn't lead onto a legal career, the degree is well-respected and gives you valuable transferable skills useful in business. Assuming you do it at a decent uni, you should be OK.
>>969766
You have to pay them if you make more than minimum wage.
If all else fails, you can always go on bijstand and live the NEET life.
>>969766
Not sure to be honest, but 10k
2k tuition fee per annum
600 on books per annum
300 x 12 on housing = 3600 on housing
Mobile phone, food, beer = differs per person.
Got a jerb?
>>969826
I can find a job I guess. Borrow some more. I can split the rent with a roommate.
>>969826
>600 on books
Are these books laced in gold and diamonds?
>>969842
Shitty paperback mostly, on top of that you should get used to spending 40-50 bucks on a 100 page printout reader sold by the uni.
>>969777
Is this a thing though? I've never heard of someone going through the rigors of law school and then not going directly into law in some form. I mean I might as well just go for an MBA if that's the case.
>>969889
Well, what do you suppose the JDs who struggle to penetrate the profession end up doing with their lives? Living in squalor, hoping for a better tomorrow?
I don't think the legal profession is so difficult to penetrate that you should think of your JD merely as a means by which you can get a decent job in business. Rather, a JD provides a decent chance of entering the legal profession, which if not realised will allow you to enter the business world.
>>969873
Do you not have a library? Access to online resources? I spent barely 80 on my books this year.
>>969921
I hate reading of a screen and ebooks tend to be like 60-70% of the original price anyways. Mostly books released less than 12 months ago so they're not online.
>>969951
Where are you studying? What level?
Why do they wear those gay wigs?
>>969962
Because they serve in an order which probably predates your country and so has quirky traditions.
>>969957
Law, third year.
>>969987
Where at though, bud?
>>969914
I feel like if you've gotten a JD and are unable to find a job in law, you've kind of failed at life. I mean it probably does open a lot of nice doors in business, but I can't imagine it would be any better than an MBA.
>>970003
Amsterdam
>>969972
Is being a smug cocksucker also one of your "quirky" traditions?
>>970021
What is the most expensive law book you've bought? How many do you buy each year?
>>970025
Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
>>970011
It's better than an MBA because it opens doors to law, which an MBA does not.
>>970049
Depends on the course - single most expensive book was 60 bucks, but I commonly need three, four or even five books for every 8 week term.
>>970113
I am studying tort, land, EU and commercial. I have one textbook for each and one statute book.
These are all year-long subjects, as well.
>>970122
Different methods I reckon. We have two semesters a year each divided into two 8 week terms and one 4 week term. Each term typically has two courses each requiring an entire textbook and sometimes two plus jurisprudence.
>>970135
You're being robbed.
H-Hey guys are paralegals allowed in these threads?
>>970292
Sure. Welcome aboard.
Have anything to share?
>>970292
Sure. Anyone who says no is just jealous that you get to do law stuff without $500,000 in student loans.
>literally no one mentions where they are studying
third-tier law schools thread
>>970355
If you want to mention yours, then by all means do that.
>>970372
Columbia
>>970376
You're studying for your JD at Columbia Law School? My time on 4chan tells me this is probably not true.
>>970402
sorry not everyone goes to shit school
>>970440
>goes to shit school
I think it more likely you go to a Columbian law school than Columbia Law School, bud. Just a hunch.
>>970456
>>970477
I don't know why people like you come onto these threads to lie about themselves. It's quite worrying.
>>969042
Is "cyber law" an actual field yet?
Like...internet stuff?
>>970494
It is, but few people practice it owing its nicheness.
Do you guys know of a place or a means by which one can ask ethics questions anonymously?
Like "I did [something] while in law school, could that be grounds for discipline?"
>>970494
>the best way to learn the law applicable to specialized endeavors is to study general rules. Lots of cases deal with sales of horses; others deal with people kicked by horses; still more deal with the licensing and racing of horses, or with the care veterinarians give to horses, or with prizes at horse shows. Any effort to collect these strands into a course on 'The Law of the Horse' is doomed to be shallow and to miss unifying principles.
>>970857
Not that poster, but family concerns public law -- how families are governed. Cyber covers contract, company, international commercial, criminal, tort, IP. It's diverse with very little connecting it other than computers.
>>970762
I'm totally an expert in bird law.
>>970857
>We're really smart.
But you're not experts and you're certainly not jurisdiction-specific experts.
>>970890
How can you be certain that we're not experts of your jurisdiction? Do you attend a one-man law school?
So let me just ask.
Can someone be disciplined for a wrong which was (1) committed or allegedly committed roughly a year before being admitted to the bar and months before even receiving a law degree, and (2) unrelated to the practice of law?
This in a US state, of course.
>>970919
You mean, violating the rules of professional ethics?
Some crimes and activities will be a hindrance or bar to getting a license, if it bears on moral character. In California, at least (and I assume all states, there's a perfunctory questionnaire you need to fill out confirming that you haven't pledged allegiance to Nazi Germany 'n' shizzle.
>>970919
The bar association is infamous for sanctioning lawyers who "conceal" things from them. Even an unrelated misdemeanor should really be disclosed.
>>970954
But there were never any criminal proceedings or anything like that.
The thing is I've got someone threatening to contact the bar and accuse me of committing a federal felony over the course of a month about a year before my being amitted to practice (this week). It's well in the past and, ignoring the statute, wasn't immoral. I'm freaking out but wondering what the bar can do if no one presses any charges.
>>971111
You're fucked. But at least you have quads.
>>971122
The "victim" would be required to press charges in order for me to be charged. I doubt she would. What, is the bar gonna conduct a full-blown criminal trial of its own accord?
>>971111
If you weren't convicted, I doubt they'd care.
I don't even understand what you mean by accusing you to the bar. Is there a hotline or something?
>>971157
How else would attorneys get in trouble for misconduct? How else would people report them?
>>971166
Isn't that what the board of professional responsibility is for?
>>971111
>The thing is I've got someone threatening to contact the bar
Is this person using the threat as a lever against you, akin to extortion? That'd be a no-no that you you can turn against them. Using the loss of a professional license against someone has to be done VERY carefully, even when there is a legitimate underlying claim.
>>971172
I figure extortion would mean that he's trying to get some property from me. As in he would have to actually materially benefit, right?
>>971166
If there's a bona fide grievance about something, they're safest just to report it.
If they monkey around with a veiled threat about the loss of a license, using it to get something out of the lawyer, doc, whatever licensed professional, they're on shaky ground. There are ways to do it, but just as many ways to have it bite the monkey in the monkey butt.
>>971182
It's not limited to property, at all. Just compelling you to do something. And material benefit is vague... like... "i'm gonna report you for XYZ if you don't gimme blowjobs" would count.
>>971198
Well this guy is the jealous, abusive, violent, angry, evil, crazy boyfriend type so I believe his motive right now is just to make me live in permanent terror of the hammer being brought down on me. I wonder how "material" that is.
>>971223
His only saving grace would be a legitimate underlying claim, handled with great care. You can either wait it out and see if anything comes of it, by which time you're probably screwed and can only sue him for loss of income or possibly bring it to the DA for a criminal offense (not sure about that one).
I'd consider researching the ins-and-outs of threats to threats against licensure, and then send him a somewhat aggressive letter, letting him know that it's in his best interest not to pursue the matter in such a way. But it might make him more cagey and tactful, and lawful about it. But, you know, keep a record of his insane activities, start a diary if you haven't done so already, and retain all evidence (copies of e-mails, voicemails, etc., and collect favorable witnesses).
>>971287
Thanks, man. I'm gonna be turning this over in my head for a while.
We should have regular legal advice threads.
I plan on specializing in elder law.
>easy as fuck to rip off oblivious clients
>infinite amount of families fighting over every last penny from their rich grandpa that can be charged by the hour.
>>971389
Yeah, but then you'd have to talk to old people...
>>971392
This sounds glib, but it's so true. It'd be tolerable for a week or two, a month or two. A couple years in ... all those grandson stories would build up into one clusterfuck of rage.
>>971389
That sounds more like probate law. Elder law is when they're still alive and never shut up.
Are there any UK students in here? I'm looking at another round of pupillage applications and losing the will to live.
>>969198
>saying that in a world where Tort and Employment law exist
>University of Law in London
>Yes i'm enjoying it
>Public Law, not sure why. The UK Constitution fascinates me in particular
>Equity. I just haven't had it click for me yet, the idea of a parallel system that has lingered on long after much of its use has evaporated boggles my mind at times
>EU law is the most misunderstood
>Glidewell
Denning is a wild card and I have mixed feelings about him. The guy was too obsessed with fairness for the little guy to the detriment of clarity and common sense. High Trees is a perfect example of that. He didn't think the rules applied to him.
Been playing some Attorney Online in the past few days, it's fun as fuck and I heartily recommend it.
>>971304
Probably only tangentially relevant but...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_turpi_causa_non_oritur_actio
I doubt it'd have any bearing on the issue, but i'm sure the principle applies in some manner.
In regard to my earlier ethical concerns, it turns out that in my jurisdiction the person who was victim of the conduct must be the one to report the conduct. (I assume that's not necessarily true if it's reported by another lawyer but whatever).
And even if the committee on professional ethics decides to look into it, it's not like a trial really. There's no arrest or indictment or discovery or anything. They begin by relaying the allegations to the accused and asking for his response.
In light of both those facts, I should be safe. She won't report me (of her own volition) and even if she did, I've got a perfectly good defense.
>>973693
UK here. Which uni you from? Which sets you looking at?
>>971169
I know a few lawyers and they all speak of this organization with genuine fear.
Are they really that scary?
>>975400
BPP for BPTC or undergrad?
What have you done in the past three years to make your app more competitive? Though about LLM?
>>975626
BPP for GDL and BPTC.
In the last three years I've done a year paralegalling, eighteen months (something like a) county court advocate, three months in Africa volunteering on legal and consulting work, and I'm just about to go the US to do the same. I have added accreditation as a mediator to my skills as well, having funding to do the same in arbitration in September.
>>975692
Go big or go home. Have you not looked for funding? Seems as if almost all barristers have LLMs/BCLs these days. But don't be discouraged. I think Lord Neuberger said it took him about 3 turns, even in the 70s.
>>974870
They sanction you, give you a plaque that says "I am a bad lawyer", and make you hang it prominently in your office.
If you don't, one of the people that pose as clients to investigate firms will notice, and they'll sanction you for that too.
They're scary.
How do I keep from killing myself when she chooses an abusive fuckface faggot over me?
>>969042
A) Auckland
B) yup, just got offered a clerkship
C) Probably Employment or Tort law at the moment, although I only just started my third year
D) at the moment, probably land law
E) what fucking rights people have. Jesus Christ nothing sets me off more than "hurr durr the bill of rights 1666 gives me the right to do this"
F) I'll have to agree with my man Denning. Non cricket loving shits get out
>>970494
Not sure about other jurisdictions, but in NZ we've recently had a few development regarding what can and can't be put online. It'll be interesting to see how these limits develop with regards to free expression rights moving forward
