Han Chinese are currently the largest ethnic group, at about 20% of the world pop.
What were the previous largest ethnic groups in history? What do you think the next big ethnic group will be?
>>964457
It's probably been Han Chinese for millennia.
>>964457
How did the Han Chinese even manage to be such a large ethnic group?
There also isn't much of a difference between Italians and Spaniards, but woe on you if you say they're the same.
How the hell did the Chinese convince people from such a vast area that they're somewhat similar countrymen?
Is it possible to discuss 'ethnic groups' apart from the identity concepts associated with them? How old is the concept of Han identity?
>>964457
The next big group will be Francophone Africans, I can't really think more specific than that.
>How the hell did the Chinese convince people from such a vast area that they're somewhat similar countrymen?
They didn't, the Han have replaced the other populations of China
>>964480
Is Han even an ethnic group? It is as reliable description of an ethnicity as 'Roman' is. Han is considered of various ethnic groups that previously got BTFO by pic related and would be sinonized by various dynasties, espesially the Han and Tang Dynasty, hence the name.
Also, genocide and massive food surplus I guess.
>>964494
>They didn't, the Han have peacefully assimilated the other populations of China
FTFY.
Also the Han ethnic group isn't as monolithic as people make it out to be. I think they did some genetic studies and showed there was a north south divide
>>964509
>studies and showed there was a north south divide
t. ip man
>>964509
> I think they did some genetic studies and showed there was a north south divide
Yes, though there is not much difference considering people have moved throughout the Chinese empire for centuries. Even Han Chinese with green and red hair have more common genetics with the rest of China than anywhere else.
Also a fun fact, Chiang had to sometime communicate in Japanese with his Han Chinese generals because it was usally the only language they had in common.
>>964509
There's a north-south divide in quite a few countries. China isn't anything special in this regard, even if the divide is a bit more pronounced than, say, Germany.
>>964512
Yip Man, you philistine. Also Yip Man went to a western university which I'm sure supported this point of view...
>>964457
>What do you think the next big ethnic group will be?
mulattos
>>964552
Grey race when?
>>964457
>Cantonese people are considered Han, despite their language
>Taiwanese are also Han, even though they are practically another nation
they are a huge ethnic group only because they became categorized as one nation, it doesn't mean that they are culturally homogeneous. the same goes for languages, Chinese dialects are more apart than Slavic languages, but they are still considered one language, because muh nationalism.
>>964494
Almost all of them were peacefully assimilated. The rest were exterminated.
>>964499
>Han is considered of various ethnic groups that previously got BTFO by pic related and would be sinonized by various dynasties, espesially the Han and Tang Dynasty, hence the name.
Wrongo. By a wide margin.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaxia
Even before the Empire they considered themselves of one race, but under different states & cultures. As a whole, the people that would become "Han Chinese" called themselves the "Hua" (Illustrious) peoples, who all shared "Huaxia" which is a sort of ethno-cultural identity that despite the fact that they live in different countries, they shared a cultural identity that for them spoke of civilization compared to the "Yi" (Barbarians), semi-nomadic hunter gatherers that surrounded their civilization.
Just where do you think Qin Shi Huangdi's "I MUST UNITE THE WARRING STATES UNDER ONE BANNER." Complex came from, if not the recognition of an encompassing identity between all of them.
This emerged sometime before the Shang Dynasty supposedly by the confederacy of tribes living along the Yellow River united by the semi-legendary Xia Dynasty when a legendary tribal chief, Yu the Engineer, sailed the Yellow River and united the proto-chinks in an effort to dam the great floods of the Yellow River. Supposedly the natural geographic landmark now known as "The Three Gorges" was the result of this effort. Anyhow, the cunt united the Yellow River tribes into one big tribe called the "Hua."
The "Han" appellation really was thanks to the Han Dynasty, but the concept of Huaxia survives to this day. For example the Han Chinese -when asked their race- will reply either "Han" or "Huaren," (Huapeople) the la
What resembles Roman is the concept of "Zhongguo" Identity or Middle Kingdom Identity. Which emerged under the Empire as a way to include all those non-Hua they absorbed along the way. Though it still involved Hua-Yi (Civilized/Barbarian) Distinction as a Barbarian can only be Chinese if he subscribed to "Hua/Han" Culture.
>>964564
>Taiwanese are not Han
They literally are Han Chinese by every definition. Just because your autistic doesn't change the fact 90% of Taiwanese are Hokkien or one generation from Hokkien.
>Chinese language is more disparate than Slavic
No
>>964570
Thanks for the correction, though weren't the Chu considered Semi-Barbarians?
>>964480
>There also isn't much of a difference between Italians and Spaniards
Same level of difference than between italians and french or germans. Don't let yourself be memed.
>>964584
Yeap, on account for settling near the Yue Barbarians and other Southern Chinese Tribes.
The Qin as well were derided as Semi-Barbarians by its rivals, as during the Zhou Dynasty, the Duchy of Qin accepted a lot of "Rong" Barbarians who were a bunch of really ancient Horse Nomads whom the Duke of Qin was tasked to keep out, but had to accept some of the "Rong" refugees for tips on horse breeding. Mastery of horse breeding was pretty much the Specialty of the Qin Duchy that made them important to the Zhou Kingdom.
Funny thing: this is what Stormfront uses as evidence for the China's supposedly "White Founders." As some of the "Rong" included the Tocharians. But the "Rong" also included Ancient Tibetans and was really just a byword for any barbarian from the direction of the West during the Zhou Period.
>>964489
Or anglophone. Nigeria is growing extremely fast and big
>>964578
Go compare a man from Tianjin and another from Guangzhou. In any other situation, these two men would be classified as separate ethnicities.
>>964614
Yeah and only a few speak proper english.
French Africa is growing faster.
>>964578
>Taiwanese are not Han
This is what """"""""""independentists"""""""""" believe.
Sun Yat-sen and Chiang Kai-Shek are rolling in their graves.
"Hindustani" aka Poo in Loos aka Designated Street Shitters
>>964630
What makes you think they speak french to to such a degree?
>>964570
So the same as the Indians with their concept of aryanness?
>>964640
Memes aside, it probably will be India for a little while until one of the African countries catches up
>>964651
Most rational Indians don't think that.
t. Indian
>>964612
>Funny thing: this is what Stormfront uses as evidence for the China's supposedly "White Founders." As some of the "Rong" included the Tocharians. But the "Rong" also included Ancient Tibetans and was really just a byword for any barbarian from the direction of the West during the Zhou Period.
Makes me cringe every time. At least March of the Titans does not go WE WUZ tier
>>964630
But french speaking africans are of multiple ethnicities. Which is one of the reasons why they speak french, so they can communicate between tribes with different languaged. A lingua franca, as it were...
Even in each separate country there's a lot of different ethnicities.
There always exist natural hierarchy in the nature. Look at the ants, bees and the mosquitoes that breed and multiply in those dense jungle swamps in a mindless endless producing and replicating swarms of mindless substance and quantity.
The aryan race is different, they are loftier animals such as the Eagles or the admirable Lion. The Top-Predator. This is way through history we have always seen the vastly outnumbered superiore white race subjugating these subhuman insect-like "civilizations" under our rule and dominating them with our superior intelligence and hiearchial state in human evolution.
Truly, the white man marches on.
>>964749
>March of the Titans
>Googles
Wow, this actually exists.
>>964700
not current day ones you faggot.
>>964457
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2014/12/22/371672272/the-khoisan-once-were-kings-of-the-planet-what-happened
There was a point where the Khoisan were the most common people on the planet, beating out every other race. Now they're considered second class citizens by black Bantu and Afrikaaners/British South Africans.
Is there a better JUST race?
>>964570
>Huaxia meme
The concept of Zhongguo/Xia/Hua dates to the Eastern Zhou. There's no consensus whether Hua represented an ethnic/cultural/geographical region.
Shang interacted with various Fang polities(方) some of which were definitely non Sinitic and had their Western Zhou parallels.
Early Qin considered themselves the same as the rest of the Zhuxia though that wasn't the case later on,Chu was barbarian polity that adopted aspects of Hua civilization.
>>964796
How are Khoisan not black?
>>964835
Race is a social construct, by our definition of black they are not black because they're more tan than other Sub Saharan Africans
>>964480
Nomadic rebellions/invasions forced Han migration to the upper/middle/lower Yangtze. Sinicized elites adopted Han ancestry regardless of whether there was any actual Han migration.
>>964509
There's a lot more genetic diversity in the south,Hunanese Han cluster with ethnic Tujia,Fujianese and Hakka cluster with She,Cantonese are slightly shifted to Zhuang.
>>964939
But it's trucking arbitrary as fuck because if Khoi aren't black then a fuckton of Africans aren't Black.
>>964992
Black is used to describe physical appearance, like a brown skin color, afro-textured hair, full lips, and wide nostrils. However, it's more or less meaningless when it comes to genetics, as Africans are the most genetically diverse people on the planet, especially Pygmies and Khoisan, not to mention the very isolated hunter-gatherer groups that are distinct from everyone else.
>>964992
Now you see why they say race is a social construct.
What are the actual ethnicities of Chinese?
They can't possibly all by Han
>>966086
Most Chinese see themselves as Han. Regional identeties are pretty much dead thanks to Qin's reforms.
>>966086
Still Han, but regional differences make for dramatic differences in lifestyle, attitude and custom, well used to. Since media and entertainment is now taking off in China, you see greater homogenization toward one culture and even among non-Han minorities alarmingly. For example the Manchu, Tujia and Zhuang were originally non-Sinitic in origin, but are now firmly considered Chinese/Chinese ethnos due to heavy intermarriage
>>966903
As time passes these groups are actually becoming more Han Chinese Sinitic than their original ethnic origins due to descendants of intermarriage between minority and Han being classified as minority. Intermarriage is sadly more common than marriage within ethnic group, since Han Chinese vastly outnumber minorities and joining minorities lets you receive more benefits, for example more children in the family. You have Manchus that are really only 25% Manchu from a grandparent, besides those Han Chinese who have completely fabricated Manchu identity without a single traceable Manchu ancestor
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>>964570
How much of Han is still Han though?
>>964819
Hence "Supposedly."
Also under the Zhou Period, "Zhongguo"was pretty much a regional/geographic term. Its association with a state emerged under the early Imperial Period.
>>967585
Retard tier logic. I guess this is why you can't tell the difference between Persians and Chinese right?
>>964656
Indians are FAR more divided ethnically than Chinese. It's like going from South Europe to Mali when going from foot of Himalayas to the tip of the subcontinent.
Imagine an Alternate universe where Europe is one big nation and everyone speaks some version of Latin or French and regional dialects like German are dying out.
Meanwhile in East Asia there's a whole bunch of nations there each with their own language like Hakka or Cantonese.
>>964480
Had Rome managed to hang on to the present day, I'm sure the majority of Europe would call itself Roman in one form or another.
>>964499
That's like asking if "French" or "English" is an ethnic group.
>>964457
Nigerians.
>>967471
是了
>>964509
>the Han have peacefully assimilated the other populations of China
Is this a joke?
>>969875
No that's what the Chinese living in Canada and Australia like to claim. I guarantee most of the pro Chinese posts come from them
>>964509
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindandao_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinhai_Revolution
>>964992
All humans that are not Khoi or north african are black in Africa.
>>965440
Race is a polite way to say "human subspecies".
>>970646
>Many revolutionaries promoted anti-Qing/anti-Manchu sentiments and revived memories of conflict between the ethnic minority Manchu and the ethnic majority Han Chinese from the late Ming dynasty (1368–1644). Leading intellectuals were influenced by books that had survived from the last years of the Ming dynasty, the last dynasty of Han Chinese. In 1904, Sun Yat-sen announced that his organization's goal was "to expel the Tatar barbarians, to revive Zhonghua, to establish a Republic, and to distribute land equally among the people." (驅除韃虜, 恢復中華, 創立民國, 平均地權).[18] Many of the underground groups promoted the ideas of "Resist Qing and restore Ming" (反清復明) that had been around since the days of the Taiping Rebellion.[28] Others, such as Zhang Binglin, supported straight-up lines like "slay the manchus" and concepts like "Anti-Manchuism" (興漢滅胡 / 排滿主義).[29]
>>970834
>harmonious multicultural paradise
Yeah if you consider being forced to wear your hair in a humiliating fashion harmonious I guess. The only reason the Qing aren't spit on because their empire gives/gave legitimacy to successors claiming Tibet etc
>>971242
this actually confuses me, because outside of the fact they sound entirely different my understanding is grammatically dialects are identical unless you are comparing like uighurs or non sinic groups?
