What race were the huns?
I mean obviously they were Turkic, but for sake of argument what race?
>>960142
>Turkic
>Mongol
They weren't either. They're ancestors to the Avars/Hungarians.
>>960144
Definitely not. They were not an Iranic people.
>>960142
Proto-mongolic, but at the end of their kingdom, they were a mixture of slavs, germans and other people.
black african, made the mistake of racemixing with the chinese which is why mongols look like they do today
>>960142
The roman sources say that he looks very much eastern or mongolian.
Kinda disappointed that they didn't make him look more asian in the Rome 2.
Apparently they came to Europe after being forced out by a collection of tribes, one of them will later name their king or military leader a Khan.
So definitely Finnish.
>>960214
Attila isn't in Rome 2, he's in total war Attila...
And they look full blown chinese, the huns
>>960142
>I mean obviously they were Turkic
there's nothing obvious about this, they could well have been Urailic like the Magyars. In fact whatever race they started out as, by the time they entered Europe they were a multiracial tribal federation, Aetius resettled some Goths who had fought on the side of the Huns at Chalons.
>>960192
Yeah, investigated a little. They were like a semi-mongolic group. They had some features like the eyes or the stature, but shared some other with several groups. As I said, when they started the invasion at 370 and at later times they combined with german and eastern european federations, like the skulls show now; they are a mixture of asian and european races.
>>960357
>a multiracial tribal federation
This, so much this.
>>960142
If anything. This is a face of the proud Sarmatian man.
>>960142
well, they were from Mongolia, so they probably looked asian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
at least, when they started their conquests, by the time they got to Rome, they were basically germanized. Attila is a German name btw.
>>960429
>they were basically germanized. Attila is a German name btw.
Here we go again with pangermanism.
Jesus, Hannibal, Julius, Alexander were german too.
>>960429
We have no idea who they fucking are. Thats official.
As for the Xiongnu well thats because the Han-Xiongnu Wars forced a lot of Asiatic Tribesmen to move west to avoid being done in by the Chinese. But this doesnt mean they are the same people.
>>960438
Attila probably had mostly Asian blood, at least that's how the Romans described him.
>hort of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.
but the Western part of the Hunnic Empire, where he was from, was more German then Turkic. and Attila especially was a known germanboo, surrounding himself with goths and gepids, who he saw as his base of power.
>>960144
Hungarian here. Only /pol/-tier idiots (which is now pretty much more than half of this country) think ancient Hungarians are the direct descendants of Huns.
>>960181
Avars nor the Hungarians are not Iranian or Iranic at all.
Isn't the current prevailing theory something like spontaneous ethnogenesis formed of a loose confederation of steppe tribes that included Germanic, Mongol, Turkic, Slavic, and Finnic peoples?
>>960463
According to Priscus: Latin, Gothic, and Hunnic were the most common tongues and chief languages of Atilla's federation of tribes. But Atilla himself was also described as being "swarthy" with small eyes. So probably Mongoloid in appearance with some Caucasian admixture; after all Iranic tribes and Germanic ones had been mixing with the Huns for decades before Atilla's birth.
>>960441
well, we sort of do
the problem is that they came from all over Asia, so they don't follow a particular "type". this plays havoc with internet pseudoscholars' racial historiographies, who insist they read history through the racial lens.
The Huns were everything from all over Eurasia. They were Turkic, Mongolian, Chinese (various sorts), (proto-) Tibetans, Caucasian (the Caucasus ones, not the retarded "muh white caucasian" meme), Germans, Russians, etc etc.
>>960810
>Russians
That didn't exist up to 14th century.
>>960463
>>960810
There's also the fact that certain classes, while they might have adopted foreign culture, did not necessarily outmarry as much as common soldiers. So even if the common Hun was quite mixed, that may not have applied to certain clans except for those who out married to form political alliances. But usually when you're the conqueror, you send one of your daughters to marry their first born son, and this usually doesn't apply to the line of succession.
>>960394
>asians
>actually having a nose bridge
definitely white
>>960463
Sounds Asian to me. I can imagine Europeans when first seeing east Asians would be quite confused by their appearance.
>>960463
>Atilla is a Germanboo
>His Empire fell the moment he died
>The Seljuks/Ottomans were Byzanboos
>Lasted centuries
Snowniggers BTFO
>>960142
Where's the evidence they were Turkic?
>>963400
The only hunnic words we know are all Turkic, and their names are Turkic, some of their cultural practices are Turkic too.
>>963419
The only Hunnic words recorded are strava, medos, and kamos, which all look Indo-European.
>>960142
>I mean obviously they were Turkic
The only know words from their language which aren't personal names are definitely Satem Indoeuropean.
>>960142
They were clearly Atlantean ubermenschen
>>963446
>strava
Sounds like "strawa" aka food in Polish desu
Are modern greeks just fat stinking turks?
It's not reAlly known but I'm a fan of the Str8 Outta Mongolia theory.
>>963703
The question you should be asking is, "are modern western Europeans descendants of Indo-Europeans, or stone age farmers?"
This map will answer you this question.
Is it true that before the Huns came along, the Goths ruled the Pontic Steppe all the way to Urals?
>>963368
Sarmatians are Caucasians so its not fucking surprising.
>Khazar khanate
>>960142
Huns were ugly fucks. They did not look remotely human when they first arrived. They were all bow-legged to varying degrees from a lifetime riding horses. They scarred themselves horrifically as well as shaped their skulls into a tall cone like shape
As far as their race goes, the original Huns came from well outside of Europe. I'd say they had some Asian features, but at the same time the Steppes are the origin of features like blue eyes. They could have looked like a cosmopolitan mix of everybody around them. So let's say they were a Steppe race... because labeling them as any particular modern race does them injustice.
Pic related, it's Hun's skull. For a couple centuries after their defeat and fall from power, Germanic tribesmen copied the style of skull shaping from the Huns. Funny enough, there is evidence of Germanic tribes already doing this before the Romans even met them. But it became prevalent after Hunnic contact.
Search "Turmschädel"
The only two legitimate theories are Mongolic and Turkic. However since the region of the Xiongnu had a proto-Turkic population, which was replaced by Mongolian, and one of Attila's sons names was Dengazik, which comes from Turkic, they were likely Turks. The ERE defeated the Huns in one final battle in 469 under the the Romanized Goth Anagastes, a general.
I'd like to add that ACTUAL Turkic peoples look mongoloid. modern day Turkey's population, its DNA, is southern european, near eastern, and caucasian. There is little ACTUAL Turkic Influence.
>>969539
>The only two legitimate theories are Mongolic and Turkic
[citation needed]
>>960142
Obliviously, an union of different tribes/nations. Even an ancient swastika might be understood as an symbol of the tribal union.
>>968682
>Huns were ugly fucks.
No, because they did kidnap all beautiful lasses around for marriages.
>>960142
>>960142
Huns were Ancient Finns trying to go back home, but they couldn't find it anymore due to climatic change
Another Hungarian here.
Two things.
The Huns as we think of them were not one people. The original Huns from Asia came from somewhere in the greater Chinese/Mongolian region. The later "Huns" were a multi-ethnic force.
The Hungarians were a Finno-Ugric (read: white) group of people who mixed with Persians, Turks, Scythians, and other such groups on their way to Pannonia. We are culturally Finno-Ugric and Turanic (Turanic includes Mongolia, Persian, Turkey, some others). We're not a good example of Huns because we mixed more with other groups, and we're also Slavic in everything but name these days.
>>969974
>Persians in Pannonia
>>969974
Huns were with most confidence started off as Turkic, related to Siberian Bulgars and Chuvashees. Mongols never migrated as west this time. They were closer to Manchuria and Korea than Central Asia
>>970079
Huns are far too early to be Turkic. They may have been Altaic (pre-Turkic) but they were probably Urailic like the Magyars, possibly even Indo-European like the Tocharians (tho probably not).
>>969872
looks like an ukie cossack
>>970817
I mean Oghur branch of Turkic along with Onogur and Bulgar.
>>971687
http://youtu.be/EWQMQfdWJaM
They spoke a language similar to this
>>966607
>Sarmatians are Caucasians
You mean Iranic.
>>971807
Yes, Iranians/Iranics are Caucasians.
>>966627
Is there a message to that image other than memes?
>>973636
>Caucasians as in people from the fucking Caucasus, not the American term for "white people".
No you are wrong on both levels. Caucasian is a term for Caucasian people, which means neither white people nor people from the Caucus in this context. Caucasians are the Green on this map.
Of course its all outdated racialism but its only outdated because its not politically correct.
>>969974
There were no such thing as "Original Huns." Huns were the Huns whoever they were.
The Xiongnu that the Chinese fought were called "Huns" by a pack of autistic 19th Century European scholars who love to tie vaguely related shit to each other. These are the same people who called everyone in Central Asia "Tartars" and the Mongol/Nomadic bit of Qing China "Chinese Tartary."
>>973726
The Xiongnu/Hunnu confederation were ruled by Yenesian speakers with proto Turkic/Mongolic subjects.
Huns were ruled by Turkic speakers with Indo European subjects.
>>963446
>>963696
Strava was a wake after a deceased leader, so it's possible to draw some parallels.
Medos was mead. Kamos was a drink made from barley.
Obviously those names seem distinctly satemic Indo-European. An obvious candidate would be Slavic, but Iranic languages are satemic as well.
Then there's the distinct possibility that it was just Priscus' informant who spoke this language and used terms from it, and that the Huns themselves called those things by different names.
>>973697
>Of course its all outdated racialism but its only outdated because its not politically correct.
It's also not scientifically correct. The entire reason why the name "Caucasian" was assumed is because in XIXth century orientalizing poets and painters brought to Europe the notion that Circassian women were most beautiful in the world, as evidenced by the high prices on Ottoman slave markets. Based on this, they assumed that the Caucasian peoples represent the untainted ideal of the White race, and that all Whites descend from them.
So yeah, pure unadulterated bullshit even if you're from /pol/ because it'd mean you'd have to consider Chechens the epitome of Aryan race.
>>974139
>The Xiongnu/Hunnu confederation were ruled by Yenesian speakers with proto Turkic/Mongolic subjects.
This is bullshit, we don't even KNOW what they fucking called themselves.
Everything, Xiongnu, the names of their leaders, the titles they held, all were from Chinese sources and bore Chinese names.
That "Hunnu" bullshit is pretty much the Mongolians trying to say the name "Xiongnu" in their tongue.
>>974928
Xonai(Xiongnu?)Honna(Chinese)/Huna(Sanskrit)/Khonai(Greek)/Onna(Baktrian Greek)/Xwn(Sogdian) all refer to the same Xiongnu steppe polity/successor states.
Steppe polities were multi ethnic,I find no reason to doubt the original Xiongnu confederation had Yenesian rulers while their subjects were Oghur Turkic or Iranic speaking.
The Ashina clan was of non Oghur Turkic origin(Saka?) yet they ruled the Gokturks.
