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How was Latin replaced by Italian in the Italian peninsula?
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How was Latin replaced by Italian in the Italian peninsula?
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>>957768
Because Italian is just Latin after a few hundred years.
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Language evolves and shit. Especially among the common people. Multiple dialects existed in Italy up until Italian was standardized in the 1800s.
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>>957773
>Because

The question is "how", not "why".
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>>957768
The breakup of the Roman Empire and Italy being controlled by various city states each with their own systems and cultures. Imagine how much the English language would deviate in America if different regions like the South became their own independent countries. Similar to >>957777
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The real question here is who in the world has such a kind soul as to be both a historiantard AND a waifuist.
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>>957816
Anyone noble naturally likes history, and has a yearning for reunification with his anima/her animus.
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>>957816
You would be surprised...
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>>957816
Where do you think we are.
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Reminder that weebs are subhuman and all genuinely deserve to die
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>>957788
Language evolves
English don't speak middle English anymore
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>>957816
>not having a historical waifu
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>>957839
says the weeb hanging out on the weebest site in the western world for weebs to hang out
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>>957856
Back to your weeb boards fag
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>>957859
never
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>>957859
>>957856
>>957839
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>>957886
This board isn't about weebshit so your picture doesn't apply
No this site isn't all weebshit and j00t does not apply either
Fuck off
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>>957902
>This board isn't about weebshit
correct. this entire website is about weebshit
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>>957909
No it isn't
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>>957768
Same way it always does, local dialects eventually become so unique and borrow some words from other languages eventually becoming so distinct as to become their own language. Indo-european was spoken only 7000 years ago and it spawned languages from India all the way to England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages
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>>957886
I say we welcome the normies and pollute their minds
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>>957928
>>>/a/
>>>/jp/
>>>/r9k/
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>>957821
>masturbating to little cartoon girls makes you noble
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>>957928
you think to be corrupting the normie, but in fact, it is the normie corrupting you.....
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>>957909
Honestly though there's like 5 boards dedicated to animu, yet you decide to shitpost it on a non-animu board solely because you're an attention whoring cunt who likes to be obnoxious.
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>>957940
You should improve your reading comprehension.
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Languages evolve and Latin was never popular to begin with.
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>>957928
anime is normie
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>>957968
do you think i'm OP or the guy posting the pics? i am neither. i'm just sick of 4chan losing it's unique culture.

>you're an attention whoring cunt who likes to be obnoxious.
that's exactly what i think of people poo-pooing anime. why even go on 4chan if you hate it. who's attentionwhoring and being obnoxious here? this guy >>957839. blatantly inflammatory and without substance. the very first post starting this shitshow was somebody bringing up the tangentially related nature of OP pic.
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>>957987
4chan is not an anime website. It might have started out as one, but the number of non-animu boards is now far greater than that of anime ones. Deal with it and stop avatarfagging with your loli shit.

You're likely even a tranny so kindly, >>>/lgbt/
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>>957987
>i'm just sick of 4chan losing it's unique culture.
anime isn't 4chan 'culture'. name one good meme that has come out of /a/ in the past 3 years
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>>957914
It is. /a/ is for weebs to discuss anime, /his/ is for weebs to discuss history.
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>>957995
>Deal with it and stop avatarfagging with your loli shit.
once again, i have not posted a single image save for the moot screencap ITT. i have never posted any avatar on 4chan, ever. but since you're legitimately too stupid to understand the simplest implication of the screencaps, you're probably too stupid to discuss history.

mfw mod checks my IP to see what posts i've made. and none of them are what this faggot accuses me of.
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>>958011
Tranny please.
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>>957987
>unique culture
It' already lost. There's a specific board on reddit for screen capping 4chan posts and their threads have crazy posts. I imagine people will get curious and go on here themselves. The only boards safe are specific interest boards like /out/ or cesspools like /pol/.
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>>958001
No it isn't
>>>/a/ fuck off weeb
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>>957987
>posting j00t
Again j00t is an irrelevant cuck
Nothing he says means anything
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>>957768
It wasn't. Latin was long gone by the time Italian came about.
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>>957768
After the collapse of the roman empire long after greek had already been adopted as their lingua franca the various previous territories all became isolated and in the italians case intermingled with other peoples (lombards, etc.) and the language become corrupted and sort of evolved into its own thing, known as italian.

On a lexical level, Italian, sardician and romanian are the closest to actual latin, while french and spanish are still pretty similar but far more corrupted.

Hope this helped.

:-)
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>>957816
literally me
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>>957816

>implying you can't explain waifuism with plato's theory of forms
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>>958149
please explain
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>>958191
>>958149
>>958109
Fuck off
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>>958195
No fuck you. I want to know how waifuism is explained by Plato's theory of forms. It's much higher level discourse than
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>>958191
http://philpapers.org/archive/sinPG
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>>957998
>board culture = memes
truly, this is how you can tell that 4chan has been lost.
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>>958207
Fuck off
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>>958211
>>958213
Fuck off >>>/a/
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>>957821
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>>958255
Meant for >>957816
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Why are people always so mean to animeposters, i don't get it

They're literally harmless and rarely shitpost if you disregard avatarfagging, but even so it's always nice to see threads filled with happy anime girls

Stop bullying them faggots
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>>958060
> Yes it is
> No it's not, and as you've seen in this thread this is why
> Yes it is
This is productive.
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First of all, Latin was and remained the European lingua franca and the priestly and the scholars' language.

Secondly, there always was a collection of "vulgar" languages that the commoners (and not only the commoners) spoke and wrote in, that retroactively were called dialects.

Dante Alighieri is credited with being the father of the Italian language, the fun starts with his De Vulgari Eloquentia, written between 1303 and 1305, the target audience being the intellectuals of his time, convincing them that there is poetic merit to be found in the vulgar language, and in particular the author was questing for a language that was illustrious, "pivotal", and worthy of being spoken @ a king's court, in a tribunal.

Of course his Divine Comedy showed it was possible.

The debate on whether the language of all the Italians should be a new "artificial Italian", or the Tuscanian language according to Florence, which Dante himself used, went on for centuries, with Alessandro Manzoni, one of those "tuscanists", arguing in 1868 that Dante didn't mean to propose a new language.
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they rearranged the letters and added another I and A
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>>958330
Italians continued to be divided linguistically even after the unification.

This artificial language Italians speak today is ultimately a compromise, only in part it is based on the Tuscan language.

If Italian was "just the Tuscan language", they would be pronouncing the 'c' letter as you pronounce the 'h' in English, and there would be no "Tuscan dialect."

Now for the most part, many youngsters today treat these "dialects" as indeed "Italian with an accent and a few weird words", and most of these languages are forgotten anyway.

The lie became true in the mind of the average Italian, by means of endless repetition.

The invention of the television was definitely instrumental in this process, as well as the process of defeating illiteracy.

The Italian constitution says Italy is one and individisible, it's only natural that the education system and media would do everything in their power to make it possible, and mantain it, on every level, including language.

This is how the modern nation state operates.

They didn't do things this way in the ancient world.

They needed sufficiently modern education, media, literacy and communications to accomplish this.

As Massimo D'Azeglio put it: "We have made Italy. Now we must make Italians."
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>>957816
What if your waifu is /his/-related
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>>958352
A determined effort in the creation of this language begins with the founding of the Accademia della Crusca, which happened between 1570 and 1580, officially in 1585.

"La Crusca" published the earliest edition of a dictionary of the Italian language in 1612, the year immediately after the Tesoro de la lengua castellana o española, by Sebastián de Covarrubias.
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>>958352
>If Italian was "just the Tuscan language", they would be pronouncing the 'c' letter as you pronounce the 'h' in English, and there would be no "Tuscan dialect."

Actually it's the k, not the c.

Anyways, Dante already argued that the Tuscan dialect was the more suited as common language for the Italian people for a variety of reasons, but if I'm not mistaken his De Vulgari Eloquentia was lost by the XVIth century. It's mainly thanks to Bembo that by that time people settled for a particular part of florentine instead of venetian
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>>957816
THERE IS [NO] WAIFU
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>>958918
>Bembo
Worse than Marin Falier.
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>>957816
I'm going to marry Asuka!
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>>957768
me on the right
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>>958360
My waifu>>>>>>>youre WAIFU
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>>958255
>Harem
Discarded.
Being a crusaderboo and a waifufag I thought that might have been a nice person.
Looks like i'm mistaken.
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>>959052
>>958360
This is now a historical waifu thread.
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>>959085
Kill yourself weeb
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>>959090
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>>959090
Wow.
Why is thereno Naginata cavalry in Shogun 2?
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Historical waifus, you say?
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>>957987

who?
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