Why didn't Spanish, French, or Portuguese become global languages like English?
>>940929
Because English people have all the money, if you want to make money on an international scale you have to speak English.
The business language is what dictates the world language.
>>940929
French was a "global language" for longer than English has been. That's why another name for "global language" is literally "lingua franca."
>Spanish and French
>not global languages
They're spoken on every continent, what more do you want?
>>940929
NATO occupation of Europe, US won Cold war
>>940988
not if you count Australia o.o
>>941004
>The Spanish explorer Alonso de Salazar landed in the Marshall Islands in 1529. They were named by Krusenstern, after English explorer John Marshall, who visited them together with Thomas Gilbert in 1788, en route from Botany Bay to Canton (two ships of the First Fleet). The Marshall Islands were claimed by Spain in 1874.
>French Catholic missionaries arrived on Tahiti in 1834; their expulsion in 1836 caused France to send a gunboat in 1838. In 1842, Tahiti and Tahuata were declared a French protectorate, to allow Catholic missionaries to work undisturbed. The capital of Papeetē was founded in 1843. In 1880, France annexed Tahiti, changing the status from that of a protectorate to that of a colony.[86]
>>941004
>o.o
Fuck off.
>>941029
I was thinking more of New Caledonia than Tahiti but yeah.
The US also stole almost all of Spain's possessions in the Pacific so even if there are no Spanish speakers left from the colonial era there are bound to be Spanish speakers coming in from post-White America at least.
>>940929
britbongs got to the industrial revolution first
>>940988
>They're spoken on every continent
If this is the criteria, then Portuguese is more global than Spanish.
>>940929
There are more spanish speakers than english. But the real reason is that for the past 400ish years the entire world has been dominated by english speaking nations
>>941710
past 200ish years*
>>941718
300ish
>>941741
70ish
>>940929
USA
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>>941710
Are you from the future?
>>940969
Dumbass. Lingua Franca is "Frankish Language," referring to a general group of Europeans including Anglos.
>Hola, ¡yo wanto un taco, please-o!
>T-they're cognates, right??
French is a global language and was the European lingua franca for far longer than English.
>>940929
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Britannica
>100 years of British hegemony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Americana
>100 years of American hegemony
It's very possible that French could have become the world's lingua franca if France had won the Napoleonic wars.
>>940929
They did you imbecile. But global languages dont last forever.
>>940929
because the spanish empire totally shit the bed and squandered every bit of their unbelievable potential
>>942656
>French could have become the world's lingua franca
But it literally was, and had been since the Middle Ages, and it continued to be the lingua franca for another century throughout the "Pax Britannica".
>>940929
Spanish and French are global languages. Spanish more-so with it being basically the second language of the US.
So should I learn Mandarin or Cantonese? Which will be the next global language? China is colonizing Africa btw so that will put a dent into English and Portuguese in Africa.
>>940969
Lingua Franca doesn't mean French. It was a Latin based Pidgin that was called "Lingua Franca" because all Catholic Europeans were called Franks by the Byzantines.
>>942061
Yep, East Timor and the Phillipines.
>>942739
Mandarin.
Cantonese is only useful for talking to people from Hong-Kong who generally speak English as well anyway. It's the mainlanders you've got to impress.
>>942656
British people really think the "Pax Britannica" happened...
>>940929
Because america is an actually successful country.
>>942780
Hence why Spanish is a global language.
french is spoken by the nobility
then the bourgeois took over and they embraced english, since the bourgeois are all about leisure, contrary to nobility.
>>942746
The Philippines doesn't speak Spanish. Nor is it a part of Oceania. Don't let the fucking Spic names fool you.
>>942806
But they do, and it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines
Oceania by virtue of being a made-up continent is subject to varying definitions, one of which includes the Philippines.
>>942812
>Optional Languages.
M8 I live in the Philippines.
We don't. Just because we use Spanish words for shit that weren't around during our pre-colonial days doesn't mean we speak Spanish.
Hell those Spanish words in Philippine languages are in the process of moving away from their Spanish meanings to begin with.
Don't let the "Optional Language" fool you. The most primarily utilized foreign lingo here is English. Then a huge gap, followed by fucking Hokkien in second place, then Mandarin, another huge gap, and at the fourth place is Spanish, consisting of, I dunno, 0.1% of the Flip population?
>>942823
I'm not saying it's the main language, just that it's a language. One that has some official recognition.
>>942829
It's official status was due to the constitution was written by people who grew up raised by people who did live under Spain a few years before it was sent packing. Cunts thought Spicspeak would survive.
They didn't take into account the active dehispanification by the Nationalists and the Americans. Now virtually nobody uses it. Including the government unless you happen to work in a Spanish/Lat-Am Embassy.
>>941004
AUSTRALIA ISN'T A CONTINENT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Why isn't Lojban a global language?
>>940929
But they are, just look at the fucking map you posted?
English is dominating today because of pop-culture and business, but this hasn't been like this for long. We literally have no idea what will the situation be in 100 years, mandarin or german could be a dominant language.
>>942823
I know some Filipino girls, they taught me a few tagalog words and it was an incredibly shitty language.
>>942868
>mandarin or german
ha, no
germany is going to fade into obscurity and china is going to explode soonish
>>942879
>china is going to explode soonish
So even greater usage of Mandarin?
Because China Balkanizing always meant Chinese immigrants and Chinese immigrants always meant "people who will make enclaves in your country," and those always meant "Chinese speakers."
Only this time it wont just be southern Chinese speakers like it was in 1800's/Early 1900's, now Mando cunts will join them.
>>942656
>Pax Britannica
>Crimean war
>war between France and Prussia, Prussia and Denmark, etc...
why would you even want countless and completely different peoples to speak your language? it makes it that much more less genuine and stuff, eww
>>946366
>fuck these savages speaking their language. Too hard to understand they should assimilate to our language to ease of communication.
>Uhh now the uniqueness is gone and the specialness omg!! Uh their version sounds so weird it's like ear rape.
There's no winning this
Pretty surprised that /his/ doesn't know Easter Island is in Oceania and speaks Spanish.
>>942656
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Britannica
Lolno
French was still the lingua franca during all the 19th century and half of the 20th one
Ruling over backward shitholes doesnt make you relevant
English took over French after WW2 thank to the US and their utter cultural domination over the Western world (which happened to begin at the same time as easily avaible mass media were birthed)
>>942782
The united states is the second most populous spanish speaking country in the world. In some areas there are 5 or 6 spanish language channels on the tv, and several spanish language radio stations which range from music, to politics
>>942835
And that's why most of you can't read your pre 1960s literature
>>942870
They're probably doing it wrong then, the number of "native" Filipinos who can't even speak it right is staggering it's not even funny. The valley girl equivalent of Tagalog is atrocious.
It is an admittedly weird-sounding language, being an Asian language with the intonation of Spanish. It certainly feels more refined than the "sharp" sound of Bahasa.
t. expat in Manila
>>942858
not everyone have autism
WWII.
>>940929
England prospered after the thirty years war while Spain staggered and continued to loose power and influence down into the 19th century.
Also the other empires didn't establish themselves as well on an global scale.
Spanish and Arabic are still widely prominent in the regions that they are spoken in.
Not to mention that Spanish is somewhat intelligible with Portuguese which makes for a large dialect continuum.
>>947294
>And that's why most of you can't read your pre 1960s literature
>What is"nationalists + Americans spending the 1900's-1960's translating everything into English/Local."
Sides the switch to English is a godsend. Had we stuck to Spanish we'd be facing a harder time working in a globalized world.
>>940929
hard as fuck to teach and learn since all have latin roots - the language of the cultured and wise
unlike the english whose roots come from savage nomads and therefore it's easier to learn since it was made up by simple minded buffons
>>942739
sure, if you are a stupid meme following sheep
seriously, there are people all over the place learning mandarin because they saw on fasebuke that it's the most spoken language in the world
well, what i have to tell you is, good luck with that; you'll need it once you go work on rice fields which is where like 95% of the mandarin speaking people are.
>>948609
Latin/Romance language group is probably the easiest too learn and most regular of all language groups.
>>944571
The whole point is that nobody really dominated anybody else meaning that the status quo was sustained.
>>948609
The English conquered the world and an English break-off is the most powerful country to have ever existed. The culture from England and its child countries have displaced the busted old traditions of Rome and its successor states, which shows the superiority of said culture.
>>948806
>riding on America's coattails this hard
Too bad American culture is more French and German than English.
here in Portugal, not so long ago french was the lingua franca, the one you learn at school other than portuguese.
>>942061
>Australia isn't a continent
Retard
>>941004
>o.o
fuck off to facebook/reddit/tumblr
>>940929
Because they speak English in the USA
>>948806
>The English conquered the world
more like "british" than english
>>949759
the english conquered britain :^)
>>940929
spanish is very global, also more people speak chinese than english faggot
Why does every thread regarding the British/English result in French shitposters?
Are they actually that fucking mad after all these years?
>>948806
England is a successor state of France, itself a successor state of Rome
Therefore England is a successor state of Rome as well
Britain was never relevant
Brits are an ugly inbred people
Nan mais serieux, ras le cul des rosbifs
>>942061
>>942746
Portuguese actually holds an advantage with East Timor, since they're pushing hard to make it their lingua franca again:
>"Since independence, both Indonesian and Tetum have lost ground as mediums of instruction, while Portuguese has increased: in 2001 only 8.4% of primary school and 6.8% of secondary school students attended a Portuguese-medium school; by 2005 this had increased to 81.6% for primary and 46.3% for secondary schools".
>spanish is spoken in the entirety of south america and south west of north america
>french is spoken in frances in frances old african colonies and still somehow survived in Quebec against the hanglish scum dogs
>Portuguese
lol who cares
>>940929
They are global languages.
English is just the official language of business because of GB and then the United States.
>>955833
Culture of roast beef?
>In March 2006, President Chirac briefly walked out of an EU summit after Ernest-Antoine Seilliere began addressing the summit in English.
>French cucks are still mad that no one else wants to speak their shitty language
Spanish is the Arabic of the Americas: it's spoken by many people over a very spread out area and it's sort of relevant and a regional lingua franca, and people who want to be more "inclusive" seek to learn it on their respective continents.
Portuguese is the Hindi of the Americas: a shit ton of people speak it but nobody outside of the countries that speak it is trying to learn it unless they really, really care about the country or are trying to cash in if it does become developed.
French is how English would have ended up if it had failed to catch on.
>>957215
>not just picking English
>>957468
>because of GB
lol no
>>958810
>and then the United States
>>958777
>French is how English would have ended up if it had failed to catch on.
More like French is how English was like before the US became a superpower (aka only relevant in [former] colonial possessions)
>>942739
I'm putting my money on things going the other way. China is a bubble that is bursting. You want to be ahead of the curve, learn Swahili.
>>941710
>There are more spanish speakers than english.
No.
Enlish is the most spoken language in the world. Spanish and Mandarin have more native speakers, but English is spoken more overall.
>>942739
What is your field of study?
>>940929
Because the hegemon of the first real period of globalization speaks english. That's really all it's about.
>>940929
French was the 'global' language till the 50's then english took over and for one reason: the masses.
French's widespread use was limited to and exclusive to the richest classes and nobility. It was a hard language to speak (and i mean properly so a native could even be impressed) which was one of the ways to social elevation.
English however was a language spread by the arrival ofmass medias and the financial world. The international version is easy to learn and gives you access to foreign markets, not to say you can also freely travel to the richest countries.
In the end, French still hasn't changed, it's for the diplomatic world, the cultural elite and now lies in the shadows of English, which is adressed to the masses.
>>959343
>The international version is easy to learn
It has really nothing to do with difficulty but everything to do with pop culture and mass media
In the 50 years following WW2, the US spread their language to all the civilized world using their domination over music (started with Rock N Roll, continued with many other types), movies (hollywood) and more recently, the internet
>The primary language of the US, the largest developed nation and media juggernaut, is English.
>The lingua franca of India, with over a billion people and a major producer of mass media in its own right, is English.
>The sole official language of Nigeria, the most populous country in Africa and most prominent media producer by far, is English.
>English is spreading through Sub-Saharan Africa at such a quick pace that some governments are trying to clamp down on it to protect local languages.
>English has the most number of countries where it's an official language in the world.
That's why. I think it's locked in really, internet and international communications standards have really cemented it. Nothing's growing as fast, or is as nearly widespread.
>>941004
>what is New Caledonia
Just learn Esperanto tbhosti
>>959617
You could reduce all these points to the first one
English is relevant only because of it's statut in developped nations, and this statut is due to the US
India and Nigeria could speak Swedish, it would change nothing
>>961567
>American education
The reason English is relevant is that Anglophone nations, particularly the US, are economic and political powerhourses.
The reason English is GLOBAL, is that the Brits took it upon themselves to make everyone speak it.
Nobody learned English just to talk to Americans, they learn it to talk to foreigners because English is the most widespread language. Nowadays, they learn it for the Internet and all the media produced in English.
>>959084
Why would China pop?
>>961713
>missing the joke
>>940929
because the english didn't miscegenate into a 3rd world hell hole
>>961703
You're just deluded
Before the US became a superpower, English was irrelevant as shit, no matter how many third world shitholes Britain ruled over
Ever wondered why in 1914, German diplomats addressed British ones....in French ("chiffon de papier")?
Because it was the lingua franca until America made English replace it after WW2
>>940929
>Spanish in all of NY State
>Spanish in Illinois/Chicago
>Spanish that far north in California
>Italian in Africa
are you just retarded or something
>>940929
French loses ground to german, portuguese lose ground to spanish.
Therefore, spanish is the only global language of europe appart from english
>>962284
>French loses ground to german
It really doesnt
>portuguese lose ground to spanish.
Are you somehow implying that Potuguese ever was more relevant than Spanish?
>>962289
In many aspects ranging from economics to cultural, Germany has the upper hand over France.
>Braj Kachru distinguishes countries where English is spoken with a three circles model.
My sides. Who is Braj Kachru? Is he English?
>>962293
Only economically, and it really doesnt mean much when it comes to language relevance
Look at actual datas instead of trying to deduce stuff from GDP list
German is relevant in irrelevant countries (Swede, Poland, Denmark...)
French is relevant in relevant ones (Britain, Germany, Italy...)
>>940929
But French is a global language because English is spoken globally.
>>940929
Africa in French shouldn't be underestimated. I was went to represent my country to a "one person from each country" gathering in Japan among accomplished students of Japanese.
The only people present were from developing countries (i.e.: no US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Western or Northern Europe)
Linguae Francae among everyone were English and Japanese, which everyone present was at least conversational at.
Aside from those, the two languages that got a lot of use were Spanish (by a wide margin due to all the continental Latin American countries except Ecuador being represented, plus learners of Spanish, which were surprisingly numerous at around 4) and French (ditto for Africans. Surprisingly, less people learned French among the representatives of not-Francophonie countries.)
Only the Brazilian guy spoke Portuguese (though there were no Angolan nor Mozambique representatives for some reason, and Portugal wouldn't have been out of place despite the "developing" moniker, all things considered)
Aside from that, other languages that were useful were Russian (Russia, Belorussian, Ukraine and Kazakhstan), Turkish (Turkey and Azerbaijan) and Chinese (Singapore and, although China and Taiwan weren't present, the Malaysian and Indonesian representatives were Chinese). Technically, Hindustani, Arabic, Persian and Swahili should have had some use, but I never noticed any interaction between the relevant countries' representatives.
>>962457
Nice and subtle.
