>The only surviving Roman scutum shield.
Pretty ornate compared to what we see in modern reproductions. Also swastikas.
As it was found. The site in Syria was destroyed by ISIS.
>>929366
I'm guessing there was a metal boss or something where that hole is?
Also, how much uniformity in equipment/decoration was there that we're aware of? I've seen helmets with little metal ornamentations that the owner would have gotten custom made at heavy expense.
>>929473
I sure didn't read that second image
>>929476
It only mentions the boss for the wooden shield
How come we never found those in Europe?
>>929484
Wood hardly survives in that environment
>>929484
It was left in a desert area where it didn't degrade.
>>929484
Wood rots. This one only survived because it was in the desert, in a Roman city that was buried in 257 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dura-Europos
>>929366
As a full shield, kind of. Another was found in Egypt, but its debatable on whether its Roman or not.
However, we have found lots and lots of the Bronze rims from around shields as well as the central boss. With these we can reconstruct the shape very easily, since we have the center and the borders.
>>929473
The truth is we can't really know.
Given the Romans high levels of organisation, we could assume that each legion, perhaps each Cohort, had its own shield pattern shared among every legionary in that legion or cohort. This would be similar to how each regiment in the 19th century had the same uniform.
However its entirely possible that every man painted whatever the hell he wanted on his shield. I doubt this for Marian legionaries, but certainly early Romans almost definitely had individual shield patterns per person.
>>929536
Are there any preserved dick shields?
>>929623
What about a dick boss?
>>929623
there is penis graffiti all over pompeii
>>929491
Just like the empire.
>>929536
Judging from the Notitia Dignitatum each unit had its own designs.
>>929623
Romans drew and sculpted dicks everywhere.
I was taught it was all fertility symbols but I think they just liked knobs.
>>929785
The whore house in Pompeii is the funniest place, I liked the painting of a guy ramming a prostitute doggy style.
>>929497
>After being severely looted by the Islamic State in the ongoing Syrian Civil War, it was demolished by ISIS.[4]
This is honestly the worst thing that has come out of that band of degenerates, the wanton and deliberate destruction of ancient history and culture.
>>929852
Hopefully there is enough information to build replicas so future generations can at least see what it looked like.
Not like the place is getting any tourism this generation.
>>929852
I know this is /his/ and all, but you can't be serious.
>>929909
Why not?
>>929909
>Valuing people you don't know over precious historical objects
>>929366
>swastikas
that's hot
>>929491
Have you seen British women? Your wood wouldnt survive either.
>>929837
People still draw dicks everywhere
>>930039
Exactly
>>929909
You can always pump out another few thousand Syrian people. You can't restore irreplaceable historical artifacts. You must be on the wrong board Anon.
>>929837
This was considered a classy thing to have in your garden.
>>930087
>You can always pump out another few thousand Syrian people.
What is history but the story of people
>>930108
People come and go, but the shit they leave behind is forever.
>>930114
They'll leave a lot less behind if they all get killed.
Why were romans so obsessed with cawks?
>>930115
They're all gonna die at some point anyways. Artifacts from the earliest civilizations will be of far more use to society in a few centuries than a bunch of shitty townspeople who did little but have religious squabbles in the desert.
When Syrian refugees start making wonders of art and architecture to rival what's being destroyed, give me a call.
>>930115
You think that the people who have died in the Syrian War were going to produce something as significant as Palmyra or Dura Europos? Don't kid yourself. I don't want to sound edgy, but you have to try and look at this with a sense of scale. Palmyra took on the city of Rome, has lasted for millenia, is mentioned in the Old Testament. Syria contributed more under the shitty Seleucids than it has done in the past century.
>>930149
I agree, m8. White power, amirite?!
>>930137
They weren't, more than any of us. Humanity as a species is made to have sex, of course dicks and vajayjays are gonna be on our minds all the time. The Romans had more lax social norms and were generally more about embracing your inner natural sexuality which is why they are considered so hedonistic
Every other culture (including ours) just does that stuff in private on the dl
>American Conservatives say sex has lost meaning and is so casual nowadays, not like in the good old days
literally laughing my ass off at how bad we Americans are at History, I apologize on our behalf
>>930153
>he supports ISIS
>>930137
Because they weren't under the illusion that sex was something to be ashamed of.
Not trying to be fedora but Christianity had a lot to do with sexual repression throughout history.
>>930153
You're a faggot
Just to add another voice to the crapchoir:
Palmyra and similar archeological sites are worth more to me than the entirety of the world's muslim and/or arab population.
>>929366
what do you think is the dollar value of that piece? pretty well irreplaceable. even insuring such a thing must cost a large sum.
>>930153
Back to the cuckshed sven
>>930179
Surviving roman bronze armor sells at auction for millions more than its actually valued, so whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
Shield is owned by Yale University I think.
>>930171
This.
Destroying completely irreplacable historical artifacts is inexcusable. Not only are you hurting the now, but also the future.
>>930171
>>930149
These
>>930163
Yeah but if you repress sexuality you can focus on shit that matters, like surviving winter or writing your novel.
Or you can cum. You know what, just focus on cumming. We men will just keep society running.
>>930349
The same men who made the greatest empire in history that all successive nations tried to emulate, were also the same men fascinated with drawing/sculpting cocks on everything, as shown here >>929837
These men also spent their days shitposting (sometimes literally) on the walls of buildings as shown here: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm
So, taking all that on board, tell me if you think repressing sexuality is worth it now.
>>930087
>irreplaceable historical artifacts
Archaeology: the study of ancient trash
>>930539
Imagine what a jackpot our landfills will be to future archeologists.
>>930629
I don't think we'll need archaeologists for our age. We have so much information on the net, and most of it protected from decay via backups and backups of backups, that they'll probably just have to dig through future-google rather than real-world trash.
>>930539
I'm not talking about artifacts like pieces of toilet paper from Oxyrhynchus, i'm talking about Palmyra.
>>930158
>Humanity as a species is made to have sex,
this is what hedonists believe
>>930488
>>So, taking all that on board, tell me if you think repressing sexuality is worth it now.
living through your ''sexuality'' is the most pathetic that you can do
>>932361
They'll still have to make assumptions, and they'll get some of those wrong. It's kind a cliche of history, in the future they will know more than use about medicine, technology, astronomy, but we'll always know more about today.
>>930238
>Destroying completely irreplacable historical artifacts is inexcusable.
Yeah, ISIS should learn from the Romans and preserve history like they did with Carthage.
>>932682
I chuckled
>>932361
Yeah, good luck with that. Data is exceptionally fragile; one good round of EMPs and a few years of neglect (plus fires, looting, etc.) will see to most of our digitized shit, full stop, and even if that doesn't happen old content is constantly becoming more and more scarce because most people are perfectly happy to destroy their data and/or let it rot. Archaeologists hundreds or thousands of years from now (assuming that humanity is in any shape to navel gaze) will be digging through our garbage dumps and looking at the physical media that survived, same as always.
>>932735
Yeah, there's already shit tons of things on the net from the past 20 years that are gone forever.
![1459764973751[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vaB8NoL.jpg "1459764973751[1].jpg")
>>932755
I was recently reading through the prelude to Foundation by Azimov, he sort of explores this decay of information, and during the events of the novel people don't know that humans only existed on one planet initially, before colonizing the galaxies, for example.
nd each individual planet's history is largely forgotten, since with millions of them, nobody cares and when nobody checks for hundreds of years, data just gets corrupted and lost.
>>929818
But don't forget thats centuries later.
>>930143
>Shitty Seleucids
What did you just say barbaroi!?
>>932735
All its going to take is one really big solar flair for humanity to get its shit together and harden its electric/information grid. It might not require a giant, world-ending event, something small or intermediate-sized that might make having a non-hardened grid into a giant fucking hassle would be enough.
>>932791
An interesting point that Asimov made in Prelude is that the problem is not the lack of information available but the fact that there is such an overwhelming amount of it that trying to plug the whole damn thing into a single algorithm would require a colossal amount of effort, even by the standards of a Kardeshev type-III civilization. He makes the point that on Trantor alone there were nearly 800 distinct cultures, and even a single one would be far too difficult for Hari Seldon to calculate psycho-historically, much less an entire planet, and much less than a galaxy's worth of planets.
>>929366
why do you faggots post scutum shields all fucking day. every thread has one in it.
also I love that retarded lion
>>933228
>also I love that retarded lion
Romans were far from the only civilization that loves retarded lions
>>932791
THIS IS HOW IT ENDS. NOT WITH A BANG, BUT A REIGN-BOW TWEET.
>>930349
Yeah the Ancient Greeks were hedonistic fucktards, they were dumb as shit, didn't know anything about science or philosiphy, never achieved anything and couldn't even survive winters or write novels!
>>932809
Of course, but Rome was eminently conservative, although the army did change greatly over time I expect shit as basic as having your own individual legionary/auxiliary shield patterns would have been a pretty static thing.
>>933563
They were among the first peoples in history with actual "free time", because these were slave-owning societies so certain men didn't have to go about their day worrying about how they were going to put food on the table, because they had slaves to do that kind of stuff for them.
Like every other contemporary iron-age society dominated by slave-masters, they dedicated the bulk of their wealth towards building stupendously extravagant rape-palaces for themselves and their families. For the landed gentry, it meant always low-low prices at the market.
It's just that a tiny fraction of them had side hobbies or personal obsessions that having all that free time allowed them to indulge in. For the largest chunk of that tiny fraction of civilized Greeks, it meant joining a school and bickering with the students of other schools which didn't actually amount to much in the grand scheme of things.
A tiny select few accidentally invented western civilization
>>930137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw
>>933956
The caliphate was also a slave based society, but the intellectual achievements of arabs are non existent (the islamic golden age should really be called persian golden age).
>>930087
>You can always pump out another few thousand Syrian people.
Sure you can pump out some more Sunni Arabs but Yezidis and Assyrians are probably finished.
>>930158
>The Romans had more lax social norms
I highly doubt that
>>930137
I honestly think it's just a thing young males have always done.
My high school was covered in dick graffiti.School mostly stopped caring.
>>929852
>>929369
MOTHERFUCKER ISIS NIGGERS DESTROYING HISTORY FUCK OFF REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>936036
Taliban did some of this shit in Afghanistan too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
>>936014
What about the Japanese being completely blindsided by exclusively white Americans drawing such things on the Wii, too the point of investing embarrassing resources in censorship?
>>930008
>British women
You're right, even the hardest wood would rust quite quickly
>>929366
>swastika on the edges.
wew lads guess Hitler was right.
>>929536
>distinguishing between V and U
absolutely haram
>>929909
Look... Mass killings are a proud Tradition of the area for literaly at least as long as we have historical records. Those cultural artefacts ob the others Hand are lost forever
>>935952
>Persian
>Cunts from Spain, Egypt, the Levant.
Maybe we should call it the Greek Golden Age due to all those Greeks in Syria and the Levant?
The Moorish Golden age?
NO, I get it maybe the Halfbreed Moor/Visigoth Golden age? Fuck i'll get it correct next time-
Haha, no. Islam united all these cunts and the stability of the two Caliphates allowed for all those muh sciences to flourish. Given that it stopped the major fighting in the middle east between Romans and Persians. Ergo it is rightfully called Islamic Golden Age. Nobody calls it Arabic or based on a single ethnicity.
Not to mention most of the knowledge being based on was Greek works so fuck them Persians.
>>929909
Videos of the destruction of 3000 year old artefacts made me cringe more than the videos of beheadings desu
>>937769
And that "muslim enlightment" explains why when Persia fell, everywhere became a murderous shithole
>>938717
Funny how Persia and Eastern Rome were having a high time making the place a murderous shithole m8 :^) No need for Arabs or Islam.
>>929366
>swastikas
wat
>>940033
Gammadion is more proper name
>>930163
>Not trying to be fedora but Christianity had a lot to do with sexual repression throughout history.
Christian attitudes towards sexuality are shaped by Paul, who in a nutshell made the argument that mindless, uncritical hedonism is a spiritually hollow and unfulfilling existence. In other words, it seems common sense to us to say that only the most shallow individuals adopt this mindset of "get money, do drugs, bang bitches", and that the overwhelming majority of people do much better when they foster substantive relationships. But it wouldn't have been common sense to the Romans, it was a revelation that was only made possible due to the increasing affluence afforded to Greeks and Italians due to Pax Romana,
Of course people being people took the idea up to 11 and decided that its such a good truth that they should make it universal and punish anyone who disagrees.
>>935952
The intellectual achievements of 99% of Iron age cultures are also non-existent, as are the intellectual achievements of 99% of the classical Greeks and Romans. Racial provincialism is people taking credit for shit that they have no business taking credit for, and then scapegoating a minority in order to to justify why they weren't wealthier or more successful in life.
>>929837
Fun fact actually: Locations with dick drawings in Rome is where a pleb may find prostitutes.
>>941286
Pretty sure this is just a guess and has never been proven with any level of certainty.
Somebody please post more shield related stuff
Reminder that the people crying about artifacts being a bigger loss than people are the reason ISIS is in the right
>>942282
What? How does killing defenseless people ever put you in the right
>>942282
Fuck off.
>>942282
I'm not sure I understand your tenuous logic friend.
I thought the swastika was a Hindu thing. What did it mean to the Roman?
>>943152
I think they got it from the Samnites or Etruscans, almost certain it was Samnites though
>>943152
Pretty sure it's an Indo-European thing
>>942264
pavise shield is the best shield
>>930488
If you think the same men who were building the empire were creating graffiti of dicks you are terribly mistaken.
>>930153
Sweden, Yes!
>wooden shield
So the thing about steel adamantium plated diamond covered invincible shield of roman armies are myths?
>>943152
Indo-Europeans. It's why Nazis used it for symbolism, and now nobody can get over it.
>>943152
dude the swastika appears from China to the Basque country and even indians in North America
>>947313
>and now nobody can get over it.
yeah but in fairness the Nazis didn't use it like the rest of the Indo-European world, they put that shit all over everything which is why it's identified so closely with the Nazi regime.
While the Swastika probably is Indo-European in origin, I'm pretty sure it was the Jains that used it first.
>>947347
Its presence in China is largely due to Buddhists tho.
But don't quote me on that.
>>937860
same anon
>>944282
Some of the graffiti listed on that page is from soldiers who even name their Legion. While I admit that it's impossible to corroborate/verify, and likely not the case, by that same token we also have to entertain the possibility that it's true.
>>949234
Native Americans used it, so it's safe to assume multiple cultures originated it.
